Midwest Airlines Midwest Miles - Definative last flights of 717's

Can anyone tell when/where the last 717 flights will be?:confused:

Well, I know you can get on one of the last 717's on the MKE-BOS route...During the month of October they are flying a 717 on that last flight from MKE to BOS during the day (7:40pm) and it is kept overnight in BOS and is the first flight out (6:45am) the next day before November 2nd.

If you look at the schedule for November 2nd between BOS and MKE...You will see that there are 2 return flights from BOS with the 717 because they need to get it back to MKE for the return to Boeing on November 3rd...so if you start in BOS, then you can take the 6:45am flight or the 4:20pm flight.

That 4:20pm flight from BOS to MKE is the last flight for one of those 5 remaining 717's...I am not sure what the last flights are for the other 4 planes left in the fleet.

I have seen a bumper sticker on a pilot's briefcase that says "RIP Midwest Pilots and Flight Attendants...November 3rd, 2009".

As many of us know on this board November 3rd is when the 717's are going to be returned.

Can anyone tell when/where the last 717 flights will be?:confused:

You can probably get an answer from

http://twitter.com/midwestairlines

They are very responsive.

That 4:20pm flight from BOS to MKE is the last flight for one of those 5 remaining 717's...I am not sure what the last flights are for the other 4 planes left in the fleet.


The other 4 have already been removed from service.

You can probably get an answer from

http://twitter.com/midwestairlines

They are very responsive.

I'll just answer you here.

The last flight of the Boeing 717 will be Flight 210 BOS-MKE November 2nd at 8:05 PM.

The other 4 have already been removed from service.

There at at least 2 still flying, I want to say 920ME and 904ME

At least three still flying...these 3 were in the air at the same time. I know there was a 4th in the air, but I don't have the time to track it down right now.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP4

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP605

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP331

Which routes will be 717 over the weekend? Will MKE-MCI & MCI-SEA still be 717? I was going to take a quick trip before end, & I noticed a couple of other flights listed on Orbitz as 717 equipment changed to small planes yesterday.

I'd like to place a request for a trip report to anyone flying on one of the remaining 717s over this last week.

Thanks in advance.

I juggled my next work trip a bit and will be flying YX home from on Friday 30 Oct MKE-MCI-SEA, fl 450 & 89, both still scheduled as 717's. Will try to get some decent pix & video.

Just over a year ago I managed to fly MCO-MKE on the second to last MD-80 flight (N814), then rented a car to get to Green Bay.

It seems that every year another neat aircraft or airline disappears.

I'll be on the BOS to MKE 6:45am flight this Thursday, which will be my last trip on the 717...Looking on-line at seat availability it looks wide open for those interested in trying to make it...I believe after we arrive in MKE it goes on to Tampa at like 8:50am out of MKE, I am not totally sure on that though.

I'm on YX1 on 10/31, MKE-LGA. Certainly my last YX 717 flight...

The seatmaps for the remaining 717 flights look very strange; the Saver seats are not in scale.

It makes for one very strange-looking aircraft, with the "A" seats over the fuselage.

Update:
It looks the problem is fixed.

Last Flight:

Midwest's last Boeing 717 flight will arrive in Milwaukee from Boston at 9:40 p.m. on Monday, Nov. 2. The Milwaukee airport will perform a water cannon salute for the arriving plane.

Last Flight:

Midwest's last Boeing 717 flight will arrive in Milwaukee from Boston at 9:40 p.m. on Monday, Nov. 2. The Milwaukee airport will perform a water cannon salute for the arriving plane.

Thanks for the confirmation...That's what I had thought when I posted the schedule for the BOS-MKE 717 a couple of days ago.

My last flight this morning on the 717 was really smooth and was also the last flight for one of the flight attendent's, obviously being her last day...Today's approaches into MKE were from the North, so it was really nice sitting on the right side of the plane, being able to see the entire city when we turned south for the airport around White Fish Bay/Fox Point.

The flight only had 30 people on board so I now understand why Knope's load factors for the flights between BOS-MKE are what they are.

After being on the E190 and spending lot's of time on the E170, I will miss the sizeable seats on the 717...I have been on one flight on the A319 and enjoy the TV, but we will see how Republic continues to utilize it on the old 717 routes. From what I see the loads on that last flight on Thursday night between BOS-MKE are a little light, when they used to be pretty full with the E170 earlier this year.

Has anyone heard anything on the negotiations between the pilots/flight attendants and Republic? I heard a couple of weeks ago that they were sitting down to see if they could workout a deal for them to work on the A319's or E190's and be MKE based crews seeing as Republic doesnt have any MKE based crews and they will need them in the future.

Funny you should ask. The Frontier pilots were told awhile back that they would be operating as a standalone carrier. Well, I guess that has now changed and Republic wants to combine all carriers under one seniority list. The pilots of YX and F9 met last week and when they heard that the intention was to combine seniority list's they walked out and said they were going to consult their lawyers. This is going to get interesting.

Funny you should ask. The Frontier pilots were told awhile back that they would be operating as a standalone carrier. Well, I guess that has now changed and Republic wants to combine all carriers under one seniority list.

