Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan - Using Alaska Mileage To Europe?

Has anyone every used Alaska miles to fly to Europe on partner airlines? I would like to fly from Vancouver, Victoria, or Seattle to Paris next year.

I know Alaska does not fly to Europe but many partner airlines do.

Just wondering what I can expect in terms of availability, approx number of miles required, other members experience?

Take a look at this chart (http://www.alaskaair.com/as/mileageplan/AwardsEurope.asp) and then call the Partners Desk.

I have found the best availability with AA and AF. Good luck and be flexible.

Last week I booked 2 tix to Rome on Air France connecting through Paris for next July. Availability was decent, but be flexible.

There's tons of availability on BA, especially flying out of Seattle, but if you use BA you have to pay their fuel surcharge, which might not make it worth it to you. On the other hand, if you're looking to fly business class BA's product is top notch (especially if you manage to land a seat in the upstairs part of their 747).

Other than BA, getting to Europe using miles can be tough because you can't mix and match partners. If you fly PDX or SEA to AMS, you can't fly from AMS to the rest of Europe on KLM... so unless you're flying a European carrier with a hub in Europe (AF, BA, KLM out of YVR), then your options can be rather limited. AA has lots of flights to LHR, but none to TXL, for example. If you're not flying to AMS DL/NW will more or less require you to fly to JFK or ATL to get to Europe (there are a few flights out of SLC, and I think a few more out of LAX).

Someone who went to a recent MVPG luncheon said that Alaska might be adding Icelandair as a partner... if we were able to redeem miles with them it would definitely make it easier to use miles to get to Europe. I haven't really heard anything about how far along things are with this, I guess that means it's not imminent. I guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

I will 2nd BA for availabilty, but fuel charges can add uip. AA is secound best and I just booked DL for PDX/AMS. Remeber to try all of the West Coast cities for the departure city (PDX,SFO,LAX) as AS will get you to any of them.

. If you fly PDX or SEA to AMS, you can't fly from AMS to the rest of Europe on KLM... so unless you're flying a European carrier with a hub in Europe (AF, BA, KLM out of YVR), then your options can be rather limited.

It looks to me, actually, like there are a fair number of ways to use AS to connect to a KL or AF flight, which IS allowed as a mix and match:

YVR (AF/KL)
YYC (KL)
SFO (AF)
LAX (AF/KL)
IAH (AF/KL)
ATL (KL)

I wonder how much slack the partner desk will cut on forced layovers, though- some of those won't work so awesome. I would guess connecting through SFO/LAX would work best (AS has the best frequencies there).

If you're not flying to AMS DL/NW will more or less require you to fly to JFK or ATL to get to Europe (there are a few flights out of SLC, and I think a few more out of LAX).

DL doesn't do Europe out of LAX (all their longhaul stuff is TPAC), and MSP and DTW have some non-AMS destinations (LHR, CDG from MSP and LHR, CDG, FRA from DTW).

The other possibility would be buy cheap flights in Europe to do your touring, and just hit the gateway for ingress/egress from Europe.

Remember that once you are in Europe connections can be pretty cheap. The AMS/MUC trip I just booked on LH was $131 all in RT.

I fly to Europe once a year or so, always business class on AS Miles. I have never had a problem (though I am always flexible with dates).

While BA has a superior product I refuse to pay surcharges so extreme on a flee ticket -- just feels wrong.

Air France flies non stop from Seattle and can get you wherever you need to go in Europe. Just call the partner desk -- they are the most helpful in the industry. And I agree with others posted -- Alaska is great about getting you to another airport (SFO, for example) no charge. I booked 2 business class tickets on Cathay this year to Asia -- absolutely no issues getting me to/from YVR/SFO in first class.

I've used AS miles for SEA-LHR-CAI-LHR-SEA and PDX-AMS-PDX on BA and DL, respectively. Both times in business class, which had good availability on my exact dates. Coach is harder to find on these routes. As others have said, BA how adds exhorbitant fuel surcharges (hundreds of dollars) which make them much less attractive than they used to be.

BA just started non-stop LAS-LHR last week. Usually lots of availability on brand new leisure routes like that. Worth a try connecting SEA-LAS on AS the LAS-LHR-ZZZ on BA. Good luck.

The last two years I've redeemed AS miles on Air France for Business Class tickets. In 2008 I flew LAX-LHR-CDG-EVN and in 2009 LAX-CDG-MUC. Both times it was important to have flexibility on my dates and the agents at the partners desk said it has gotten a little harder to get tickets lately due to some flights no longer existing, like my flight from LAX-LHR on Air France doesn't exist anymore.

