Given the number of Wine and Wine related questions that are popping up on various other Argentina related threads, Ive decided to start a wine specific thread. Please post all your Argentine Wine & wine related questions here and we (the other resident Argentina experts and I) will do our best to answer your questions.
I will also write a couple of initial posts with some basic information to get this started... the idea is not to have this be a comprehensive wine guide, but some basic concepts about what makes up the core of the wine industry and its wines in each region.
For this I will post a couple of "fake" posts below so that I can later edit them and keep things organized. Moderators, please dont remove these duplicate posts.
Gaucho100K
Oct 2, 06, 7:06 am
Argentina is one of the worlds largest wine producing countries, a fact that is still relatively unknown to many visitors that arrive, even to those with a specific interest in wine.
There are multiple regions producing wine, but for the wine aficionado there are three principal areas of interest. Mendoza (in Central Argentina), Patagonia (to the South), and Salta (Northern Argentina).
Argentina´s premiere wine region is Mendoza, a province found just to the right of the Andes mountain-range. Mendoza is the first region that comes to mind when talking about wines from Argentina, much like California and/or Napa Valley comes to mind first when thinking of wines in the USA. Mendoza gets little rainfall, and there is ample usage of ancient man-made irrigation channels (mostly concentrated around the older regions of wine country), and new high-tech computer controlled drip irrigation in the newer developments of the Valle de Uco Region.
To the north of Mendoza, you have various provinces producing wines... the most important being Salta (followed perhaps by San Juan). Both provinces are growing in their production of quality wines that are slowly catching up to Mendoza in their incursion of foreign markets. Salta is know for its high altitude wines, and also for the indigenous grape varietal Torrontes (more on grapes & wines styles in posts below). The Valles Calchaquies (Valleys of Calchaqui) offer amazing landscapes, making Salta an ideal destination if you want to combine breathtaking views with some great wines.
If you head south, towards Patagonia, many wine lovers will be surprised. Patagonia is known for its natural beauty, wildlife, excellent fishing & hunting. Alas, its now making itself a big name for wines. Two provinces are at the forefront of the Patagonian wine movement, Rio Negro and Neuquen. Recently, Chubut has joined in with what some are calling promising Ice Wines.
Gaucho100K
Oct 2, 06, 7:07 am
Argentina is known for its Malbec. This grape, of French (Bordeaux) heritage has found its “home” in Argentina, where it has thrived and gained true international recognition and acclaim. Wine Gurus from all over the world have praised Argentine Malbec as the best of its kind, including Robert Parker Jr. who has been quoted as saying that Malbec is soon to be accepted as one of the great wines of the world thanks to the expression this grape has produced in various regions of Argentina.
Apart from Malbec, Argentina also produces some very interesting and high quality Cabernet Sauvignons. Blends are the next area of interest, from the staple “Mendoza style blend” of Cabernet/Malbec/Merlot to various Bordeaux inspired blends, there are styles and price ranges to suit everybody. One promising grape that is showing promise is Bonarda. This lesser known grape is identified with Italy, but has always been widely produced in Argentina.
In the white wines department, Torrontes is the white varietal somewhat equivalent of Malbec. Under this name, its related almost exclusively to Argentina. A textbook Torrontes will appear floral (almost sweet) to the nose, but should be bone-dry once you taste it. Apart from Torrontes, most of the best Chardonnay grapes in the country are used for the production of sparkling wines. Some higher end cuvees are made following a strict Champenoise methodology, and are a very pleasant surprise to those that have never tasted sparklers from Argentina.
Argentina also produces some very interesting Shiraz (known here as Syrah), Merlot, Cabernet Franc (some very old vines make some superb high-end CFs), and blends thereof. The elusive (& difficult to grow) Pinot Noir is also grown, although high quality examples of this varietal are not easy to find.
Gaucho100K
Oct 2, 06, 7:08 am
Some lesser known varietals are also grown in Argentina, creating some very interesting (and mostly not exported) wine labels. Some of these varietals include: Barbera, Sangiovese, Tocai Friulano, Viognier, and Bonarda. Some examples:
For those looking for dessert wines, its useful to know that almost all white dessert wines are late harvest and do not have botrytis as part of their production process. Most of Argentina´s wine country is rather dry, so for the very few botrytis wines available conditions must be created artificially. The best know example of a botrytis dessert wine is the Vin Doux Naturelle made by Rutini.
- Rutini in Doux Naturelle
- Afincado Petite Menseng
In the red dessert wine field, there are many examples of fortified wines, many of which are malbec based. Very few Passito style wines are available, the best perhaps being the Achaval Ferrer Dolce (though this is produced in incredibly small numbers and is rather expensive).
- Angel Mendoza Oportuno
- Achaval Ferrer Dolce
- Bianchi Stradivarius Porto de Magoas
Gaucho100K
Oct 2, 06, 7:09 am
Below is a shortlist of some producers I would recommend looking out for, followed by a selection of what I consider to be the highlights of each portfolio of labels:
Bodega Benegas (Mendoza)
- best known for its Bordeaux Blends & super-old vine Cabernet Franc
- makes an excellent Sangiovese & Syrah
- best wines made under the Benegas Lynch Brand (Meritage)
- also has a couple of excellent QPR everyday wines (Don Tiburcio, Juan Benegas)
Escorihuela Gascon (Mendoza)
- Syrah-Cabernet blend, excellent high-end Barbera
- very good QPR whites (Viognier, Sauvignon Blanc and dry Tocai)
- top of the line labels made under Miguel Escorihuela Gascon labels
Bodega Sur de los Andes (Mendoza)
- Infinito Malbec (icon wine of this producer)
- Malbec Grand Reserva
Finca Las Moras (San Juan)
- Mora Negra (bonarda malbec blend)
Callia (San Juan)
- Gran Callia - Reserva del Enologo (blend)
Cheetah_SA
Oct 3, 06, 8:12 am
Great idea for a thread Gaucho100K! ^ Been thinking about popping over to Argentina for a while and this might just give me the impetus I need. ;) Even if I don't visit soon, I'll be able to use the information when I'm shopping in European supermarkets.
HIDDY
Oct 5, 06, 8:57 am
Surprised to see that you put San Juan down your list of importance in producing regions.
I have just bought two cases of a Shiraz produced in San Juan.After purchasing one bottle to try from my local branch of supermarket (Tesco) in Britain I rushed down to snap up as much as I could as it was the most delicious full bodied red wine I have ever tasted,so maybe Mendoza better not rest on their laurels if San Juan keep on producing wines like that.
Living here in Scotland with my Argentine wife I have to say we try and only purchase wine from Argentina and I encourage everybody who has not tried it to give it a go as pound for pound it is certainly better value than the most obvious countries who produce wine. ^
Gaucho100K
Oct 5, 06, 6:56 pm
Hiddy-- very glad to hear you are enjoying Argentine Wines. Thanks for your observation on my San Juan comment, in going back to read my post above it does indeed seem like Im somehow giving this region a "second-class" status. I will look into rewording my above post, since this is not doing San Juan justice.
I do stand by my comment that Salta is today clearly the superior Terroir... but this is a case of Salta being better, and not that San Juan is bad, or second rate. Its true that Syrah/Shiraz is the best offering from this province, although Im a huge fan of what old-vine Bonarda is producing. Also, as many of the wine aficionados on these boards know, Im a HUGE fan of the Mora Negra. Made by Finca Las Moras, Mora Negra is a blend of Malbec & Bonarda, and its a staple in the yearly purchases for my personal cellar.
Overall, Salta has more depth, tradition, and variety in quality wines than does San Juan. Still, as you very correctly point out, San Juan does have a few gems that are well worth checking out. One winery for you to look out for is Xumek. They make a Shyrah thats very good... Im not sure what the exact branding is for the UK but its either Xumek Shiraz or perhaps Xumek Sol Huarpe Shiraz. Hope this helps.
HIDDY
Oct 6, 06, 1:26 pm
Gaucho100K
Thanks for the tips I shall keep my eye open for your recommendations.
In the UK the variety of Argentine wines grows every year so the signs are good that they are being noticed.
Cheers
USAFAN
Oct 7, 06, 5:06 pm
Argentina is known for its Malbec. This grape, of French (Bordeaux) heritage has found its “home” in Argentina, where it has thrived and gained true international recognition and acclaim. Wine Gurus from all over the world have praised Argentine Malbec as the best of its kind, including Robert Parker Jr. who has been quoted as saying that Malbec is soon to be accepted as one of the great wines of the world thanks to the expression this grape has produced in various regions of Argentina. ...
Gaucho100K:
Very interesting thread ^
Regarding Malbec: First of all it's a great wine .. dark red ... gos great with steaks.
At Concha & Toro (C&T, winery in Chile) they mentioned, that all of Malbec in France was destroyed. Some time ago French winemakers visited C&T and found Malbec grapes; the C&T people had "listed it" as Merlot, they took some back to France and grow it again. True? - can you confirm this?
BTW, today I went to "Total Wine" to get some bottles. It's a huge wine shop, and it looks they are doing well... not many Argentine wines though. Are you aware of this company?
Gaucho100K
Oct 8, 06, 6:56 am
USAFAN-- Glad you are enjoying this thread. As I mention in one of the introductory posts, Malbec is originally from France. When the devastating Phylloxera plague hit Europe in the 1860s it severely crippled European grape growers. Prior to Phylloxera, Malbec was an important grape in Bordeaux, but after the pest hit, it was almost entirely wiped out. As for the C&T story, it is indeed true that Malbec has in the past been mistaken as Merlot. Grape varietals were commonly mistaken in all wine producing countries, not only in the new world (even in Europe). Only with the more recent advances in Science in general (and Agronomy in particular) have wine-growers been able to precisely categorize their vineyards.
