US Airways Dividend Miles - Again for Nov & Dec: Buy/Gift/Share miles, receive 100% bonus




yyliu88
Nov 1, 09, 2:21 pm
http://shopping.usairways.com/en-US/dividendmiles/programdetails/purchasemiles/sharemiles.html

If I understand correctly, share miles give better value.

you share 50000 with someone else, u lose 50000, they gain 100000, net gain 50000. cost =50000*.01*0.075+30=567.5. Then ask ur friends or relative transfer miles back to u, u will get another 50K bonus for 567.5. total bonus 100K=1135.

For buying miles 50000+50000 bonus=50000*.025*.075+30=1373.75


Darren
Nov 1, 09, 3:32 pm
The question I have is whether the 50,000 is cumulative over the buy/gift/share miles or whether it applies individually to each.

ArizonaGuy
Nov 1, 09, 4:22 pm
The question I have is whether the 50,000 is cumulative over the buy/gift/share miles or whether it applies individually to each.

I'm guessing NOT cumulative. In August, if you'd already purchased the max 50K miles and attempted to do so again with the same account, the system informed you that you'd already received the max double miles under the promo and would only receive 1x miles before the confirm purchase screen.

Now, it doesn't say that and looks to be allowing me to buy 50K miles with the full bonus. I'll probably do it again in late December. Just hoping the award levels don't change, or they give at least a decent grace period where I can book at the lower rates. $1375 for 100K miles isn't bad at all when I'll use them towards a South Pacific trip.


Darren
Nov 1, 09, 5:57 pm
I'm guessing NOT cumulative. In August, if you'd already purchased the max 50K miles and attempted to do so again with the same account, the system informed you that you'd already received the max double miles under the promo and would only receive 1x miles before the confirm purchase screen.

Interesting. I was more interested in how the share factors into the equation. Over the summer, the bonus was for buy and gift, but share was left out. With sharing now included in the bonus, I am wondering about the limits. The terms at the bottom of the share page say that the limit is imposed on those miles purchased, but shared miles are not purchased - they are shared. One of these days, USAirways will get someone other than the intern to write their T&Cs.

fsa_ea
Nov 2, 09, 7:43 pm
Limit is 50,000 for EACH of buy, share, and gift. I have successfully completed all three transactions at the limit, so I can personally confirm that this works.

IMH
Nov 3, 09, 7:18 am
I have successfully completed all three transactions at the limit, so I can personally confirm that this works.

Many thanks for that confirmation. :)

Raffles
Nov 3, 09, 7:58 am
Limit is 50,000 for EACH of buy, share, and gift. I have successfully completed all three transactions at the limit, so I can personally confirm that this works.

Can you please confirm one thing - by 'successfully completed' do you mean that you have shared and gifted TO OTHER PEOPLE, or have you been the beneficiary of miles shared and gifted TO YOU?

It is still not clear to me if I could get 5 different people to buy 25,000 miles (doublee to 50k) and then have those 5 people each gift their 50k miles to me, with me receiving 100k from each. In this scenario my account would have benefitted from 250,000 bonus miles.

rrgg
Nov 3, 09, 11:25 am
you share 50000 with someone else, u lose 50000, they gain 100000, net gain 50000. cost =50000*.01*0.075+30=567.5. Then ask ur friends or relative transfer miles back to u, u will get another 50K bonus for 567.5. total bonus 100K=1135
Sorry for being dense, but what is the 0.075?

I see the cost as 50000 miles * $0.01/mile + $30 = $530.

If they're shared and shared back, the cost is $1060.

IMH
Nov 3, 09, 11:35 am
Sorry for being dense, but what is the 0.075?

7.5% Federal Excise Tax.

fsa_ea
Nov 3, 09, 11:41 am
Can you please confirm one thing - by 'successfully completed' do you mean that you have shared and gifted TO OTHER PEOPLE, or have you been the beneficiary of miles shared and gifted TO YOU?

It is still not clear to me if I could get 5 different people to buy 25,000 miles (doublee to 50k) and then have those 5 people each gift their 50k miles to me, with me receiving 100k from each. In this scenario my account would have benefitted from 250,000 bonus miles.

No. You may receive up to 50,000+50,000 buy, share, and gift miles, so the most that can flow INTO your account from this promotion is 300,000 miles.

IMH
Nov 3, 09, 12:02 pm
It is still not clear to me if I could get 5 different people to buy 25,000 miles (doublee to 50k) and then have those 5 people each gift their 50k miles to me, with me receiving 100k from each.

I can't answer this, but I can enhance fsa_ea's report a little. Two account holders in my household were each able to buy 50,000 miles, buy another 50,000 miles for each other ("gift") and transfer 50,000 miles to each other ("share"). Each transaction generated 50,000 bonus miles, resulting in a net balance increase of 250,000 miles for each account.

Cost: 6,630 USD for 500,000 miles (bought +300,000; bonus +300,000; transferred -100,000). Cost per mile: approx. 1.326 cents.

Your method would get the cost down to just under 6,347 USD or approx. 1.269 cents per mile, so it's worth considering. The 'simple' method, on the other hand, has the advantages of only requiring two accounts (rather than six!) and being quite unambiguously within the T&C of the promotion.

mrwise
Nov 3, 09, 12:55 pm
Alright! Good to see that this offer is back! I made good use of it the last time, around August, I think. Bought some miles and put them to use towards a J class ticket on LH. :D Am just wondering whether it's a good idea to buy miles and just let them sit in my US account though, with all the bad news coming out of Tempe.

Jasper2009
Nov 3, 09, 1:16 pm
Sorry for this newbie question, but is it any problem to register as a new member and then buy 50k miles (get 100k) with this great promotion?
I donīt have to be a US resident for this promotion, do I?

Thankīs!

IMH
Nov 3, 09, 1:37 pm
is it any problem to register as a new member and then buy 50k miles (get 100k) with this great promotion?
I donīt have to be a US resident for this promotion, do I?

No need to be a US resident but you'll need to wait ten days between opening a new Dividend Miles account and being able to buy, gift or share miles.

TheAirman
Nov 4, 09, 2:53 am
Sorry for asking again, but I really want to be certain before entering into any transaction.

I can get max. 100k miles + 150k bonus miles out of this with two accounts?
I would follow the following scenario:

account A gifts 50k to account B => B has 100k miles
account A buys 50k => A has 100k miles
account B shares with account A 50k miles => account A gets 100k miles and has already 100k miles, so total would be 200k; while account B still has 50k miles.

Is this calculation correct ? Would you only get the bonus once per kind of transaction (buy, share, gift) with max. of 50k per transaction ?

If not couldn't I just share back and forth and get the bonus ?

Like A shares with B 50k => B has 100k miles
B shares with A 50k => B has 50k miles, A has 100k miles
A shares again with B 50k miles => B has 150k miles, A has still 50k miles
... and so on ?

Sorry for asking, but as I wrote in the beginning I want to be certain.

Cheers
TheAirman

corrad
Nov 4, 09, 4:35 am
Sorry for asking again, but I really want to be certain before entering into any transaction.

I can get max. 100k miles + 150k bonus miles out of this with two accounts?
I would follow the following scenario:

account A gifts 50k to account B => B has 100k miles
account A buys 50k => A has 100k miles
account B shares with account A 50k miles => account A gets 100k miles and has already 100k miles, so total would be 200k; while account B still has 50k miles.

Is this calculation correct ? Would you only get the bonus once per kind of transaction (buy, share, gift) with max. of 50k per transaction ?

If not couldn't I just share back and forth and get the bonus ?

Like A shares with B 50k => B has 100k miles
B shares with A 50k => B has 50k miles, A has 100k miles
A shares again with B 50k miles => B has 150k miles, A has still 50k miles
... and so on ?

Sorry for asking, but as I wrote in the beginning I want to be certain.

Cheers
TheAirman

I don't think A can share again with B another 50K, as the limit is 50K per account

IMH
Nov 4, 09, 8:02 am
I can get max. 100k miles + 150k bonus miles out of this with two accounts?

[...]

If not couldn't I just share back and forth and get the bonus ?

The safe assumption has to be that with two accounts you can get 250,000 miles onto each account, as described above.

