Hi all,

I have heard about US Airways pilots was drinking in earlier this afternoon when he flying from LAX-PHL. But, the flight has been delay for 2 hours in LAX. But the police came to the plane and discover the pilot check on the influence of alcohol and the LAX police was not arrested for charges the DUI. So here it is:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=4065762

Let me know if you interested the pilot on US Airways flight to PHL. Thanks!

Regards

If I had to put up with some of the people I've seen on flights, I think I'd drink too...LOL,LOL.

If I had to put up with some of the people I've seen on flights, I think I'd drink too...LOL,LOL.

Yeah, this mean FAA rules all pilots doesn't allowed to get drink for influence of alcohol before flight leave. It is getting stricter enforced rules from FAA or the police, too. The pilots could go to the jail for charges the DUI.

As well they should (go to jail) for flying under the influence.

There seems to be some question about the alcohol level.

Pilot at LAX Grounded by Alcohol
A US Airways flight is delayed for four hours after a passenger reports smelling liquor on the officer's breath. Tests show he had alcohol in his blood.
By Jill Leovy and Jennifer Oldham, Times Staff Writers
April 8, 2006

A US Airways pilot was detained at Los Angeles International Airport on suspicion of being drunk before his flight Friday, and was later found to have alcohol in his blood.

The pilot, who was not identified, was scheduled to fly US Airways Flight 18 to Philadelphia, but the airline removed him from duty.


The search for a replacement pilot delayed the flight more than four hours after its scheduled 1:45 p.m. departure.

Airport security officials said a passenger smelled alcohol on the pilot's breath at the security checkpoint in Terminal One and reported it to screening officials, who summoned police.

The pilot was taken into custody for tests and failed a field sobriety test, security officials said.

At the LAX police station, a breath test was repeatedly administered to the pilot, airport officials said. They said that on the fourth test, the pilot's blood alcohol level registered 0.04%. US Airways contends that the official reading was 0.03%.

The higher level meets, but does not exceed, the legal limit allowed by the Federal Aviation Administration, US Airways spokesman Phil Gee said. The FAA's rule for pilots is half California's 0.08% blood-alcohol limit for driving.

The FAA temporarily took possession of the pilot's flight certificate, and an investigation was launched, airport security sources said. The FBI is also looking into the incident, they said.

Gee insisted that the pilot had not violated the law. He said that US Airways has stricter standards for drinking and flying than the FAA, however, and that the airline will investigate the pilot.

He declined to give specifics about US Airways' internal rules for drinking and flying, saying only that they were several times more stringent than the government's.

"Legally, the pilot still could have operated the aircraft. However, we hold employees to a higher standard, and we want to continue the investigation ourselves," Gee said.

If the pilot is found to have violated US Airways' policy, "we have absolutely no tolerance for matters like this," he added.

It remained unclear Friday how long before the flight the pilot was drinking. US Airways officials said he was stopped more than an hour before the flight. But airport officials believe that it was less than an hour before the scheduled departure. Airport police referred calls to the airline.

The issue of commercial airline pilots' drinking has come under scrutiny in recent months with a few high-profile incidents.

In February, an American Airlines pilot was arrested in Britain on suspicion of being drunk shortly before a flight to Chicago.

And last summer, two former America West pilots were convicted of operating a plane leaving Miami while drunk.

Original article here. (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pilot8apr08,0,4986499.story?coll=la-story-footer)

Problem drinking exists in every facet of society. You can assume that in a pilot group the size of USAirways', statistically, there will be some. One hopes that the other member of the flight deck is anxious to get home in one piece, and would report it, in the event it isn't spotted earlier in the cycle, as it appears to have been in this instance.

I wouldn't assume that he had been drinking. A breathalyzer can be fooled by cough syrup or mouthwash and might well give a low reading like this.

I agree. I am not one to believe much in any California newspaper...or for that matter any newspaper when it comes to reporting on aviation. Funny how the Enquirer is the only one that even states he was released.

Sounds like so far the guy didn't break any law. And in this country that happens to mean something. Now what he'll have to deal when it comes to the company is something different.

Remember as well that flying on a commercial/ATP ticket, you have a pretty strict company policy for alcohol that's given some legal backing by FAA's "bottle to throttle" rule. IIRC it's nothing for 8 hours and .02 being legally drunk.

I should know it, techinically, but since my own rule is 12 hours and no hint of a hangover I'm a bit slack. :D

Hi all,

I have heard about US Airways pilots was drinking in earlier this afternoon when he flying from LAX-PHL. But, the flight has been delay for 2 hours in LAX. But the police came to the plane and discover the pilot check on the influence of alcohol and the LAX police was not arrested for charges the DUI. So here it is:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=4065762

Let me know if you interested the pilot on US Airways flight to PHL. Thanks!