In modern wine-making, different grapes (and their clones) are constantly being tested in various areas, with winemakers buying & selling vines for different experiments. The Europeans come to the Americas to buy clones, as do new world winemakers in Europe. As far as I know, Carmenere is the most sought after grape in Chile, although it is possible that some old-vine Malbec is also interesting for some French grower to test.
Regarding Total Wine, I do know this company, and have visited various of their locations before. Their online catalog does list quite a few Argentine wines, although their actual in-store stock may be less ample. I would encourage you to check with them about the labels that they perhaps don’t stock on their shelves… these large retailers can usually get you the bottles from another location, a centralized warehouse or even order them from the importer.
USAFAN
Oct 8, 06, 7:56 am
Gaucho100K:
Thanks ... very interesting.
Your "hobby" became your profession - great.
A good friend of mine just told me proudly: "Finally, I am member of the Commanderie de Bordeaux .." He had to work (drink) hard for this .. all over the world .. Austria, Germany, Italy, France, South Africa ... His "doctor father", so to speak, was Markus Del Monega, Master of Wine and World Sommelier. You may know him, he works for Lufthansa (and also for Aldi Sued!?!).
Good luck and Votre Santé ....
slawecki
Oct 8, 06, 4:39 pm
At Concha & Toro (C&T, winery in Chile) they mentioned, that all of Malbec in France was destroyed. Some time ago French winemakers visited C&T and found Malbec grapes; the C&T people had "listed it" as Merlot, they took some back to France and grow it again. True? - can you confirm this?
BTW, today I went to "Total Wine" to get some bottles. It's a huge wine shop, and it looks they are doing well... not many Argentine wines though. Are you aware of this company?[/QUOTE]
I do not think that story correct. Carmenere was difficult, just about disappeared, and as I understand it reimported from Chile, where it had been passed off as cabernet, and merlot. I dislike the grape, as I think it has an extremely disagreeable aftertaste. I once did a tasting with about 10 of the best, and I disliked all.
"Malbec has always been grown in bordeaux and in cahors." schoonmaker, 1964.
"typical fine medoc.....5% Malbec" "St Emilion......10% Pressac(Malbec)" penning-rowsell 1969.
If it was there and being used in the early 60's it was there before the war.
Finding Argentinian wines. Probably the easiest way is to contact the distributor. Parker lists the importer/distributor, and a phone number whenever he reviews the wines. if an importer does Arg. wines, he probably does a number of them. Ask who distributes in my state. then call the distributor, and ask who carries what.
there is of course www.wine-searcher.com. the pro version is worth the cost.
a list of wines and importers would be a nice addition to this thread.
Gaucho100K
Oct 10, 06, 5:26 pm
As slawecki correctly points out, Malbec has always been a component of many fine wines in France. Today, many Bordeaux style blends crafted in various countries include some Malbec. Examples of these blends are found not only in Argentina, but also in the USA, South Africa, Australia (just to name a few).
slawecki
Oct 20, 06, 8:56 am
been to 2 Arg(what's the abbreviation to argentina?) tastings.
Broquel, the better label from Trapiche. comes in malbec, cab, and chard. a very nice wine, very well made wine. well worth the $12-13 retail
Vina Alicia. the top of the luigi bosca line(must be 10 differert grades of this guy's wine). cab, malbec and syrah. all very fine wines. $55 a bottle!!
then, Vina Alicia specials. a select malbec, petit verdot, and a nebbiolio. these are terrific wines, but really, $80+ dollars for an argentinian wine? almost every nebbiolio from barolo/barberesco this side of GAVI is under $80.
The plain old luigi bosca malbec is very decent, and I slightly prefer it to the Broquel, and is also available for $12-15 retail.
Also at a few tastings, a
La Bamba chenin/riesling. a wonderful starter wine, with a lot of substance and a delicious flavor. can be had for $8, or $80 a case. forget those cheap CA chards, and try this. I have no idea who "la bamba "really is
Gaucho100K
Oct 21, 06, 11:40 am
Hello slawecki-- while I agree that Broquel is a great wine for its price, please note that it is not the "better" label from Trapiche.
Broquel is sometimes (incorrectly) perceived as a higher end wine because the same market where it is available also carries the entry level Trapiche wines which have lower prices (sometimes 35% or more than what Broquel goes for). Despite the differences, Broquel is still inside the family of "everyday" wines made by Trapiche.
The better labels made by Trapiche include a number of blends and also some single-vineyard Malbecs. Im not completely up to speed on the portfolio of Trapiche labels that are available in your specific market, but here are some names for your to be on the lookout for:
Trapiche Medalla
Trapiche Gran Medalla
Trapiche Iscay
Trapiche Single Vineyard
willhe
Oct 21, 06, 8:05 pm
Agree with others that wine thread is a good idea. The info can be used in Argentina while visiting & is useful while still in US or anywhere else Argentine wines are available. Great material for list-makers!!
monkey2
Oct 25, 06, 12:05 pm
New to the forum, I find it exciting to find someone who clearly knows their way around the Argentine wine industry. I have visited the country several times in the past decade having previously been resident for 2 years inthe late seventies.
I have picked up on the references in the dining thread to Francis Malman's restaurant in the Escorihuela bodega and can confirm it as one of my favourite dining experiences in the world. Perhaps it was the influence of the wineries signature Malbec blend, the Don Miguel Escorihuela, but I had an unforgettable night.
Unlike one of our previous correspondents I have a love of dessert wines but have yet to find anything of note amongst my samplings of Argentine wines. I am a bit of a classicisist in this respect and prefer Semillon or possibly Chenin varietals with Botrytis influence. As a guide I recently tasted a young (2000 I think) d'Yquem and found it totally reset my yardstick. I am back in Ar. in Decenmber this year visiting the North West hopefully including a few Torrontes growers in Cafayete area. Could you offer any advice/recommendations for either sweet wines to seek out or fincas to visit?
Gaucho100K
Oct 25, 06, 3:40 pm
Dear Monkey2--
The Miguel Escorihuela Gascon you mention is indeed one of the very good wines of Argentina. I think this label is many times overlooked, and even underestimated, as it looms behind huge names and labels like Angelica Zapata, Catena Zapata, Felipe Rutini, and others. In addition, this wine is a very strong competitor considering its price, well below the Felipe Rutini and the Catena Zapata.
Of the above, only wine 3) has Botrytis involved in its production process. It is currently the only Argentine dessert wine with this characteristic. From your description of your preferences, the Rutini is probably your first choice.
monkey2
Oct 27, 06, 8:28 pm
Many thanks Gaucho, I shall search out the Rutini, I hope it's available in half bottles. The petit manseng sounds an interesting option also, it's not a variety I have (knowingly) tasted. Interestingly an increasing number of small French producers are now labelling lesser known grape variety wines as varietals eg Gros Manseng, Melon de Bourgogne etc. This is clearly an example of the old world being influenced by the so called new.
On another topic, as I mentioned, I will be in the NorthWest for a week in December, any recommendations?
Dear Monkey2--
The Miguel Escorihuela Gascon you mention is indeed one of the very good wines of Argentina. I think this label is many times overlooked, and even underestimated, as it looms behind huge names and labels like Angelica Zapata, Catena Zapata, Felipe Rutini, and others. In addition, this wine is a very strong competitor considering its price, well below the Felipe Rutini and the Catena Zapata.
Of the above, only wine 3) has Botrytis involved in its production process. It is currently the only Argentine dessert wine with this characteristic. From your description of your preferences, the Rutini is probably your first choice.
Gaucho100K
Oct 27, 06, 8:31 pm
The Rutini Vin Doux is only available in 500ml bottles.
syzygy8
Nov 2, 06, 6:41 am
Gaucho, what's your take on the Tikal series of wines? Although I've yet to purchase it retail, when I see a bottle of Patriota on a wine list here in DC I usually go right for it. Aside from Patriota, I've also had another bottle of a Tikal blend, but can't recall which one. I do know I like them A LOT!
Any info on their pedigree? Are they sold in Argentina or made mostly for export?
And what's up with their bottles? (Unless you've had one, you wouldn't know this.) VERY heavy bottles!
Gaucho100K
Nov 4, 06, 11:24 am
Gaucho, what's your take on the Tikal series of wines? Although I've yet to purchase it retail, when I see a bottle of Patriota on a wine list here in DC I usually go right for it. Aside from Patriota, I've also had another bottle of a Tikal blend, but can't recall which one. I do know I like them A LOT!
Any info on their pedigree? Are they sold in Argentina or made mostly for export?
And what's up with their bottles? (Unless you've had one, you wouldn't know this.) VERY heavy bottles!
Im a big fan of the Tikal series of wines. Tikal is part of the Catena Zapata Group, which makes quality wines in pretty much all price segments. They (Tikal) exports about 85% of its production - their local (Argentine) distribution is quite limited. Yes, the bottles are all huge and very heavy.... it seems to be a marketing trend amongst many producers these days.
The Patriota blend you mention is made up of Malbec and Bonarda. The other Tikal wines are Amorio and Jubilo. An older, now discontinued label of this series of wines was called Corazon. If you like these wines, I suggest you also look into tasting the labels of Luca, another line of wines from Catena.
Disclaimer: Im a Buenos Aires based Wine Merchant and I sell all these above mentioned wines.