It might be possible to "gift" or "share" more often, i.e. the US Airways and points.com computers might allow additional transactions to go through. But you wouldn't have a leg to stand on if a subsequent audit led to the extra bonus miles being removed. In that case, you'd either be paying full price for "gifted" miles or (even worse) paying the "share miles" price for zero net gain.

I'm happy to leave it at 250,000 per account for several reasons. For a start, it already represents an investment of over 6,500 USD. That's more than enough to be entrusting to any airline at the moment. It will take a while to burn 500,000 miles -- and at some point in the coming year I need to pay for a couple of long-haul flights with real money, in order to retain status.

OverpaidSlacker
Nov 4, 09, 8:41 am
Limit is 50,000 for EACH of buy, share, and gift. I have successfully completed all three transactions at the limit, so I can personally confirm that this works.

did these transactions post as purchases from us airways (i.e., should i use a us airways credit card that provides bonus miles for purchases from us airways in order to maximize the miles earned)?

OverpaidSlacker
Nov 4, 09, 9:02 am
my wife and i "shared" 50,000 miles back and forth under the terms of this program.

we have a 2 year old son who is a newly-minted dm member. i'd be happy to "share" 50,000 miles back and forth with another member (using my son's account) if anyone out there is looking for a partner with whom they can share miles.

this would requrie a little bit of trust in me. my son's account currently has only 1400 miles in it, so the initial transaction would have to be from you to him. i promise, of course, to initiate the "return" transaction immediately upon receipt of the miles into his account.

if you're interested, please pm me.

thanks.

IMH
Nov 4, 09, 4:08 pm
did these transactions post as purchases from us airways [...]?

On an AMEX the charge shows as:

US AIR BUY POINTS LOYALTY

On a Chase MC last time (July/August) it posted as:

US AIR BUY POINTS POINTS.COM NH

Generally, my understanding is that when points/miles purchases are routed via points.com the charges are not seen as payments to the issuing airline or hotel group and do not attract credit card bonus points/miles.

ArizonaGuy
Nov 4, 09, 4:35 pm
On an AMEX the charge shows as:

US AIR BUY POINTS LOYALTY

On a Chase MC last time (July/August) it posted as:

US AIR BUY POINTS POINTS.COM NH

Generally, my understanding is that when points/miles purchases are routed via points.com the charges are not seen as payments to the issuing airline or hotel group and do not attract credit card bonus points/miles.

It's probably not worth arguing for the double points but it is frustrating when the points.com transaction isn't transparent. On US, it looks like the process occurs entirely on usairways.com unless you look behind the scenes to see where the web code and traffic are going.

German-FLyer
Nov 4, 09, 6:43 pm
Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else, but how long do these transactions take? I am looking at using them on LH and not sure how long the award seats will still be around.

dingo
Nov 4, 09, 7:05 pm
I can see the simple math...but is this really a good spend? $500 to get 50k translates to around a penny, but that's a lot of cash to lay out.

IMH
Nov 4, 09, 7:27 pm
how long do these transactions take?

Instant, unless for some reason (or for no reason...) points.com has a problem with your credit card.

I can see the simple math...but is this really a good spend? $500 to get 50k translates to around a penny, but that's a lot of cash to lay out.

It's certainly not for everyone, but it's a great way to get (for example) a TATL return in J for not much more than 1,200 USD including fees and taxes.

ArizonaGuy
Nov 4, 09, 8:26 pm
Instant, unless for some reason (or for no reason...) points.com has a problem with your credit card.



It's certainly not for everyone, but it's a great way to get (for example) a TATL return in J for not much more than 1,200 USD including fees and taxes.

Even better if you use a buy + share method and have enough for J or F to the South Pacific, potentially via Asia. :)

Since I've become pretty skilled with the ANA tool, I remain confident that I can usually find SOME routing that will work for me within a day or two of when I want to go. So this is like pre-buying my tickets.

pschafer
Nov 4, 09, 11:51 pm
Quick question - I just joined Dividend Miles to take advantage of this deal. I don't see any mention of the 7.5% federal tax on the web site? Is it possible that this tax only applies to US residents? I can't try a purchase yet as I need to wait for 10 days.

Thanks.

ArizonaGuy
Nov 5, 09, 12:19 am
Quick question - I just joined Dividend Miles to take advantage of this deal. I don't see any mention of the 7.5% federal tax on the web site? Is it possible that this tax only applies to US residents? I can't try a purchase yet as I need to wait for 10 days.

Thanks.

It will be added on the purchase page - you will see it when you can actually continue past the page where you enter your DM #, Name, Email and miles you wish to purchase without getting the "You can't buy miles yet" message.

Jasper2009
Nov 5, 09, 8:07 am
Just wanted to make sure:

- If I share 50k miles this will cost me $530 and the other person would receive a 100k miles under this promotion?
- Is there a limit to how many miles can be shared from one account to another? (despite the fact that you only get the bonus for the first 50k coming into your account this way)

Thankīs!

IMH
Nov 5, 09, 9:02 am
If I share 50k miles this will cost me $530 and the other person would receive a 100k miles under this promotion?

It will cost you $567.50 (including federal excise tax). 50,000 miles will be deducted from your account and 100,000 miles will be credited to the other person's account.

Is there a limit to how many miles can be shared from one account to another? (despite the fact that you only get the bonus for the first 50k coming into your account this way)

I'm 99% sure that there isn't, although there is a 50,000 mile per transaction limit. But why would you want to transfer miles, other than to benefit from the bonus? It's an expensive thing to do -- far more cost effective to buy additional miles and get the bonus on them.

halothane
Nov 5, 09, 4:21 pm
I can see the simple math...but is this really a good spend? $500 to get 50k translates to around a penny, but that's a lot of cash to lay out.

Well, it's certainly cheaper than buying a C ticket to Europe. And you get a stop over to boot.


Halothane

anchor79
Nov 5, 09, 5:02 pm
Can we buy 50000 miles, then transfer to others (100000 miles) then another person transfer back 50000 miles to me so I will yield 150000 miles total?

Crille
Nov 5, 09, 5:15 pm
Ok guys sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't quite understand how it works.

Assume (we're not members of Dividened Miles) three people open an account. Person A buys 20k points and recieves 40k. He then transfers these miles to person B who gets 80k miles. Then person C purchases 20k miles, recieves 40k and transfers this to person A who recieves 80k miles.

Resulting in two persons recieving 80k miles each (two TATL J class awards) for roughly 2000USD?

Would this work?

Cheers guys

uva185
Nov 5, 09, 5:44 pm
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Ok guys sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't quite understand how it works.

Assume (we're not members of Dividened Miles) three people open an account. Person A buys 20k points and recieves 40k. He then transfers these miles to person B who gets 80k miles. Then person C purchases 20k miles, recieves 40k and transfers this to person A who recieves 80k miles.

Resulting in two persons recieving 80k miles each (two TATL J class awards) for roughly 2000USD?

Would this work?

Cheers guys

Yes, however you must wait 10 days after you open a new account before you are allowed to purchase miles.

Crille
Nov 5, 09, 6:05 pm
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Yes, however you must wait 10 days after you open a new account before you are allowed to purchase miles.

Yes I read something about that.

But just to make sure once again, is it possible to get the double miles when purchasing miles, and then again when transfering them to another account? One "doubling of points" for each Buy, share and transfer separately, and not one doubling per account regardless of what I chose.

Sorry for the confusion.

IMH
Nov 5, 09, 6:13 pm
But just to make sure once again, is it possible to get the double miles when purchasing miles, and then again when transfering them to another account?

Yes, up to the 50,000 mile per account limit for each type of transaction.

I've done it; it works.

dingo
Nov 5, 09, 7:47 pm
Well, it's certainly cheaper than buying a C ticket to Europe. And you get a stop over to boot.


Halothane

In most cases. I flew to London twice and Frankfurt once last year for less than $300 round trip...but I get the point for most cases.

corrad
Nov 5, 09, 8:07 pm
Even better if you use a buy + share method and have enough for J or F to the South Pacific, potentially via Asia. :)

Since I've become pretty skilled with the ANA tool, I remain confident that I can usually find SOME routing that will work for me within a day or two of when I want to go. So this is like pre-buying my tickets.

