US Airways Dividend Miles - (as of 31OCT09) US drops 12 Cities from Las Vegas (3 in Canada)

Detailed flight cuts for Las Vegas appears to be updated on 31OCT09. Although I wasn't sure if some of these cuts were planned already before the announcement earlier in the week.

I check the timetable, general availability, and US Airways inventory in the GDS, so this should be accurate as of now.

http://airlineroute.net/2009/10/31/us-las-cuts/



Las Vegas – Boston Reduce from 2 to 1 Daily from 01DEC09
Las Vegas – Chicago CANCELLED eff 11FEB10 (currently 3 Daily)
Las Vegas – Detroit CANCELLED eff 01DEC09 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Edmonton CANCELLED eff 16DEC09 (currently 1 Daily Express)
Las Vegas – Fresno Reduced from 2 to 1 Daily eff 17DEC09
Las Vegas – Ft. Lauderdale CANCELLED eff 11FEB10 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Los Angeles Service adjustment. eff 04JAN10 5 Daily MAINLINE A319 replace 2 Daily MAINLINE and 4 Daily Express
Las Vegas – Minneapolis TEMPORARY SUSPENSION 01DEC09 to 03JAN10
Las Vegas – Orlando CANCELLED eff 11FEB10 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Sacramento CANCELLED eff 02DEC09 (currently 2 Daily)
Las Vegas – San Diego CANCELLED eff 04JAN10 (currently 3 Daily Express)
Las Vegas – San Jose CA CANCELLED eff 02DEC09 (currently 2 Daily)
Las Vegas – Santa Ana 04JAN10 – 10FEB10 6 Daily MAINLINE replace Express service. All service CANCELLED eff 11FEB10
Las Vegas – Seattle CANCELLED eff 02DEC09 (currently up to 3 Daily)
Las Vegas – Toronto CANCELLED eff 23NOV09 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Vancouver CANCELLED eff 01DEC09 (planned resumption from 16DEC09, shelved)

Will definitely miss the ORD-LAS flights. I hate to see LAS so empty. I wish I could snap my fingers and go back in time to July 2006. I just boarded a LAS-ORD flight, after speaking to various gate agents. They are all being furloughed their in mid-February. Such nice people. I feel really bad for them. Completely spoiled my mood, but I wished them all well. They were offered positions on East coast!? I like US, but come on? Like I said, I wish them well. Could be my last flight to LAS for a long time. I'm sad about the whole situation. :(

-Kinglobjaw

I'm sure you will all disagree with me but...

...how could we not expect to see Vegas take a hit when our Federal government is telling, literally telling, private companies they cannot go to Vegas for conferences and meetings and our President demonizes the city? That's not all of it, but it also is not at least in part to blame. Let's all go to Detroit instead for our meetings and conventions...bring your kevlar vest.

Had I not recently quit my job to go back to school, I would be ape s*%t about all the cuts that US has made to Las Vegas. For a while there, I switched over to DL when US stopped awarding bonus miles to their elite fliers but then switched back when US realized that they have alienated their bread and butter.

To all those based in LAS, and avid fliers of US, I wish you all the best of luck in your travels and connectins in PHL, CLT and PHX.

I'm sure you will all disagree with me but...

...how could we not expect to see Vegas take a hit when our Federal government is telling, literally telling, private companies they cannot go to Vegas for conferences and meetings and our President demonizes the city? That's not all of it, but it also is not at least in part to blame. Let's all go to Detroit instead for our meetings and conventions...bring your kevlar vest.

+1. How many of those jobs did Obama save or create?

I'm asking a legitimate question here...
With Continental now in the Star Alliance, is there a little revenue "realignment" going on? Any CO routes take a hit?

Eileen

+1. How many of those jobs did Obama save or create?

He didn't save any at all...I saved all of them. Prove I did not, and he did!

I'm sure you will all disagree with me but...

...literally telling, private companies they cannot go to Vegas for conferences and meetings

:rolleyes:

Please tell us when the president said that all private companies have to avoid LAS for conventions? He was only referring to companies that took federal bailout money.


That's not all of it, but it also is not at least in part to blame.


I doubt that the Presidents statements played any measurable part in US' LAS reductions. The number of companies we're talking about are few when compared to the number of corporate and industy related conferences in the nation.

This drawdown, which truthfully started before the economic crisis, is purely a matter of US staying profitable(or alive). Sorry but your anti-Obama argument doesnt fly.

Let's all go to Detroit instead for our meetings and conventions

Companies can go whereever they want. However, if a company pleads poverty and asks for my tax dollars, they better be able to justify any convention costs. Funding some companies Vegas jaunt is not how I want my tax dollars spent.