Gaucho100K
Nov 12, 06, 7:45 am
Ive been trying a few "unusual" wines for Argentina over the past couple of days, including a few red sparkling wines that are noteworthy. Look out for the sparklers made by Sebastian Zuccardi under his Alma 4 label. Its actually the creation of 4 friends, under the leadership of Sebastian, who´s father is one of the shareholders of the large Zuccardi Bodega. Two of his most interesting wines are the Alma 4 Bonarda and Alma 4 Syrah, both red grape sparklers made as red wines.
jrussell
Nov 13, 06, 3:56 pm
Ive been trying a few "unusual" wines for Argentina over the past couple of days, including a few red sparkling wines that are noteworthy. Look out for the sparklers made by Sebastian Zuccardi under his Alma 4 label. Its actually the creation of 4 friends, under the leadership of Sebastian, who´s father is one of the shareholders of the large Zuccardi Bodega. Two of his most interesting wines are the Alma 4 Bonarda and Alma 4 Syrah, both red grape sparklers made as red wines.
jrussell
Nov 13, 06, 4:07 pm
Ive been trying a few "unusual" wines for Argentina over the past couple of days, including a few red sparkling wines that are noteworthy. Look out for the sparklers made by Sebastian Zuccardi under his Alma 4 label. Its actually the creation of 4 friends, under the leadership of Sebastian, who´s father is one of the shareholders of the large Zuccardi Bodega. Two of his most interesting wines are the Alma 4 Bonarda and Alma 4 Syrah, both red grape sparklers made as red wines.
What do you recommend as a serving temperature for the red sparklers? I have an Australian sparkling Shiraz (75%) Cabernet (25%) which I have been wanting to open but was unsure whether to the cool the wine. I assume the Shiraz will be about as assertive as the Alma 4 Syrah.
Gaucho100K, as has been said many times, you are an outstanding asset to this forum and I find your comments immensely helpful, since after many years of delay I am planning my first visit to Argentina in March.
donnyb
Nov 13, 06, 4:23 pm
Aloha:
Thanks for the thread Gaucho, sorry we missed your list, would have been handy during our trip.
Just returned from B.A. and Patagonia...
Bopped all over, and sampled numerous Malbecs (luuuuuv the malbecs).
Our favorites were the Luigi Bosca reserve DOC, was around 70 pesos in the restraunts and 40 in the shops, and Saint Felicien, we tried a 1999, a 2002, and a 2003. The 2002 was dreamy, the 03 acceptable, and the 99 complex but needed 45 mins to air out. Similar in price or slightly less than the Bosca DOC.
Gaucho100K
Nov 13, 06, 5:03 pm
What do you recommend as a serving temperature for the red sparklers? I have an Australian sparkling Shiraz (75%) Cabernet (25%) which I have been wanting to open but was unsure whether to the cool the wine. I assume the Shiraz will be about as assertive as the Alma 4 Syrah.
Gaucho100K, as has been said many times, you are an outstanding asset to this forum and I find your comments immensely helpful, since after many years of delay I am planning my first visit to Argentina in March.
Thank you for the kind words, and very glad to hear you will be heading down here in March. Im sure you will not be dissapointed and will have a great time.
Regarding temperature for red sparklers, Im of the opinion that they should be served at the same temp. as higher end white champagne. This means somewhat higher temperature than a NV Champagne, or approx 7-8 degrees C. I think lower temperatures would kill the nose competely. I dont think its appropriate to not chill red sparklers, since the CO2 would show very poorly at usual red still wine temperatures.
topperge
Dec 5, 06, 9:47 pm
Tomorrow is my last day in BA and of course I got too busy to head over to Gaucho's shop to pick up my wine to take home with me. I'm looking for a Malbec, Torrontes, and dessert wine for under $100 US and packaged to bring back to the US (Is there a maximum number of bottles I can take?). I'd like to find a shop near 344 Santa Maria. Thanks in advance
Matt
gnaget
Dec 5, 06, 10:32 pm
I was quite disappointed to find that many restaurants and bars do not have Torrontes. I was hoping to have some with my Pacu but the restaurant I went to only had pretty blah white wines.
I had been exposed to the grape only shortly before my trip because Trader Joe's had a $5 Torrontes and I needed a cooking wine for fish. I thought it was the best $5 white that I have ever tasted.
I only had Torrontes in one restaurant, some semi-fancy place near the busy square in Palermo Viejo (or is that some other Palermo???). The winery was Don David and it was much better than the stuff from TJs.
What's considered to be the creme de la creme of Torrontes? I think it is a remarkable grape.
topperge
Dec 6, 06, 6:08 am
Tomorrow is my last day in BA and of course I got too busy to head over to Gaucho's shop to pick up my wine to take home with me. I'm looking for a Malbec, Torrontes, and dessert wine for under $100 US and packaged to bring back to the US (Is there a maximum number of bottles I can take?). I'd like to find a shop near 344 Santa Maria. Thanks in advance
Matt
I wrote this when I was way too tired, our offices are actually near 344 San Martin. Heck I don't even know if a Santa Maria even exists :p
Gaucho100K
Dec 6, 06, 6:39 am
I got your PM.... if you are on San Martin you are downtown. Please see my PM reply with the information you requested.
Gaucho100K
Dec 6, 06, 6:43 am
I was quite disappointed to find that many restaurants and bars do not have Torrontes. I was hoping to have some with my Pacu but the restaurant I went to only had pretty blah white wines.
I had been exposed to the grape only shortly before my trip because Trader Joe's had a $5 Torrontes and I needed a cooking wine for fish. I thought it was the best $5 white that I have ever tasted.
I only had Torrontes in one restaurant, some semi-fancy place near the busy square in Palermo Viejo (or is that some other Palermo???). The winery was Don David and it was much better than the stuff from TJs.
What's considered to be the creme de la creme of Torrontes? I think it is a remarkable grape.
The reason for the relatively scarce availability of Torrontes is that traditionally, this grape was used exclusively for very inexpensive wines. Over the last 5 years or so, Torrontes has joined the leagues of quality wines, but its still working its way into the market. Some of the best Torrontes' out there (IMHO) are the following:
Colome Torrontes (Salta) **
San Pedro de Yacochuya Torrontes (Salta)
Susana Balbo Crios Torrontes (Salta)
There are a couple of Torrontes' from Mendoza, but Im not too crazy about those. I share your enthusiasm for Torrontes, its a new exciting grape that will help open new markets for Argentine wines.
slawecki
Dec 15, 06, 9:11 am
I have been very pleased and surprised with my latest purchase of wines from Argentina.
I bought two cases each of Tittarelli sangovesi res., malbec familia res, and tempranillo res. the tempranillo is a real surprise. it is a supurb wine.
also got 4 cases of finca la escondida res chard 04. this is quite a decent chard for the money. They also seem to call themselves Andean Vinas. the vineyard number A-71058 seems to trace to Finca Las Moras. I presume this to be a private labeling for the US(VA) importer. WS gave this wine a 90. don't know if that good, but certainly close. dc stores have it for $13.
Gaucho100K
Dec 15, 06, 9:32 am
On the subject of Torrontes.... the San Pedro de Yacochuya Torrontes 2006 is a very nice, crisp option for those looking to sample this indigenous varietal.
USAFAN
Jan 6, 07, 8:57 am
TIME Magazine from December 25, 2006 Page 28
2006 was a good year for ....
ARGENTINE WINE
Don't cry for Argentina. The popularity of its
wine is soaring. Varieties like Malbec (grown
in the Mendoza region) are winning over U.S.
oenophiles with their bold flavors.
There is a picture with three wine bottles,
one is Foster, the others I can't read.
Good luck Gaucho100K ^
Gaucho100K
Jan 6, 07, 12:19 pm
Thanks USAFan, it has been indeed a good 2006 for the Wines of Argentina. Do you know if there is an online-version of the article? Thanks.
USAFAN
Jan 6, 07, 1:23 pm
Thanks USAFan, it has been indeed a good 2006 for the Wines of Argentina. Do you know if there is an online-version of the article? Thanks.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570826,00.html
Very short .. no pictures
For those interested in Argentine wines with a US connection, check out the wines made by Californian Winemaker Paul Hobbs.
His entry level Nativo line of wines are readily availble throughout the USA, and are more reasonably priced than his premium Bramare line of labels.
slawecki
Feb 7, 07, 6:54 am
in argentine wines, does the term famalia or reserva mean anything?
iCorpRoadie
Feb 7, 07, 7:19 am
Wow, Thank you for your info here! Very good info.
Cholula
Feb 7, 07, 9:12 am
Below is a shortlist of some producers I would recommend looking out for....
Gaucho100K...thanks for this informative thread as well as your contributions to the many other threads in this Forum! Mucho appreciated.
While shopping the wine section at Costco yesterday, I came across a Terrazas de Los Andes Malbec. It's bottled by Bodega Terrazas de Los Andes winery in the Mendoza region.
This winery didn't appear on your recommended list so I was wondering if it was a winery you were familiar with and/or had any comments on?
Thanks....
Gaucho100K
Feb 8, 07, 2:16 pm
Hello Cholula-- I am very familiar with Terrazas, they are a very good producer. Terrazas belongs to the French Multinational LVMH, and are very much a global player in the industry. They make a lot of wine, some very good, and also some others that are just "also-rans". Nothing Terrazas will produce will ever be bad, but perhaps some of their more standard stuff will have no flaws, but perhaps lack a "soul"... if you know what I mean.
Terrazas has many lines of wines... Im assuming you found the Terrazas Alto which is their basic every day wine (the one with the colorful label showing the Andes Mountains). If priced correctly, its a good option for everyday drinking. I think that Cabernet is their best varietal, although the Malbec is their best seller.
Gaucho100K
Feb 8, 07, 5:19 pm
in argentine wines, does the term famalia or reserva mean anything?