As I am unfamiliar with US program, if one were to route through Asia to go down to South Pacific, is it still 110K miles?

ArizonaGuy
Nov 5, 09, 9:13 pm
In most cases. I flew to London twice and Frankfurt once last year for less than $300 round trip...but I get the point for most cases.

Did you miss that we're referring to C? Round trip, open-jaw or stopover in biz class for about $1300. Most of us have done Y for $300 as MR's in the past which is a great deal. I keep hoping that will pop up but don't actually expect to see that any again time soon.

ffI
Nov 5, 09, 10:23 pm
*Terms and conditions: Offer available for Buy, Share or Gift Miles purchases made November 1 - December 31, 2009. Bonus amounts will be awarded upon completion of the transaction. Only the first 50,000 miles purchased for each of the buy, share or gift miles services will qualify for the Double Miles Bonus. All miles purchased beyond this limit will not be eligible for a bonus. Please note that Dividend Miles accounts less than 10 days old are not permitted to buy, share or gift miles.

I called US. I was told that only the first 50k for any one type will qualify.
But see below.

Yes, up to the 50,000 mile per account limit for each type of transaction. I've done it; it works.

Also was told that if 3 people shared 50k with 1 recipient, that would be OK as well as the originator was different, even though the recipient was the same person.
Hmmmm... not sure about that either as other airlines have a max of miles transferred in to the same account.

http://shopping.usairways.com/en-US/dividendmiles/programdetails/purchasemiles/sharemiles.html
If I understand correctly, share miles give better value.
you share 50000 with someone else, u lose 50000, they gain 100000, net gain 50000. cost =50000*.01*0.075+30=567.5. Then ask ur friends or relative transfer miles back to u, u will get another 50K bonus for 567.5. total bonus 100K=1135.
For buying miles 50000+50000 bonus=50000*.025*.075+30=1373.75

Even though the math formula is a bit confusing, I agree sharing is better.
The question is if 5 or 6 people can all share with 1 recipient.
so the cost will come down to 567.5*6 = 3402$ for 300k = 1.134c/mile^

What I want to do is
A - 50
1 A - 0 B - 25+25; c - 25+25
2 A - 0 B - 0 C - 0 D - 25+25; E - 25+25 F - 25+25; G - 25+25
3 A - 50+50+50+50+50+50+50+50 = 400k while BCDEFG-0
1 Cost 250+18+30 = 298 approx +298 = 595
2 Cost 1190
3 cost 567.50x4 = 2274
Total 4060 = 400k miles of which 350k are new = 1.16c/miles


The question I have is whether the 50,000 is cumulative over the buy/gift/share miles or whether it applies individually to each.
I agree this is a real question. :confused:

Interesting. I was more interested in how the share factors into the equation. Over the summer, the bonus was for buy and gift, but share was left out. With sharing now included in the bonus, I am wondering about the limits. The terms at the bottom of the share page say that the limit is imposed on those miles purchased, but shared miles are not purchased - they are shared. One of these days, USAirways will get someone other than the intern to write their T&Cs.
+1:confused:

Limit is 50,000 for EACH of buy, share, and gift. I have successfully completed all three transactions at the limit, so I can personally confirm that this works.
+1 Thanks
Does this ever give you a mistake warning if you go over the limit?
So if I have shared 50k - will it warn me if I try to share 50k again and again?
Or do I only find out later?

Can you please confirm one thing - by 'successfully completed' do you mean that you have shared and gifted TO OTHER PEOPLE, or have you been the beneficiary of miles shared and gifted TO YOU?
It is still not clear to me if I could get 5 different people to buy 25,000 miles (double to 50k) and then have those 5 people each gift their 50k miles to me, with me receiving 100k from each. In this scenario my account would have benefitted from 250,000 bonus miles.
Which is what I want to do.

I can't answer this, but I can enhance fsa_ea's report a little. Two account holders in my household were each able to buy 50,000 miles, buy another 50,000 miles for each other ("gift") and transfer 50,000 miles to each other ("share"). Each transaction generated 50,000 bonus miles, resulting in a net balance increase of 250,000 miles for each account.
Cost: 6,630 USD for 500,000 miles (bought +300,000; bonus +300,000; transferred -100,000). Cost per mile: approx. 1.326 cents.
Your method would get the cost down to just under 6,347 USD or approx. 1.269 cents per mile, so it's worth considering. The 'simple' method, on the other hand, has the advantages of only requiring two accounts (rather than six!) and being quite unambiguously within the T&C of the promotion.
I was hoping for 4060 for 350k - see above

If not couldn't I just share back and forth and get the bonus ?
TheAirman

The safe assumption has to be that with two accounts you can get 250,000 miles onto each account, as described above.

It might be possible to "gift" or "share" more often, i.e. the US Airways and points.com computers might allow additional transactions to go through. But you wouldn't have a leg to stand on if a subsequent audit led to the extra bonus miles being removed. In that case, you'd either be paying full price for "gifted" miles or (even worse) paying the "share miles" price for zero net gain.

I'm happy to leave it at 250,000 per account for several reasons. For a start, it already represents an investment of over 6,500 USD. That's more than enough to be entrusting to any airline at the moment. It will take a while to burn 500,000 miles -- and at some point in the coming year I need to pay for a couple of long-haul flights with real money, in order to retain status.
+1

ellylex
Nov 6, 09, 4:48 am
I am looking for a transfer partner for 50,000 miles. I only have 15,000 in the account, so I can't initiate the transfer. I promise to transfer 50K back immediately.

Thanks

dingo
Nov 6, 09, 10:33 am
Did you miss that we're referring to C? Round trip, open-jaw or stopover in biz class for about $1300. Most of us have done Y for $300 as MR's in the past which is a great deal. I keep hoping that will pop up but don't actually expect to see that any again time soon.

I did...was taking C to = coach...so a cabin description not a fare description.

lsk4jmi
Nov 6, 09, 3:11 pm
I just completed the following transactions...

I bought 50k+50k bonus = 100k for $1375
My partner did the same = 100k for $1375
($.01374 per mile for a total of $2750 for 200k for us in 2 accounts or 100k each account)

Shared 50k, so -50k + 50k = 50k for $567.50
My partner did the same = 50k for $567.50
($.01294 per mile for a total of $1135 for 100k for us in 2 accounts or 50k in each account)
Sharing is the better way for sure but you need to get multiple people involved. Too complicated for me.

Each of us gained 150k in our accounts for a total of $1942.50. That should net us a Business Class ticket to Asia or Africa with points to spare so I think I'm going to stop here and not use the remaining "gift" miles. Don't need that many miles laying around in my account when I think about the cash outlay.

Also, I tested the system to see what would happen if I tried to share again and I got the following message...
The bonus limit for this promotion is 50,000 miles. Your recipient has already received 50,000 miles, therefore your bonus for this transaction is capped at 0 miles.

HCA
Nov 6, 09, 8:10 pm
Great deal, I am also looking for transfer partner with 40k or 50k balance to start the share process and benefit both of us. Please PM.

dustenm
Nov 7, 09, 10:19 am
I have several family members that have accounts but do not really use them. Would it be possible I could transfer miles to them and then back to me. My question is if I transfer back from there account to mine can I use my credit card? or does it have to be there credit card?

Also for each person that tranfers to me would I get 50,000 miles if I transfer 25,000 to me?

sbagdon
Nov 7, 09, 11:21 am
I have several family members that have accounts but do not really use them. Would it be possible I could transfer miles to them and then back to me. My question is if I transfer back from there account to mine can I use my credit card? or does it have to be there credit card?

Also for each person that tranfers to me would I get 50,000 miles if I transfer 25,000 to me?
At least for AA, I can attest that you can use a credit card that's different from the FFP account. Will find out about DL next week (presume so).

As long as they get their money, can't see them saying "no". :)

ffI
Nov 7, 09, 3:56 pm
I just completed the following transactions...

Also, I tested the system to see what would happen if I tried to share again and I got the following message...
The bonus limit for this promotion is 50,000 miles. Your recipient has already received 50,000 miles, therefore your bonus for this transaction is capped at 0 miles.

