Are there still commercial flights between
Tokyo-Haneda(HND) and Seoul-Gimpo(SEL)?


Thanks!

Yes.

4 (maybe more?) airlines still fly that route (HND-GMP): JAL, ANA, Asiana and KAL.

Are there still commercial flights between
Tokyo-Haneda(HND) and Seoul-Gimpo(SEL)?


Thanks!
This thread is better suited for the Japan forum. Please continue to follow there.
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Obscure2k
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Yes. There are 8 R/T flights a day, two by each of the four: JAL, ANA, Asiana, KE.

This thread is better suited for the Japan forum. Please continue to follow there.
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Obscure2k
TravelBuzz Moderator

Hi!

I was actually only searching for info about all the small
domestic airports in South Korea... have no interest in
airports Japan at all...

so moving this thread to the Japan forum may not be
quite right.... would it be possible to move it to the "Other Asia" forum?

:) Thanks!

Yes. There are 8 R/T flights a day, two by each of the four: JAL, ANA, Asiana, KE.

Thanks! What other South Korean airports(excluding ICN)
have int'l flights? :)

Thanks! What other South Korean airports(excluding ICN)
have int'l flights? :)

Busan is quite well connected to China and Japan and has a scheduled flight to Bangkok as well. Please note that you can fly to/from Busan-Kimhae ( and Jeju ) directly from Seoul-Incheon.

Daegu has some China flights and Gwangju a connection to Shanghai.

Jeju is a special case as a major holiday island and government efforts to revive it's economy. There are flights to Tokyo-Narita and Osaka-Kansai and also connections to Beijing and Shanghai. ( Hongkong? ) But I wouldn´t be surprised if the local or national government is subsidizing these international flights quite heavily.

Jeju is a special case as a major holiday island and government efforts to revive it's economy. There are flights to Tokyo-Narita and Osaka-Kansai and also connections to Beijing and Shanghai. ( Hongkong? ) But I wouldn´t be surprised if the local or national government is subsidizing these international flights quite heavily.

Also FUK :p, isn't Jeju the Hawaii of the Northwest Pacific?

Hmmm...Depends on the point of view I guess. ;)

Busan seems to enjoy the spoils of the recent Vietnam economy and tourist boom and has connections to both Hanoi and HoChiMinh City.

Still nothing to do with the Japan forum but LH is adding a welcome connection to PUS. Not just for the offshore business but also European visitors to Gyeongju, Jinju, Tongdosa and other SE travel spots can rejoice.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200611/01/200611012212599679900090509051.html

If I may piggyback on this thread:

I am planning a short trip to Seoul. I can see the obvious upside to using HND(Haneda)-GMP(Gimpo) to NRT(Narita)-ICN(Inchon). Both HND and GMP are somewhat closer (are therefore more convenient) to their respective city centers. On the other hand, NRT and ICN have the NW/SkyTeam lounges that I use. Any other points of relevance that I may have overlooked as to which of these airport pairs are preferable?

On a side note, KE(Korean) and OZ(Asiana) both fly these routes and have comparable fares. Setting aside for now any elite status, which would you fly?

On a side note, KE(Korean) and OZ(Asiana) both fly these routes and have comparable fares. Setting aside for now any elite status, which would you fly?

I would definitely go for OZ. OZ inflight service is so much better than KE in that route.

I would definitely go for OZ. OZ inflight service is so much better than KE in that route.

OZ is better (the best of the four), but KE is pretty good. Their IFE isn't too hot, but the service and food are pretty good. JAL comes third, and last is ANA, which has a pretty poor offering in that route.

As for the lounges, I'm a lizard as much as the next guy, but I certainly wouldn't add 3 hours to my total travel time just to visit a lounge. GMP-HND-GMP is a godsend for those needing to go between those two cities.

Thanks for the input. I'm glad to hear that OZ is a worthy option, as the KE flights I want are waitlist only at present, while OZ is wide open.

Is it really faster to Haneda than Narita? It seems like it SHOULD be faster, and it is certainly cheaper, but the train to Shinagawa sure did putter along the last time I took it. Never taken the monorail, is it better?

Is it really faster to Haneda than Narita? It seems like it SHOULD be faster, and it is certainly cheaper, but the train to Shinagawa sure did putter along the last time I took it. Never taken the monorail, is it better?

You must have taken one of the puttering trains. The monorail takes 18 minutes from Hamamatsucho, and the express trains about the same or less. But nothing beats a taxi. 6,000 yen or so will take you from Ginza to the airport in about 20 minutes.

You must have taken one of the puttering trains. The monorail takes 18 minutes from Hamamatsucho, and the express trains about the same or less. But nothing beats a taxi. 6,000 yen or so will take you from Ginza to the airport in about 20 minutes.

What would it cost from, say, Shinjuku - 8,000 yen?

What would it cost from, say, Shinjuku - 8,000 yen?