Excelent questions... ^ I assume you meant to write "familia" as the first term, am I correct?
" Reserva " has no formal wine meaning in Argentina, so there are no given requirements or specifications that a wine must comply with to use the word Reserva on its labels.
" Familia " means family in Spanish... and has no specific meaning in the labeling of Argentine wines. However, some producers will use the term " Reserva de la Familia " to denote a special limited edition, or a premium label that they may have as part of their portfolio. Depending on the specific producer, this usually means that the wines are of better quality.
SoFlyOn
Feb 8, 07, 5:24 pm
As far as Malbec is concerned, I prefer the Terrazas Alto over the basic offerings of both Norton and Alamos (a Catena brand). You will often find these three labels at the low end (price wise) in many decent restaurants. If you are on a tight budget, or just want something to go with pasta or pizza, I'd recommend the Terrazas Malbec or Cabernet.
John
Gaucho100K
Feb 9, 07, 6:26 am
John-- In a similar price band to the Terrazas Alto, I suggest you try the Juan Benegas Malbec and the Luna Benegas Cabernet. Outside of straight varietals, Benegas also makes an entry level blend under their label Don Tiburcio which I think is a very strong performer. Im not sure if you can get Benegas in SFO, but sourcing these wines in EZE should be no problem.
slawecki
Mar 3, 07, 9:33 am
jancis robinson did argentina. FT article of march 3/4. article starts like most JC articles(locked in room, tasting over 100 wines a day....).
results can be seen here:
http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/20070225
I had purchased a few cases of the tittarelli tempranillo that ms robinson so dislikes. I was amazed as to how delicious I thought this wine to be.
Gaucho100K
Mar 3, 07, 11:38 am
Thanks for the heads up on the JC article... your comment reminds me how important it is to calibrate each & everyone´s palate to a given wine writer.
Yeah.... Robert Parker created a huge stir with this wine, I got 25 calls a day for weeks after that thread got started.... the wine is not sold in Argentina, export market only. I havent been able to get my hands on this, despite trying very hard to do so.
slawecki
Mar 24, 07, 7:25 am
Forget that I present here the malbecs available at La Cabana in Buenos
Aires I have had a few and will note them, these go from expensive down
(IIRC)
Escorihuela Gascon one of my favorite $15 Malbecs
Achaval Ferrer I have seen this one in the US for $29-40
Rutini Rutini is a major player with a wide variety of price points
Alto Las Hormigas another good one
as are Norton and Terrazas
If you can't find any of these ... well, ask again!
Luigi Bosca Reserva
Bodega Leoncio Arizu, Luján de Cuyo, Mendoza
Lamarca
Bodega Lamarca, Tupungato, Mendoza
Altocedro Reserva
Vino de Autor, Santa Rosa, Mendoza
Viña Amalia
Finca La Amalia, Altamira, San Carlos, Mendoza
Terrazas
Terrazas de los Andes, Vistalba, Luján de Cuyo, Mendoza
El Peral
Finca El Peral, Tupungato, Mendoza
Escorihuela Gascon
Bodegas Escorihuela, La Consulta, Vistalba y Agrelo, Mendoza
Gran Malbec
Bodega Flecha de los Andes, Vista Flores, Mendoza
Reserva Malbec
Bodega Jacques & Francois Lurton, Tunuyam, Mendoza
El Plumerillo
Finca El Plumerillo, Colonia Las Rosas, Tunuyán, Mendoza
Santa Ercilia
Bodega Nogal, Valle de Uco, Mendoza
Pascual Toso
Pascual Toso Bodegas y Viñedos, Finca Las Barrancas, Maipú, Mendoza
Fabre - Montmayou
Domaine Vistalba, Luján de Cuyo, Mendoza
Martino
Fincas Don Martino, Agrelo, Luján de Cuyo, Mendoza
Norton Doc
Norton, Luján de Cuyo, Mendoza
this was posted by a personallity named:joseph coulter
Gaucho100K
Mar 24, 07, 11:16 am
Great list of wines.... quite a few I like, others not so much... alas, thats the wonderful thing about wine, or...?
:D
SoFlyOn
Apr 1, 07, 7:17 pm
Yeah.... Robert Parker created a huge stir with this wine, I got 25 calls a day for weeks after that thread got started.... the wine is not sold in Argentina, export market only. I havent been able to get my hands on this, despite trying very hard to do so.
Alex - I picked up a case of this at my local wine merchant today (in California). I was initially confused because my merchant's web site listed it as "Poesia" Pasodoble, and the shelf tag (and also tagged on the case) was Masi Tupungato Passo Doble. But it's the real thing. Price was US$11.99.
I was impressed by a bottle of Clos de Andes Malbec that I opened last week from the same enterprise ($12.99 at Costco in the US). Still plenty of aging potential in this one.
I also picked up a bottle of the Susana Balbo Crios Torrontes ($11.99 retail) - since you and Jancis both agree on this :-)
Saludos!
John
Gaucho100K
Apr 3, 07, 1:52 pm
John... Great buys !!!
BTW, can I trouble you with the fine print on the back label of the Passodoble...? Im looking for website, producer name, maybe a legend that says "bottled by INV _____". Any details you could post on this issue would be really helpful.
The Poesia issue you mention could be because Im assuming that the same importer supplies the Passodoble and the Poesia wines to the retailer you bought your stuff from.
SoFlyOn
Apr 3, 07, 4:46 pm
Alex -
Here's the info. Note the this is Pasodoble (c.f. Masi Tupungato Passo Doble). My wine merchant has carried all three wines, and they corrected the SKU/database entry when I pointed out the mismatch.
Is the INV entry the registration number from the Instituto Nacional de Vitivinicultura? (Note: the web site www.vignoblesgarcin.com is under construction). Now all you need is a taste ....
And congratulazioni on the impending Gauchito!!!
Front label:
Black background, 2005 and ARGENTINA in white lettering, PASODOBLE in red, B/W picture of a couple dancing.
Back label:
PASODOBLE
•AN ARGENTINEAN SENSATION•
2005
A blend of 34% Cabernet Sauvignon, 33% Malbec and 33% Syrah, this seductive wine reflects its Argentinean heritage combined with the expertise of the French family who made it. Try the wine slightly chilled and its passionate style will capture your imagination and sweep you on to the dance floor.
Helène Garcin Alain Raynaud
INV-M.N843441-E
750ml www.vignoblesgarcin.com ALC. 14,5% BY VOL.
PRODUCT OF ARGENTINA
RED WINE MENDOZA - ARGENTINA 34% Cab. Sauv. 33% Malbec 33% Syrah. BOTTLED BY BODEGA No INV B71660 FOR SELECCION VINEA S.A. No EXP.B87880.
Imported by Wine Source Selections (South Kearny, New Jersey).
Gaucho100K
Apr 4, 07, 8:01 am
John, thank you kindly for the well wishes and also for your research on the label. I will get to work using this information !!!
Cheers,
Alex
bakoboy
Apr 21, 07, 8:13 pm
The local market has Madrano Melbec on sale for US$4.99. Tell me if it is good.
Gaucho100K
Apr 22, 07, 7:05 am
Hello Baboboy.... are you sure its Madrano, or perhaps Medrano?
Gaucho100K
Apr 22, 07, 7:08 am
If we are talking about Medrano Malbec, its made by a producer called Lagarde. I havent tasted these wines, but from what I read on the web they are young and unoaked varietals, made under the "easy to drink" concept. If you are looking for a lighter, fruit forward wine with medium structure and not overly complex, this should be a good choice.
bakoboy
Apr 22, 07, 9:55 am
Yes, it is Medrano. I bought a couple of bottles yesterday. I thought it was sort of acidic and young. Nice color and aroma.
Gaucho100K
Apr 22, 07, 4:48 pm
Acidic....? I suggest you try decanting it but that just may mean it needs to be cellared for a while... again, Im just guessing as Ive never tasted this wine.
slawecki
Jun 7, 07, 2:16 pm
BOBBY KACHER IN ARGENTINA
INCAYAL PINOT GRIGIO 2006
A brilliant white wine with delicate green tones . . . fresh, floral nose and a fully viscous, rich, round mouthfeel . . . citrus and traces of licorice . . . think Alsace.
Reg 12.99 . . . Pearson's Price $9.74
ALBERTO FURQUE MALBEC 2004
Vibrant and dense. Beautiful nose with notes of violets, black plum and ripe raspberries. The flavors coat your palate and the tannins are evident. This is a three day wine . . . improving every day.
Reg 13.99 . . . Pearson's Price $10.49
ALBERTO FURQUE SYRAH 2005
Black/purple wine . . . a thick fruit-driven wine with dark fruit and spice . . . aged in oak? you ask . . . not for a minute . . . you need a crusty grilled beef for this one.
Reg 13.99 . . . Pearson's Price $10.49
ALBERTO FURQUE TEMPRANILLO 2005
They transplanted the Tempranillo from Rioja and Ribero del Duero . . . alluring deep, rich color . . . black cherry and mineral . . . silky on the palate a fine long finish.
Reg 13.99 . . . Pearson's Price $10.49
ALBERTO FURQUE ROBLE MALBEC 2002
Furque's reserve Malbec. Old vines, picked late and aged in new oak for a year. Impenetrable color. Sweet nose of vanilla, ripe plum, black cherry, minerals and spice. Hard to compare with anything else for under $50.
Reg 29.99 . . . Pearson's Price $22.49
ALBERTO FURQUE ROBLE SYRAH 2002
Furque's reserve Syrah. Old vines, picked ulltra ripe and aged in new oak for over a year. The color is black purple . . . nose of black raspberry, blackberry, violets and black pepper. Amazing wine at half the price of its perceived value.