Thanks for the info. I am still trying to plot out the flight path
Is the limit based on the recipient getting miles or the sender sharing miles?

VH-RMD
Nov 7, 09, 5:36 pm
I just completed the following transactions...

I bought 50k+50k bonus = 100k for $1375
My partner did the same = 100k for $1375
($.01374 per mile for a total of $2750 for 200k for us in 2 accounts or 100k each account)

Shared 50k, so -50k + 50k = 50k for $567.50
My partner did the same = 50k for $567.50
($.01294 per mile for a total of $1135 for 100k for us in 2 accounts or 50k in each account)
Sharing is the better way for sure but you need to get multiple people involved. Too complicated for me.

Each of us gained 150k in our accounts for a total of $1942.50. That should net us a Business Class ticket to Asia or Africa with points to spare so I think I'm going to stop here and not use the remaining "gift" miles. Don't need that many miles laying around in my account when I think about the cash outlay.

Also, I tested the system to see what would happen if I tried to share again and I got the following message...
The bonus limit for this promotion is 50,000 miles. Your recipient has already received 50,000 miles, therefore your bonus for this transaction is capped at 0 miles.

I am a little confused about why you have to pay when sharing the miles? Don't you just send your partner 50k miles and they get a total of 100k (50 + 50 bonus)?

I am really trying to get my head around this, it seems too good to be true.

ankdc
Nov 8, 09, 12:58 am
Can anyone really familiar with this offer help me to get three business class tickets to Europe, starting with 0 miles in each account. It would require 80,000 miles per person, spread between two or three accounts.

The simplest is just buying 40,000 miles (doubles to 80,000 miles) for each of the three accounts. That cost is as follows: 120,000 x .025 = $3000 + 225 (tax @ .075/dollar) + $90 (three transactions) = $3315.

Can anyone think of something less expensive?

sophiegirl
Nov 8, 09, 3:49 am
I am a little confused about why you have to pay when sharing the miles?
Don't you just send your partner 50k miles and they get a total of 100k (50 + 50 bonus)?

I am really trying to get my head around this, it seems too good to be true.

No. There is always a fee per mile and a flat rate "admin" fee.

The reason it seems to good to be true is that US needs cash now. For your end, you may or may not use your points right away, and if you do, well, the plane was going anyway and they get to control how many award seats were on it, so...........

It IS a good deal IMHO, especially if you need some high $$$ tickets and know that your timing/destination is flexible enough to insure the award ticket availability.

VH-RMD
Nov 8, 09, 4:45 am
thank you....

martyYYZ
Nov 8, 09, 10:12 am
Can anyone really familiar with this offer help me to get three business class tickets to Europe, starting with 0 miles in each account. It would require 80,000 miles per person, spread between two or three accounts.

The simplest is just buying 40,000 miles (doubles to 80,000 miles) for each of the three accounts. That cost is as follows: 120,000 x .025 = $3000 + 225 (tax @ .075/dollar) + $90 (three transactions) = $3315.

Can anyone think of something less expensive?

Here is an option.

buy 50K in account 1 and account 2
Cost = 50K * 0.025 * 1.075 + 30 = $1373.75 * 2 = $2747.50

account 1 and 2 now have 100K

transfer 20K from account 1 to account 3
transfer 20K from account 2 to account 3
Cost = 20K * 0.01 * 1.075 + 30 = $245 * 2 = $490

All 3 accounts now have 80K

Total cost = $2747.50 + $490 = $3227.50

lsk4jmi
Nov 8, 09, 10:14 am
Is the limit based on the recipient getting miles or the sender sharing miles?

It's based on the recipient as I was trying to share with the same person. I think you can share with multiple recipients but no recipient can get more than 50k bonus miles total from "sharing".

lsk4jmi
Nov 8, 09, 10:23 am
Can anyone really familiar with this offer help me to get three business class tickets to Europe, starting with 0 miles in each account. It would require 80,000 miles per person, spread between two or three accounts.

The simplest is just buying 40,000 miles (doubles to 80,000 miles) for each of the three accounts. That cost is as follows: 120,000 x .025 = $3000 + 225 (tax @ .075/dollar) + $90 (three transactions) = $3315.

Can anyone think of something less expensive?

It's cheaper to share rather than buy. So, 1 person can buy 50,000 and get 50,000. Then that person can share 50,000 with 2 people. Person 1 now has 0 but persons 2 and 3 have 100,000 each. Next, persons 2 and 3 share 20,000 each back to person 1 who gets 40,000 from each for a total of 80,000. Persons 2 and 3 have 80,000 remaining for each account.

martyYYZ
Nov 8, 09, 10:51 am
Can anyone really familiar with this offer help me to get three business class tickets to Europe, starting with 0 miles in each account. It would require 80,000 miles per person, spread between two or three accounts.

The simplest is just buying 40,000 miles (doubles to 80,000 miles) for each of the three accounts. That cost is as follows: 120,000 x .025 = $3000 + 225 (tax @ .075/dollar) + $90 (three transactions) = $3315.

Can anyone think of something less expensive?

If the bonus is based on recipient, here is another option
EDIT: I see I came up with the same option as lsk4jmi

Account 1: buy 50K. Cost = 50K *.025 * 1.075 + 30 = $1373.50
balance is now 100K

Account 1: transfer 50K to account 2 and 50K to account 3
50K * 0.01 * 1.075 +30 = $567.50 *2 = $1135

balances are now account 1: 0, account 2: 100K, account 3: 100K

Next transfer 20K from account 2 to account 1 and 20K from account 3 to account 1
20K * 0.01 * 1.075 + 30 = $245 * 2 = $490

Now each account has 80K (account 1 has 20K*2*2, account 2/3 have 100K-20K).

Total cost = $1373.50 + $1135 + $490 = $2998.50

kats
Nov 8, 09, 2:29 pm
Am I right to take that one would be eligible twice or more to buy 50k miles this year??

lesenok
Nov 8, 09, 6:09 pm
and for partner to share 50k miles with me. Pls pm me if interested.
Have good references from Coupon Connection.

Thanks

deepbluesky
Nov 8, 09, 7:15 pm
Thanks OP and everyone else. This is an excellent deal for me. Just did my first 50k transfer, will repeat for the second 50k in a day or two.

HCA
Nov 9, 09, 1:15 am
I am also looking for 40k (Or 50k) US miles transfer partner as well. Please PM me.

For people decide to bank lots miles, please be US aware award chart may change.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-airways-dividend-miles/1014551-us-mileage-requirements-change.html
US Mileage Requirements Change

I hope if anything bad happen, US should give us some time to react.

thyeri
Nov 9, 09, 5:05 am
Wow this deal is amazing!!
Is it the first time US Airways is doing such a good promotion?
Has any other *A ever done that in the past?

Now, what if they go bankrupt??
If a "safer" company did such a great promotion, I would probably spend 10,000$ but for US Airways I'm not sure it's a good time keeping the miles for 2-3 years time.

Anyway, I already created 3 accounts for my family and looking forward to buying those cheap miles in 10 days.
:D:D

rrgg
Nov 9, 09, 3:57 pm
For those who haven't noticed, the US award chart is changing, and this may change how many miles you share/buy/gift. What sticks out to me is US-Europe business awards going from 80k to 100k.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-airways-dividend-miles/1015431-us-gives-dm-more-choice-flexibility-new-goawards.html

rrgg
Nov 9, 09, 3:59 pm
HCA was right to suspect the award chart is changing. A few here mentioned doing a share/buy/give to get US-Europe business awards at 80k. They'll cost 100k instead.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-airways-dividend-miles/1015431-us-gives-dm-more-choice-flexibility-new-goawards.html

abcx
Nov 9, 09, 4:12 pm
HCA was right to suspect the award chart is changing. A few here mentioned doing a share/buy/give to get US-Europe business awards at 80k. They'll cost 100k instead.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/us-airways-dividend-miles/1015431-us-gives-dm-more-choice-flexibility-new-goawards.html

This is irrelevant for * awards, no? They are still 80k so far, right?

rrgg
Nov 9, 09, 4:17 pm
This is irrelevant for * awards, no? They are still 80k so far, right?*A changes haven't been announced, but my magic 8 ball says "Outlook not so good."

