Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - HON re-qualification

last year i accrued 100.000 HON miles.
this year i am hitting 530.000 HON miles so at the end of this year i will become HON up to february 2012.
My question now is: next year to requalify up to February 2014 will i need only 70.000 miles?

am i right?

thx

I don't think so. During the 2 calendar years 2010 and 2011 you need 600k HON miles.

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in current scenario you'll be hon by end 2009, valid up to february 2012! I suggest something different. Due to the fact that you flew 530k in one year only, why don't you just go very close but under 600k this year, and take your hon qualification flight early 2010? In that case your status would be valid until february 2013, so basically you gain 1 year and your requalification period would be 2011-2012.In the meantime put your "unnecessary" miles you clock in 2009 somewhere else.



Just a suggestion..

not too bad idea...

but are you sure i will keep the status until feb 2013??

i need a scientific calculator!!LOL

in current scenario you'll be hon by end 2009, valid up to february 2012! I suggest something different. Due to the fact that you flew 530k in one year only, why don't you just go very close but under 600k this year, and take your hon qualification flight early 2010? In that case your status would be valid until february 2013, so basically you gain 1 year and your requalification period would be 2011-2012.In the meantime put your "unnecessary" miles you clock in 2009 somewhere else.

You forget that the HON circle miles collected by the OP in 2008 won't count anymore in that case.

Hence, it won't simply be a HON qualification flight, it will be a couple in order to earn the 600K minus whatever the OP did achieve in 2009...

Basically the OP should not accrue more than 499.999 this year and then do 70.001 next year. This will extend the validit to 2013.

However, do the 70k need to be accrued AFTER end of February or is is irrelevant ?

Basically the OP should not accrue more than 499.999 this year and then do 70.001 next year. This will extend the validit to 2013.
:confused:

100.000 + 499.999 make it to 599.999 at 31-Dec-09 --> NO HON

On 01-Jan-10 the HON Circle miles go down to 499.999 (Current year and previous year). Why would OP need only 70.001 miles?

499.999 + 70.001 is 570.000 --> NO HON

:confused:

:confused:

100.000 + 499.999 make it to 599.999 at 31-Dec-09 --> NO HON

On 01-Jan-10 the HON Circle miles go down to 499.999 (Current year and previous year). Why would OP need only 70.001 miles?

499.999 + 70.001 is 570.000 --> NO HON

:confused:

Sorry, I got my math wrong: Of course he would need to fly 100.001 in 2010 !

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i thought the 530k have been accrued in 2009 only and do not include the previous 100k :confused:.

doing 530k in 2009 would push him into HONdom until 2012

maybe it wasn't clear.

100.000 accrued in 2008
530.000 accrued in 2009
end of 2009 this means 630.000 so i would become HON
if i accrue only 499.999 this year, next year i would need 100.001 (that is not just a couple of flights...)
but in this case would i be HON up to 2013?


but my question is:
if i become HON this year i will be HON up to february 2012.
if i accrue next year 70.001 will i be HON up to 2014?
or does the counter goes to 0 in 2010?
the rule says to accrue 600.000 in the last two years so they should start counting 530.000 from 2009.
right?

The counter goes to zero in 2010 !
If you qualify for HON until 2012 then you will need an additional 600.000 in 2010 and 2011 !

It is 600k every two years to re-qualify.

Not related to the OP but still HON qualify:

The e-Voucher for next qualify (Feb 2010) already added to my account.
Is it new policy (usually it was just on February) or it's a glitch on the IT (that maybe will bring some more e-Vouchers on Feb :D)?

Not related to the OP but still HON qualify:

The e-Voucher for next qualify (Feb 2010) already added to my account.
Is it new policy (usually it was just on February) or it's a glitch on the IT (that maybe will bring some more e-Vouchers on Feb :D)?
Does your status validity period still show Feb 2010? :confused:

Mine already shows Feb 2012 for a while now and I got the +6 eVouchers as of today (Just checked). This is consistent, how it was in the past IMHO.

status validity period Feb 2012

Before it was updated just around End Jan (at least on 2008)

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I still think that my first post was correct. Ok, the OP will lose his first 100k from 2008. But he doesn't need them since he'll be short of 70k only early 2010, the 530k will remain for his 2 years qualy period.therefore, if he doesn't qualify this year, which is what I suggest, then he becomes hon early 2010 with status up to feb 2013.

