View Full Version : US "lost" a pilot, 2 hours later, he was just napping


wony99
Aug 11, 07, 5:46 pm
Hello everyone. I was wondering if someone could help me find an e-mail for the various members of the Board of Directors for US Scare. Specifically, I would like to include Doug Parker in the multitude of individuals I would like to relate the following letter to:
(Sorry for posting the book of Psalms, but I would like to know if others have had similar experiences)

"I am writing to you today to express my most vehement disgust with the way I was treated on and before Flight 3361 on Friday, August 10 by your staff at the Philadelphia airport. This information must be relayed to you in writing as when I tried to express myself directly to your employees (even management) I was met with rebuke and dismissed without comment.

"So, that you understand where I am coming from, I travel a lot. I annually log over 150,000 miles in the air on a combined total of at least 5 different airlines. I have friends in the airline industry and am fully aware of what “can” and “cannot” happen as a matter of procedure and in the spirit of customer service. I am also aware of what management and staff can and will do to avoid passenger confrontation and pass responsibility. Again, I only offer this information so that you have a frame of reference that these comments are coming from someone who is experienced and travels weekly, and not a first time flyer.

"When I arrived at the airport, I expected a delay, so I had planned accordingly, arriving well ahead of my scheduled departure. When I got to the ticket counter, I found several kiosks inoperable, or malfunctioning. When I attempted to tell someone, they seemed more interested in unnecessarily controlling what was a relatively friendly crowd as opposed to actually doing something to increase the efficiency of the check in process, thus speeding up the process for everyone.

"When I finally found a working kiosk, it would not let me check in, a problem that I have seen before. I stood patiently at the kiosk while several agents stood around apparently “waiting” for the luggage belt, which had broken down, to start moving again. After about 20 minutes of patiently waiting, I realized that my extra time that I had budgeted was quickly being eaten up. I obtained the attention of one of the agents and they quickly and easily checked me in.

"Once I got to Security, since I am a frequent flyer, I displayed my credentials to gain access to the shorter security line at the C concourse. I was told that the fact that I was an elevated status on other airlines meant nothing if I was not of a status on US Air and was returned to the long line. When I inquired how long I should expect to wait, I was met with a blank stare, a conceited smile and a shrug. As I walked away, I could hear a snide “good luck” being uttered in my direction. I turned around and expressed that my flight was boarding (or so I thought, but we will get to that) and asked if I could still go down the short line since there were no others there. Again I was rebuffed. Fellow travelers around me bonded together at my rejection and ushered me and three others in a similar situation to the front of the line, where we met up with where we would have been had we just been permitted to go into the short line, like I am allowed in every other airport in which I travel. The fact that they would be so specific to only recognize US Air credentials when there are several airlines accessed through that security checkpoint seemed rather pretentious and childish to me since every other airport with lines of this nature allow for flyers of all airlines to enjoy this benefit.

"Once through security, I, literally, ran down the concourse to my gate, thinking that they would be about half boarded by this point. When I got there, I found that we were delayed 15 minutes, waiting on a flight crew. After 30 minutes, the flight crew arrived, sans First Officer. Over the next hour and a half, I tried to be patient and understanding thinking that the FO was coming in from another flight that was delayed. When I inquired how long we would be waiting, I was met with “we don’t know, we can’t find him in the system.” A myriad of thoughts ran through my mind, least of all was “how can an airline not know what the schedule of one of it’s pilots is, especially in this post-9/11 environment in which we operate?”. After further pressing and several agent changes at the gate, we were still no closer to getting any information than we were before. Finally, a manager arrived to address the concerns of a passenger who needed his medications. When I posed the question to him, he blew me off saying that “flight crews are ‘out of position’ “ so there was no way for him to tell what was going on. I asked him how an airline could not know, or at least, take the time to investigate why they had a missing pilot. He then tried to blame the situation on weather, which was asinine and a way of deflecting blame.

"Two hours after our expected departure time, the FO comes lazily strolling up to the gate, grinning like a Cheshire cat. When someone asked him what kept him, he responded “I was asleep”.

