I have made a suggestion to the TalkBoard to create an Asiana Forum. If you think this is a good idea, or if you have any comments then please make a post here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4987663

Thanks.

I think you coould also warrant EVA and CI as well

I have made a suggestion to the TalkBoard to create an Asiana Forum. If you think this is a good idea, or if you have any comments then please make a post here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4987663

Thanks.



I guess there will be KE thread first ahead of OZ or CI/BR whatsoever. Before that how many OZ or CI/BR thread do we see here? Going to be very empty, especially CI and BR, which aren't parts of any alliance at this moment.

The fact CI and BR are not part of any major alliance doesnt mean they should not have their own threads as I see it being part of the major alliances means nothing more than pure frustration and people getting upset when one airline does not play balll with the other.

At least with EVA abd CI you know what you are getting

I guess there will be KE thread first ahead of OZ or CI/BR

KE is definitely a contender (21 million passengers a year -- that's more than Flyertalk favourites Cathay, Singapore and Thai) and it has a lead role in Skyteam. The Taiwanese airlines are a bit smaller -- if you were to have an EVA forum, for example, there would be the same logic for having a Philippine or even Vietnam Airlines forum. Perhaps 10 million passengers a year (and activity in the forums) would be a fair cut off point.

However if you were to lobby the TalkBoard I'd support you. I disagree with the policy that more people see post when they're lumped together. I think that specialised forums create better dialogue and help answer specific questions more easily.

The fact CI and BR are not part of any major alliance doesnt mean they should not have their own threads as I see it being part of the major alliances means nothing more than pure frustration and people getting upset when one airline does not play balll with the other.

At least with EVA abd CI you know what you are getting



Excuse me? :confused: I have no idea what I'm getting with BR and CI.

Oh I forgot if we cut you in half we will find united stamped all the way through you, so your obviously not familiar with good service on the ground or in the air, being dealt with by happy smiley people who dont resemble walking sun dried tomatoes chewing gum. :D

CI & BR are airlines that dont soak up billions of tax payers dollars and are succesful profitable airlines that provide service way beyond anything UA could ever dream of

Play nice, now. Aren't we getting off topic with all this cat-fighting?

KE is definitely a contender (21 million passengers a year -- that's more than Flyertalk favourites Cathay, Singapore and Thai) and it has a lead role in Skyteam. The Taiwanese airlines are a bit smaller -- if you were to have an EVA forum, for example, there would be the same logic for having a Philippine or even Vietnam Airlines forum. Perhaps 10 million passengers a year (and activity in the forums) would be a fair cut off point.

However if you were to lobby the TalkBoard I'd support you. I disagree with the policy that more people see post when they're lumped together. I think that specialised forums create better dialogue and help answer specific questions more easily.
Exactly. I have always been curious why KE didn't have own forum considering its size.

Play nice, now. Aren't we getting off topic with all this cat-fighting?


Let him go his way.



How about **** off and get a life you ...... - is that a good enough answer for you.

I suggest you get a life as your postings are amongst the highest bull**** factor on FT and I think you need to try and learn to communicate with real people.


Oh, yeah? Shouldn't you really learn how to communicate with other people so you won't get another suspension?

I would have thought that the size of the airline and the quality of its offerings are not decisive factors. What matters more is whether there is enough traffic (in terms of posts) to justify a separate forum. Based on this, I do not personally see an overwhelming case for any of the airlines mentioned above.

I have heard good things about Eva - Evergreen Deluxe class. We are flying to KIX in April - is it worth the money to use Eva (from SFO or LAX)?
Thank you for any help.

I have heard good things about Eva - Evergreen Deluxe class. We are flying to KIX in April - is it worth the money to use Eva (from SFO or LAX)?
Thank you for any help.

Check out this forum. A lot of info with regards to your question.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501653

Also check the Search this Forum feature and type in: Evergreen Deluxe
It will come up with a lot of useful information.
Yes it is very much worth the money to use EVA Air Evergreen Deluxe Class out of SFO or LAX.

Maybe someone would like to make a separate post to the Talk Board (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=382) requesting an Eva/China Forum?

I think it's a good idea, but hoped this forum would be more to discuss whether people thought an Asiana forum (maybe combined with Korean) was a good idea (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501858)

Again we have the problem of a number of differnt ailines mixed up not only in one forum, but in one post.

KE is definitely a contender (21 million passengers a year -- that's more than Flyertalk favourites Cathay, Singapore and Thai) and it has a lead role in Skyteam.

IMO, the reason there's isn't a KE(or OZ) forum when a smaller Asian carrier has their own forum is that most of the passengers on KE are Koreans and they are not active in FT for various reasons.(lack of fluency in English) Most Korean business travelers are not into airline status and can't fly C class unless you are going somewhere really far or pretty senior in their company. If you look at SQ or Cathay forum many of them are Singapore/HK natives where English is widely used in business, however that's not the case in Korea.

IMO, the reason there's isn't a KE(or OZ) forum when a smaller Asian carrier has their own forum is that most of the passengers on KE are Koreans and they are not active in FT for various reasons.(lack of fluency in English) Most Korean business travelers are not into airline status and can't fly C class unless you are going somewhere really far or pretty senior in their company. If you look at SQ or Cathay forum many of them are Singapore/HK natives where English is widely used in business, however that's not the case in Korea.