IMH
Nov 9, 09, 4:46 pm
*A changes haven't been announced, but my magic 8 ball says "Outlook not so good."

It certainly seems unlikely that US will continue to offer *A redemption rates that are significantly better than UA and CO and *A availability that is significantly better than UA and open jaw and stopover rules that allow some trips that the others won't. But even when *A redemption rates do go up, as we have to assume they will, US miles will still be attractive for people interested in premium class redemptions on *A partners.

rrgg
Nov 9, 09, 4:52 pm
Sorry. Yes, US miles will still be attractive.

I was really responding to the posts about how to best share/buy miles among different accounts to get those 80k business awards. Those calculations are no longer valid unless you're planning to ticket the 80k awards before Jan. 6th.

IMH
Nov 9, 09, 5:22 pm
I was really responding to the posts about how to best share/buy miles among different accounts to get those 80k business awards. Those calculations are no longer valid unless you're planning to ticket the 80k awards before Jan. 6th.

That's an important and valid point, especially in the context of this thread, and my posting wasn't intended to contradict yours. Sorry if I gave the impression that I was disagreeing with you! :)

nachosdelux
Nov 9, 09, 6:38 pm
I tried to share, but got an error message that says "there is a problem with the dividend miles account number" or something to that effect, and that I should call the 1-800 phone #.

I have had my account for years, and was logged in.

I have been getting this error message all day.

Anyone else having the same problem?

I guess I could just call the number, but I am too lazy.

Thanks.

ArizonaGuy
Nov 9, 09, 6:54 pm
I tried to share, but got an error message that says "there is a problem with the dividend miles account number" or something to that effect, and that I should call the 1-800 phone #.

I have had my account for years, and was logged in.

I have been getting this error message all day.

Anyone else having the same problem?

I guess I could just call the number, but I am too lazy.

Thanks.

Are both accounts older than 10 days? You only mention yours. If one or the other is < 10 days old, you have to wait.

nachosdelux
Nov 10, 09, 6:22 am
Are both accounts older than 10 days? You only mention yours. If one or the other is < 10 days old, you have to wait.

Both accounts are several years old. I will try again today, and if it doesn't work, give them a call.

Happyguy
Nov 10, 09, 9:15 am
How long do the miles take to post to your account after a "Share" transaction?

IMH
Nov 10, 09, 9:26 am
How long do the miles take to post to your account after a "Share" transaction?

It was instant for members of my household.

jsnydcsa
Nov 10, 09, 10:12 am
Assume Mrs. jsnydcsa and I each have 50K in our respective accounts, baby jsnydcsa has zero.

If both Mrs. jsnydcsa and I share 50K with baby jsnydcsa, he should have:
50k from jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
50k from Mrs. jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
=
200k in his account.

Correct?

Cost $567.50 * 2 = $1,135

-------------
Now, Mrs. jsnydcsa and I each go out and buy 50K for our own accounts, we now are +100K (50K purchase plus 50K bonus) in each of our accounts.

Correct?

Cost = 50K *.025 * 1.075 + 30 = $1373.50 *2 = $2,747.00

--------------
Could Mrs. jsnydcsa and I, with our 100k in each of our accounts from the buy option, then gift each other 50k ending up with 150k in each account?
E.g. 100k in each account (after buy)
- 50k gifted to other person
= 50k remaining in each account after gift
+ 50k gifted from the other person
+ 50k bonus coming with the 50k gift
=
150k balance

Cost $567.50 * 2 = $1,135

---------------------
Total cost = $5,017 for 400,000 miles (not 500,000 b/c we had 50k *2 when we started out)
That's 0.0125 per mile. Not bad in my book.

HCA
Nov 10, 09, 11:08 am
Cost = 50K *.025 * 1.075 + 30 = $1373.50 *2 = $2,747.00

--------------
Could Mrs. jsnydcsa and I, with our 100k in each of our accounts from the buy option, then gift each other 50k ending up with 150k in each account?
E.g. 100k in each account (after buy)
- 50k gifted to other person
= 50k remaining in each account after gift
+ 50k gifted from the other person
+ 50k bonus coming with the 50k gift
=
150k balance

Cost $567.50 * 2 = $1,135

---------------------
Total cost = $5,017 for 400,000 miles (not 500,000 b/c we had 50k *2 when we started out)
That's 0.0125 per mile. Not bad in my book.

"Gift" =/= "Transfer"

The cost for gift is $1373.75 instead of $567.50.
"Gift" actually means you buy miles for others, NOT transfer.

One question if anyone can clarify, transfer 50k cost $567.50 or $530? (Does transfer appply to 7.5% tax?)

[Edit: It seems the cost is $567.50 instead of $530]

jsnydcsa
Nov 10, 09, 11:18 am
Assume Mrs. jsnydcsa and I each have 50K in our respective accounts, baby jsnydcsa has zero.

If both Mrs. jsnydcsa and I share 50K with baby jsnydcsa, he should have:
50k from jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
50k from Mrs. jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
=
200k in his account.

Correct?

Cost $567.50 * 2 = $1,135

-------------
Now, Mrs. jsnydcsa and I each go out and buy 50K for our own accounts, we now are +100K (50K purchase plus 50K bonus) in each of our accounts.

Correct?

Cost = 50K *.025 * 1.075 + 30 = $1373.50 *2 = $2,747.00

--------------
Could Mrs. jsnydcsa and I, with our 100k in each of our accounts from the buy option, then gift each other 50k ending up with 150k in each account?
E.g. 100k in each account (after buy)
- 50k gifted to other person
= 50k remaining in each account after gift
+ 50k gifted from the other person
+ 50k bonus coming with the 50k gift
=
150k balance

Cost $567.50 * 2 = $1,135

---------------------
Total cost = $5,017 for 400,000 miles (not 500,000 b/c we had 50k *2 when we started out)
That's 0.0125 per mile. Not bad in my book.


"Gift" =/= "Transfer"

The cost for gift is $1373.75 instead of $567.50.
"Gift" actually means you buy miles for others, NOT transfer.

One question if anyone can clarify, transfer 50k cost $567.50 or $530? (Does transfer appply to 7.5% tax?)


I'm sure I'm using poor word choice here...

Assume Mrs. jsnydcsa and I each have 50K in our respective accounts, baby jsnydcsa has zero.

If both Mrs. jsnydcsa and I share 50K with baby jsnydcsa, he should have:
50k from jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
50k from Mrs. jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
=
200k in his account.

Correct?

Cost $567.50 * 2 = $1,135



I guess I should not have used the word "share" above. But, rather, transfer.
As in "If both Mrs. jsnydcsa and I TRANSFER OUR 50K EACH TO baby jsnydcsa, he should have:
50k from jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
50k from Mrs. jsnydcsa + 50K bonus
=
200k in his account.

Correct?"

On the cost of $567.50 * 2 = $1,135 for the transfer, all I did was cut and paste from an earlier post (can't recall which one) that I thought said a transfer from one account to another would cost $567.50 for 50k mile transfer. But, I could be corrected.

MichaelColey
Nov 10, 09, 11:27 am
Has anyone successfully shared (and received bonuses for) more than 50k from multiple senders to one recipient?

My wife and I both have > 50k and my kids each have 30k.

I would like to transfer:

1) 10k from my wife to each of my kids (getting them over 50k)
2) 50k from my wife and each of my kids to me, increasing my balance by 300k.

Total cost would be $1988.75, which would generate 170k new miles and end up increasing my balance by 300k.

Since I'm CP (no phone booking or redeposit fees) and DM Select (5k discount on award tickets, award booking fees waived), it's beneficial for me to redeem miles out of my account for all of our family travels, so that's why I would like to structure this so that as much as possible ends up in my account.

The only catch is that it might not be possible to move more than 50k into a single account and get the bonuses. I know it's not possible to move more than 50k from a single account to a single account (as documented (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12780276-post42.html) by lsk4jmi earlier in this thread), but has anyone successfully moved more than 50k from multiple accounts to a single account and received the bonuses?

lsk4jmi
Nov 10, 09, 11:43 am
I believe that any one account can only get a maximum of 50k bonus miles from each of the 3 catagories.
Gift = 50k bonus
Buy = 50k bonus
Share = 50k bonus
It doesn't matter how many members are involved in the transactions. Bottom line is no more than 150k in bonus miles.

