Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer - Krisflyer New Award Redemption Charts for *A and Partners

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/krisflyer/news/latestnews/news_14.jsp

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/docs/krisflyer/latestnews/StarAlliance_Roundtrip_Dec09.pdf

Oh NOOOOO! They did it!:mad:

Oh NOOOOO! They did it!:mad:

Did what? Increase in mileage? Which part you are looking at?

One-way redemption for *A would be a good thing. It is only half the required mileage in the chart. It gives a lot more flexibility.

Did what? Increase in mileage? Which part you are looking at?

One-way redemption for *A would be a good thing. It is only half the required mileage in the chart. It gives a lot more flexibility.
Yes, but no o/w bookings on CO. I wonder why? Think that its just an omission?

Yes, but no o/w bookings on CO. I wonder why? Think that its just an omission?

I believe CO is not allowing one way awards. CO allows its own members to book One way, but they charge you roundtrip mileage anyways.

So the one-way awards on AI as well as SQ/MI itself were, in fact, a foretaste of changes to come.......

It's a good move -- OneWorld carriers such as AA have been ahead of this curve.

And still are in some respects: a one way award in F, from Europe to, say, India is 40,000 AAdvantage Miles against 70,000 KF miles. On Jet Airways or BA, too, as against LH or AI.

Still: no complaints from me. I like it.

I believe CO is not allowing one way awards. CO allows its own members to book One way, but they charge you roundtrip mileage anyways.

So no O/W's when booking through BD either?

The small print says no *A awards allowed in J or F on any of the good long haul routes, basically. (77W, 345, 380 routes)

The small print says no *A awards allowed in J or F on any of the good long haul routes, basically. (77W, 345, 380 routes)
We were all hoping that SQ would finally come down to planet earth and change that policy but so far, no luck. Seems like KrisFlyer is headed down the same path that Flying Blue took earlier this year!

The small print says no *A awards allowed in J or F on any of the good long haul routes, basically. (77W, 345, 380 routes)

Well, this change doesn't even deal with the way SQ allows redemptions from other *A programs on its metal: it only changes a KF member's ability to use KF miles for one-way awards on the other guys' metal. So the restrictions against other program's access to new SQ J and new SQ F aren't in play here.

What this means is you'll now be able to redeem KF miles one-way on, say, LH or LX, to bridge a Europe-to-Middle East gap in one of those SQ-only RTW tickets.

IIRC, BD already allows one-way awards from within its own program...just like SQ does. No?

For whatever reason, the *A chart have most of the North and South Pacific Islands missing (ie. Norfolk Island, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, Fiji, Niue, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, French Polynesia, Northern Miranas, Palau, Micronesia, Marshall Islands). The only one available is Guam and Hawaii. Please don't tell me that these are no longer redeemable.

When will they lower the Redemption Points for KF members flying SQ Metal?? I can only wait...or Move...

For whatever reason, the *A chart have most of the North and South Pacific Islands missing (ie. Norfolk Island, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, Fiji, Niue, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, French Polynesia, Northern Miranas, Palau, Micronesia, Marshall Islands). The only one available is Guam and Hawaii. Please don't tell me that these are no longer redeemable.

Perhaps they are free? :cool:

For whatever reason, the *A chart have most of the North and South Pacific Islands missing (ie. Norfolk Island, Vanuatu, New Caledonia, Fiji, Niue, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, French Polynesia, Northern Miranas, Palau, Micronesia, Marshall Islands). The only one available is Guam and Hawaii. Please don't tell me that these are no longer redeemable.

I'll betcha it's an omission. They rolled the old SW Pacific 1 and SW Pacific 2 together, included New Zealand, and then forgot to put in the other locations that used to show next to NZ in SW Pacific 2.

The small print says no *A awards allowed in J or F on any of the good long haul routes, basically. (77W, 345, 380 routes)

Let's wait and see if they allow saver awards in J on the 77W or A380.....

Let's wait and see if they allow saver awards in J on the 77W or A380.....
I'm not holding my breath!

I'll betcha it's an omission. They rolled the old SW Pacific 1 and SW Pacific 2 together, included New Zealand, and then forgot to put in the other locations that used to show next to NZ in SW Pacific 2.