They also offered to fly me to to Seattle or SFO on an AS flight to connect me with an international partner.

The only thing I use my AS miles for is BA F to Europe. There is almost always availability from one of the w/c gateways - LAX, SFO, SEA, PHX - without needing to be flexible on dates, whether you book a few days, weeks or months ahead of time - and if you are gold you can switch to a more convenient airport for free in the couple of weeks before departure as additional availability opens up.

Taxes/fees are ~$500 if your destination is UK, ~$350 if you connect on (due to the outrageous UK APD being waived if you are connecting).

BA J is only 20k less, and often has worse availability; not a good deal IMHO. I don't like the AF J ski-slop seats, but the food/wine is excellent. AA J hard product is even worse than AF unless you can find availability on a 777, when is is broadly similar. NW is similar to AF, except the food.

Mileage Plan fliers have a big advantage when it comes to BA: AA miles can't be used to redeem tickets on BA from the continental US. That means that there's relatively little competition for award seats (in comparison to other foreign carriers with alliance partners like AF, KLM, etc). AAdvantage folks can fly up to Canada or down to Mexico for BA award travel, which leaves SEA, LAX, SFO, LAS available for AS award flights.

On the other hand, people who redeem AA miles for BA flights don't pay the fuel surcharge. I'd pay the fuel surcharge for biz or first, but the surcharge adds up to a significant percentage of a coach ticket, which IMO makes it not at all worthwhile.

Mileage Plan fliers have a big advantage when it comes to BA: AA miles can't be used to redeem tickets on BA from the continental US. That means that there's relatively little competition for award seats (in comparison to other foreign carriers with alliance partners like AF, KLM, etc). AAdvantage folks can fly up to Canada or down to Mexico for BA award travel, which leaves SEA, LAX, SFO, LAS available for AS award flights.


That would make sense, but oddly enough I always find better avaiablity from YVR than SEA.

ok, so i'm not too smart on using air miles yet, but i just got my FIRST two award tickets for my teenage granddaughters with delta miles......itinerary is pdx/yvr/ams/fco on alaska/klm with a return from fco/atl/pdx on delta..........i now am trying to use my alaska miles to book the same itinerary and can get to fco with no problem, but can't book the return leg because it's delta...........is there any way around this or am i just going to be stuck purchasing a ticket with the necessary routing???......thanks........

ok, so i'm not too smart on using air miles yet, but i just got my FIRST two award tickets for my teenage granddaughters with delta miles......itinerary is pdx/yvr/ams/fco on alaska/klm with a return from fco/atl/pdx on delta..........i now am trying to use my alaska miles to book the same itinerary and can get to fco with no problem, but can't book the return leg because it's delta...........is there any way around this or am i just going to be stuck purchasing a ticket with the necessary routing???......thanks........

There is no way around this if you want the same itinerary as your granddaughters. You can't mix carriers on an Alaska award (except with Alaska or Horizon). So, it either has to be all on KLM/Alaska/Horizon or all Delta/Alaska/Horizon.

Can you book your entire trip on KLM or Delta and change theirs to match? Otherwise you have to fly separately or buy a ticket, but keep in mind you also cannot book one way awards on partner carriers.

since i already have the girls tickets, i'm sure i'd have a change fee applied.........also, i've checked the award reservations and find there is now no award seating available between fco and pdx...........sure seems strange to me that delta an book with two partners (alaska and klm) but alaska can book with only one.....they are all three partners and seems like what is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander!!....thanks for your fast response!!............

(Edit: composed and posted before I saw SEA-ORDFF's response.)

Unfortunately, Alaska Airlines does not [yet] allow you to combine airlines on a single award itinerary.

The exception is when redeeming international awards, AS will get you to the partner's international departure city--for example, if you are flying BA, AS will get you to SEA, SFO, LAX, PHX, YVR, or any other city BA flies out of. Because the itinerary you want includes multiple partners (KL and DL) as well as some domestic legs on a partner (ATL-PDX), you will not be able to match the award exactly.

ok, so i'm not too smart on using air miles yet, but i just got my FIRST two award tickets for my teenage granddaughters with delta miles......itinerary is pdx/yvr/ams/fco on alaska/klm with a return from fco/atl/pdx on delta..........i now am trying to use my alaska miles to book the same itinerary and can get to fco with no problem, but can't book the return leg because it's delta...........is there any way around this or am i just going to be stuck purchasing a ticket with the necessary routing???......thanks........

unfortunately your stuck, you can't do mixed bookings other than Alaska/Horizon to the gateway city of the partner. If you want to keep the existing bookings you are stuck buying your ticket.