"Let me step back here and explain what that did to my demeanor. I expect delays, especially with US Air. I build that into my travel plans. I know things happen on the East Coast on Fridays, why deny it. As a result, I was frustrated, but accepting. When I heard that comment from him, my acceptance turned to disgust. How dare the incompetence of a pilot unnecessarily delay a full flight for over two hours. I was so infuriated by that, I immediately went to the counter agents, who had to have heard the comment since it was 3 feet from them, and asked what they were going to do for this obvious error on the part of the airline. So that they would understand why I was so irate, I explained to them the totality of my situation; that I was going to miss a wedding that evening because of the FO’s incompetence. The same manager as before again turned me away saying that it was weather related. I pose this question to you….How?

"Even now, recounting these grossly rude and obviously avoiding responses and actions, I am frustrated and disgusted almost to the point that I cannot articulate this recount.

"Once we boarded the plane, I recognized that we were doing a boarding that was premature when compared to normal boarding and that we would be in position for a bit while paperwork was finished. After 30 minutes and the cockpit door was still open, we realized that there were other issues. Finally, the pilot came on saying that they were waiting for someone to get them information so that they could finish the paperwork.

"Once the cabin door was finally closed, we continued to sit. After another 15 or 20 minutes, the pilot comes over the PA and explains that he is now waiting for the ground crew to “unhook” something, which, as someone who knows, generally, what goes on outside of the aircraft prior to takeoff, baffled me since the electrical and communications connections should have been disconnected far prior to this point. I took it as another way of avoiding the acknowledgement of additional incompetence. Shortly thereafter, he announced that we were waiting for the jet-bridge driver to pull the bridge back so that we could push back. 10 minutes later, he announced that they could not find the driver and were still looking. The only thing I could think to myself is that the driver was in the same place the FO was and was napping too.

"By this time, the entire aircraft was getting testy as we were all seeing through all of the “smokescreens” that the crew was trying to use to stall. As a result, we were murmuring amongst ourselves, trying to vent our frustrations amongst ourselves because, after the flight attendant summoned the pilot back to the cabin to calm down one man, we figured we should not comment to him further for fear of being accused of “interfering with flight operations crew” and being escorted off the plane in by Federal Marshalls with a brand new pair of stainless steel bracelets. The flight crew did nothing to even hint that it would not happen.

"Because this was an Embraier 170, the headrests elevate. Being 6’4, I find it very comfortable to raise this to support my head. Just prior to take off, the FA was doing his final run up and down the aisle, glaring at everyone. I can only assume that he was trying to see who was going to snap at him next. On his way back up to the front from the rear galley, he reached up and slammed my headrest down with no warning. As the rest came down on the back of my neck, I felt a sharp pain go down my spine as it hit my back. Of course, given the circumstances, I did not feel as if I could comment at all, so all I did was wince, endure the pain and add one more item to the list of atrocities I had experienced that day.

"When we finally arrive in Columbus, Ohio, 3 hours after our anticipated arrival, I felt like kissing the ground knowing that my turmoil was over. Needless to say, the trip to the wedding was a bust. I showed up later for the party, and got to regale others with my misery of the day. Additionally, I had planned to conduct several business phone calls while on my way home from the airport and while I drove to the wedding. These, too, were cancelled. Unfortunately for you, I had to explain myself to my customers, some of which had planned to detract from their vacations just to participate. The only way to do this was with the truth.

"I feel that the way I was treated demands recompense. There should be no one, for any reason, that should have to deal with the ignorant attitudes, poor professionalism, and complete lack of respect that I received. At the bare minimum, I should be entitled to credit in my account for the price of my fare as well as a voucher for future travel. This should be the beginning of the amends. Another step that should be taken is a formal reprimand, or worse, for the AWOL FO. Additionally, I feel that US Air owes a letter of apology to each and every passenger on this flight. Other airlines are much more gracious than this over far less. As a business based upon customer service, and the obvious lack thereof in my experience, I can only wonder how far-reaching these attitudes and incompetence has permeated the organization.

jimcfsus
Aug 11, 07, 6:12 pm
Let's see...