What about Palau, Micronesia, Northern Mirianas and Marshall Islands? With CO joining *A these new exotic locations are available for redemption. Which zone would those be? Would it be in North Asia 2 given that there is where Guam is categorised?

SQ *A J Oz-NZ-SWP Awards is still the biggest bargain and keep the aussies happy (that is if they even know about this, most don't). Let's hope they keep it this way, especially Oz is one of their bigger markets.

One-way award is excellent, given for anyone living in major cities in Australia, with lowish KF balances such as 12.5K or 17.5K, that are about to expire, they can at least redeem 1 way NZ Y/J award from Oz to NZ, and then buy a el-cheapo ticket back to Oz. it would be a great way to try out NZ Business Premier (if offered on route)! Or even better, they can get 1 way Y/J Oz-NZ-Fiji (for example), then buy 1 way Fiji-Oz on say Pacific Blue/QF/VA.

Perhaps they are free? :cool:

I wouldn't mind, going to Pacific islands every weekend :)

I wouldn't mind, going to Pacific islands every weekend :)

Nor would I.

Is SQ still on track to have no 744s early next year? So basically at some point next year there will be no C/F long haul awards except for the few regional C/F....thats garbage at some point the other * carriers will have to do something about this.

Let's wait and see if they allow saver awards in J on the 77W or A380.....

If they would just do that for KF members first.. That'll be great... Unfortunately, not in any time soon...

Is SQ still on track to have no 744s early next year? So basically at some point next year there will be no C/F long haul awards except for the few regional C/F....thats garbage at some point the other * carriers will have to do something about this.

They might open their Long Haul C/F for higher rates than KF Members... They don't care about us, so why other carrier's FF Members?

If they would just do that for KF members first.. That'll be great... Unfortunately, not in any time soon...


I have heard that they are looking at this "towards the end of 2009"

So maybe something soon

They might open their Long Haul C/F for higher rates than KF Members... They don't care about us, so why other carrier's FF Members?

Not sure how they'd work that out, unless all the other * carriers made changes to their redemption rates special for SQ, what they need to do is either learn to play well with others or just do their own thing its pretty lame at this point that they are the only *A carrier to basically block all premium awards. Add to that some report that while they are blocking *A awards DL seems to still get space on some routes (ie. SQ11/12). Maybe what needs to happen is for all the other carriers to return the favor.

I have heard that they are looking at this "towards the end of 2009"

So maybe something soon

Note that "looking at this" might mean another several years.. Bureaucrats and Businesses just don't mix very well...

Not sure how they'd work that out, unless all the other * carriers made changes to their redemption rates special for SQ, what they need to do is either learn to play well with others or just do their own thing its pretty lame at this point that they are the only *A carrier to basically block all premium awards. Add to that some report that while they are blocking *A awards DL seems to still get space on some routes (ie. SQ11/12). Maybe what needs to happen is for all the other carriers to return the favor.

Being a KF member, redemption on many partner airlines are very expensive... So I don't know where this kicks in.. Just hopes they could come back to their senses.. Dunno where SQ stands along the other *A carriers, and returning SQ a "favor" whether is good or bad... may very well affect managements (and some high SQ People fired...)

I'm happy to see the OW awards on partners (wish they would have done this last month).

I know you don't get the 15% online booking discount but are the fuel surcharges as bad on partners as they are on SQ? I currently have BCN-SIN-BNE booked for next Sept but I am really travelling from Morocco (RAK or CMN) but need a cheapie seat to BCN. It would be much nicer to go on LH from CMN-FRA-SIN/BKK-BNE. I know I would have to pay the cancellation fee.

***Two people one way Y class***

Miles were 80750 plus about $500 in AUD in taxes. plus about $200 for Easyjet or similar.

New routing would be 90000 plus whatever taxes plus fees.

Redeposit miles of completely unused tickets (subject to validity of miles) online 3,000 $30

It could be worth it if the partner's surcharges are cheaper. I would probably pay the cash rather than the miles as it's hard for me to accumulate miles. I got these miles from a botched Amex promo last year.

So basically at some point next year there will be no C/F long haul awards except for the few regional C/F....thats garbage at some point the other * carriers will have to do something about this.

Agree. Pressure on SQ from the rest of *A is long overdue.

That said, you can get some premium awards on new product using miles & more.

I'm happy to see the OW awards on partners (wish they would have done this last month).