Regards

Are you sure you aren't drinking? :D

Are you sure you aren't drinking? :D

:td: :td:

N830MH makes plain in his/her signature that they are writing with American Sign Language. That explains the occasionally disjointed English in their posts.

How does one write with ASL?

Are you sure you aren't drinking? :D

Hell no I don't drinking at all. I am always drink the water all the times.

I'm glad NM830H is teetotal. I was driven to drink by his/her appalling English!

Remember as well that flying on a commercial/ATP ticket, you have a pretty strict company policy for alcohol that's given some legal backing by FAA's "bottle to throttle" rule. IIRC it's nothing for 8 hours and .02 being legally drunk.

I should know it, techinically, but since my own rule is 12 hours and no hint of a hangover I'm a bit slack. :D

I believe it's 24 hours bottle-to-throttle for an ATP.

I believe it's 24 hours bottle-to-throttle for an ATP.

The FAA regulation is 8 hours, no matter what level pilot certificate is in question. Many airlines, however (mine included), have a more strict 12-hour rule.

The FAA regulation is 8 hours, no matter what level pilot certificate is in question. Many airlines, however (mine included), have a more strict 12-hour rule.

You right about that with FAA rules must obey the rules in the airport for 8 hours and doesn't allowed with any pilots to get onboard the flight. Don't drink with the liquors or etc. Yeah, it has a more strict 12-hour rule from FAA for all passengers & the crew to stay off the airplanes.

You right about that with FAA rules must obey the rules in the airport for 8 hours and doesn't allowed with any pilots to get onboard the flight. Don't drink with the liquors or etc. Yeah, it has a more strict 12-hour rule from FAA for all passengers & the crew to stay off the airplanes.

??? have you been drinking :rolleyes:

??? have you been drinking :rolleyes:

They are writing with a sign language keyboard.

The FAA regulation is 8 hours, no matter what level pilot certificate is in question. Many airlines, however (mine included), have a more strict 12-hour rule.

Partially, yes. The FAA minimum for any certificated pilot, no matter if they are flying a single engine Cessna or a 747 with 400 passengers is .04 BAC AND 8 hours since last drink. So, if your BAC is .03 but you had a drink 7 hours ago, it's still a violation.

Partially, yes. The FAA minimum for any certificated pilot, no matter if they are flying a single engine Cessna or a 747 with 400 passengers is .04 BAC AND 8 hours since last drink. So, if your BAC is .03 but you had a drink 7 hours ago, it's still a violation.


Correct... the 8-hour rule is only one facet of a 3-prong rule. The FAR requires all pilots to meet the following:

*8 hours bottle to throttle
*.04 BAC
*Not under the influence of alcohol

That third point means that, even if you have gone 8+ hours and have less than .04BAC, you are still in violation if you are under the influence of alcohol in any way.

Further, while the FAA rule is "bottle to throttle," at least some airline rules, including Piedmont, are "bottle to check-in." Crewmembers at Piedmont actually check in for work 45-60 minutes prior to departure, so our actual bottle-to-throttle time is 12:45-13:00.

I'm glad NM830H is teetotal. I was driven to drink by his/her appalling English!

Warbo, as noted in NM830H's signature, he or she is using ASL. Please cut him or her some slack.

How do you write in sign language? All the deaf people I know write in standard English. Am I missing something?

Warbo, as noted in NM830H's signature, he or she is using ASL. Please cut him or her some slack.

My apologies. I had not read the post about the use of ASL. :o

I'm confused too, why would you need a special keyboard if you were deaf? I can understand if you were blind but not deaf. If you can see you can type. I've never heard of this and am curious.

Sean

English is one of the hardest languages to learn due to the slang and our use of connecting phrases. Conjugation is a challenge if you have never heard the spoken word. ASL does not contain a sign for absolutely every word in the dictionary and has it's own grammar rules, linguistics, and syntax. It can be somewhat broken.

Signed English is performed in English word order. ASL is often used for conversational communication.

None of which has anything to do with deaf people's ability to read and write standard English. For example, here's a link (http://gblog.gallaudet.edu/) to the blogs of a bunch of Galludet students. You'll notice their written English looks just like the written English of people who can hear.

I think it depends at what point the person went deaf. If it was later in life they remember the correct grammar and conjugation. If it was from birth they have never had the ability to hear others and are at a greater disadvantage when trying to write.

None of which has anything to do with deaf people's ability to read and write standard English.
Okay... Stop and reread what I wrote.
Signed English is performed in English word order. ASL is often used for conversational communication.
The poster chooses to write in ASL. Which is not word for word English. ASL has a very complex grammar. And this may be what they are more comfortable with, since ASL is the backbone language for most deaf people. They may not be interpreting it when they write as you may expect.

N830MH makes plain in his/her signature that they are writing with American Sign Language. That explains the occasionally disjointed English in their posts.

This is a site about ASL writing (http://www.signwriting.org/)