HCA
Nov 10, 09, 12:51 pm
1) 10k from my wife to each of my kids (getting them over 50k)
2) 50k from my wife and each of my kids to me, increasing my balance by 300k.
bonuses?

1. I am interested the same question to see if the transfer bonus is really limit to the one who transfer "out".
[Edit: The term and condition is not clear, to me it reads as limit the one who transfer "out" but not limit the one who transfer "in".]

2. If you do 1), your wife can't transfer 50k to you in 2).

aurigakb
Nov 10, 09, 8:51 pm
Has anyone successfully shared (and received bonuses for) more than 50k from multiple senders to one recipient?



Someone has reported that it cannot be done, unfortunately.

MichaelColey
Nov 11, 09, 10:54 pm
Has anyone successfully shared (and received bonuses for) more than 50k from multiple senders to one recipient?Someone has reported that it cannot be done, unfortunately.I missed that. I can confirm it now as well. A recipient can only receive a total of 50k in bonuses from shared miles, no matter how many senders.

I guess I'll have to be content with moving 50k from my wife's account to get an extra 100k in mine.

foxyankee
Nov 12, 09, 2:15 am
I missed that. I can confirm it now as well. A recipient can only receive a total of 50k in bonuses from shared miles, no matter how many senders.

I guess I'll have to be content with moving 50k from my wife's account to get an extra 100k in mine.

So what?
Recieving 100k is not a problem i suppose?
So giving away 50, recieving 50 and the limited 50 in bonus, correct?

kats
Nov 12, 09, 2:28 am
I have 200K miles I want to share with my 4 family members, 50k each. This is a case with one sender/multiple recipients. Will all my family members receive 50k bonus miles? Will the transferred miles can be returned back to my account? I understand one account can receive upto 50k bonus.

aurigakb
Nov 12, 09, 4:45 am
I have 200K miles I want to share with my 4 family members, 50k each. This is a case with one sender/multiple recipients. Will all my family members receive 50k bonus miles? Will the transferred miles can be returned back to my account? I understand one account can receive upto 50k bonus.

Yes, they should all receive their 50K bonus.

Transferring miles back to your account will cost, and you will be limited to receiving the 50K bonus once.

HCA
Nov 12, 09, 2:11 pm
Yes, they should all receive their 50K bonus.

Transferring miles back to your account will cost, and you will be limited to receiving the 50K bonus once.

I want to confirm for this before my transaction because I hope there is no 50k "transfer out" limit for bonus. Had anyone transfer 50k A -> B, 50k A -> C, and both B and C get 50k bonus? (or whatever the total bonus amount is > 50k but from the same account A)

zrs70
Nov 14, 09, 9:14 am
US is offering a 100% bonus on buying miles. This comes out to about 66 miles per dollar. Not a bad deal at all!

Boddingtons
Nov 14, 09, 10:11 am
I purchased some miles 11 hours ago (50k) and they have still to appear in the account.

It says all purchases will be confirmed within 4 hours. Has something gone tits up here? Do I need to contact anyone

HCA
Nov 15, 09, 2:22 am
I purchased some miles 11 hours ago (50k) and they have still to appear in the account.

It says all purchases will be confirmed within 4 hours. Has something gone tits up here? Do I need to contact anyone

You may want to call. The points should appear right away.

writetorich
Nov 15, 09, 3:20 pm
or they give at least a decent grace period where I can book at the lower rates. .

Yeah right:mad:
Just like NWA did with Worldperks and Delta did with sky miles and AA did with One way awards ( no stopovers)


C'com do you really think there would ever be a decent race period, If any grace period at all?

ArizonaGuy
Nov 15, 09, 3:45 pm
Yeah right:mad:
Just like NWA did with Worldperks and Delta did with sky miles and AA did with One way awards ( no stopovers)


C'com do you really think there would ever be a decent race period, If any grace period at all?

UA gave a grace period when they changed their award structure, I believe. US is giving a grace period on GoAwards of nearly 2 months. They gave a grace period when they jacked up the award booking / cancel / redeposit fees in summer 2008.

OT, but AA one way is a beautiful thing. Can't please everyone, I realize. Some would rather make the complex bookings with stopovers but I'd love it if US would allow one way for half the miles. I'd need UA to do the same though, to burn the wife's miles. As it is, with my AA miles I'll book one way with them and one way with BA miles since I don't have enough in either for the two round trips in C/J I need.

ffI
Nov 15, 09, 10:09 pm
I have 200K miles I want to share with my 4 family members, 50k each. This is a case with one sender/multiple recipients. Will all my family members receive 50k bonus miles? Will the transferred miles can be returned back to my account? I understand one account can receive upto 50k bonus.


I want to confirm for this before my transaction because I hope there is no 50k "transfer out" limit for bonus. Had anyone transfer 50k A -> B, 50k A -> C, and both B and C get 50k bonus? (or whatever the total bonus amount is > 50k but from the same account A)

I am not sure if more than 1 recipient will get bonus.
I was told by the rep that there was a 50k limit on any transaction per account. So even if you are the sender, you may have a 50k limit
But I can tell you that if you try to send it, you will get a message if there is no bonus.

50k extra in each
It is better to structure it as 50k A > B, B>C, C>A
That way B & C will both have 50k left and A will have 50k more.

100k & 50k extra
If you do 25K A >B, A>C each. then have 50k B>D, 50k C>A
you can end up with 100k in 1 account and an extra 50 in the first.
This will still be within the rules.

lesenok
Nov 16, 09, 12:17 am
I am not sure if more than 1 recipient will get bonus.
I was told by the rep that there was a 50k limit on any transaction per account. So even if you are the sender, you may have a 50k limit
But I can tell you that if you try to send it, you will get a message if there is no bonus.

....



I can also confirm that there is a limit of 50k on any transaction per account. If you try to do more than 50k, you will get a warning message that your transaction will NOT get the bonus. It wont stop you from making the transaction. So be very careful!!!

Important Notice

The bonus limit for this promotion is 50,000 miles. Your recipient has already received 50,000 miles, therefore your bonus for this transaction is capped at 0 miles.

HCA
Nov 16, 09, 3:14 am
Has any FTer already MAX the 50k transfer bonus can try to attempt transfer to another account which did not receive bonus to see if the limit is only to receiver?
(Or, already done 40k transfer out and trying for another 20k transfer out..)
I really need to confirm this info before the miles stuck in one of the accounts.

Surely, you can PM me to have the receiver's account to try.

Thanks for the help.

Crille
Nov 16, 09, 4:00 am
Just to clarify before making any transactions,

Whats the cheapest way to get 160k miles into one account when having 2 accounts each with 0 miles?


Thanks guys^

ikura
Nov 16, 09, 8:08 am
I purchased some miles 11 hours ago (50k) and they have still to appear in the account.

It says all purchases will be confirmed within 4 hours. Has something gone tits up here? Do I need to contact anyone

Same problem here. I bought 50k about 16 hours ago, no e-mail confirmation nor fresh miles in my account yet...... :mad:

MichaelColey
Nov 16, 09, 9:11 am
Just to clarify before making any transactions,

Whats the cheapest way to get 160k miles into one account when having 2 accounts each with 0 miles?


Thanks guys^The cheapest way to get 160k miles in account A when account A and B both start with 0:

1) Buy 30k miles in A. (Results in 60k. Cost: $836.25.)
2) Buy 25k miles in B. (Results in 50k. Cost: $701.88)
3) Share 50k from B to A. (Adds 100k to A, bringing it to 60k, depleting the miles from B. Cost: $567.50)

Total Cost: $2105.63 (1.3cpm)

If you're using the miles for a Partner Award in First to Asia, that's a pretty incredible deal.

