Hi all. As many of you have noticed Carson Wagonlit's tool appears to no longer be working. It seems that they have changed their backend at ITN.

We still have one tool that appears to be working ok for now, which is the T&T tool. You can find it at http://flyaow.com/class.htm

If you know of any other websites that happen to utilize the old ITN engine please let me know and we'll see if we can develop a front end tool to create a few more options.

It seems that many of the ITN hosted products are changing to different backends and I fear that the ITN based tools may become a thing of the past soon.

Cheers!

P.S. We just added a few more ITN based tools that work if you are flying specific airlines. They are all available at http://flyaow.com/class.htm

It is a random bunch of airlines, but we are looking for more, and would welcome your tips of other websites that utilize ITN to see if we can create a tool for them.

Cheers!

Thanks. ^

Useful tools -- and especially free, useful tools -- are always welcome.

I've been using Travel & Transport's (www.tandt.com) tool. Go to Online Reservations & create an account in expert mode (similar to how you had to have it set up for the old Amex site) and it will pull ITN information.

Thank you for the comments about tandt. You can access the advanced mode of their tool without creating an account from this form: http://flyaow.com/classtandt.htm

Cheers!

I did use Carson Wagonlit's tool to price a pretty difficult routing with 8 legs that comes up in the ITN-Matrix.

Unfortunately the tool isn't working any longer as you said and now I cannot find any booking engine to price the trip as it was.

the tant one cannot handle multi-city trips (at least I cannot find it) :(

Does anyone know of any option on where it is possible to price and book a multi-city trip (8 legs) preferably with class availability?

Thanks in advance!

I just played around with the T&T tool a bit and think I have a working multi-city availability checker now: http://flyaow.com/classtandtmulti.htm

Comments most appreciated.

Cheers!

Did someone find the tool that works for the Alitalia AZ flights?

I just played around with the T&T tool a bit and think I have a working multi-city availability checker now: http://flyaow.com/classtandtmulti.htm

Comments most appreciated.

Cheers!

^ Great Job! Thanks a lot...

...one more thing. The tool doesn't come up with connections of less than 45 Minutes. The ITN-Matrix Software shows me a 44 Minute connection at PTY. Is there any way of bypassing this?

Did someone find the tool that works for the Alitalia AZ flights?

Try the T&T Tool mentioned above. I just tried it for Rome to Venice and it pulled up several Alitalia flights.

Cheers!

^ Great Job! Thanks a lot...

...one more thing. The tool doesn't come up with connections of less than 45 Minutes. The ITN-Matrix Software shows me a 44 Minute connection at PTY. Is there any way of bypassing this?

Can you give the sample routing you are trying to do and the dates and I'll see if there is a way to tweak the tool?

Thanks!

Can you give the sample routing you are trying to do and the dates and I'll see if there is a way to tweak the tool?

Thanks!

Routing:

dec. 26th
FOR – MAO 08:25am 11:35am (TAM, L)
MAO – PTY 04:03pm 06:30pm (COPA, Q)
PTY – MIA 07:14pm 10:04pm (COPA, Q) <<< that one doesn't show up

jan. 06th
MIA – PTY 06:50am 09:47am (COPA, Q)
PTY – GRU 11:15am 08:15pm (COPA, Q)
GRU - FOR 11:45pm 04:15am (TAM, L)

If I change the PTY - MIA leg to next morning it shows up perfectly, but the flight that evening definetely does exist!

Routing:

dec. 26th
FOR – MAO 08:25am 11:35am (TAM, L)
MAO – PTY 04:03pm 06:30pm (COPA, Q)
PTY – MIA 07:14pm 10:04pm (COPA, Q) <<< that one doesn't show up

jan. 06th
MIA – PTY 06:50am 09:47am (COPA, Q)
PTY – GRU 11:15am 08:15pm (COPA, Q)
GRU - FOR 11:45pm 04:15am (TAM, L)

If I change the PTY - MIA leg to next morning it shows up perfectly, but the flight that evening definetely does exist!

Hi. You can try the T&T tool by increasing the number of flights to 20 and playing with the times for the various flights.

But I don't see the 4:03 pm flight from MAO-PTY on December 26th at all. (Even when doing a 1 way search) It seems that it runs on December 27th. Where did you see that flight for December 26th? I checked the ITA tool as well and it doesn't show it.

Cheers!

Thanks to flyaow to getting us some working tools. Anyone know if we can get KVS to work properly???

Hi. You can try the T&T tool by increasing the number of flights to 20 and playing with the times for the various flights.