Build it and they will come. Don't build it and they certainly wont come. I'm reffering to KE and OZ. There are also millions of Korean Americans who fly on them and speak english.

Most Korean business travelers are not into airline status
Koreans (or any Asians, for that matter) not status conscious? :rolleyes:

... and can't fly C class unless you are going somewhere really far or pretty senior in their company.
Why would this apply to Korea in particular? And FT is not only for discussing travel in business class :)


Back to topic, there was a Korean Air forum back until sometime in 2002. It remained accessible through the archives until ~2004 as a valuable repository of past posts, which have since disappeared, as the KE forum neither had a parent forum in the new format, nor one in the 'Discontinued programs' area. Since then, KE posts have been scattered to this and various Skyteam partner forums, while industry pillars Independence Air and Westjet got their own...

I try hard to forget Flyertalk is an US board, but do think providing a more international canvas wouldn't be detrimental to its operation.

I agree. Build it and people will come.

I agree that there's likely limited interest in a forum JUST for the KE freq flyer program, and separately a forum JUST for the OZ freq flyer program (as there are likely few current or future FT participants in them). However, what about having a combined KE/OZ forum, and separately a combined BR/CI forum?

I agree that there's likely limited interest in a forum JUST for the KE freq flyer program, and separately a forum JUST for the OZ freq flyer program (as there are likely few current or future FT participants in them). However, what about having a combined KE/OZ forum, and separately a combined BR/CI forum?

This would suit me.

Another great few flights with OZ over Christmas and New Year. They really are a great airline.

...while industry pillars Independence Air and Westjet got their own...

I try hard to forget Flyertalk is an US board, but do think providing a more international canvas wouldn't be detrimental to its operation.

Hear Hear.

while industry pillars Independence Air and Westjet got their own...



:D

Here is the reply from the Talk Board Topics Forum:

Hey. FWIW, based upon the limited feedback from the thread on this topic that I'd started in the TB forum, while there is some interest, there are also concerns as to whether or not it would be a well trafficked forum. So I'm not sure that it can be justified at this time. We will keep an eye on this topic, in any case.

Mark

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501858&page=2

If people are genuinely interested in a new forum, I guess they need to shout louder...

Even if it's a combined forum similar to the Hawaii forum, at least we can get something on the board. I think it would be good to have it, particularly since these are carriers are that integrated in alliances (KE with ST and OZ with *). This is one big difference between them and other carriers in the Asia Forum (like CI and BR). So far I haven't seen any other carriers in this forum that are tied to an alliance. There are examples of some who MIGHT join an alliance, but none that are actually IN one (except KE/OZ). So the interest would come not just from Koreans but from other alliance travelers that fly them (whether it be for their new products such as Internet Access, lie-flat seats, etc). I have seen posts regarding questions about KE and OZ in other forums. If there is a dedicated forum, at least they could direct them to the dedicated forum.

The preference would be for separate forums, but if they need to be combined to get enough votes, then so be it.

Oh, and yes I fly KE/OZ, I do speak English, I do care about FF status and benefits, and yes I do post here on FT. There are a lot of us, and no not all of us are Korean, just as not all the people who fly on CX/SQ are HK/SG natives (just look at the people who post in those forums, including the moderators).

If you look at SQ or Cathay forum many of them are Singapore/HK natives...

Just look at posters like Kiwi Flyer, MAN Flyer, DeltaFlyingProf etc. So they are based in Singapore and HK?

Think that all OZ/KE posters don't speak English? So...that would mean people like me, Paella747, mcg1000, vprp, etc don't speak English?

milekflyer brings up a good point. It will not only draw interest from those who fly OZ/KE but also those who fly SkyTeam or *A. Whether there are separate forums for OZ/KE or a combined forum, I don't really care. I just want to see these carriers have their own forum.

Just as well considering what I've written in the Talkboard thread about this - but I think it's significant that there is not one person here so far who has expressed an opinion with the initials OZ next to their handle under 'program affiliation'.

Not even the poster based in ICN.

(I used to, but got rid of it months ago in case it encouraged anybody to join! :eek: )

There's an outside chance that the proposed Asiana forum will go to a vote in the TalkBoard. A (later) proposal for an Alitalia forum is already being considered thanks to the volume of discussion on the thread. If you think it's worth setting up an Asiana forum, please add your voice to the mix at: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5787910.

This is the Alitalia thread for comparison: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5787903

My vote is "no." Back in the day, lots of smaller airlines had their own forums and traffic wasn't all that impressive. What's more BR, CI, KE, and OZ all have miserable FFPs.

My vote is "no." Back in the day, lots of smaller airlines had their own forums and traffic wasn't all that impressive. What's more BR, CI, KE, and OZ all have miserable FFPs.

Independence Air had its own forum. You think that OZ traffic isn't more impressive than Independence Air?

I hear you!!!

Independence Air had its own forum. You think that OZ traffic isn't more impressive than Independence Air?