Yea, about right. I've taken a taxi regularly to HND from my place near Harajuku, and it is less than that. Once the taxi gets on the highway, the distance to traverse Tokyo from Shinjuku to the harbor isn't that much.

You must have taken one of the puttering trains. The monorail takes 18 minutes from Hamamatsucho, and the express trains about the same or less. But nothing beats a taxi. 6,000 yen or so will take you from Ginza to the airport in about 20 minutes.

The problem is that MOST of the trains are puttering trains and I wasn't going to wait 20 minutes for a fast one. Maybe that argues for the monorail, I didn't try that yet.

So to Shinjuku, the monorail is 18 minutes, transfer to the Yamanote line is, say, 5 minutes, and the Yamanote line is 25 minutes -- total 48 minutes, which is better than coming from Narita, after all. So next time, I'll skip the train or take a taxi if I feel flush.

Yea, about right. I've taken a taxi regularly to HND from my place near Harajuku, and it is less than that. Once the taxi gets on the highway, the distance to traverse Tokyo from Shinjuku to the harbor isn't that much.

Thanks. Limousine Bus service between hotels in Tokyo metro area and HND seems severely limited compared with the bus services offered to/from NRT.

s it really faster to Haneda than Narita? It seems like it SHOULD be faster, and it is certainly cheaper, but the train to Shinagawa sure did putter along the last time I took it. Never taken the monorail, is it better?

I took a NRT-ICN GMP-HND open jaw so had a somewhat direct comparison between the two pairs of airports. In the end I didn't find GMP-HND much better and would probably take NRT-ICN since there are more flights to fit my schedule on KE (since I fly ST.) I was able to take a direct Narita Express from Shibuya early in the morning and also spent a bit of time at the NW lounge at NRT.

On the return the taxi ride to GMP was not much faster or cheaper than to ICN from our office in the southern suburbs of Seoul. No lounge access that I was aware of and generally not as nice as ICN. On the return at HND they didn't seem used to travellers with non-Japanese or Korean passports, so both myself and my colleague were stopped at customs for a bag search. Then we ended up walking to the main terminal to catch the train instead of waiting for the shuttle. There were very few signs in English and it took us a while to figure out which train went where and whether to take monorail or not. Ended up taking the the train to Shinagawa, then Yamanote towards Shibuya. Was probably an hour faster over all, but for the first time it seemed like a bit of a hassle.

On the return the taxi ride to GMP was not much faster or cheaper than to ICN from our office in the southern suburbs of Seoul. No lounge access that I was aware of and generally not as nice as ICN. On the return at HND they didn't seem used to travellers with non-Japanese or Korean passports, so both myself and my colleague were stopped at customs for a bag search. Then we ended up walking to the main terminal to catch the train instead of waiting for the shuttle. There were very few signs in English and it took us a while to figure out which train went where and whether to take monorail or not. Ended up taking the the train to Shinagawa, then Yamanote towards Shibuya. Was probably an hour faster over all, but for the first time it seemed like a bit of a hassle.

Yes, it matters where you are going in Seoul. My office is in Yeouido, which is about 20 minutes from GMP, so that's a winner. There are lounges both in GMP and HND, they are perfectly fine, probably comparable to most lounges in NRT. Walking from the international terminal to Terminal 1 or 2 to take the train is a real hike. That's one hassle I wouldn't really deal with. What I usually do is walk out and get straight on a cab at the international terminal. I'm in my office in Ginza in 20-25 minutes.

Then we ended up walking to the main terminal to catch the train instead of waiting for the shuttle.

Walking from the international terminal to Terminal 1 or 2 to take the train is a real hike.

The shuttle bus serving the international terminal at HND is very good. It is free of charge and I think it runs every five minutes - Much better to take the bus than to walk to T2.

... it took us a while to figure out which train went where

I propose a simple guideline - "When in doubt, take the monorail."
Reason = The monorail will get you to most of central Tokyo faster than the local trains on the Keikyu line. It can sometimes even get you to Shinagawa faster than Keikyu. (If I lived in Shinagawa or South of there, I might feel differently).

Limousine Bus service between hotels in Tokyo metro area and HND seems severely limited compared with the bus services offered to/from NRT.
There are limousine buses to many points in Tokyo (including hotels) - but if the timetable doesn't work for you, then IMHO the monorail is the way to go. The taxi option is somewhat steep for my money (but with three people it starts looking pretty good).

I admit that my GMP-HND flight was the first time and it took longer than if we knew our way around. I probably could have gained another half hour to make a 1.5 hour time saving one way, and 3 hours for a round trip ^ Still wouldn't be able to make a daytrip out of it, so an overnight is required.

Nikkei - December 5, 2006ANA, Asiana Airlines To Form Comprehensive Tie-Up
TOKYO (Nikkei)--All Nippon Airways Co. (9202) and South Korea's Asiana Airlines Inc. will form a comprehensive partnership that includes code-sharing on all flights between Japan and South Korea as well as cooperation in cargo marketing and fuel purchasing, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun learned Monday.