But I don't see the 4:03 pm flight from MAO-PTY on December 26th at all. (Even when doing a 1 way search) It seems that it runs on December 27th. Where did you see that flight for December 26th? I checked the ITA tool as well and it doesn't show it.

Cheers!

Sorry, my mistake...I wanted to say 27th!

I got it working!

Thanks! Great Job you're doing ^

Thanks to flyaow to getting us some working tools. Anyone know if we can get KVS to work properly???Some Lite-tier methods of the KVS Tool were down for a few hours on Monday while I was fixing the Tool in light of the ITN changes, but it's all been resolved by the end of the day. Gold/Plat-tier members had uninterrupted access via alternative methods throughout that time.

Thanks for fixing this so promplty.

However, I notice that I can't seem to find availability on TWA, Canadian, Reno Air, and Midway Airlines, even though they are on the pull-down menu. ;)



I just played around with the T&T tool a bit and think I have a working multi-city availability checker now: http://flyaow.com/classtandtmulti.htm

Comments most appreciated.

Cheers!

Thanks, flyaow. Very helpful tool indeed. ^

Thanks for fixing this so promplty.

However, I notice that I can't seem to find availability on TWA, Canadian, Reno Air, and Midway Airlines, even though they are on the pull-down menu. ;)

Doh! Thanks! Got it fixed up now....

Cheers!

not to be picky, but Sabena and Swissair are also there, whereas SN Brussels Airlines and Swiss are not.

Cheers

Hi, maybe I'm stupid (or just a rookie), I'm not sure what this tool brings that Orbitz and cie don't?

Also, it tells you what kind of fare are available, but how do I choose to book, say, S instead of I?

Hi, maybe I'm stupid (or just a rookie), I'm not sure what this tool brings that Orbitz and cie don't?

Also, it tells you what kind of fare are available, but how do I choose to book, say, S instead of I?

Hi. Many flyertalkers like to know the availability of various fare bucket codes and have requested these types of tools. For my own personal use I tend to use the tools to find flights that are available in certain fare codes when I'm booking round the world or circle pacific travel. I'm sure many others have other unique uses too.

Cheers!

not to be picky, but Sabena and Swissair are also there, whereas SN Brussels Airlines and Swiss are not.

Cheers

Thanks for pointing those out too! We just did a massive update on the list of airlines available via the T&T tool. Lots more coverage for some very specific airlines. :)

Keep the comments coming, we'll try to make things work as best as possible!

Also, if anyone knows of any other travel agencies that utilize the old ITN engine we can probably get some more front end tools to make things easier for folks.

Cheers!

Thanks for pointing those out too! We just did a massive update on the list of airlines available via the T&T tool. Lots more coverage for some very specific airlines. :)

Keep the comments coming, we'll try to make things work as best as possible!

Cheers!
How about making the default date the current date instead of Aug 1 @ 6pm.

How about making the default date the current date instead of Aug 1 @ 6pm.

Agreed. I didn't know we had an AOW guy on FT, but if I had, I would have suggested this a while ago. :)

How about making the default date the current date instead of Aug 1 @ 6pm.

Hi. Excellent suggestion! Try it out at: http://flyaow.com/classtandt.htm

Cheers!

flyaow, thanks for working on this and keeping some access to an ITN class-based itinerary checker alive! :)

flyaow, thanks for working on this and keeping some access to an ITN class-based itinerary checker alive! :)

I unfortunately don't know how long the various ITN based tools will survive as Getthere seems to be moving all of its clients to a new front end. :(

For now there are 7 different ITN tools that have various levels of functionality available at http://flyaow.com/class.htm The T&T is the last of the breed that handles all airlines though.

We recently discovered that the Air New Zealand tool also works for many United and US Airways flights, for whatever that is worth.

We've gone ahead and updated the links to the other various availability checkers and mileage run tools that we know of at http://flyaow.com/class.htm but would welcome any comments on others to add to that list as well.

Also, if anyone knows of any other multiple airline old ITN based webpages out there we should be able to work up a tool for those as well fairly quickly.

Cheers!

As feared, T&T has bit the dust.

Several of the other ITN tools are still available at http://flyaow.com/class.htm

If anyone knows of any other travel agencies that still use the old ITN engine we can try to get a tool back up and running.

Cheers!

Travel and transport is functional.

Ahhhhhhh, what a nightmare! No T&T, nothing on ITA, KVS is out of the office till Labor Day and AZ just released their Winter/Spring '07 schedule. (sigh)

It came back up briefly, and then went down again. My guess is that they are changing over and as it populates out to the full server farm it will be entirely gone. :(

Cheers!

<sob> and I used it just this afternoon. Well, good while it lasted.