Contact the DOT here (http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/problems.htm) Do not pass go, do not worry about collecting the $200 vouchers you'll get from US. Go straight to the DOT.

Now that you've done that, you can contact Tempe's Customer Relations (http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/contact/customer_relations.aspx). If you have the time, don't waste the effort on snail mail or e-mail, go straight for the phone call. You might want to follow it up with an email to Executive.Office@usairways.com . Your post here would make a good basis for that email.

One other tidbit... since this was an E-170, odds are it was run by Republic (a contracted Express carrier) so it's not mainline US nor one of the wholly owned express carriers (PSA and Piedmont). This doesn't excuse Tempe from this, but be forewarned that they may pawn the complaint off on Republic.

usa18dca
Aug 11, 07, 6:15 pm
Thats what you get for flying on Republic...

warreng24
Aug 11, 07, 6:16 pm
Flight 3361 on Friday, August 10

Welcome to FT.

However, you need to redirect your anger to Republic Airways.

Flight 3361 is a US Airways Express flight. This means that the flight is "contracted" out to another carrier.

Flight 3361 was operated by Republic Airlines for US Airways.

The pilots and flight attendants are NOT employees of US Airways. They are Republic Airlines employees.

You should also direct your complaint to Republic Airlines. This is their website:
http://www.rjet.com/

gsforfree
Aug 11, 07, 6:20 pm
At the bare minimum, I should be entitled to credit in my account for the price of my fare as well as a voucher for future travel. This should be the beginning of the amends. Another step that should be taken is a formal reprimand, or worse, for the AWOL FO. Additionally, I feel that US Air owes a letter of apology to each and every passenger on this flight. Other airlines are much more gracious than this over far less. As a business based upon customer service, and the obvious lack thereof in my experience, I can only wonder how far-reaching these attitudes and incompetence has permeated the organization.

Dougie might send you a $75 voucher. But, with an explanation like that to the customer relations dept, they're likely to give you the max they're allowed (a la $250 I once received for a seat that didn't recline on a red-eye). If I can make a suggestion before you send it in to CR, try to take some of the insulting statements out and whoever reads it may empathize.

Many people will say they don't read it, but with a descriptive account such as this, you will surely get a response. Also, you may want to contact

Anthony Mulé, SVP Customer Service

or

Donna Paladini, SVP Customer Service West

jimcfsus
Aug 11, 07, 6:21 pm
Welcome to FT.

However, you need to redirect your anger to Republic Airways.

You should also direct your complaint to Republic Airlines. This is their website:
http://www.rjet.com/

As I was told about 15 years ago by mainline personnel after having problems with an express flight out of PIT... even though it's an express flight (no matter who operated it), US still has their name on it, thus US looks bad when things like this happen.

Complain loud to Tempe, Republic, and especially the DOT, as they will make US and Republic responsible to answer for this no matter what. Tempe has a backlog of complaints and you'll be lucky to hear an answer within 30 days... unless you go the DOT route.

BoeingBoy
Aug 11, 07, 6:44 pm
Just a few comments, none of which are intended to contradict your sense of frustration over this flight.....

Republic does indeed operate that flight, as has already been said several times. However, they are under contract to US and US management is responsible for enforcing some minimum level of performance on all the contract carriers.

Assuming you used the B/C ticket counter, every person you interacted with until on the airplane (except at the TSA checkpoint) was a US employee. Can't foist those experiences off on Republic.

From the amount of time it took the F/O to arrive, it's possible that Republic scheduling called out a reserve. I say this because I just can't believe that the Captain would just sit there doing nothing for 1.5 hours if he knew that the F/O was in the airport somewhere, much less asleep in a crew room. If my assumption is correct, the gate agent had no way to determine in QIK/Shares that a reserve had been called or when the F/O would be arriving. However, the Captain should have certainly been told by Republic scheduling, or at least inquired, and the gate agent could have gotten the info from the flight crew.

