how can you search for international flights by fare, not date?

possible?

and not things like kayak, but actual GDS searches.

does expertflyer do it?

how can you search for international flights by fare, not date?

possible?

and not things like kayak, but actual GDS searches.

does expertflyer do it?

If I understood what you mean, yes EF does it.

Care to expand so I/we can help?

example = whats the lowest fare in a GDS system for XX first class between XXX and XXX for both one-way and round-trip

example = whats the lowest fare in a GDS system for XX first class between XXX and XXX for both one-way and round-trip

I re-read the original post, I don't think that's possible because fares vary by season, unless it a full F,C,Y, or YY IATA type fares. For full F,C,Y I guess you can look up any date and it will always be the same.

can you do seasonal searches?

can you do seasonal searches?

I don't think you can. Hopefully KVS or GuyBetsy will chime in as they are the experts! On Ef if you only type in the outbound, it gives you all ow fares available.

On Ef if you only type in the outbound, it gives you all ow fares available.

for 1 date or a range?

thanks for all the help! ^

for 1 date or a range?

thanks for all the help! ^

Available from that date.Then depending on the rules, min and max stay.

Available from that date

can you search one-way FROM a date, as in, Apr 1 >>> and then it finds a cheap fare on July 1?

min and max stay dont apply to one-way :confused:

can you search one-way FROM a date, as in, Apr 1 >>> and then it finds a cheap fare on July 1?

dont apply to one-way :confused:

Sorry some fares have min and max from last stop-over.

Example as per this morning thread about AMM, took the first available ow fare on RJ (cheapest)

Rules
Search: Departing NYC on 15/04/07 for AMM
Fare basis code MLSXOWUS
Flying RJ on booking class M

APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
RULE - 001/USA1 FOR M- TYPE FARES SUPER/SPECIAL APEX FARES APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM AMM TO THE UNITED STATES. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT OTHER CONDITIONS PASSENGERS EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED.
SEASONALITY
FOR BASIC SEASON FARES PERMITTED 01JAN THROUGH 30APR OR 01SEP THROUGH 10DEC OR 25DEC THROUGH 31DEC ON THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
FLIGHT APPLICATION
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY RJ FLIGHT.
ADVANCE RES/TICKETING
FOR M- TYPE FARES RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS. WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED. UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - RJ RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CANCEL ANY PNR WHERE ITINERARIES DO NOT COMPLY WITH RESERVATION BOOKING CODE /RBD/. -------- IF THE FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET RJ RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CHARGE THE HIGHER FARE IF ANY FAILING WHICH RJ WILL CANCEL ANY PNR OR INVALIDATE THE REMAINING FLIGHT COUPONS. -------- IF A PASSENGER FAILS TO TRAVEL ON A SECTOR BOOKED RJ RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CANCEL THE REMAINING RJ SECTORS. -------- PNRS WITH FICTITIOUS TICKET NUMBERS WILL BE SUBJECT TO A CHARGE OF USD 50/- EQUIVALENT PER PASSENGER. -------- PNRS WITH FICTITIOUS NAMES WILL BE SUBJECT TO A CHARGE OF USD 50/- EQUIVALENT PER PASSENGER. -------- ALL FARES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE OR WITHDRAWAL WITHOUT NOTICE. FARES ARE ONLY GUARANTEED IF AUTO-PRICED AND TICKETED IN GDS ON THE SAME DAY.
MAXIMUM STAY
FOR M- TYPE FARES TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 4 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS
FOR ONE WAY M- TYPE FARES NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY 1 STOPOVER PERMITTED AT USD 75.00.
TRANSFERS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ONLINE ON ANY CARRIER - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN AREA 1. AND - 2 INTERLINE TRANSFERS PERMITTED - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN THE UNITED STATES. NOTE - IN RJ USA GATEWAYS AND - UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ONLINE ON THE PUBLISHING CARRIER. AND - 2 INTERLINE TRANSFERS PERMITTED - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION IN AREA 2/AREA 3.
PERMITTED COMBINATIONS
FOR ONE WAY M-SXOWUS TYPE FARES SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH RJ DOMESTIC FARES BETWEEN AMM AND AQJ. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION. END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH RJ INTERNATIONAL FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH US-CANADA TRANSBORDER/DOMESTIC FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
BLACKOUT DATES
FROM/TO THE UNITED STATES FOR MLSXOWUS FARES ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES OUTBOUND - TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 11DEC 06 THROUGH 24DEC 06 OR 30NOV 07 THROUGH 15DEC 07 OR 20NOV 08 THROUGH 05DEC 08 FOR DEPARTURE OF OVERWATER SEGMENT.
SALES RESTRICTIONS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
PENALTIES
FOR M- TYPE FARES NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE USD 100.00 FOR REFUND. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. AFTER DEPARTURE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. CHANGES ANY TIME CHARGE USD 100.00 FOR REVALIDATION. NOTE - TICKETS MAY BE UPGRADED TO ANY HIGHER FARE OR CABIN PROVIDED USD 75.00 IS COLLECTED PLUS ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE . CHARGE USD 100.00 FOR REVALIDATION. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - TICKETS MAY BE UPGRADED TO ANY HIGHER FARE OR CABIN PROVIDED JOD 70.00 IS COLLECTED PLUS ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE .
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - THE HIP RULE DOES NOT APPLY. THESE FARES SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED OR CHECKED WITH FOR THE FOLLOWING - -HIGHER INTERMEDIATE FARE /HIP/ -DIRECT MINIMUM CHECK /DMC/ -COUNTRY OF PAYMENT MINIMUM CHECK /COP/ -CIRCLE TRIP MINIMUM CHECK /CTM/ -OW SUB-JOURNEY CHECK /OSC/ -RT SUB-JOURNEY CHECK /RSC/
TICKET ENDORSEMENT
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - FARE RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX. NOTE - 1/ NO VOLUNTARY ENDORSEMENT IS PERMITTED WITHOUT REFERRING TO THE ISSUING OFFICE AND COLLECTING FARE DIFFERENCE 2/ FOR INVOLUNTARY REROUTING TICKETS MAY BE ENDORSED AS PER FACE VALUE.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 6-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-5 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. NOTE - MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ESCORT FROM THE AIRLINE /RJ/ OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY TOUR CONDUCTOR - NO DISCOUNT.
AGENT DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - GENERAL RULE DOES NOT APPLY AGENT - NO DISCOUNT. NOTE - NO TRAVEL AGENT COMMISSIONS
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED AGENT - NO DISCOUNT. NOTE - NO TRAVEL AGENT COMMISSIONS UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