Reg 29.99 . . . Pearson's Price $22.49
kacher is a well know french wine importer. he played a prominent role in getting rhone back on the map. gigondas in particular. he has played an important role in improving the quality of red burgundy. he is adamant about dropping fruit, and if the growers will not comply to his wishes, he will not import them. his burgundies are very big and heavy, and some say lack finnesse. the parker reviewers(parker himself has not reviewed burgundy since the '89 catastrophe) love the style. tastes to me like a lot of rhone mixed in, and not enough fruit.
full disclamers...got nothing to do with anybody mentioned here. pearson's is in dc above georgetown, and hell to get to. last been there in '73 or '74.
CousinNick
Jun 8, 07, 4:14 pm
Alex and all,
What do you think of the Weinert brand? We tried their malbec when we were in BsAs recently and were impressed.
Marina45
Jun 9, 07, 7:26 am
Hi folks- anyone know where I can find SANTA ERCILIA (Bodega Nofal) Malbec in the US?? I'm based in NY but will happily order a case from any place that will ship to me. I've found numerous sources in Paris but none in the US...
We had this marvelous light and luscious wine at Cataratas Iguazu a couple of years ago and have been searching for it since then. We're also big fans of Broquel Malbec (2000), Weinert and Rutini.
Gaucho100K
Jun 9, 07, 3:55 pm
Hello Marina-- I would be glad to assist you with what you need (either shipping or assisting you in finding the wine in the USA). Please be so kind as to PM me with you email address and I will contact you.
Gaucho100K
Jun 9, 07, 3:57 pm
Alex and all,
What do you think of the Weinert brand? We tried their malbec when we were in BsAs recently and were impressed.
Im a fan of some of the Weinert labels, although not all of then make by bells ring. If you like their style, you should also look into the wines made by Bodegas Lopez. If you could somehow describe what it was that you liked about Weinert, I could also provide you with some other names you may want to look out for.
Cheers,
Alex
Gaucho100K
Jun 9, 07, 4:01 pm
kacher is a well know french wine importer. he played a prominent role in getting rhone back on the map. gigondas in particular. he has played an important role in improving the quality of red burgundy. he is adamant about dropping fruit, and if the growers will not comply to his wishes, he will not import them. his burgundies are very big and heavy, and some say lack finnesse. the parker reviewers(parker himself has not reviewed burgundy since the '89 catastrophe) love the style. tastes to me like a lot of rhone mixed in, and not enough fruit.
Hi Slawecki-- do you have a website or some other info where I can look into Mr. Kacher? Thanks.
slawecki
Jun 10, 07, 10:51 am
Hi Slawecki-- do you have a website or some other info where I can look into Mr. Kacher? Thanks.
he is based in dc, lives in gigondas(as I recall).
dc is unique in the US in that it does NOT have a required 3 tier system, so kacher serves as both importer and distributor of his wines. to my knowledge, he does no retail. DC retailers frequently have his wines for less than distributors in other states(essentially none of his wines are sold in maryland for this reason).
he became financially stable with the creation and production(exclusive importation?) of Domain de Pouy, a cheap white made from 80% Ugni Blanc(pinot blanc, trebbiano) of armagnac. goes for $5.00 a bottle retail in dc. about 10 years ago, sat with his wife. she told me how many cases of that stuff he imported. something beyond comprehension. maybe 10,000 cases a year.
http://www.sopowine.com/pouy.html
DC/VA area has two other people who do a lot of Argentinian wine importing. Harrison Jones, and Fran Kysela
http://www.whimports.net/
http://www.kysela.com/
Gaucho100K
Jun 10, 07, 4:27 pm
Slawecki, thanks for the information.
Cheers,
Alex
CousinNick
Jun 12, 07, 1:59 am
Im a fan of some of the Weinert labels, although not all of then make by bells ring. If you like their style, you should also look into the wines made by Bodegas Lopez. If you could somehow describe what it was that you liked about Weinert, I could also provide you with some other names you may want to look out for.
Cheers,
Alex
Hmm, that's a good question (thanks for the reply, BTW). It seemed smoother than a lot of the other malbecs, without a bitter bite at the finish. If that makes any sense.
I've also heard Lopez is a solid brand.
Thanks,
Nick
Gaucho100K
Jun 12, 07, 10:41 am
Nick, the bite you mention is usually associated with young wines that need more time in the cellar to complete their maturity process, oak integration, etc. etc. Many everyday wines (Malbec or otherwise) sometimes show these traits.
Apart from Lopez, you should also look into the wines of Bodega Benegas, IMHO one of the best producers in Argentina.
YLU FF
Jun 12, 07, 11:56 am
Fascinating thread Gaucho100K!
As a young'n (28 today!) without the knowledge of the seasoned oenophiles here on FT, what are some good Argentinian wines to lay down? The wine critic in our local paper is of the opinion that it is rarely worthwhile to age cheaper wines but I noticed you have comment to the contrary in several instances.
BTW, the Argentinian wines are considered the best bang for the buck here in Quebec by those in the know. I recently had a very reasonable Malbec for $8 CAD. A price that low would normally relegate a wine to plonk status but the Argentinian wines are an exception to that rule.
Gaucho100K
Jun 12, 07, 12:51 pm
As a young'n (28 today!) without the knowledge of the seasoned oenophiles here on FT, what are some good Argentinian wines to lay down? The wine critic in our local paper is of the opinion that it is rarely worthwhile to age cheaper wines but I noticed you have comment to the contrary in several instances.
My point is always that with wine, you have to dwell into the details. Everything is relative... its hard to speak in absolute terms. What is your definition of "laying down"... (as in how many years are we talking about?). Are we talking about 3-4 years, or 10+ years?
Also, what is the definition of "cheap/inexpensive". One persons every-day bottle of wine could very well be the special occasion wine for another. Also, price points for wines are different from market to market, this is especially the case for Canada where the state & provinces tend to tax alcohol with a heavy hand.
However, not to leave you questions completely unanswered, let me say this. The everyday wines that will usually retail below USD10-15 per bottle are made to be consumed young, which means during the first 2 or max. 3.5 years after they are released. As a general rule, the wines that you can think about to lay down for a minimum of 5+ years are usually priced at levels of USD30-35 and above. This however does not mean that some of these value-for-money wines will not benefit from buying them and laying them down a few months (6-8 months or so). This period is not a long time when discussing wines/cellar life, but for young wines with a total shelf life of -say- 3 or so years, cellaring them for 6 or so months can make a difference, especially in the better made wines from established producers.
Wine is a very tricky, multi-variable animal where is very hard to generalize and establish 100% clear-cut rules to follow. To find the best answer, its best to look at things on a case by case basis. Apart from storage and cellaring, there is also the issue of correct service temperature, use of a decanter (or not), proper glassware, etc. etc. etc. As I say above, the devil is very much in the details.
If you have a couple of names of the producers and labels that are available in your area, I would be happy to assist you in picking out a few that I think will age well.
Cheers from Buenos Aires,
Alex (Gaucho100K)
audio-nut
Jun 12, 07, 3:31 pm
I am headed down to BA tomorrow and I have been instructed to pick up a bottle of either Trivento Reserve 2003 or Trumpeter 2002 (or 2003).
Any recommendation on where to do this (I will be staying downtown at the Sheraton) and how to get it home (I am bringing a 22" roll aboard). Do wine stores sell Styrofoam cases that travel in cargo holds well?
Thanks!
audio-nut
Jun 15, 07, 12:27 am
I am headed down to BA tomorrow and I have been instructed to pick up a bottle of either Trivento Reserve 2003 or Trumpeter 2002 (or 2003).
Any recommendation on where to do this (I will be staying downtown at the Sheraton) and how to get it home (I am bringing a 22" roll aboard). Do wine stores sell Styrofoam cases that travel in cargo holds well?
Thanks!
due to weather i am not making it down there until Saturday. anyone have advice? i will have internet access down there to check this thread
cheers
CousinNick
Jun 17, 07, 2:56 pm
Nick, the bite you mention is usually associated with young wines that need more time in the cellar to complete their maturity process, oak integration, etc. etc. Many everyday wines (Malbec or otherwise) sometimes show these traits.
Apart from Lopez, you should also look into the wines of Bodega Benegas, IMHO one of the best producers in Argentina.
Alex,
Thanks for the advice, and for your excellent suggestions both on this thread and others. I will be on the lookout for Benegas.
Cheers,
Nick
Gaucho100K
Jun 17, 07, 4:17 pm
Nick-- my pleasure, good luck hunting for the Benegas... ^
Gaucho100K
Jun 19, 07, 9:48 am
IMPORTANT UPDATE:
Good news for those wanting to bring back a nice quantity of their favorite Argentine wines to the US. Here is the official rule explained on the TSA website. The 5 liter rule applies to flammable products, but wine is not one of the substances that is regulated because it does not fit into the alcohol content category.
Please see below in RED the limitations for hard licquor, and in BLUE the explicit exclusion of liquids such as wine that are below 24% alcohol content:
Carrying Alcohol In Your Checked Baggage
Please note, you can’t take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage.
You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it’s packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.
Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.
good article in today's WSJ (fri, june22) on wines of argentina. limited to malbec
arg imports have caught chile. no surprise to me, as many dislike the taste of carmenere, and it is put into almost everything coming out of chile.
first choice was a Rutini 2004, high on the list was a nieto sentiner reserva 2004(at 7 bucks).
also mentioned
Caro
el felino
terazas de andes
alamos
LA POSTA DEL VINATERO "ANGEL PAULUCCI VINEYARD"
SUSANA BALBO (DOMINIO DEL PLATA
Gaucho100K
Jun 22, 07, 11:04 am
Caro is a joint venture between Catena Zapata and Rotschild.
