Star Alliance - Which *A have (fuel) charges on reward trips?




caravaca
Oct 12, 09, 12:45 pm
I'm planning to use my SAS EuroBonus miles to take a long-haul trip from Sweden this winter. I'm thinking of either Australia, Singapore or California.

Which Star Alliance carriers should I try to use to get the lowest cost, i.e. which airlines have a similar fuel charge as SAS or are there other costs I need to consider when using a partner airline?


Jasper2009
Oct 12, 09, 1:00 pm
In which class are you travelling?

Generally speaking fuel surcharges tend to be higher with European and Asian carriers, AFAIK US is the only major carrier without a fuel surcharge on the international legs you are considering, the other North American carriers also arenīt that bad.

You can easily price out the taxes and surcharges for different routes doing a trial booking (e.g. ita software)

sbm12
Oct 12, 09, 1:02 pm
Are the surcharges dictated by the operating carrier, the ticketing FF program or some combination? I know that issuing a ticket from a USA-based program generally won't have the same surcharges as the same flights on an EU-based program's ticket.


Kiwi Flyer
Oct 12, 09, 1:47 pm
Are the surcharges dictated by the operating carrier, the ticketing FF program or some combination? I know that issuing a ticket from a USA-based program generally won't have the same surcharges as the same flights on an EU-based program's ticket.

Usually it is the ticketing airline that determines the charges, although there are some wrinkles (eg some airlines charge their level of fuel surcharges on all flights ticketed even if operated by other airlines, while other airlines only make a fuel surcharge on their own flights).

Jasper2009
Oct 12, 09, 1:50 pm
Are the surcharges dictated by the operating carrier, the ticketing FF program or some combination? I know that issuing a ticket from a USA-based program generally won't have the same surcharges as the same flights on an EU-based program's ticket.

From my experience the two aspects that determine the amount of fuel surcharges are:

- some carriers donīt have a fuel surcharge for domestic, inter-continental and/or international flights:
e. g. it doesnīt matter which FF program tickets an award LAX-SFO (flight operated by UA) as UA never charges a fuel surcharge on this route (there are quite a few carriers that donīt have fuel surcharges on domestic legs, but AFAIK US is the only carrier that doesnīt have a fuel surcharge on the international routes the OP is considering)

- if the operating carrier does have a fuel surcharge on that particular route, it depends on the ticketing FF program:
e. g. if you book an award FRA - SFO (flights operated by LH) with M&M, you get to pay the fuel surcharge of approximately 200€, if the award is ticketed by US Dividend Miles, you donīt have to pay any fuel surcharges, as US doesnīt collect any fuel surcharges for LH.

I donīt know which FF program collects the fuel surcharges for which airline, but generally you are right that the North American FF programs are far better than their European counterparts in this respect.

caravaca
Oct 12, 09, 3:14 pm
In which class are you travelling?
Thinking of C.

You can easily price out the taxes and surcharges for different routes doing a trial booking (e.g. ita software)
Tell me more... please. The only way I know to check the availability is through the ANA program, but it won't me allow to go that far since I don't have any ANA miles.

Usually it is the ticketing airline that determines the charges, although there are some wrinkles (eg some airlines charge their level of fuel surcharges on all flights ticketed even if operated by other airlines, while other airlines only make a fuel surcharge on their own flights).
So if I book through SK Eurobonus, I guess that SK will be the ticketing airline?

Jasper2009
Oct 12, 09, 3:29 pm
1) Thinking of C.

2) Tell me more... please. The only way I know to check the availability is through the ANA program, but it won't me allow to go that far since I don't have any ANA miles.

3) So if I book through SK Eurobonus, I guess that SK will be the ticketing airline?

1) If youīre flying C, I would not care too much about taxes and surcharges, but rather the airline you would like to fly.

BTW: Try to avoid flying through LHR as the airport taxes for C passengers are going to increase quite substantially.

2) The ANA tool is great for checking availibility, I was suggesting to use the ITA software to price out the taxes.
Generally the taxes you will have to pay for a C rev. tix are identical with those of an award tix. (Though there are a few exceptions where the taxes are calculated based on the price of the rev. ticket).
The ITA software will also show you the max. amount of fuel surcharges you will have to pay.

3) Correct.

Kiwi Flyer
Oct 12, 09, 5:13 pm
So if I book through SK Eurobonus, I guess that SK will be the ticketing airline?

Yes.

DownUnderFlyer
Oct 13, 09, 7:48 pm
BTW: Try to avoid flying through LHR as the airport taxes for C passengers are going to increase quite substantially.

Waived for transit passengers but you need to have a look at the definition for transit.



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