If DTW isnt to your liking then how about CLE?

:rolleyes:

Please tell us when the president said that all private companies have to avoid LAS for conventions? He was only referring to companies that took federal bailout money.

Uttered almost those exact words on 2/11/09. While it was meant for "bailed out" companies - it's VERY clear that others took the "advice" quite seriously. Even though LAS was often less expensive than alternatives. TO day that it was an "only applies to these people but not anyone else" is short sighted at best.

Policies aside - it was quite foolish to make such a statement about a place that was being pretty hard hit. Without question it has hurt travel and tourism in LAS. Would it have changed US' actions? I don't know that we'll ever know - but it certainly didn't help.

US Airways abandoment of Las Vegas is a HUGE victory for Southwest, which now will totally dominate the O and D market. We can add Las Vegas to Baltimore and the California intrastate market to the list of major retrechments US Airways has made when faced with SW competition.

Detailed flight cuts for Las Vegas appears to be updated on 31OCT09. Although I wasn't sure if some of these cuts were planned already before the announcement earlier in the week.

I check the timetable, general availability, and US Airways inventory in the GDS, so this should be accurate as of now.

http://airlineroute.net/2009/10/31/us-las-cuts/



Las Vegas – Boston Reduce from 2 to 1 Daily from 01DEC09
Las Vegas – Chicago CANCELLED eff 11FEB10 (currently 3 Daily)
Las Vegas – Detroit CANCELLED eff 01DEC09 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Edmonton CANCELLED eff 16DEC09 (currently 1 Daily Express)
Las Vegas – Fresno Reduced from 2 to 1 Daily eff 17DEC09
Las Vegas – Ft. Lauderdale CANCELLED eff 11FEB10 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Los Angeles Service adjustment. eff 04JAN10 5 Daily MAINLINE A319 replace 2 Daily MAINLINE and 4 Daily Express
Las Vegas – Minneapolis TEMPORARY SUSPENSION 01DEC09 to 03JAN10
Las Vegas – Orlando CANCELLED eff 11FEB10 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Sacramento CANCELLED eff 02DEC09 (currently 2 Daily)
Las Vegas – San Diego CANCELLED eff 04JAN10 (currently 3 Daily Express)
Las Vegas – San Jose CA CANCELLED eff 02DEC09 (currently 2 Daily)
Las Vegas – Santa Ana 04JAN10 – 10FEB10 6 Daily MAINLINE replace Express service. All service CANCELLED eff 11FEB10
Las Vegas – Seattle CANCELLED eff 02DEC09 (currently up to 3 Daily)
Las Vegas – Toronto CANCELLED eff 23NOV09 (currently 1 Daily)
Las Vegas – Vancouver CANCELLED eff 01DEC09 (planned resumption from 16DEC09, shelved)




While I realize US is cutting LAS service, and has been for a while--this is pretty amazing and I initially questioned some of this. I am booked on a flight LAS-SJC on Dec 4th, after the supposed cancellation of that service...and sure enough, that itinerary is subject to a schedule change--they have inexplicably routed me SNA-LAS-PHX-SJC which is pretty ridiculous. I am too tired to deal with this now but I will expect they will rebook me SNA-PHX-SJC.

As a SNA based flyer, I have followed the cutback on LAS service to RJs closely--last I checked mainline service was set to resume 1/2/10. According to this, mainline service resumes on Feb 10th, but then US cancels ALL service as of Feb 11th? This doesn't make much sense...but then again, trying to book flights departing Feb 10, returning Feb 11th, I find the routing on the 11th is LAS-PHX-SNA.

What on earth is US going to do with these slots at SNA? Give them up? Furthermore, I am wondering if chasing Chariman's this year was a mistake given that I will lose so many connecting options through LAS. I was assuming mainline service would resume Jan 2 and I would have easy upgrades and a mini hub at LAS, but it appears as though all of that is going away and any travel on US will be via PHX. At least the PHX clubs will be serving free booze (starting yesterday, supposedly.)

According to this, mainline service resumes on Feb 10th, but then US cancels ALL service as of Feb 11th? This doesn't make much sense...

I read it somewhat differently - mainline replaces USX Jan 4 - Feb 10 and all service ends on Feb 11. I assume that the Feb 11 service is only outbound from SNA as the crews/planes that overnighted there depart.

I can only guess why mainline replaces USX that last month+. Since it appears that USX carriers will mainly be repositioning their flying (cutting in the west and adding in the east), maybe that gives them a chance to move employees/planes before the closing of the LAS mainline crew base and furloughing mainline crewmembers system wide.

Jim

As for slots at SNA, US could profitably run 2 non-stops per day to SEA.