El Felino is a Malbec made by Californian Winemaker Paul Hobbs.
Terrazas de los Andes is a subsidiary of the French Luxury Goods Conglomerate LVMH.
Alamos is a brand of the Catena Zapata group.
Dont know the last two labels mentioned.
Panam Clipper
Jun 22, 07, 8:58 pm
Here's the link to that article in today's Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/tastings.html
Very positive indeed and I already have a couple of the recommended ones.
Gaucho100K
Jun 23, 07, 5:17 pm
Rutini, the top wine in the above "survey" is made by Mariano Di Paola, chief winemaker at Rutini who is one of Argentina's best known and respected winemakers. Di Paola also makes a line of wines from his own bodega, Mapema which are also very good.
Gaucho100K
Jun 24, 07, 8:58 am
Here's a weekend wine tasting note I wanted to share with all of you:
Benegas Don Tiburcio 2004
Mendoza, Argentina
Great QPR blend of Cabernet, Malbec, Merlot & Cab. Franc made by Federico Benegas. Intense red color with shades of violet... balanced and inviting nose of plums and red fruits. Nice attack, big mouthfill that has the right amount of acidity, fruit, and oak thats well integrated. Medium+ finish. Great value at approx. USD12 per bottle.
Gaucho100K
Jul 14, 07, 11:59 am
While Argentina makes some great Merlots, much of it goes into the high-end blends made by various producers. Here is a 100% Merlot that is IMO very special and also offers attractive QPR.
Banfi Cinco Tierras Premium Merlot 2003
Mendoza, Argentina
Made from old-vines from the sub regions of La Consulta & Agrelo, this 100% Merlot is aged in French Oak (50% first year) for 12 months. Shiny deep red color, complex nose of fruits, coffe & spices. Big attack full of very ripe red fruits, good balance and finish. Only 8,000 bottles produced.
slawecki
Jul 19, 07, 8:04 am
While Argentina makes some great Merlots, much of it goes into the high-end blends made by various producers. Here is a 100% Merlot that is IMO very special and also offers attractive QPR.
Banfi Cinco Tierras Premium Merlot 2003
Mendoza, Argentina
Made from old-vines from the sub regions of La Consulta & Agrelo, this 100% Merlot is aged in French Oak (50% first year) for 12 months. Shiny deep red color, complex nose of fruits, coffe & spices. Big attack full of very ripe red fruits, good balance and finish. Only 8,000 bottles produced.
from Wine searcher.
Cinco Tierras Familia 750ML 2002
90 POINTS - A proprietary blend of 50% Merlot and 50% Malbec. It is remarkably robust, tannic on the end, and very rich, and very deep in this price class. It is intense, too, not a fruit bomb, and there are touches of acid on the finish. This is opulent and powerful, rather tightly wound, too. Very nice. This winery is known as "Banfi" in Argentina but cannot market that way here. Their other label here is "Sorbus." $30.
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Looks like this is the wine. these people give 20% off for full cases, and ship, although I cannot find shipping prices. they are in NJ.
Cinco Tierras Res. Merlot 750ML 2003
87 POINTS - Well focused and sunny, this is a very pleasing Merlot. There are cherry nuances and the fruit is relatively expansive and open. There is no reason this can't be drunk now, and should be treated as a short term wine. It is a wine that is extremely pleasing and attractive at this point, gentle, flavorful and balanced. $13.
I presume this "Banfi" is not the same BANFI as in the great Lambrusco of Long Island and now holder of square miles of Montalcino,
Gaucho100K
Jul 19, 07, 11:28 am
You are correct, the Argentine Banfi (Cinco Tierras) is not the same producer as the Italian Banfi mentioned above.
naxos
Jul 19, 07, 12:06 pm
Regarding wine in your checked baggage
Just returned from Buenos Aires with 15 botles of wine- 2 six packs boxed and 3 bottles in luggage wrapped in bubble wrap. The only potential problem we had was checking in at the Delta counter when asked about the wine we had boxed- when we said we had 12 bottles in the boxes, the agent started quoting the 5 liter rule- I protested that it only covered hight alcohol bottles- anyway it was resolved by assuring her that the bottles in the six packs were less than a liter. Two of us were travelling and the agent who took our bags told us that the 2 boxes of wine had to be checked under different names because of the 5 liter rule ( which really does not apply). At the US Customs end- we declared 15 bootles of wine and all we heard from the customs agent was "welcome home".
Thanks to Gaucho for all his advice and time!!!!!
Gaucho100K
Jul 19, 07, 2:19 pm
Regarding wine in your checked baggage
Just returned from Buenos Aires with 15 botles of wine- 2 six packs boxed and 3 bottles in luggage wrapped in bubble wrap. The only potential problem we had was checking in at the Delta counter when asked about the wine we had boxed- when we said we had 12 bottles in the boxes, the agent started quoting the 5 liter rule- I protested that it only covered hight alcohol bottles- anyway it was resolved by assuring her that the bottles in the six packs were less than a liter. Two of us were travelling and the agent who took our bags told us that the 2 boxes of wine had to be checked under different names because of the 5 liter rule ( which really does not apply). At the US Customs end- we declared 15 bootles of wine and all we heard from the customs agent was "welcome home".
Thanks for your report.... its important to have folks start to tell these bozo gate agents that they are WRONG about the 5 liter rule which DOES NOT apply to wines.
BTW, if someone has experience with AA ou UA quoting the 5 liter rule, please report this. Until now, Ive heard only of CO and DL agents trying to pose problems with this.
Cornroaster
Jul 28, 07, 8:14 pm
We're having a Bodega Septima 2005 Malbec with dinner tonight - red wine with T-Bone steak. We picked up the wine at the Piggly-Wiggly Supermarket in Edgerton, WI for $8. Any comments?
We're having a Bodega Septima 2005 Malbec with dinner tonight - red wine with T-Bone steak. We picked up the wine at the Piggly-Wiggly Supermarket in Edgerton, WI for $8. Any comments?
The Septima is a straight-forward, honest, Malbec. It wont be memorable but should still be very good with steak.
Watch service temperature (15C) and open 30 mins before serving.
The Septima is a straight-forward, honest, Malbec. It wont be memorable but should still be very good with steak.
Watch service temperature (15C) and open 30 mins before serving.
Thanks. As usual, your comments describe it perfectly. I thought it was a reasonable price for a reasonable bottle of wine. My wife looked at the bottle and commented that it is amazing that you can get a bottle of wine for such a good price that has gone through many hands on the way to our table. Just out of curiosity, would such a wine be bottled in Argentina at the winery or shipped in a cask and bottled in the US? It says on the label, "Produced & Bottled by Codorniu Argentina S.A. Mendoza Argentina." Do they do their bottling in Mendoza or elsewhere in Argentina? Would they be a winery that grows their own grapes or buys grapes from other growers? Thanks for any insight you can provide to answer our curiosity.
Gaucho100K
Jul 30, 07, 7:24 am
Septima is a Bodega that is owned by the Spanish conglomerate Codorniu (a very large Spanish producer). They have many different labels of different price points & qualities.
The Septima Malbec that you purchased is indeed bottled in Argentina - in Mendoza. There are some wines that are bottled in the USA from bulk wine produced in Mendoza, but the wine you mention is not the case.
Septima owns some vineyards, but they also buy third party grapes. For a USD 8 bottle of wine, the chances are that the grapes are third party, although its also common practice for growers to use their own grapes from vines that have just recently been planted (when vines are very young, they usually dont have the quality of grapes needed for the best wines). Im afraid I dont know the exact details of the origin of the grapes for the Septima Malbec.
The Malbec grape was largely a failure in France because vintners could never coax a rich wine from it. But malbec flourishes in Mendoza, a region of Argentina adjacent to the Andes. Characterized by a spicy, dark fruit, these malbec wines can be complex, intense, and worthy of aging. In fact, they can compete with Bordeaux several times the price. Here are some favorites. ...
In fact, they can compete with Bordeaux several times the price......along with a lot of other wines.
label drinkers pay a hundred bucks to drink pretty muddy crappy bordeaux or burgundy. the burgundy sells out(more or less), and the bordeaux is still in france. Not good to compare to those wines.
I'm not knocking the argentenian wines. just that there are a lot of $50-100 wines of equal quality and that would be a better comparison.
Gaucho100K
Aug 7, 07, 5:57 pm
I agree that the wine marker is more competitive and continues to get tougher with every new vintage. The Old World Mecca of France (but also other traditional producers) are continuing to be fiercly attacked by excellent quality wines from many "new" players, not only Argentina. Australia, South Africa and Chile are also contenders.
Despite the interest of the established world producers to "box-in" these new countries into very limited areas of supposed-expertise, the old school boys are now being attacked in all fronts.
Argentina is much more than Malbec....
Australia is much more than Shiraz...
South Africa is much more than Pinotage...
Chile is much more than Carmenere...
etc.
etc.
etc.
All things considered... its a GREAT time to be a consumer & wine aficionado.... :D ^
lesenok
Aug 7, 07, 9:27 pm
This wine is an outstanding Malbec from Patagonia. By chance, I bought 2 bottles when I was in BA last year and really enjoyed the dense red wine with dark berry fruit flavor. Has anyone tried this wine ?
Gaucho100K
Aug 8, 07, 7:58 am
This wine is an outstanding Malbec from Patagonia. By chance, I bought 2 bottles when I was in BA last year and really enjoyed the dense red wine with dark berry fruit flavor. Has anyone tried this wine ?
