Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Final approach - Blackberry & iPhone usage

Hey there,

just came from SFO in LH Economy Plus (row 26), was surprised to see full C with two pax being downgraded and several free seats in Y.

There was a German fellow sitting next to me, we basically slept the whole way, no food, almost no drinks. BUT at the very end of the flight he took his BB and iP out from his pocket, got online (!) and started browsing emails (blinking red LED in BB) and facebook (iP).

How would you react to that? Just checking if I'm not paranoid.

best from MUC SEN cafe
mf

I am not sure how I'd react but I wouldn't have a problem with anybody complaining about such a behavior to a FA.

Yes, it's against the law, so he should expect to get in trouble. Would I report him? Probably not.

On the other hand, we all know that the main reason for no electronic devices during take-off and landing is. It's about the attention of the passengers to whatever Flight Crew tell you to do in an emergency and not that devices do any harm to the aircraft performance.

So basically this guy rather put himself in danger than anybody else. The second I would start to complain is if whatever he used made any noises, etc. and therefor would annoy me or anybody else.

Just my 2 cents.

Sit back , relax and enjoy the ride.

How would you react to that? Just checking if I'm not paranoid.

ever been to south america or russia?! people dont even bother to turn them off, on approach you can hear text messages coming in left and right. as soon as the wheels touch ground there is always some pax getting up to get to the overhead bins while still taxiing...

quiet entertaining actually! :p

Just give it a try: Turn your VV on and search for other bluetooth devices during the flight. You will always find two or three devices turned on.

... allrightie, now I'm convinced that I'm too paranoid. Thx for all the posts. And yes, will run BT check next time :)

good night
mf

... in LH Economy Plus (row 26),


What is Economy Plus on LH?

..n LH Economy Plus (row 26)..
Maybe your sensors were not yet fully operational after such a painful ride? I'd have nightmares too :p .

What is Economy Plus on LH?

On the A346, row 26 is exit row with more leg space. Maybe that's his definition of Economy Plus.

On the A346, row 26 is exit row with more leg space. Maybe that's his definition of Economy Plus.

thank you. The only Economy Plus row on A346

mf

Witnessed BB use on a B6 flight last year (during both takeoff and landing) by the guy sitting next to me, always feel sorry for people who can't be 5 mins without their Crackberry. "Poor consultants" are my thought's when I'm leaving the plane and every second passenger ist pulling out his BB...

Witnessed even better: On a flight to DAM two years ago, a suit-wearing British a....le sitting on 2F (I was sitting on 2A and nobody between) took his phone out of his pocket and made a phone call during final approach and touch down.

Unfortunately we were both out of the sight of the FA's sitting in the galley - otherwise I would have made a sign to one of them. As it was clear weather and not a Cat III-approach, I didn't make any further action against that guy (like standing up or start screeming :rolleyes:).

But it was once again a proof that mobile phones are the best instrument for forgetting any behaviour (if existent).

Well, similar thing happened to me last week, on AF, CDG-WAW. This was before take off. Guy sitting next to me would just not switch his iPhone off (or put it in airplane mode), he just continued to SMS and email, just "hid" it whenever any FAs walked around.

I waited and waited but nothing so at the point where we were practically on the take off roll I asked him, politely if he would mind switching it off now? He said no problem and switched it off. BTW, for those claiming keeping phones on only gets in the way in the case of an emergency evacuation, well, we were at the Emergency Exit row ;)

..Unfortunately we were both out of the sight of the FA's sitting in the galley - otherwise I would have made a sign to one of them..
I had a con-sultant in the row in front of me who took a call upon enterting the runway for a ZRH-FRA - in full sight of the FA strapped into her jump seat. She called the cockpit and we aborted ... :eek: .

He got chided big time by the lady ... which did not stop him from taking another call when taxing back to the start ...

Too bad there's no keelhauling on these birds :o.

well, it is the law right now, but if this makes technically all sense, that is beyond me.

I just hope they will never install gsm basestations and allow voice telephony...

this is going to suck that much...

BUT at the very end of the flight he took his BB and iP out from his pocket, got online (!) and started browsing emails (blinking red LED in BB) and facebook (iP). Don't know about the iPhone but my BB will blink red if I have a reminder scheduled - even in flight mode. I can also browse e-mail, and I can look at my Facebook app while in flight mode. So, are you sure he went online?

ever been to south america or russia?! people dont even bother to turn them off, on approach you can hear text messages coming in left and right. as soon as the wheels touch ground there is always some pax getting up to get to the overhead bins while still taxiing...

quiet entertaining actually! :p

Indeed. Same in the Middle East actually. Once I saw a gentlemen run down the length of the cabin muttering to himself in Arabic, back to front on GF when landing in BAH from KWI. We hadn't been on the runway more than 5 seconds. Apparently he was offended by the presence of the girl next to him wearing a tank top. In many locales this would result in Skymarshals or similar taking immediate offensive action, but here the crew just shrugged it off.

As for cell phone usage - it is a virtual cacophony upon approach.

Can't share these observations from South America and never been to Russia so far (except of an overnight train from Kiev to Odessa which came from Moscow - in which I changed from a sleeping car to a "platzkartny" after my Russian compartment-mate made his third phonecall at 02:00 am).

Concerning the middle east - who wonders that *-partner Egyptair, Royal Jordanian and Emirates are among the first airlines supporting this cacophony mid-air. At least, Qatar airways is opposed (yet).

I know for a fact that plenty of airline captains and FOs (yes, also at LH) leave their cell phones on during t/o and landing. So why would you even bother?

I know for a fact that plenty of airline captains and FOs (yes, also at LH) leave their cell phones on during t/o and landing. So why would you even bother?

Unlike the passengers, they have the aircraft under control :idea:

Unlike the passengers, they have the aircraft under control :idea:

I guess it's safer when a pax takes a phone call during approach or t/o – as opposed to the flying pilot taking one. Same applies to texting. @:-)

I know for a fact that plenty of airline captains and FOs (yes, also at LH) leave their cell phones on during t/o and landing. So why would you even bother?
Because the FT catechism and rigorously upheld belief that the bus driver knows how the bus works is very, very far from convincing.

Cell phones do have high peak radiation and with their main antenna PLL detuned can easily interfere with all kind of radio equipment, including beacons. Sure it is really, really unlikely but so are all kind of grave aircraft incidents.

Because the FT catechism and rigorously upheld belief that the bus driver knows how the bus works is very, very far from convincing.

Cell phones do have high peak radiation and with their main antenna PLL detuned can easily interfere with all kind of radio equipment, including beacons. Sure it is really, really unlikely but so are all kind of grave aircraft incidents.

VERY well said ^

hey
good discussion!

Just heard a good story - two weeks ago EPWA was dead closed because of fog and wet snow which blocked ILS. My GF's relative was expecting business partner from Germany that day : "she called me from the aircraft, that they can not land because it's foggy and they will be heading to GDN".

Whoaaaaa
mf

.."she called me from the aircraft, that they can not land because it's foggy and they will be heading to GDN...
^

Add the famous last calls to the famous last photos gallery :D .