Haha - what a surprise. Guess the Frontier pilots should not have been so uppity with Southwest.

I guess we know how well the acquisition worked out for the Midwest Pilots. Faustian bargains have a way of not working out. :D

Haha - what a surprise. Guess the Frontier pilots should not have been so uppity with Southwest.


I think the F9 pilots were simply pragmatic: They preferred possible doom (Republic) over certain doom (Southwest).

F9 pilots have leverage with Republic that Midwest pilots did not--they fly aircraft that Republic wants to continue flying.

Funny you should ask. The Frontier pilots were told awhile back that they would be operating as a standalone carrier. Well, I guess that has now changed and Republic wants to combine all carriers under one seniority list. The pilots of YX and F9 met last week and when they heard that the intention was to combine seniority list's they walked out and said they were going to consult their lawyers. This is going to get interesting.

I've never understood the seniority list thing.
The absolute most fair way of doing it is by hire date. Of course unions don't want to see it that way. Having the most complicated way of doing things. One group will always get the short end of the stick and no one will ever be happy.

I think the F9 pilots were simply pragmatic: They preferred possible doom (Republic) over certain doom (Southwest).

F9 pilots have leverage with Republic that Midwest pilots did not--they fly aircraft that Republic wants to continue flying.

Good points, but neither you, nor I, nor any of the pilot groups have a crystal ball.

To your analysis I'd add certain doom for some, huge win for some (Southwest). Southwest pilots are amongst the best paid in the industry.

It wasn't like the F9 Unionized employees didn't know. We (RAH/Teamsters) have a clause in our contract that states that All (and i do mean ALL) flying that is done by a RAH company (and all companies that are more than 80% owned by RAH) must be on the same seniority list and contract. BB made his intention know that he wanted to keep F9 separate and (he has yet to ask formally) for relief from the union.

Since F9 Pilots are unionized they know the importance of the request that BB was making and they know that if they are kept separate there is nothing that could stop BB from creating yet another company with lower wages and possibly no unions at all. Truths88 I would like to know where you got that the pilot groups walked out because none of the pilots groups have formally met to discuss integration. The flight attendant groups on the other hand have met and will be going to arbitration as soon as a mediator can be selected. As for the other work groups they are working through their particular contractual obligations (ie dispatchers and mechanics).

The RAH flight attendant union has filed for single carrier status for the YX/F9 operation and that will start the integration process.

WIRunner date of hire isn't always the most fair way of integration. NW/DL did a relative seniority with their merger. US/HP shot themselves in the foot. and CHQ/S5 was a 1 for 5 I believe. Teamsters is pushing for Fair and equitable which is what our contracts states. Fair and Equitable to most of us (RAH) is a relative seniority with a fence around equipment and seat protection. If it goes to arbitration then it may well be DOH but that is the chance that the other two carriers are taking.

The last flight of the Boeing 717 will be Flight 210 BOS-MKE November 2nd at 8:05 PM.

I would like to see media coverage, with interviews of arriving passengers and crew.

I would like to see media coverage, with interviews of arriving passengers and crew.

We'll see if the news folks cover it. For most people, the real story is that it's the last flight from the original Midwest Airlines. Most folks probably don't care about the 717 in particular. FTers are the exception of course.

We'll see if the news folks cover it. For most people, the real story is that it's the last flight from the original Midwest Airlines. Most folks probably don't care about the 717 in particular. FTers are the exception of course.

Actually, I was thinking more of the human aspect.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/68119802.html

Makes note of the last 717 (and YX) flight.

According to YX302 on Airliners.net, the 717 will be receiving a Water Cannon Salute on arrival Monday. Someone get pictures/video! (I can't make it unfortunately)

Last night flying home from a friend's large Halloween party in Milwaukee, I was on Flight 207 from MKE to BOS. The gate agent made the announcement that this was the last outbound flight to Boston on the 717.

I just looked online, and it appears this is another 717 booked today. Perhaps she meant that was the last outbound flight for that crew.

We board the plane and pull back from the gate on time, and then the captain says that the left engine is running hot and we have to go back to the gate because maintenance needs to take a look at it. We all deplane and sit in the gate area.

About 30 minutes pass by and the gate agent makes the announcement that the current aircraft will not be returning to service. There is another inbound flight coming in and tell all of us to move to gate D36. Instead of our original departure of 4:20PM, we will now be taking off at 6:15PM from the new gate.

We board at 6:15PM on another 717 and there are no other mentions these are the last flights of the 717's.

I order a Bailey's as a send off to the 717! The cookies are excellent as always.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/members/lineman-albums-misc-picture1269-yxlastflight207.jpg

Was an uneventful flight, but we had an amazing night view of Boston for our approach into BOS. Our approach was from the west just north of Boston, out over the water to turn south and then turn back north to land.

I'll try and get some video for you guys.

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@ MCI right now. Saw a 717 not sure the tail number but Mr blurry cam did manage to get a photo.