Thanks, AOW

Does this mean that the KVS Availability Tool and ExpertFlyer will experience problems as well?

Boy, this really sucks! Does anyone know a good fare bucket search site for NWA flights?

Does this mean that the KVS Availability Tool and ExpertFlyer will experience problems as well?

My KVS is still working. How about the rest of you?

Travel and transport is functional.

I just setup a new account at T&T in expert mode and it gave me everything I need.

Does this mean that the KVS Availability Tool and ExpertFlyer will experience problems as well?

I am not sure what the KVS back-end is, but I doubt it is the same.

Expert Flyer will not be affected as they are a paid subscriber to SABRE...

Flyaow can only provide free tools if there is a free source to get it from.

using the tandt tool, is there anyway to get it to show bucket availability? the aow site is down.

using the tandt tool, is there anyway to get it to show bucket availability? the aow site is down.

See bocastephen's post above.

I just setup a new account at T&T in expert mode and it gave me everything I need.

I do not see "expert mode" on their website. It just says "create a new account" on the reservations page.

I do not see "expert mode" on their website. It just says "create a new account" on the reservations page.

Ok, found the answer already :)

1) Go to "online reservations"
2) Create a new account or login using your username and password
3) Click on "Travel Profile"
4) Click on "Display Preferences"
5) Select "Availability Format": an expert
6) Done! ^

I just setup a new account at T&T in expert mode and it gave me everything I need.

Could someone please provide a direct link to T&T as I am going through another site which has stopped forwarding me.

also how does one set up expert mode ??

Could someone please provide a direct link to T&T as I am going through another site which has stopped forwarding me.

http://www.tandt.com/online_reservation.asp

A.J.

My KVS is still working. How about the rest of you?

Yes (thankfully.)

However, I am away from my primary computer so I am using the online version.

I signed up at T&T and I have a dumb question. In expert mode 'availability' codes show up. Could someone please help me decipher these codes?

TIA,

c|d

I signed up at T&T and I have a dumb question. In expert mode 'availability' codes show up. Could someone please help me decipher these codes?

TIA,

c|d

Search FT for "fare buckets" or "fare classes"

Yay, T&T! Thank you anybody and everybody!

http://www.tandt.com/online_reservation.asp

A.J.

I checked out this site for an upcoming US Airways flight. T & T is showing a fare of $429 including all taxes + their $20 fee. US Air is show the same flights for $643.50 including all taxes.

So how reliable is it in booking at T & T?

TIA

Does this mean that the KVS Availability Tool and ExpertFlyer will experience problems as well?

We are experiencing no problems as we directly access the GDS's on a contract basis and are not depenedent on third-party web sites.

Thank you,
ExpertFlyer Voice

Ok, found the answer already :)

1) Go to "online reservations"
2) Create a new account or login using your username and password
3) Click on "Travel Profile"
4) Click on "Display Preferences"
5) Select "Availability Format": an expert
6) Done! ^

Thank you for the helpful assistance...it works :-)

Traveler Jim :D

Indeed this works well. Was in a near panic not having access to this for an entire week. =)

I checked out this site for an upcoming US Airways flight. T & T is showing a fare of $429 including all taxes + their $20 fee. US Air is show the same flights for $643.50 including all taxes.

So how reliable is it in booking at T & T?

TIA

Booking with T&T is completely reliable. They're a full service travel agency that handle many corporate accounts. I've had experience with them in the past & I give them ^^

TandT have just told me that they will not issue international tickets. I'm not sure whether that means they will not issue tickets with international segments or to people outside the U.S. I'm outside the U.S.

As far as I can tell, it still works the old way:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:flyaow.com/classtandt.htm

As far as I can tell, it still works the old way:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:flyaow.com/classtandt.htm


You're right, it still works this way. Thanks

As far as I can tell, it still works the old way:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:flyaow.com/classtandt.htm

...Nice work!

As far as I can tell, it still works the old way:
http://google.com/search?q=cache:flyaow.com/classtandt.htm

did the other day - now gone :(.