If you're using the miles for two Envoy or Business Awards to Europe, you can do it $50 cheaper by getting to 80k in each account (and booking the tickets separately) instead of 160k in one. Buy 20k in each, then transfer 40k A->B and B->A.

ikura
Nov 16, 09, 9:40 am
Same problem here. I bought 50k about 16 hours ago, no e-mail confirmation nor fresh miles in my account yet...... :mad:

Just a follow-up on this one:

I called US Airways about the purchase, and spoke to THE most clueless airline/hotel chain/insert-anything-here agent I've ever talked to EVER. I kept repeating that I was missing miles that I bought yesterday, while he was constantly talking jibberish about some confirmation I would get "24 hours before the scheduled flight". He also seemed totally uninterested in helping out, and kept taking long breaks during the call where it seemed like he was just lounging on the other end. Is this the standard of US Airways' representatives?

Beckles
Nov 16, 09, 9:58 am
Just to clarify before making any transactions,

Whats the cheapest way to get 160k miles into one account when having 2 accounts each with 0 miles?You want to minimize the number you buy and maximize the number you share, so I think it would be:

Buy 43,000 miles -> 86,000 miles - $1,185.63
Share 25,000 miles -> 50,000 miles in second account, 61,000 miles in first account - $298.75
Share 50,000 miles back to first account -> 0 miles in second account, 161,000 miles in first account - $567.50

$2,051.88 total

Crille
Nov 16, 09, 10:03 am
The cheapest way to get 160k miles in account A when account A and B both start with 0:

1) Buy 30k miles in A. (Results in 60k. Cost: $836.25.)
2) Buy 25k miles in B. (Results in 50k. Cost: $701.88)
3) Share 50k from B to A. (Adds 100k to A, bringing it to 60k, depleting the miles from B. Cost: $567.50)

Total Cost: $2105.63 (1.3cpm)

If you're using the miles for a Partner Award in First to Asia, that's a pretty incredible deal.

If you're using the miles for two Envoy or Business Awards to Europe, you can do it $50 cheaper by getting to 80k in each account (and booking the tickets separately) instead of 160k in one. Buy 20k in each, then transfer 40k A->B and B->A.

Thanks MichaelColey! Really appreciate it.

My idea is to use it for two C class awards from Europe to the US. However, I've learnt that booking a *Alliance award (mine includes multiple carriers and legs) is very difficult, and that you might have to try more than one time to get the routing accepted. That's why I wanted to book two tickets from one account, so that I don't have to go through the hassle twice. Or is there a way around this?

Cheers

vysean
Nov 16, 09, 10:05 am
Is this the standard of US Airways' representatives?

Not in my experience, though as with all elements of US Airways, inconsistency is the standard operating procedure.

Are you calling reservations or the Dividend Miles Service Center?

Have you considered calling points.com, as they're the ones administering the program?

I shared 10k last night and the transaction was immediate. I then shared an additional 20k, and while I could see the transaction listed in the "Your Miles" page within five minutes of doing so, it took 12 hours to update my mileage balance in the various places where it displays said balance.

lelee
Nov 16, 09, 10:05 am
Just to clarify before making any transactions,

Whats the cheapest way to get 160k miles into one account when having 2 accounts each with 0 miles?


Thanks guys^

I think the cheapest way is to SHARE miles as much as possible, then buy the rest. But you will need to find a swap partner (SWAPEE :))

1) share 50k with partner into A. (Results in 100k. Cost: $567.50)
2) buy 30k into A (Results in 60k. Cost: $836.25)

Crille
Nov 16, 09, 10:12 am
I think the cheapest way is to SHARE miles as much as possible, then buy the rest. But you will need to find a swap partner (SWAPEE :))

1) share 50k with partner into A. (Results in 100k. Cost: $567.50)
2) buy 30k into A (Results in 60k. Cost: $836.25)

That would of course be the best solution :)

Anyone here willing to share? :)

Thanks

MichaelColey
Nov 16, 09, 10:14 am
My idea is to use it for two C class awards from Europe to the US. However, I've learnt that booking a *Alliance award (mine includes multiple carriers and legs) is very difficult, and that you might have to try more than one time to get the routing accepted. That's why I wanted to book two tickets from one account, so that I don't have to go through the hassle twice. Or is there a way around this?You're probably right that it's best to try to book the two tickets out of one account. I'm sure it's worth the minimal price difference of accumulating 160k in one or 80k each in two.

Make sure to look at Beckles' method for getting 160k in one - it's a little cheaper than mine.

vysean
Nov 16, 09, 10:19 am
However, I've learnt that booking a *Alliance award (mine includes multiple carriers and legs) is very difficult, and that you might have to try more than one time to get the routing accepted. That's why I wanted to book two tickets from one account, so that I don't have to go through the hassle twice. Or is there a way around this?

Cheers

It is true that you might have to call multiple times to get it, but I personally wouldn't consider it very difficult. For those of you calling from outside the US, it could be costly, although by comparison to booking the same award with say LH or a carrier that charges YQ, you're saving a small fortune.

As for booking from one account or two, I'd say it's a wash. You can tell them you're booking two awards with the same routing and wish to pull miles from two accounts - it's not a problem. The only possible reason to not do so would be if they charge multiple award processing fees if miles are pulled from multiple accounts.

It's not clear from the fees chart how that would work, but I'm certain someone here knows from experience - http://www2.usairways.com/en-US/dividendmiles/usemiles/booktravel.html

Beckles
Nov 16, 09, 10:24 am
Make sure to look at Beckles' method for getting 160k in one - it's a little cheaper than mine.You also get 1,000 more miles ;)

Note that my method is cheaper even than getting 80k in two anyway (by a whopping $3.12 ... plus you get the 1,000 more miles!).

mvjs
Nov 17, 09, 12:11 am
I've just purchased some 50k and they have not showed up as of yet.

ArizonaGuy
Nov 17, 09, 12:43 am
If you've bought miles and they haven't showed up - before really wondering if something went wrong, make sure you're not relying on the total miles in the upper right corner of the US site to dynamically update. Either go to "My Account" and look there at the total, or log out and log back in.

The total in the upper right corner will not update until you log out. The "My Account" details will update without logging out if you refresh the page, however.

mvjs
Nov 17, 09, 1:34 am
If you've bought miles and they haven't showed up - before really wondering if something went wrong, make sure you're not relying on the total miles in the upper right corner of the US site to dynamically update. Either go to "My Account" and look there at the total, or log out and log back in.

The total in the upper right corner will not update until you log out. The "My Account" details will update without logging out if you refresh the page, however.

Haven't showed up whatsoever in my account; tried logging in and out, different pages, etc.

gottaluvNW
Nov 17, 09, 10:48 am
This may be obvious to some, not to all. Before you do your mile transactions, verify that your award seats are actually available on the flights you are interested in. Secondly, note that US charges $250 per award ticket change as a fee. Finally, mileage levels go up on January 6 - purchase before this date.

Bottom line - if you are unsure of your EXACT itineraries, its not necessarily a good deal... fees can add up quickly. Finally, what are your liabilities if one of the airlines goes belly up? Are you prepared to risk this?

Good luck!

vysean
Nov 17, 09, 11:09 am
This may be obvious to some, not to all. Before you do your mile transactions, verify that your award seats are actually available on the flights you are interested in. Secondly, note that US charges $250 per award ticket change as a fee. Finally, mileage levels go up on January 6 - purchase before this date.

Bottom line - if you are unsure of your EXACT itineraries, its not necessarily a good deal... fees can add up quickly. Finally, what are your liabilities if one of the airlines goes belly up? Are you prepared to risk this?

Good luck!

All very good points. The change fees and redeposit fees can be especially onerous, so I wouldn't book anything unless I was absolutely certain that I could make the trip and was happy with the routing, or unless I was prepared to spend $250.

Boddingtons
Nov 18, 09, 12:35 am
Just a follow-up on this one:

I called US Airways about the purchase, and spoke to THE most clueless airline/hotel chain/insert-anything-here agent I've ever talked to EVER. I kept repeating that I was missing miles that I bought yesterday, while he was constantly talking jibberish about some confirmation I would get "24 hours before the scheduled flight". He also seemed totally uninterested in helping out, and kept taking long breaks during the call where it seemed like he was just lounging on the other end. Is this the standard of US Airways' representatives?

Haven't showed up whatsoever in my account; tried logging in and out, different pages, etc.