Since we're talking about PHL here, it's entirely possible that the Captain was telling the truth about getting things unhooked, the jetway driver, etc. Disconnecting the ground power is often only done after the ground crew finishes loading baggage and just before pushback. In PHL, as most places, the jetway will not move while the ground power (electricity) is hooked up (prevents inadvertent damage to the aircraft). If boarding finished and the ground power cord were still attached, the agent may well have gone back to the podium to close out the flight and then off to do something else - like meet another flight. This could well have resulting in someone having to be tracked down.

As I said, none of this is meant as saying that you're wrong. Your experience sounds like a fiasco all around. Just thought I'd give a little "other side of the cockpit door" perspective.

Jim

Travels2mch
Aug 11, 07, 7:41 pm
Welcome to Philadelphia.....we hope you enjoyed your experience.

BoeingBoy
Aug 11, 07, 7:47 pm
Welcome to Philadelphia.....we hope you enjoyed your experience.

Or, in the immortal words of Scott Kirby, the operation is "trending in the right direction".....

Jim

jimcfsus
Aug 11, 07, 8:04 pm
Or, in the immortal words of Scott Kirby, the operation is "trending in the right direction".....

Jim

If down the commode is considered a direction. :D

sts603
Aug 11, 07, 8:46 pm
US is an attrocious airline. I can't believe how much happier I am traveling on AA. I was a Chairman's in 2006. This year I've flown 56K on AA and 1K on US. I just had to book another oneway flight and am disheartened to have been forced to fly US. Nevertheless, I do agree with the principle that you should only be able to use elite/first class security if you have credentials for that airline (or at least one of its reciprocal partners). That's standard procedure as far as I know. I never expect to use one airline's elite card to get through another non-affiliated airlines elite security card. And the B/C concourse at PHL is exclusively US - while all gates are connected (except E) - that security checkpoint is for US.

RoyalFlush
Aug 11, 07, 8:50 pm
http://www.southwest.com/

3 daily non-stops between Philly and Columbus

This nonsense would NEVER happen on SWA. Nor would many other antics that happen day in, day out with US.

Guaranteed.

Caveat: if you can sit in an unassigned seat and not die.

mikey110890
Aug 11, 07, 10:31 pm
Is this really unusual, how many could post similar stories?

tombyron
Aug 12, 07, 12:00 am
All I can say is... Wow.

Please let us know what, if anything, they do. A lot of time people will say to keep the letter short and sweet, but I think the length is warranted here. Well written!

ClueByFour
Aug 12, 07, 12:04 am
Thats what you get for flying on Republic...

This coming from a former Mesa employee!

Thanks for the laugh, though.

trekkie
Aug 12, 07, 12:45 am
If it wasn't for the dramatic writing of the letter, i don't think there is much merit in the complaint. Such things happen all the time that its NOT unusual and to complain about such issues while is an inconvenience is not worth fighting over.In today's travel, if you know your plane is an EMB, there is a higher likelihood of delay due to smallness of the aircraft esp in high winds period. If such complaints are entertained, then should complaints about poor seat material automatically result in a 200usd voucher?There has to be some commonsense. Down under, we had unusual 3 hour delays before and when issues of compensation come up,it is shut down immediately.

stiphy
Aug 12, 07, 12:45 pm
You need to shorten your letter and do A LOT of editing if you expect any executives to look at it. For example, you should drop the piece about security entirely as US has no control over that. Slim down the check-in section to simply "the Kiosks didn't work delaying me by x minutes." The biggests atrocity is the napping part and no executive will even make it that far.

I'm not trying to be overly critical, I'm trying to help. I often have a tendancy to be overly verbose and have learned over time to do massive editing. In my experience you MUST be concise in these letters otherwise they won't get read by the people you want to read them.

Sean

outtolunch
Aug 12, 07, 2:19 pm
You need to shorten your letter and do A LOT of editing if you expect any executives to look at it.

I agree. In addition, don't copy every board member and high ranking exec. You'll come off as a kook.