I know you don't get the 15% online booking discount but are the fuel surcharges as bad on partners as they are on SQ? I currently have BCN-SIN-BNE booked for next Sept but I am really travelling from Morocco (RAK or CMN) but need a cheapie seat to BCN. It would be much nicer to go on LH from CMN-FRA-SIN/BKK-BNE. I know I would have to pay the cancellation fee.

***Two people one way Y class***

Miles were 80750 plus about $500 in AUD in taxes. plus about $200 for Easyjet or similar.

New routing would be 90000 plus whatever taxes plus fees.

Redeposit miles of completely unused tickets (subject to validity of miles) online 3,000 $30

It could be worth it if the partner's surcharges are cheaper. I would probably pay the cash rather than the miles as it's hard for me to accumulate miles. I got these miles from a botched Amex promo last year.

I haven't checked specifically for your routing, but LH is not one of the "low fuel surcharge" airlines. There probably will be some difference but not likely to be big and could even be higher.

I haven't checked specifically for your routing, but LH is not one of the "low fuel surcharge" airlines. There probably will be some difference but not likely to be big and could even be higher.

LH YQ is as bad as SQ or TG or many other *A airlines.

LH YQ is as bad as SQ or TG or many other *A airlines.
Yikes! What about MS or TK? Are their fuel fines exhorbitant too? Those are the only other two options that would serve CMN. Can you have a stopover on a one-way *A award?

Finally they did it!

All the miles required to Central & South America have been inflated because of the joining of Continental Airline!!!:mad:

I better redeem before the miles inflated and rather pay the penalty to change date!

Well, you'd better hurry up!

At least Singapore Airlines have updated the SW Pacific Region with all the pacific islands, and still glad J award is still 35K. Still missing though are northern pacific islands such as FSM, Palau, Marshall Islands.

Wow this splitting up in several regions in particular in North Asia 1 and 2 or South East Asia 1 and 2 to make a difference in redemption rates between e.g. Indonesia and Thailand does not make sense to me at all, except being overly nitpicking.......

Otherwise I just redeemed a business class saver award on SQ from SIN-BNE on the new regional business class for 90.000 points on my Miles and More account - considering that it is the same as with KF flyer saver award I consider it a bargain on LH because whenever I fly business class on Star Alliance Carriers so also SQ I get double award/status miles (200%) vs. 125% on most other A* carriers incl. SQ:). Still a pitty that SQ doesnt yet allow to claim biz awards (saver) on 777-300 ER because SIN - FRA is my main route.....

Mrs Pandaperth has 35K KF miles
am I understanding the rules and award chart (https://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/docs/krisflyer/Redeem_Miles/Awards_Charts/StarAlliance_RoundTrip.pdf)correctly that she could:


fly PER-oAKL-oRAR-xAKL-PER in business class?
and, since NZ doesn't charge YQ, pay only the various govt charges?
alternatively, could she fly PER-xAKL-oAPW-oTBU-xAKL-PER for the same 35K miles?


(APW= Samoa; TBU = Tonga; NZ flies between them as well as to each from from AKL; RAR = Rarotonga)

Also, what is the rule regarding maximum transit time (in other words - how long could she be in Auckland and have it still considered to be a transit, not a stopover)

Thanks

Less than 24h is considered a transit.

Mrs Pandaperth has 35K KF miles
am I understanding the rules and award chart (https://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/docs/krisflyer/Redeem_Miles/Awards_Charts/StarAlliance_RoundTrip.pdf)correctly that she could:


fly PER-oAKL-oRAR-xAKL-PER in business class?
and, since NZ doesn't charge YQ, pay only the various govt charges?
alternatively, could she fly PER-xAKL-oAPW-oTBU-xAKL-PER for the same 35K miles?


(APW= Samoa; TBU = Tonga; NZ flies between them as well as to each from from AKL; RAR = Rarotonga)

Also, what is the rule regarding maximum transit time (in other words - how long could she be in Auckland and have it still considered to be a transit, not a stopover)

Thanks

1) Yes.
2) It was the case in May 2009 when I redeemed SYD-oWLG-xAKL-oPPT-xAKL-SYD NZ J. Not sure now.
3) Yes. Last time I talked to KF service desk, apparently any additional stopover they would would cost 10K miles.

Thank you edison and aurigakb

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