Yes!!! ^ ^
The wine you mention is made by Bodega Noemia. The J. Alberto is the second wine of this producer... its a great Malbec with a dash of Merlot. This house also makes a 3rd label called A. Lisa which is also very good. Their flagship wine, called Noemia, is a pure Malbec that is very expensive and made in very small quantities. The 2005 vintage is to be released sometime next year.
Gaucho100K
Aug 22, 07, 4:29 pm
If you are interested in the wines of Patagonia, another producer to look out for is Marcus, especially their Marcus Gran Reserva line of wines.
Im not crazy about the Malbec in their lineup, but their Merlot & Pinot Noir are both very good. They also make a Cabernet Franc which would be one of my favorites in its category only it doesnt have what it takes to compete with the Benegas Lynch.
Cornroaster
Aug 30, 07, 9:05 pm
Hi Gaucho -
I don't know if you saw this article that just showed up today.
Will you be stocking some of the grape based vodka in your wine shop in EZE? Have you tasted any of it yet? Just thought you would be interested in the article.
Gaucho100K
Aug 31, 07, 6:07 am
Hi Cornroaster, thanks for providing the link to the article. I dont carry the specific vodka mentiones, but I do have a few spirits made from grapes that are being produced in Mendoza (Grappas to be precise).
Gaucho100K
Sep 10, 07, 7:39 am
The least known member of the Catena family, Ernesto, has launched his own line of wines. Highlights of his collection are......
Siesta is the reserve line, Tahuan their base offering. The Tahuan series is meant to be consumed young, around 2-3 years from release while the reserve Siesta series will cellar well for 5-7 years, some labels even more.
A new player of interest has entered the Argentine Sparkling Wine Market. Bodega Cruzat Larrain just launched their first three wines, Cruzar Brut, Cruzat Rose and Cruzat Nature.
All three Sparklers are 100% methode Champenoise, and have a very interesting style, each label with its own personality.
A new player of interest has entered the Argentine Sparkling Wine Market. Bodega Cruzat Larrain just launched their first three wines, Cruzar Brut, Cruzat Rose and Cruzat Nature.
All three Sparklers are 100% methode Champenoise, and have a very interesting style, each label with its own personality.
Any idea of the price Gaucho100K compared to the others?
Gaucho100K
Mar 4, 08, 10:59 am
The Cruzat sparklers are in the same price bracket as the mid-range Baron B wines. The Cruzat Brut is AR$60 per bottle, and the Rose & Nature go for AR$65 per bottle. This is aprox USD20 per bottle.
Hiddy, another name for you to consider (in a similar price bracket) is Alma4, made by Zuccardi.
I'm taking notes, don't worry Gaucho100K. ;)
Gaucho100K
Mar 17, 08, 6:08 am
I thought it would be a good idea to list a couple of suggestions for wines that are solid performers in the price bracket of USD15-20ish per bottle. Im setting the upper price limit at AR$65. I will list a few labels in each major wine category:
All prices in AR$ (pesos) per bottle, current as of 03/2008** - current FX rate is approx. AR$3.18 = US$1.00
Sparkling Wines:
Ernesto Catena Alma Negra Espumante NV / AR$65
Baron B Extra Brut NV / AR$49
Baron B Nature 2004 / AR$60
Cruzat Larrain Brut NV / AR$60
Cruzat Larrain Rose NV / AR$65
Cruzat Larrain Nature NV / AR$65
Red Wines (blends):
La Azul Reserva Blend 2004 / AR$75
Escorihuela Gascon Syrah Malbec 2004 / AR$40
Don Tiburcio Benegas 2005 / AR$40
Rutini Cabernet Malbec 2005 / AR$55
Viña Qaramy Pachahuasi 2005 / AR$55
Domaine St. Diego PuraSangre 2003 / AR$65
BiziBB
Mar 17, 08, 5:17 pm
Excellent, Gaucho200k... tasting notes would be appreciated for the best buys. :)
D1andonlyDman
Jul 14, 08, 11:42 am
I thought that I'd bump up this thread with a few of the better Argentine wine values that I've had recently here in California - some of these I tried in Mendoza during my visit a few months ago, others I only tried once I started hunting for great values in Argentine wines back home:
Top Tier Stuff:
Mendel Unus 2005 - selling for < $37 at Costco - great, ageworthy stuff
Achaval Ferrer 2005 Quimera. This was the best wine I tasted in Argentina
I preferred it to their single vineyard Malbecs that cost over 2X as much.
I lugged 3 bottles back in my luggage, only to find that it's widely
available here in California, for $30-40 a bottle.
Almost as good, superb values:
Clos de los Siete 2006. Widely available in CA for $15-18 A great wine
at a genuinely great price - This wine is comparable to $60-75 Pomerols
Melipal 2005 Malbec. A really high quality Malbec for around $15
Really Cheap stuff that's surprisingly good:
La Boca 2007 Malbec. $2.99 at Trader Joes - FAR better than any of the
well known 2 Buck Chucks. The cheapest decent wine I've had in years.
Fantelli 2006 Cabernet Sauvignon. a SHOCKINGLY good $5 Cabernet
flyr16
Jul 14, 08, 9:40 pm
And, for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere, where summer is now upon us:
Susana Balbo Rose is a terrific wine. About $12-14 a bottle. As good as most any other Rose I drink regardless of price point. It has also gotten good attention on some well informed wine lists.
For reds, the Punto Final Reserva has also been terrific, from the bottles I've had over the past few months.
D1andonlyDman
Jul 28, 08, 3:22 pm
Just because it's summer doesn't mean one needs to drink pigmentally challenged wines.
Gaucho100K
Jul 29, 08, 9:37 am
Glad to read there continue to be more and more Argentine wine fans on FT.... :D ^
Gaucho100K
Aug 5, 08, 10:09 am
Updating this thread to include a few new labels that I suggest looking at:
- Ricomenciare Malbec/Cabernet Franc
- Ricomenciare Altissimo Cabernet Franc
- Ricomenciare Altissimo Malbec
- Durigutti Familia Malbec Reserve
- Durigutti Malbec
SoFlyOn
Aug 8, 08, 10:47 pm
I thought that I'd bump up this thread with a few of the better Argentine wine values that I've had recently here in California - some of these I tried in Mendoza during my visit a few months ago, others I only tried once I started hunting for great values in Argentine wines back home:
Top Tier Stuff:
...
Achaval Ferrer 2005 Quimera. This was the best wine I tasted in Argentina
I preferred it to their single vineyard Malbecs that cost over 2X as much.
I lugged 3 bottles back in my luggage, only to find that it's widely
available here in California, for $30-40 a bottle.
...
I agree - this is a spectacular wine for its price. I just ordered up another case from K&L here in northern California - $29.99 + tax. I see online that the 2006 vintage is 25% more expensive (although I've not found a bottle yet locally).
The 2005 still appears to be widely available throughout the US - a true steal!
John
SoFlyOn
Aug 9, 08, 5:09 pm
...
Really Cheap stuff that's surprisingly good:
La Boca 2007 Malbec. $2.99 at Trader Joes - FAR better than any of the
well known 2 Buck Chucks. The cheapest decent wine I've had in years.
...
I'm munching on this one right now. I think it tastes much better chilled ... an ideal BBQ wine.
I agree - this is a spectacular wine for its price. I just ordered up another case from K&L here in northern California - $29.99 + tax. I see online that the 2006 vintage is 25% more expensive (although I've not found a bottle yet locally).
The 2005 still appears to be widely available throughout the US - a true steal!
John
When you're at K&L, definitely grab the 2006 Clos de los Siete - it's got to be the best $15 Bottle they have in the store.
BTW, Wine Club has the 2006 Quimera listed for $34.95, which is the same price that they had the 2005 for.
SoFlyOn
Aug 11, 08, 10:32 pm
When you're at K&L, definitely grab the 2006 Clos de los Siete - it's got to be the best $15 Bottle they have in the store.
...Some inebriate seems to have already acquired K&L's remaining inventory ;)
:p
I'm also mulling over turning it into Glühwein next winter. :D
Gaucho100K
Aug 12, 08, 7:08 am
I'm also mulling over turning it into Glühwein next winter. :D
Excellent choice..... good Gluehwein must be made with decent quality plonk... :D ^
TYORR
Aug 13, 08, 9:02 am
What is the reason for Chardonnay is not Popirar in Argentina.?
Which winery the recommendation it brewed within 5 yrs approx. between ARS50-150 in store price.
SoFlyOn
Aug 13, 08, 2:23 pm
Alex - Did you ever get your hands on the Pasodoble from Helène Garcin that you enquired about last year?
John
Gaucho100K
Aug 14, 08, 7:05 am
What is the reason for Chardonnay is not Popirar in Argentina.?
Which winery the recommendation it brewed within 5 yrs approx. between ARS50-150 in store price.
Hello Tyorr-- Im not sure I agree with the assessment that Chardonnay is not popular in Argentina.... it is perhaps true that the current market demand for red wines is much greater that for whites (Im talking still wines only, as the sparkling market down here is huge), alas, amonst white wines, Chardonnay is Queen... perhaps sharing the spotlight with Torrontes.
Not sure what you are asking in your second sentence... but I will guess you are looking for a Chardonnay that will cellar well for approx 5 years and that is in your indicated price range.... if so, here go some labels I suggest you consider looking out for:
Alex - Did you ever get your hands on the Pasodoble from Helène Garcin that you enquired about last year?