Alphaguy
Aug 12, 07, 4:23 pm
If down the commode is considered a direction. :D

It also depends what side of the equator you are on.... :)

wony99
Aug 13, 07, 1:33 pm
Thank you all for the replies, information and suggestions. Oddly enough, I heard back from them already..... It truly is a sad state of affairs when you have a "form letter" that appears to be almost automated for issuing a voucher for complaints.

The text of the automated response is included below. Note the very blatant and restrictive T's and C's..



"Thank you for contacting the Executive Office of US Airways. We appreciate hearing from our customers and having an opportunity to address your concerns. Following his review, Mr. Doug Parker, CEO and Chairman of the Board asked me to respond.

"Our customers expect and deserve flights that are on time and service that is both helpful and friendly. In today's competitive travel industry, it is more important than ever to excel in these areas. We work hard each and every day to meet these goals, and I'm sorry we failed in this case. Please be assured your comments are important, and have been forwarded to the appropriate manager for an internal review with the employees involved. We appreciate the opportunity you have given us to learn where and how we can improve our service.

"To convey our apologies we have authorized one $200.00 Electronic Travel With Us Voucher as a gesture of goodwill, in hopes you will allow US Airways another opportunity to regain your confidence. Your E-TUV is valid toward the purchase of travel on US Airways or America West Airlines. Please be advised the E-TUV is not valid with Internet bookings. The E-TUV must be redeemed one year from the date of this letter. In addition, please take a moment to read the enclosed terms and conditions to receive the full benefit of this compensation. When you are ready to make your future travel arrangements, please call our Reservations Department at 1-800-428-4322 and provide the name and confirmation number listed below.

"Terms and Conditions

"ELECTRONIC TRAVEL WITH US VOUCHER

"How to Use:
1. May not be transferred.
2. May be used toward the price of one ticket/one fare on US Airways, US Airways Shuttle, US Airways Express, America West Airlines, and America West Express. If the price of the ticket is greater than the value of the voucher, you simply pay the difference. If the discount exceeds the price of the ticket, no residual will be given.
3. Travel dates must be determined prior to ticketing.
5. Call US Airways Reservations at if you have any questions about the use of this voucher and/or to make your reservations. Inform them you will be using this Electronic Travel with US Voucher.
6. Redeem this voucher by calling US Airways reservations at 1-800-428-4322 or at any US Airways/America West ticketing location.

"Not Allowed
1. Cannot be combined with any other discount.
2. Not applicable toward service or penalty charges.
3. Not applicable toward the reissue of a previously issued ticket.
4. Prepaid Ticket Service (PTA) not permitted.
5. Not applicable towards a US Airways Vacations package.

"Additional Information
1. The voucher and subsequent tickets issued against have no cash value and are non-refundable.
2. Not replaceable if lost, stolen, or destroyed.
3. Changes are subject to ticketing rules. All terms and conditions must be met. A change fee may apply.
4. All applicable taxes, surcharges and fees are the responsibility of the user and must be paid at the time of ticket issuance.
5. Voucher must be redeemed within one year from date of issue.
6. Terms and conditions of this voucher are subject to change without notice.

"We know our customers have choices when it comes to flying, and appreciate your giving us another opportunity to earn your business.

"Sincerely,

"Elise Robinson
Executive Liaison
Office of the Chairman

DashPilot
Aug 13, 07, 5:45 pm
Don't feel bad. I got that letter when I faxed in my insurance information.

tombyron
Aug 13, 07, 5:58 pm
"Thank you for contacting the Executive Office of US Airways. We appreciate hearing from our customers and having an opportunity to address your concerns. Following his review, Mr. Doug Parker, CEO and Chairman of the Board asked me to respond.


LOL - like THAT really happened.

AlanInDC
Aug 13, 07, 7:09 pm
The Ts and Cs seem pretty standard to me. What so restrictive about them?

I don't quite understand this:
"Please be advised the E-TUV is not valid with Internet bookings."
Does that mean you can't use an electronic voucher to book tickets on the Web site? That seems screwy to me.

tombyron
Aug 13, 07, 7:16 pm
The Ts and Cs seem pretty standard to me. What so restrictive about them?