Can he even choose not to become HON at the end of this year? Since he will have 630k miles during the last 2 years.

f4freeJunior: if the OP will have the 530K this year he can't choose and will become HON till 2012 the only way is to have up to 499,999 this year and than next year 2010 to collect the remaining to 600K (30K can be the flights you delay and 70K more) just by this way he will qualify till 2013. For the OP if you plan to have 100K next year you can go for it, otherwise you can loss all, just make the calculation.^

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f4freeJunior: if the OP will have the 530K this year he can't choose and will become HON till 2012 the only way is to have up to 499,999 this year and than next year 2010 to collect the remaining to 600K (30K can be the flights you delay and 70K more) just by this way he will qualify till 2013. For the OP if you plan to have 100K next year you can go for it, otherwise you can loss all, just make the calculation.^

totally correct.
Additionaly, he might have to credit a few miles to another FFP in order not to qualify too early by the end of this year.

GUYS you are great!!!

but now i have so many doubts:
HON or not HON in 2009????

:)

hey guys...someone lied here!!
:)
i talked to the senator line today and they told me that if i qualify for HON this year, next year i will be able to re-qualify with only 70.000 HON miles.
As i thought the counter doesn't go to zero.it takes in consideration the previous year and the actual.

so i might be HON until for 4 years until 2014 with only 100000(2008)+530000(2009)+70000(2010)=700000 HON miles accrued in two years and few months!!!

sounds good!!!

hey guys...someone lied here!!
:)
i talked to the senator line today and they told me that if i qualify for HON this year, next year i will be able to re-qualify with only 70.000 HON miles.
As i thought the counter doesn't go to zero.it takes in consideration the previous year and the actual.

so i might be HON until for 4 years until 2014 with only 100000(2008)+530000(2009)+70000(2010)=700000 HON miles accrued in two years and few months!!!

sounds good!!!

Nonsense ! Hang up and dial again ... You are a victim of the IST or CPT call centre goons !

from MM website
600,000 HON Circle miles (3) spread over two successive calendar years (4)

but it does make sense.why should they start from zero?
he told me exactly how many HON miles i collected over the past years, for every couple:
i mean 2006-2007 then 2007-2008 then 2008 and 2009...
let's ask some HON...they can deny or confirm...

...
let's ask some HON...they can deny or confirm...

Sorry, but 4 HONs have already commented in this thread....:confused:

Anyway, you will not get HON status until 2014 with your plan. Qualifying in 2010 will get a maximum validity of 02/2013 expiration.

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sen line is wrong!!! If you go through all the posts again you know what to do...
Unless you allready know that you'll clock bunches of hon miles the neyt coming years anyway I would qualify early 2010.

why do they give these stupid answer on the phone???
...I will ask them soemthing in written...at least i know whom to blame!

why do they give these stupid answer on the phone???
...I will ask them soemthing in written...at least i know whom to blame!

Because they don't know what they are doing in IST or CPT. The only competent call centre (Kassel) is about to be shut down.... All for the benefit of LH's customers !

Spare yourself the time of writing a letter ... all the answers are in this thread.

If your theory were true, I'd have HON status until 2018 ... and most others HONs here too. :D

let's ask some HON...they can deny or confirm...

HON here .........., call center is wrong !

If your theory were true, I'd have HON status until 2018 ... and most others HONs here too. :D

and I'd have SEN+ status for many years to come already.

i mean 2006-2007 then 2007-2008 then 2008 and 2009...

that holds true until you hit the 600k threshold for the first time. once you made HON your counter goes to zero.

so if you make it this year, its valid until 2012 and you have 2010 and 2011 to collect another 600k...

HON here .........., call center is wrong !

ditto

christmas: In a lot of fields of life there is the theoretical part (the answer you got) and there is a reality (the fact that it goes to 0) you can choose what ever you like I think you better believe in reality in this case as Rambuster wrote otherwise HON will be mostly for ever.

What to do:confused: see what I wrote above make the calculation if you not sure you going to have the 100K next year "better to have one bird in hand than two on the tree".

^

but now i have so many doubts:
HON or not HON in 2009????

:)
May be there is one thing you have to be sure with: the validity date on the HON Card says 02/XX, so the status expires end of february.
If you decide to qualify for HON in 2010 make sure that you get a written confirmation from LH that you are allowed to achieve the missing 100.001 miles for qualification in the first two month of 2010 and will be HON up to
02/13 instead of 02/12. I qualified in april 09 and got the expiring date 02/12.
Just reassure!