US Airways abandoment of Las Vegas is a HUGE victory for Southwest, which now will totally dominate the O and D market. We can add Las Vegas to Baltimore and the California intrastate market to the list of major retrechments US Airways has made when faced with SW competition.

Wow, we've seen recently that SNA-LAS is only worth $25 each way. Let WN have the WHOLE market.

Wow, we've seen recently that SNA-LAS is only worth $25 each way. Let WN have the WHOLE market.

That's the US (and legacy) problem in a nutshell. While the $25 fares are only tempory, they're about or just slightly below WN's breakeven point at just over 11 cents/seat mile.

Jim

I read it somewhat differently - mainline replaces USX Jan 4 - Feb 10 and all service ends on Feb 11. I assume that the Feb 11 service is only outbound from SNA as the crews/planes that overnighted there depart.

I can only guess why mainline replaces USX that last month+. Since it appears that USX carriers will mainly be repositioning their flying (cutting in the west and adding in the east), maybe that gives them a chance to move employees/planes before the closing of the LAS mainline crew base and furloughing mainline crewmembers system wide.

Jim

You read it correctly, and your reasoning seems logical. I imagine WN will be able to raise prices beyond $25 after Feb 11th, when 6 daily flights SNA-LAS go away...

We can add ...... and the California intrastate market to the list of major retrechments US Airways has made when faced with SW competition.

HP(pre & post merger) was never a player in the intra-california market. Other than LAX being a focus city for a short time, they never had a hub in california that would facilitate intra-CA or intra-west coast flights.

HP(pre & post merger) was never a player in the intra-california market. Other than LAX being a focus city for a short time, they never had a hub in california that would facilitate intra-CA or intra-west coast flights.

I think the comment was in reference to the post-PSA merger days of the late '80s and early '90s when US (pre-HP) was a major, if not the major, intra-CA carrier with major operations at LAX, SFO and SAN.

As for post-PSA merger US operations, the problem was that US couldn't charge the obscene fares that they were charging on the East Coast at the time. They had NO real West Coast strategy. At the same time, WN had purchased Morris Air and was busy expanding on the West Coast. The rest is history.

:rolleyes:

Please tell us when the president said that all private companies have to avoid LAS for conventions? He was only referring to companies that took federal bailout money.



I doubt that the Presidents statements played any measurable part in US' LAS reductions. The number of companies we're talking about are few when compared to the number of corporate and industy related conferences in the nation.

This drawdown, which truthfully started before the economic crisis, is purely a matter of US staying profitable(or alive). Sorry but your anti-Obama argument doesnt fly.



Companies can go whereever they want. However, if a company pleads poverty and asks for my tax dollars, they better be able to justify any convention costs. Funding some companies Vegas jaunt is not how I want my tax dollars spent.

If DTW isnt to your liking then how about CLE?

Let's not be naive here. I won't bother responding as you won't be honest in your assessment. But why would I think that someone who wants to dictate my healthcare, the car I drive, the light bulbs I use, the food I eat would take the slightest interest in what I do with the limited $ I have left after he returns it to its rightful owners...point well taken.

And the LAS flights(at least out of here) are always full. Good luck to all.

I'm sure you will all disagree with me but...

...how could we not expect to see Vegas take a hit when our Federal government is telling, literally telling, private companies they cannot go to Vegas for conferences and meetings and our President demonizes the city? That's not all of it, but it also is not at least in part to blame. Let's all go to Detroit instead for our meetings and conventions...bring your kevlar vest.

+2!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!

And the LAS flights(at least out of here) are always full. Good luck to all.

Exactly, which is why I don't get this move. I've been saying for years that if US is not making money in/out of Vegas the problem is their pricing, not the capacity. Vegas flights to CLT, PHL, and DCA -- and my guess is the Florida flights too -- are always jam packed. So how can they be losing money unless the prices are too low? Prices for WN flights from LAS to east coast are usually 25-50% higher than US. So this is not a low fare competition where they are beaten by WN and Jet Blue. The problem is failing to price properly. And I say that as a guy that flies out of LAS 15 times a year. I'd prefer to pay more and keep all the routes healthy. (Which benefits me as a CP and loyal US customer since the 3 airports I use most often are served by US).

And in case US didn't notice, Vegas is struggling but the reason for that is reduced spend, not (significantly) reduced capacity. People are still coming but they are spending less. And they are tempted by rock bottom room rates, which are only getting lower (City Center opening will help that even more). Now is the time to build capacity to/from Vegas, not cut. The airlines will profit from the Vegas overcapacity crisis if they play their cards right. MGM, HET, WYNN, and LVS will be the ones taking the heat for the next few years. The airlines flying in and out of Vegas should all do splendidly.