I don't quite understand this:
"Please be advised the E-TUV is not valid with Internet bookings."
Does that mean you can't use an electronic voucher to book tickets on the Web site? That seems screwy to me.

Yes you can't, which is part of what he eluded to as being restrictive.

me4yankees
Aug 13, 07, 7:32 pm
The Ts and Cs seem pretty standard to me. What so restrictive about them?

I don't quite understand this:
"Please be advised the E-TUV is not valid with Internet bookings."
Does that mean you can't use an electronic voucher to book tickets on the Web site? That seems screwy to me.

You redeem them by telephone, which is better than the vouchers that require a trip to the airport or a travel agent.

ByrdluvsAWACO
Aug 13, 07, 7:48 pm
I'm sorry but there's something about this post that just bugged the **** out of me.

So, that you understand where I am coming from, I travel a lot. I annually log over 150,000 miles...

"Once I got to Security, since I am a frequent flyer, I displayed my credentials to gain access to the shorter security line at the C concourse. I was told that the fact that I was an elevated status on other airlines meant nothing if I was not of a status on US Air and was returned to the long line.

:rolleyes:

Your fly 150k, and don't understand that the benefit of a elite security line is provided by US for US elite/first pax? Why should US reward DL pax for flying Delta? Should I expect CO to reward my AA loyalty or BA to reward my VS flying?

Travels2mch
Aug 13, 07, 8:52 pm
I'm sorry but there's something about this post that just bugged the **** out of me.





:rolleyes:

Your fly 150k, and don't understand that the benefit of a elite security line is provided by US for US elite/first pax? Why should US reward DL pax for flying Delta? Should I expect CO to reward my AA loyalty or BA to reward my VS flying?

In ATL, I always went through the elite line as a US preferred. It wasn't limited to only DL.

JBLUA320
Aug 13, 07, 10:53 pm
I'm sorry, but the rule is the elite of that carrier can use that carrier's line - anything else is an exception.
Otherwise, could you imagine how long elite lines could be, if any single elite of any airline flying any airline could use elite security?

-A

PS: Great job wording this dramatically. The facts were:

- Some busted kiosks
- Rude Contracted Security line "dude" > but eventually got through
- 2-Hour Delay, pilot was "napping", probably rest issue from last night
- Rude Republic F/A

Not an excellent experience by any means, but could be much. much, worse.

wony99
Aug 31, 07, 1:25 pm
The horror continues....

I am just now getting around to processing my expense report for this flight. I observed that I did not have my reciept for this flight.

Thinking it would be an easy task, I called Customer Service with my Dividend Miles number, my credit card number, the names and birthdays of my children, and my library card number. I had confirmation numbers, flight dates and numbers. Still they were unable to find any record of me flying at all that week....

I wonder what happens when they really need to find someone...granted, how should I expect them to find me, a paying passenger, when they can't even keep track of their employees...


aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!

</vent>

MarcPHL
Aug 31, 07, 3:08 pm
"Let me step back here and explain what that did to my demeanor. I expect delays, especially with US Air. I build that into my travel plans. I know things happen on the East Coast on Fridays, why deny it. As a result, I was frustrated, but accepting. When I heard that comment from him, my acceptance turned to disgust. How dare the incompetence of a pilot unnecessarily delay a full flight for over two hours. I was so infuriated by that, I immediately went to the counter agents, who had to have heard the comment since it was 3 feet from them, and asked what they were going to do for this obvious error on the part of the airline. So that they would understand why I was so irate, I explained to them the totality of my situation; that I was going to miss a wedding that evening because of the FO’s incompetence. The same manager as before again turned me away saying that it was weather related. I pose this question to you….How?


I don't point this out to invalidate or belittle the frustration that this experience caused you, I'm just having difficulty reconciling the highlighted portions. This was a 3 hour, 1 flight block delay, no?

enviroian
Aug 31, 07, 3:31 pm
Don't feel bad. I got that letter when I faxed in my insurance information.


Likewise. I got the same when I faxed in my asthma meds script.


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