HON here .........., call center is wrong !

Yes, they are wrong... I had in:
2004: 170 k (more or less, I don't remember, but I got my card in 2005)
2005: 450 k (received my card valid until 2/08)
2006: 700 k
2007: 850 k (received my new card valid until 2/10)
2008: 300 k
2009: 290 k (got yesterday the friendly letter from T. Antinori that I will be SEN if I don't make the missing 10 k - which will be done next week anyhow :D

Just try to recall them until you end up in Kassel - they are the only ones who have any reliable competence re HON issues (and all other LH stuff ;)

why do they give these stupid answer on the phone???
...I will ask them soemthing in written...at least i know whom to blame!
Why do you still need something in written? :confused:

Because you don't like the solid, true and consistent answer, you do read here from the real HONs. :td:

Some of us did qualify and requalify from the very beginning, so we probably know better than any call center agent somewhere in the world about this status and the rules. :rolleyes:

Why do you still need something in written? :confused:christmas could simply print this thread so he has something in writing.

christmas could simply print this thread so he has something in writing.

:D ^

Why do you still need something in written? :confused:

Because you don't like the solid, true and consistent answer, you do read here from the real HONs. :td:

Some of us did qualify and requalify from the very beginning, so we probably know better than any call center agent somewhere in the world about this status and the rules. :rolleyes:

i need smething in written so next year i can re-qualify with only 70.000 miles!!:cool:

well guys you are amazing...

i do not know which one of the two options you suggested me to take though...but this is my fault...

i will let you know!!!

thanks!!

i need smething in written so next year i can re-qualify with only 70.000 miles!!:cool:
Then go ahead and spend your time into something you will NEVER get. :p :rolleyes:

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i need smething in written so next year i can re-qualify with only 70.000 miles!!:cool:

Why do expect to have something that none of us who are requalifying for the 3rd time after the initial qualification in 2004 ever got ?

BTW - FT is not a call centre where you endlessly reiterate the same Q hoping for an answer that reflects what you want to hear...

Cheers

Thomas

i need smething in written so next year i can re-qualify with only 70.000 miles!!:cool:

Then go ahead and spend your time into something you will NEVER get. :p :rolleyes:


Why do expect to have something that none of us who are requalifying for the 3rd time after the initial qualification in 2004 ever got ?


Maybe a non-HON like my humble self should try to answer the question again :eek: :rolleyes: I don't know why you asked such a question from the very beginning as the M&M website is pretty clear on this issue:

How long are my HON Circle miles valid for?

HON Circle miles are calculated for two calender years dated 1st January up until 31st December. In case you are HON Circle member, the sum you attain in the last two calender years in which your status is active will be decisive for a further extension.


The wording in pretty clear and straight forward and if M&M send you something in written than it'll be a similar statement to the one above.

...(got yesterday the friendly letter from T. Antinori that I will be SEN if I don't make the missing 10 k)...

So, then it wasn´t only me that got this special reminder?! :)

So, then it wasn´t only me that got this special reminder?! :)

i got it too, signed by mr. bierwirth.

sounded more like a threat to me though, if you dont make ze 600k we vill send you ze SEN card... :D

i got it too, signed by mr. bierwirth.

sounded more like a threat to me though, if you dont make ze 600k we vill send you ze SEN card... :D

Dennis and Sentom please focus your efforts on re-qualifying !:eek:

is jakarta (from FRA) the most far location served by LH?

is jakarta (from FRA) the most far location served by LH?As far as I know, it is EZE (Buenos Aires).

is jakarta (from FRA) the most far location served by LH?
No and even no direct flight BTW

You may play around with this tool
http://www.world-airport-codes.com/

But what has this do do with the topic of this thread. :confused:

As far as I know, it is EZE (Buenos Aires).
Yes

No and even no direct flight BTW

You may play around with this tool
http://www.world-airport-codes.com/

But what has this do do with the topic of this thread.


Yes

it is a direct flight via SIN on LH778.
no codeshare.
So HON miles on the whole flight.
This is also the reason of the question...
:)

it is a direct flight via SIN on LH778.
My definition of a direct flight is slightly different. :p


no codeshare.
So HON miles on the whole flight.

Yes

So HON miles on the whole flight.

you only will get miles for FRA-CGK not FRA-SIN-CGK...

My definition of a direct flight is slightly different. :p

well it is direct (i.e. only one flight number) but not non stop, but i agree with you...