Religious Travelers - When does Passover end in flight?

I'm going to be on a plane from California to Newark on April 6, departing at 3:55pm local time, which would be 6:55pm Newark time. At what point during the flight would you consider Passover to be over?

I wonder if the Kosher meal on that flight would be Kosher for Passover?

Chometz may be eaten on 4/6 after 8:46pm EWR time if a person is in NY

The difficulty will be knowing where you are exactly and that its after the time for comsuming chometz on the ground below you at that time.

The real question is if a person is flying East out of NY (to Europe) where hes going ahead in time when is it OK to eat chometz. Someone flying NY-SNA and flying out say at 6pm would end up not being able to eat chometz to alot after 8:46pm NY time since time will be going back as they fly West

for these type of questions its always best to consult your LOR (Local Orthodox Rabbi)

The OP's flight departs SNA at 6:55 pm EWR's time. It arrives in EWR at 12:06 am the next day (CO 386).

I find your suggestion that the OP consult an Orthodox Rabbi to be curious. An Orthodox person will not be traveling on an airplane during the chag.

The OP's flight departs SNA at 6:55 pm EWR's time. It arrives in EWR at 12:06 am the next day (CO 386).

I find your suggestion that the OP consult an Orthodox Rabbi to be curious. An Orthodox person will not be traveling on an airplane during the chag.

well Im Orthodox and I will be, and I wil be eating chometz on Tues morning 4/6.

I have a return TLV-PHL-BOS-EWR flight on Mon 4/5. I hold 1 day Yom Tov

I thought the OP was landing at 6:55pm I misread that. What they would need to do is figure out when its past the local time they are flying at at that time for eating chometz. Not an easy thing to do. If it was me Id simply wait till it was past 8:46pm and we were in the Eastern time zone. As DTW is in ETZ yet Shabbos starts and ends there almost an hour after NY

As for an LOR even if a person isnt religious I dont know of any LOR who wouldnt answer their question, cant imagine asking it to someone who doesnt even keep kosher a whole year.

where I grew up the Reform Temple not only had a Kiddush on Yom Kippur but it wasnt even kosher to boot

All Conservative congregations where I live observe Kashrut year round.

The Reform movement observes only one day of Yom Tov at both the beginning and end of the Passover holiday.

While kitchens at Reform synagogues may not be kosher, I have never seen a Kiddush performed on Yom Kippur or chametz served during Pesach at any of the ones with which I am acquainted.

Thanks for the comments. I'm not Orthodox, but I do try to follow the food restrictions more closely during Pesach. Even though the easier answer would be to get a Kosher for Passover meal and don't worry about the time, it made me wonder if anyone had ever developed a way to determine the exact moment when Passover ends while on a flight.

I remember reading that Ilan Ramon, before flying on the ill-fated shuttle mission, sought Halachic advice on when to observe Shabbat, whether 1) every 10 1/2 days (based on the Shuttle orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes), 2) once a week, based on Cape Canaveral time (the point from which he would leave the earth), 3) Houston time (which all the other astronauts use as "Official Shuttle Time" for daily activities, or 4) Jerusalem time.

Thanks for the comments. I'm not Orthodox, but I do try to follow the food restrictions more closely during Pesach. Even though the easier answer would be to get a Kosher for Passover meal and don't worry about the time, it made me wonder if anyone had ever developed a way to determine the exact moment when Passover ends while on a flight.

I remember reading that Ilan Ramon, before flying on the ill-fated shuttle mission, sought Halachic advice on when to observe Shabbat, whether 1) every 10 1/2 days (based on the Shuttle orbiting the Earth every 90 minutes), 2) once a week, based on Cape Canaveral time (the point from which he would leave the earth), 3) Houston time (which all the other astronauts use as "Official Shuttle Time" for daily activities, or 4) Jerusalem time.

I would be very surprised if the KSML meals served will be reg KSML and not Pesachdik meals for a few days after Passover ends. As it takes time to make them and then ship them out. I remember when TWA once served me a Passover meal out of DC and it was Dec :eek:

So the company doing the catering probably has had Passover meals for a few days now and wont switch back till they are all gone

I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6, but from Craz's Post #2, Kosher for Pesach ends ~90 minutes later--perhaps when it gets completely dark??
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.

I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6, but from Craz's Post #2, Kosher for Pesach ends ~90 minutes later--perhaps when it gets completely dark??
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.

Shabbat and other Jewish holidays end at nightfall, when three stars are visible. That is approximately 40 minutes after sunset.

Shabbat and other Jewish holidays end at nightfall, when three stars are visible. That is approximately 40 minutes after sunset.

I always look, but I wish I could see three stars from my Chicago downtown high-rise. ;) :D

I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6, but from Craz's Post #2, Kosher for Pesach ends ~90 minutes later--perhaps when it gets completely dark??
If the plane is on time, it should fly over Illinois about 9 PM CDT.