from last stop-over. oh!

HAHA you see what im looking for ;)

but so can you clarify my first question in my last post?

oh!

HAHA you see what im looking for ;)

but so can you clarify my first question in my last post?

I'm not sure. But I don't think it's possible. Maybe with a CRS.

i see what CRS means in glossary, but what does it refer to? sites like zuji.com?

i see what CRS means in glossary, but what does it refer to? sites like zuji.com?

CRS= centralized reservation system; it's what TA have. searching without a return date, A/D fares do not pop up. Only F,J/C,Y and variations.

so A/D are not one-way?

so A/D are not one-way?

They don't pop up if I search a o/w. D does if I search a RT but it is nowhere close to what was posted in the morning. I don't see it as o/w.

example = whats the lowest fare in a GDS system for XX first class between XXX and XXX for both one-way and round-tripYes, but you have to request RT and OW fares separately, e.g.:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.8.0/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/ZUJ/AU-USD] (http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/Tool/?R)
NYC New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
LAX Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
RT Mar-Feb

Carrier From To Fare Cur Expiry Min Max Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
US NYC LAX 1040 USD AA7UPNC
UA NYC LAX 1449 USD QUAUPJ
UA NYC LAX 1449 USD QUAUPL
US NYC LAX 1449 USD AA0UPNC
CO NYC LAX 1449 USD RB
DL NYC LAX 1524 USD F0BV
US NYC LAX 1905 USD YUP6
NW NYC LAX 2837 USD P26
US NYC LAX 3535 USD F6
CO NYC LAX 3544 USD A1
UA NYC LAX 3563 USD FUA
AA NYC LAX 3563 USD F26
US NYC LAX 3563 USD F8
CO NYC LAX 4333 USD F
US NYC LAX 4333 USD F
UA NYC LAX 4353 USD FPS
UA NYC LAX 4353 USD FPSN
AA NYC LAX 4353 USD F263
UA NYC LAX 4549 USD F
AA NYC LAX 4549 USD F
DL NYC LAX 4549 USD F
NW NYC LAX 4556 USD P



[KVS Availability Tool 2.8.0/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/ZUJ/AU-USD] (http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/Tool/?R)
NYC New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
LAX Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
OW Mar-Feb

Carrier From To Fare Cur Expiry Min Max Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
US NYC LAX 520 USD AA7UPNC
UA NYC LAX 725 USD QUAUPJ
UA NYC LAX 725 USD QUAUPL
US NYC LAX 725 USD AA0UPNC
CO NYC LAX 725 USD RB
DL NYC LAX 762 USD F0BV
US NYC LAX 953 USD YUP6
NW NYC LAX 1419 USD P26
US NYC LAX 1767 USD F6
CO NYC LAX 1772 USD A1
UA NYC LAX 1781 USD FUA
AA NYC LAX 1781 USD F26
US NYC LAX 1781 USD F8
US NYC LAX 2167 USD F
CO NYC LAX 2167 USD F
UA NYC LAX 2177 USD FPS
UA NYC LAX 2177 USD FPSN
AA NYC LAX 2177 USD F263
UA NYC LAX 2274 USD F
AA NYC LAX 2274 USD F
DL NYC LAX 2274 USD F
NW NYC LAX 2278 USD P

great, thanks a lot ^ ill have to get your tool :)