John-- its funny you would ask this now... I just got a request for the wines of this producer from one of my clients this past week. Im afraid that I still cannot have someone from this producer give me an answer.
Its a case of a winery that is run by "remote control" from France, owned by a wealthy & prestigious family that doesnt seem to care much about selling their product. Most of this wine is exported to Europe, and they never got around to organizing a professional distribution here in Argentina...
Im still trying to get an email address for Helene Garcin in the hope that a direct plight to her may yield at least a straight answer as to whether I will ever be able to purchase these wines.... or not.
Will let you know when (and if) I get an answer.
Cheers,
Alex (Gaucho100K)
TYORR
Aug 14, 08, 7:47 am
In the country of both sides of Andes, I feel the red wine an overwhelming main current.
I love white wine. So I'm seeking some of good one if possible.
I drank several white wines in the restaurant at BA. However, feeling did not have the one worth.
SoFlyOn
Aug 14, 08, 12:57 pm
Alex - Are all the Poesia labels (Clos des Andes, Pasodoble, and Poesia) unavailable in Argentina?
According to the Poesia web site http://www.vignoblesgarcin.com/index_bp.php?dom=bp&lang=en there are 2006 vintages of Pasodoble (the Malbec blend and a Torrontés), as well as a Clos des Andes Torrontés, although none of those seem to be (yet) available in the US.
John-- I dont doubt the wines are being produced and sold to the export markets.... I just cant say they are readily available in Argentina.
In my experience, some bottles do show up at some of the top hotels from time to time.... but I dont know of a retailer that has a regular supply of any of Helene's wines... if you know where they are... please let me know!!! :D
Speaking of great vintage years.... after some extensive tasting of some of the older wines in my cellar, Ive upgraded the vintage 1997 to the list of best years of the 1990s for Argentina. These wines are showing amazing power and balance as they are just about to turn 11 years of age... this is a "hidden" top vintage for Argentina as most people remember the horrible 1998 and outstanding 1999.... 1997 has now become my favorite dark horse vintage
nytango
Aug 15, 08, 5:22 pm
Alex, we are back in BsAs and in between milongasI was wondering if there is an Argentine desert wine similar to a Vin Santo.
Gaucho100K
Aug 15, 08, 9:30 pm
Alex, we are back in BsAs and in between milongasI was wondering if there is an Argentine desert wine similar to a Vin Santo.
Yes.... there are a few dessert wines that are very similar to what Vin Santo will usually offer. Ive mentioned a few of these labels on various threads on these boards.... feel to PM or email me on this so that we can discuss further.
Gaucho100K
Sep 12, 08, 5:28 am
A new producer to watch out for is Jorge Catena... and his Ricomenciare line of wines. Good stuff.... more details later.
Gaucho100K
Sep 26, 08, 5:46 pm
Here are the details of the four new wines from the Ricomenciare winery:
Ricomenciare Altisimo Malbec 2006
Ricomenciare Altisimo Cabernet Franc 2006
Ricomenciare Malbec/Cabernet Franc 2006
Ricomenciare Cabernet Sauvignon/Cabernet Franc 2006
globe_spinner
Sep 26, 08, 6:00 pm
Angelica Zapata Malbec Alta
The most Amazing wine I have ever had! I brought three bottles back from a trip to Buenos Aires in 2005 and just had the last one two months ago--I have searched and search--you can not get it in the states.
Indeed, the Angelica Zapata series of wines are not normally available in North America & Europe. It is a very special wine... but sourcing it does have some issues,
Indeed, the Angelica Zapata series of wines are not normally available in North America & Europe. It is a very special wine... but sourcing it does have some issues,
Feel free to PM me should you need any details.
2004 Adrianna Vineyard - Malbec &
2004 Nicasia Vineyard - Malbec
are available at macarthur in dc.
is it of similar quality? or is the angelica even more good yet.
Gaucho100K
Sep 27, 08, 2:31 pm
The above mentioned single vineyard wines are also of excellent quality, comparable to the Angelica Malbec - and some single vineyards (depending on the vintage) can be even better.
rolov
Oct 4, 08, 7:27 pm
Here are the details of the four new wines from the Ricomenciare winery:
Ricomenciare Altisimo Malbec 2006
Ricomenciare Altisimo Cabernet Franc 2006
Ricomenciare Malbec/Cabernet Franc 2006
Ricomenciare Cabernet Sauvignon/Cabernet Franc 2006
Senor Malbec
Are those wines going to be exported ?
Here are the details of the four new wines from the Ricomenciare winery:
Ricomenciare Altisimo Malbec 2006
Ricomenciare Altisimo Cabernet Franc 2006
Ricomenciare Malbec/Cabernet Franc 2006
Ricomenciare Cabernet Sauvignon/Cabernet Franc 2006
Senor Malbec
Are those wines going to be exported ?
Exports are planned, but production is still soo small its hard to say when this will happen.
samftla
Oct 4, 08, 9:14 pm
Angelica Zapata Malbec Alta
The most Amazing wine I have ever had! I brought three bottles back from a trip to Buenos Aires in 2005 and just had the last one two months ago--I have searched and search--you can not get it in the states.
I can only hope to go back and get more some day.
Actually you can find it on the east coast. Here is one link
http://www.shopriteliquors.com/sku16160.html
about $50 USD a bottle for the 2004 only showing 5 bottles left
The most Amazing wine I have ever had! I brought three bottles back from a trip to Buenos Aires in 2005 and just had the last one two months ago--I have searched and search--you can not get it in the states.
I can only hope to go back and get more some day.
Actually you can find it on the east coast. Here is one link
http://www.shopriteliquors.com/sku16160.html
about $50 USD a bottle for the 2004 only showing 5 bottles left
Suerte
SAM
SAM-- The wine you found is not Angelica Malbec. The Catena Alta is in a similar price bracket, but it is not the same wine.
just found this thread by accident - and i am glad that i did. I have tasted malbec over the last three years in different restaurants and enjoyed it - now i know more
Another great producer to look out for is Sur de los Andes. They are expanding distribution in the USA so be on the lookout. My favorites are the Infinito and the Gran Reserve Malbec, but their classic line is very good also and is a stellar performer in terms of QPR.
rolov
Oct 27, 08, 9:43 pm
Gaucho100K
Yesterday I shared with some friends and family,a bottle of Benegas Lynch Meritage 2004 that you suggested . :D:D:D
Today I got an unexpected call from my local wine shop telling me that I might want to stop by and check out the latest arrival.
Some amazing pics you have there.... I only wish I could get some of that stuff here!!!!! (envy) ;)
Let me know next time you are in town....
Cheers,
Gaucho100K
rolov
Oct 28, 08, 11:31 am
Hi Rolov.... how did you enjoy the Meritage..???
Some amazing pics you have there.... I only wish I could get some of that stuff here!!!!! (envy) ;)
Let me know next time you are in town....
Cheers,
Gaucho100K
I will do , Im trying to get down there before the holidays to see my abuela , but right now it is still up in the air.
The Meritage was excellent , I thought that I had 2 bottles , but It turns out it was just that one :mad:
I still have 2 Bodegas Azul, and 1 Zuccardi Zeta and a Siesta Del Tanhuan.....(spelling)
Gaucho100K
Oct 29, 08, 5:26 am
Back to the Catena Zapata.... ask your local merchant if he can get you some large formats of these wines... great to cellar for a while and open for a nice party... :D
rolov
Oct 29, 08, 7:38 am
Back to the Catena Zapata.... ask your local merchant if he can get you some large formats of these wines... great to cellar for a while and open for a nice party... :D
I think Im pretty happy with the amount I have for now
plus Im out of room in the wine cellar which is a good thing for the credit card :D
Gaucho100K
Nov 1, 08, 8:07 am
Yesterday, I sat down and had a marathon session of the new vintages of Ernesto Catena's Tahuan & Siesta series of wines.... some excellent new vintages, mostly 05s and also a few 06s that are going to be blockbusters. The more "senior" 06s in this collection are still sleeping in the cellars and will be released in 2Q of 2009... Im looking forward to trying those once again (last sampling was from barrel) in the near future.
Gaucho: most of us wish we had your wonderful profession.
Gaucho100K
Nov 2, 08, 2:11 pm
Gaucho: most of us wish we had your wonderful profession.
Its hard work.... (hic!)... but... someone has to do it!!!
(hic!)
:D
Eastbay1K
Nov 2, 08, 2:29 pm
Estimado Dios Malbec,
Do you have any opinion on Valentin Bianchi? I met a consulting winemaker from there yesterday (who is from Northern Cal) and enjoyed what he was pouring - decent price/quality ratio.
Gaucho100K
Nov 2, 08, 6:17 pm
Thanks for the designation.... but lets not exaggerate... :D
Bianchi makes good wines, and some of their higher end stuff is very good. Having said this, in general I find there wines, while well made, are lacking of a distinct character... sometimes in wine you say wines with no soul. And yes, they do have many labels with very good QPR.
The wines that I like most from Bianchi are their high end offerings....
- Enzo Bianchi Grand Cru
- Bianchi Stradivarius (series)
Gaucho100K
Nov 4, 08, 3:56 am
Three new launches for the domestic market to report on......
Catena Zapata has made available two wines that until now were export market only.... these are:
DV Catena Adrianna Vineyard Malbec 2003
DV Catena Nicasia Vineyard Malbec 2003
Also... Catena has entered the super-premium Champagne market with the introduction of their DV Catena Nature 2007.... a traditional methode Champenoise blend that has been long anticipated by the markets.
Gaucho100K
Nov 8, 08, 4:09 am
Another nice entry level Malbec that Ive just added to our list is the Durigutti Malbec 2006... very good QPR... ^