Theres 2 items yur missing; lets go with your 7:14pm (although its a few mins later) although that maybe Sundown when the Sabbath starts it doesnt end at that time but 60-72 mins later here in the US (18 mins in Israel). Then theres extra time added to that as most contracts where chometz (leavend products) were sold dont revert back for alittle while after the Holiday is over.

Thats why 8:46pm comes into play even thou 7:14pm is Sundown

I always look, but I wish I could see three stars from my Chicago downtown high-rise. ;) :D

You anyway aren't allowed to rely on seeing 3 stars, because the stars have to be medium size stars (which one can't really know what's considered big and what medium), so therefor we rely on the times given by our sages which (according to most poskim) is 60 minutes after sunset (and according to the rabeinu tam 72 min).

You anyway aren't allowed to rely on seeing 3 stars, because the stars have to be medium size stars (which one can't really know what's considered big and what medium), so therefor we rely on the times given by our sages which (according to most poskim) is 60 minutes after sunset (and according to the rabeinu tam 72 min).

Even that is not quite correct, as these times are for the equinox. Different times of year and different latitudes can make these times significantly longer.

I want to wish U all a Happy Passover. As a Gentile, I was always told that Jewish days begin & end at sunset, which I just googled & found 7:14 PM in New York for April 6

This gets in to another question. Sunset in the metro NY area varies by where you live. If you're out on the east end of Long Island, sunset begins earlier than say Newark New Jersey. The distance of 120 miles ;) will affect things by a few minutes. Several years ago, my Rabbi took exception with a candle lighting calendar my Brotherhood did becuase of this.

To offer my advice to the OPs original question, I'd wait till after sunset (from your departure city). By that time, it will be late into the evening at your arrival city.

Thanks for the comments - I've ordered a Kosher meal, which will almost certainly be KFP. Then if they serve warm cookies at the end of the flight (I got upgraded), I'll take them. Not a bad way to end the holiday.

Thanks for the comments - I've ordered a Kosher meal, which will almost certainly be KFP. Then if they serve warm cookies at the end of the flight (I got upgraded), I'll take them. Not a bad way to end the holiday.

Forgive me, but this whole thread is dedicated to

halachah of flying on Yomtov

when you can move from Pasedikhah food to regular kosher food

and we are ending the thread with the OP eating a treif cookie.
(yes, the good taste is the lard)

Am I missing something?

and we are ending the thread with the OP eating a treif cookie.
(yes, the good taste is the lard)

What makes you think that Continental Airlines serves cookies made with lard?

Hi - OP here. I thought I'd wrap this up by letting you know the outcome of yesterday's flight. The Kosher meal was KFP, which was good because it was definitely still Passover when they served the meal (approx 5pm PT/8pm ET). The sun was streaming in the window. The main course was the same as the way out (baked chicken, potatoes, and carrots). On what would have been the bread plate there was a second piece of cake (go figure). There was also a small fruit cup. The difference was that where my outbound flight had a smoked salmon appetizer, this one had (I'm not making this up) gefilte fish!! There were two slices with a side of horseradish! Kudos to the caterer for coming up with this idea, and yes, I did avoid the temptation to compare it to my grandmother's.

There were no cookies, which I would have ignored anyway, as I still had an ample supply of macaroons with me.

Thanks again for all your responses. I took the label from the package and scanned it. Do any of you know how to insert a picture (.jpg file) into one of these messages?

Forgive me, but this whole thread is dedicated to

halachah of flying on Yomtov

when you can move from Pasedikhah food to regular kosher food

and we are ending the thread with the OP eating a treif cookie.
(yes, the good taste is the lard)

Am I missing something?

Hey at least they didnt want to eat chometz when they shouldnt have

A better one and you cant make this stuff up, a friend who flew to TLV last Thurs (Chol Ha Moed) told me the person sitting in front of them ordered a Kosher meal but wanted bread instead of the matzah, and the person across the asile who had a treif meal didnt want the bread but matzah since it was Passover, Go figure, what a Tribe

Here's the label from the Kosher for Passover meal. CO SNA-EWR flight.

http://tarheelnj.zenfolio.com/img/v6/p888383237-4.jpg

Here's the label from the Kosher for Passover meal. CO SNA-EWR flight.



Thats the company uses all yr for their KSML meals. Id say for the next few weeks depending on demand that anyone requesting a KSML meal out of SNA will be getting what you got, and will continue to till the company doing the catering in SNA runs out of the Passover meals and starts using the reg meals again

Slightly late for the OP, but this (http://www.chaitables.com/chai_air_eng.php) website will give you the times for during your flight. Of course one should allow for a margin of error, especially as they don't have SNA. However, LAX is close enough.