I squeezed ikn a couple of minutes at SFO and pulled off Hwy. 101 south of the airport and watched from the spotting area as Flt. #228 SFO-MCI-MKE departed at 11:39 am. Perfect lighting and a clean plane, I just didn't have my photo gear handy. This would be the last YX 717 flight out of SFO. Flightaware shows it cruising onward to MCI at FL 350.

Here are some photos from last night:

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/YXLastFlight004.jpg

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/YXLastFlight005.jpg

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/YXLastFlight006.jpg

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s337/pilotfox/YXLastFlight007.jpg

I heard an interview with one of the Midwest Pilots that was on the last 717 flight on TMJ 620 radio this morning. He mentioned that representatives of other airlines were there to greet the last Midwest 717 flight like AirTran and Delta. He also described flying into MKE on a clear night. There was a lot of emotion to say the least. He finally indicated in hindsight that merging with AirTran probably would have been best for the Pilots.

Here are some photos from last night:



Great pics, Thanks for taking the time to share.

717 now deleted from "Plane Types" page on YX site. The E170 and E190 aircraft now show as "Midwest Airlines, Operated by Republic," while previously, only the 717 was shown as Midwest.

http://www.midwestairlines.com/AboutUs/PlaneTypes.aspx

And with the 717s goes Midwest as we knew it. Maybe we should rename this board Republic Airways

I'll post the video to my youtube channel and let you know when its up. I just have to cut it so its not too long.

ALPA's video to the midwest pilots and its other members. Pretty sad actually.

http://www.alpa.tv/DesktopModules/UltraVideoGallery/UltraVideoGallery.swf?vId=281&portalId=14

Five 717s were parked outside of the maintenance hangar Saturday afternoon. All but one had the "Midwest" tiles removed.

Five 717s were parked outside of the maintenance hangar Saturday afternoon. All but one had the "Midwest" tiles removed.

I drive by this afternoon, and saw at least 3 still there, one still with Midwest titles.

And with the 717s goes Midwest as we knew it. Maybe we should rename this board Republic Airways

Seriously ... one of the following names seems more appropriate, in light of the fleet as it now exists:
Republic Airways (dba Midwest Airlines)
Republic Airways (formerly Midwest Airlines)
"Midwest Airlines"

Airbus A319 (136 seats) Operated by Frontier Airlines

CRJ200 (50 seats) Operated by SkyWest Airlines d/b/a Midwest Connect

Embraer 135 (37 seats) Operated by Chautauqua Airlines d/b/a Midwest Connect

Embraer 145 (50 seats) Operated by Chautauqua Airlines d/b/a Midwest Connect

Embraer 170 (76 seats) Midwest Airlines, Operated by Republic

Embraer 190 Midwest Airlines, Operated by Republic

Great video...it was good to see the crew that was flying that last flight...I actually talked to that captain a few weeks back and had a discussion with him about the fate of the Midwest employees.

Is there any contempt on the Midwest employees part that Hoeksma didnt go with the Airtran offer initially instead of going with what he believed was the white knight offer from TPG/NWA?

There is obviously a lot of contempt for Republic in this video, but who led them up the summit and basically took them down the other side?

BTW, I too saw atleast four 717's outside the Midwest Hanger at about 6:30am this morning.

Is there any contempt on the Midwest employees part that Hoeksma didnt go with the Airtran offer initially instead of going with what he believed was the white knight offer from TPG/NWA?

There is obviously a lot of contempt for Republic in this video, but who led them up the summit and basically took them down the other side?

Pilots as a group are not risk takers (and this is a good thing). Certainly the pilots perceived the TPG/NW bid as less risky at the time. It was after all maintenance of the status quo.

I don't recall a peep out of the pilots either for or against the Air Tran bid.

And with the 717s goes Midwest as we knew it. Maybe we should rename this board Republic Airways

I think I recall BB saying during the 3Q conference call that the branding issue will be looked at in the future.

Pilots as a group are not risk takers (and this is a good thing). Certainly the pilots perceived the TPG/NW bid as less risky at the time. It was after all maintenance of the status quo.

I don't recall a peep out of the pilots either for or against the Air Tran bid.

The Midwest pilots came out against the AirTran bid, although it was very late in the game.

There is obviously a lot of contempt for Republic in this video, but who led them up the summit and basically took them down the other side?


Blame can be directed at both Midwest management and the unions.

Management obviously made some serious blunders that helped contribute to the down fall of the airline.

However, IMO the unions share some of the blame as well for adopting a scortched earth policy during the restructuring process and disclosing all of the company's dirty laundry to the media.

Everyone should have been working together towards finding reasonable compromises and trying to save the airline. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

I certainly don't blame Republic for what happened.

The Midwest pilots came out against the AirTran bid, although it was very late in the game.

Do you have a link to support this assertion? To the best of my recollection the pilots remained neutral, and the only link I could find indicates neutrality.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/29219279.html

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Do you have a link to support this assertion? To the best of my recollection the pilots remained neutral, and the only link I could find indicates neutrality.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/29219279.html

I'm pretty sure there was a press release issued but haven't been able to locate it yet.

The only thing I found so far was a story from the MKE FOX station during the summer of 2007 stating that the Midwest pilots may try to fight the AirTran buy-out.

If something turns up I'll post it.