If you're devoted, you can still construct the queries yourself:

https://www.itn.net/cgi/air?stamp=*itn%2Ford%3DNEWREC%2Citn%2Fcb%2Fp5tnt
&rt_ow=round+trip
&depart=xxx [origin]
&dest.0=yyy [destination]
&mon_abbr.0=Sep [outbound date]
&date.0=5
&hour_ampm.0=6+am
&mon_abbr.1=Sep [return date]
&date.1=11
&hour_ampm.1=11+pm
&airline=United [leave this out if no airline preference]
&air_sort=departure+time&air_class=coach+%28lowest+avail.%29&air_avail=100&air_sort=price+%28lowest+to+highest%29&skill=an+expert&return_to=air_avail

If the above doesn't make sense, an example (https://www.itn.net/cgi/air?stamp=*itn%2Ford%3DNEWREC%2Citn%2Fcb%2Fp5tnt&rt_ow=one%20way&depart=phl&dest.0=sfo&mon_abbr.0=Sep&date.0=5&hour_ampm.0=6+am&mon_abbr.1=Sep&date.1=1&hour_ampm.1=11+pm&airline=United&air_sort=departure+time&air_class=coach+%28lowest+avail.%29&air_avail=100&air_sort=price+%28lowest+to+highest%29&skill=an+expert&return_to=air_avail) might help.

Another way you can do it is to run your flight search on the T&T website, then add &skill=an+expert to the resulting ITN URL to enable the bucket view.

As far as I can tell, the ITN back end is working fine - not sure why AOW took down their page.

If you're devoted, you can still construct the queries yourself:

&rt_ow=round+trip
&depart=xxx [origin]
&dest.0=yyy [destination]
&mon_abbr.0=Sep [outbound date]
&date.0=5
&hour_ampm.0=6+am
&mon_abbr.1=Sep [return date]
&date.1=11
&hour_ampm.1=11+pm
&airline=United [leave this out if no airline preference]
&air_sort=departure+time&air_class=coach+%28lowest+avail.%29&air_avail=100&air_sort=price+%28lowest+to+highest%29&skill=an+expert&return_to=air_avail

~~~~~~~

As far as I can tell, the ITN back end is working fine - not sure why AOW took down their page.

UGh. I've just tried couple segments, and :( too much work....

Looking foword better methood. any suggestion?????? :confused:

I'm on business trip now, and every time I am not using my computer.

KVS is not my way. :(

Looking foword better methood. any suggestion?????? :confused:

I'm on business trip now, and every time I am not using my computer.

KVS is not my way. :(For those who are not masochists :), the new KVS Tool Online Companion could be the answer: http://kvs.unrealnetwork.com/Tool/Screenshots.htm#OC

UGh. I've just tried couple segments, and :( too much work....

Looking foword better methood. any suggestion?????? :confused:

I'm on business trip now, and every time I am not using my computer.

KVS is not my way. :(
Register for T&T. They don't ask for much info.

http://www.geocities.com/farebuckets/

http://www.geocities.com/farebuckets/

Thank you. works great.

So it seems that

http://www.geocities.com/farebuckets/

and

http://flyaow.com/class.htm

aren't working (assumingly because they use the same backend.)

Does anyone have other suggestions for looking at load factors on upcoming flights? Just trying to gauge the bump opps....

Unless you're looking for hidden buckets you can use seatcounter.com

Does anyone have other suggestions for looking at load factors on upcoming flights? Just trying to gauge the bump opps....http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2726821 under "Availability Tools" ...

Looks like http://availability.publicbackup.com has been updated to use a different, working interface to the ITA backend, as well.

Hi all,

Per your many e-mail requests, we have added a new working ITN availability tool for both simple one-way, round-trip, and multi-city trips.

No idea how long this one will continue working, as GetThere is moving away from the old platform. But for now, here are the working links:

http://flyaow.com/classbell.htm
http://flyaow.com/classbellmulti.htm

Cheers!

Thanks a lot!^ :D

My pleasure. ;)

Hopefully it lasts for a while this time around!

Could someone doublecheck it is working correctly. I just searched 3/12/07 from MCI-ORD-BOS and MCI-DFW-BOS and just saw all zero's, on every flight, and even on the return dates? AA of course.

all zero's, on every flight, and even on the return dates? AA of course.See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7361200#post7361200

See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7361200#post7361200


Hmmmm... Thanks, but it used to show them, maybe that was long ago.

As pointed out in that other thread, http://seatcounter.com/ works for most AA flights to check availability.

Cheers!

Bell's tool is no longer functioning. New tool available at http://flyaow.com/classamex.htm for one way and simple round trips. http://flyaow.com/classamexmulti.htm for multi-city trips.

Cheers!

Bell's tool is no longer functioning. New tool available at http://flyaow.com/classamex.htm for one way and simple round trips. http://flyaow.com/classamexmulti.htm for multi-city trips.

Cheers!

Thank you! Works like a charm

Bell's tool is no longer functioning. New tool available at http://flyaow.com/classamex.htm for one way and simple round trips. http://flyaow.com/classamexmulti.htm for multi-city trips.

Cheers!

Thanks, do you know if this site can actually be used to make bookings?

Cheers