I've had absolute murder with this - bought 50/100k miles and they are "lost" somewhere - although I have a Points.com confirmation number and an authorisation on the Amex card used - albeit no email. US can't search using the Points.com reference and any attempt at speaking with points.com will get you nowhere - they wash their hands of it and tell you to sort it out with the airline. I was quite literally thrown from pillar to post.

I wasted about 7 hours on the phone over the weekend talking to a bunch of absolute cretins who quite frankly talked nothing but rubbish. One told me I should have received an eticket number and a confirmation for my miles purchase!!! one minute I'm being told it'll be resolved within 24hrs, next minute I'm told to wait 10 days for an investigation which was completely unacceptable given the short time frame before departure on the reservation on hold - had to rebook it three times!!. Anyhow, I eventually got through to a supervisor who agreed that if I purchased another 50k, they would refund my credit card if the charge for the first chunk of miles actually hit. Lets see, eh!

Thankfully the second purchase hit straight away and I received a confirmation email unlike first time round and I was able to go ahead and have the reservation ticketed.

rrgg
Nov 18, 09, 9:15 am
I don't know if this matters, but points.com does not allow transfers INTO a DM account if the zip code doesn't match. This is even true if your account has a 4-digit extension on file, but you only enter a 5-digit zip code for the transfer. Since the Buy/Gift/Share is through points.com, this could be causing someone a problem. I think the same is true for the MagsForMiles program.

upsidedown
Nov 18, 09, 10:24 pm
Person A has 10k miles that expired and can be reinstated for $100.
Person A shares the 10k miles with person B.
Person B shares 25k miles with person C.
Person C shares 50k miles with person B.

We are all related so there are no issues.

I think the costs are:

Reinstate 100 miles = $100
Share 25k = $280
Share 50k - $530

So net gain of 85k miles for $810 or less than 1 penny / mile (.0095).

We mainly use miles for coach tix in the US and to Europe.

thyeri
Nov 19, 09, 9:27 am
Same problem here...
bought 50/100 miles 8h ago and nothing is on my account... and would like to fly tomorrow from HKG lol...

Called US Airways that told me to call Points.com. Then I wait 9am ET to call Points.com, that tell me right away that there is nothing they can do, even if it says the purchase was processed with Points.com. I have to contact US Airways.

So I called again US Airways, with confirmation number, everything... she tells me that there is nothing she can do, I have to wait 24h and miles will appear on the account.

So right now I am packing but still don't know if I will make it on the flight :-/
:rolleyes:

vysean
Nov 19, 09, 10:45 am
Same problem here...
bought 50/100 miles 8h ago and nothing is on my account... and would like to fly tomorrow from HKG lol...

Called US Airways that told me to call Points.com. Then I wait 9am ET to call Points.com, that tell me right away that there is nothing they can do, even if it says the purchase was processed with Points.com. I have to contact US Airways.

So I called again US Airways, with confirmation number, everything... she tells me that there is nothing she can do, I have to wait 24h and miles will appear on the account.

So right now I am packing but still don't know if I will make it on the flight :-/
:rolleyes:

thyeri - not sure why there is so much inconsistency on miles crediting. Is it possible you have the postal code problem referenced above?

You might also simply try ordering another batch of miles (see Boddingtons' post) in the off chance that they credit immediately.

HCA
Nov 19, 09, 10:55 pm
Has any FTer already MAX the 50k transfer bonus can try to attempt transfer to another account which did not receive bonus to see if the limit is only to receiver?
(Or, already done 40k transfer out and trying for another 20k transfer out..)
I really need to confirm this info before the miles stuck in one of the accounts.

Surely, you can PM me to have the receiver's account to try.

Thanks for the help.

Sign... Finally find out by my own.
It should be no problam for A 40k -> B, A 40k -> C, both B and C should get 40k bonus. Thus the bonus limit is based on the recipients and there is no limit for the one to transfer out.

It cost me $86 to confirm (use more transaction to avoid transfer out limitation). I hope this helps others.

fijaircan
Nov 19, 09, 11:55 pm
Same problem here...
bought 50/100 miles 8h ago and nothing is on my account... and would like to fly tomorrow from HKG lol...

Called US Airways that told me to call Points.com. Then I wait 9am ET to call Points.com, that tell me right away that there is nothing they can do, even if it says the purchase was processed with Points.com. I have to contact US Airways.

So I called again US Airways, with confirmation number, everything... she tells me that there is nothing she can do, I have to wait 24h and miles will appear on the account.

So right now I am packing but still don't know if I will make it on the flight :-/
:rolleyes:

I had the exact same problem but mine was because I had opened my account on Nov 7th and was trying to buy miles on the the 17th (the system wouldn't allow purchase on the 16th but allowed it on the 17th - so I thought I was good to go - had the conf# and everything). I phoned US Air with the conf# but all they said was wait 24 hours and the miles would show - it didn't.

What I find out later was that I should have waited until the 18th to purchase - which I did and everything showed up in the account within minutes.

kats
Nov 23, 09, 7:32 am
What I find out later was that I should have waited until the 18th to purchase - which I did and everything showed up in the account within minutes.

Did you get the bonus miles posted too?

fijaircan
Nov 23, 09, 11:38 pm
Did you get the bonus miles posted too?

Yes, within minutes.

MarioRossi
Nov 24, 09, 4:09 am
Hi,

read through all the pages and hope I understood everything.
Wanna get enough miles for two First tickets from Europe to SAmerica. Would the following work:


Account A has 43,000 miles

Account A shares 25,000 with Account B = A=18 / B=50
B shares 50 with C = B=0 / C=100
C shares 50 with D = C=50 / D=100
C shares 50 with A = C=0 / A=118

A buys 12 and D buys 30 miles.

Does this work? Appreciate your help!

pogonation
Nov 24, 09, 4:21 am
Hi,

read through all the pages and hope I understood everything.
Wanna get enough miles for two First tickets from Europe to SAmerica. Would the following work:


Account A has 43,000 miles

Account A shares 25,000 with Account B = A=18 / B=50
B shares 50 with C = B=0 / C=100
C shares 50 with D = C=50 / D=100
C shares 50 with A = C=0 / A=118

A buys 12 and D buys 30 miles.

Does this work? Appreciate your help!

This works but there is currently the bonus on buying miles as well so you would have to buy 6k and 15k as opposed to 12k and 30k ^

MarioRossi
Nov 24, 09, 4:55 am
This works but there is currently the bonus on buying miles as well so you would have to buy 6k and 15k as opposed to 12k and 30k ^

Thanks for the clarification, pogo :) With all this sharing back and forth and calculating I completely overlooked the bonus miles for the buy transaction. All the better, makes it cheaper :)

kats
Nov 24, 09, 7:38 am
I am concerned about T&C saying "Only the first 50,000 miles purchased for each of the buy, share or gift miles services will qualify for the Double Miles Bonus."

Does this not mean only the first 50k will qualify for the bonus even for sharing miles? I am thinking of transferring out my 200,000 miles to 4 recipients, 50K each to make the total 400K. Has anybody actually received the bonus on multiple accounts from one sender?

yanxfann
Nov 24, 09, 9:01 am
This promo gave us the unexpected opportunity to get rid of approx 25K miles that until now we'd considered to be essentially "dead". Thru the years we'd tried numerous times to redeem them for a free coach domestic R/T but had never found availability for our desired dates. By chance the miles were due to expire by the end of the month and I was preparing to buy an unneeded iTune from the Dividend Miles Shopping Mall just to keep them alive for a few more years, however the current Share Miles bonus promo gave us the opportunity to transfer them to a longtime business associate who made us an offer we couldn't refuse, after fees we ended up with items in return with a value of almost 1.5 cent/mile.

If you too have USAirways miles that you doubt you'll ever be able to redeem you might want to consider posting them on the Coupon Connection as there may be people looking for Share Miles.

jghassell
Nov 24, 09, 8:39 pm
I just "shared" 21,000 miles from my wife, who manages to accumulate about 500 miles per year, with myself. 42,000 miles for $255 isn't a bad deal either--not the best, but then again it rescues some orphaned miles and unlocks some partner awards when combined with my miles. ^



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