Back when DH was operational, that forum got more traffic than OZ. Obviously, going out of business resulted in a slowdown in traffic (same goes for Reno Air, TWA, America West, etc).

Back when DH was operational, that forum got more traffic than OZ. Obviously, going out of business resulted in a slowdown in traffic (same goes for Reno Air, TWA, America West, etc).

Do you think that it would have had the same amount of traffic if it was lumped in with other airlines in a general forum vs a dedicated forum?

Do you think that it would have had the same amount of traffic if it was lumped in with other airlines in a general forum vs a dedicated forum?

Probably not.

However, I think the current multi-airline forum is an improvement over what it replaced several years back.

Probably not.

However, I think the current multi-airline forum is an improvement over what it replaced several years back.

The KE/OZ of several years back isn't the same KE/OZ of today (just look at the alliances as a start). There is a lot more interest now because of what they are at present. Think about it: If KE or OZ weren't part of an alliance (with no mileage earning opportunities in big programs such as M&M, Skymiles, MP, etc), and their product wasn't anything to write home about (CBB, lie-flat seats, etc), people wouldn't have cared much...and the past, they most likely did not. If you were flying from China to the US (assuming your preferred airlines were UA/NW) and your preferred airline was not available, chances are that many years ago KE/OZ probably wouldn't have been one of your potential alternative carriers. Now that they are part of their respective alliances (for mileage-earning opportunities in your preferred programs) and they (particularly KE) have improved, they probably are potential alternatives for you now.

The dedicated forum also directs attention to OZ/KE and may increase interest to those who don't know as much about them now. The FTer's who don't travel to Asia very often probably don't even know of the places that KE and OZ can take them to (other than Korea), such as China (look at OZ's network). You might know about this, but that's because you are based in the region. If you asked a bunch of FT travelers in the CO or US forums (for example) who don't go to Asia much (but may go soon) if KE and OZ had inflight internet access or lie-flat seats, chances are that most people would have said no. As for the airline they might choose to Asia, they probably would have thought about UA or NW or whatever airline that someone mentions at the time they're surfing FT (which may not come that often since most of the postings are about the featured carrier--CO/US in this example).

At the very least, I still believe that there should be a Korea Airlines forum, if the OZ forum doesn't get enough momentum. I'm sure the traffic in the forum and the content of the postings will likely be different than what existed before.

The KE/OZ of several years back isn't the same KE/OZ of today (just look at the alliances as a start). There is a lot more interest now because of what they are at present. Think about it: If KE or OZ weren't part of an alliance (with no mileage earning opportunities in big programs such as M&M, Skymiles, MP, etc), and their product wasn't anything to write home about (CBB, lie-flat seats, etc), people wouldn't have cared much...and the past, they most likely did not. If you were flying from China to the US (assuming your preferred airlines were UA/NW) and your preferred airline was not available, chances are that many years ago KE/OZ probably wouldn't have been one of your potential alternative carriers.

I agree with this 100%, but the airline forums relate to FFPs. As long as I'm still accruing on UA and NW, mileage related questions are best addressed there. Since both OZ and KE have crappy FFPs, there isn't a lot of need to discuss. What does get discussed [apart from mileage, about OZ/KE] -- ad nauseum -- are airplane configs and similar (i.e. chances of getting good plane on NYC-ICN). I think the multi-airline forum addresses such topics just fine.

I've added my vote to it. While it maybe isn't the best FF program around, it does have some unique features to it, and I would like to see it get better coverage. If OZ on its own doesn't get enough votes - a KE & OZ forum would be better than nothing.

I definitely support an OZ forum. Can anyone tell me when is the vote and how can I participate? Thanks.

LAX

This is a vote for the Talkboard. However, you can express your support (giving reasons where possible) by posting a message here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4987663).

Just as well considering what I've written in the Talkboard thread about this - but I think it's significant that there is not one person here so far who has expressed an opinion with the initials OZ next to their handle under 'program affiliation'.

Not even the poster based in ICN.



Does having the initials oz as PART of your handle count? ;)

Thanks for your support in the Talk Board, oz stamps.

None that I can think of; I will make a formal motion in the private TalkBoard forum.

Thanks! (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6006864)

Seems a vote is imminent -- last chance to voice your support.

Yeah!!! An Asiana forum would be helpful! It would be great to have more info on that great airline!

Motion to create an Asiana forum was passed. See here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=580536).

Any questions on when the forum will go live should be posted here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=lastpost&t=501858), but I expect it will be soon.

That is indeed good news.

It's a good news! ^

Well done everybody on getting this forum off the ground!!!

I hope I am proved completely wrong and get to eat humble pie!

Now, is anybody going to give me pointers on how to get 100% mileage on OZ without having to spend £3,000+ on an economy ticket between LHR & NRT?


And please can someone tell me the name of that fabulous Korean condiment made of soya sauce, garlic, chili, vinegar, sesame seeds, sugar and sesame oil? (Goes amazingly with water chestnut Mook - and so any other things.)

Really good to hear this finally happened!

Welcome to FlyerTalk, woohyong. I hope that as a Seoul-based OZ Gold Member that you'll actively contribute to the forum. 노력해 주세요.