I have the same routing. So, once you got to FCO, how and with whom did you confirm that your return was intact?

I went to the Transfer desk. Once you disembark, you will head to the exit. There should be an AZ transfer desk there, or you can head to any part of the terminal where an AZ transfer desk is located (another one is right in front of the departure level at B gates - up one floor).

At the transfer desk, I explained to them that the MXP agent dropped my LCA segments and I wanted to verify that my flight from MXP-YYZ is still confirmed. The lady I spoke w/ seemed to know what I was referring to and confirmed that I was still on the MXP-YYZ return.

I should mention that my LCA flight was the same day, and not a stop-over; also the interesting question I got when checking in for the MXP-YYZ flight about coming back from LCA the day before.

Hope this helps.

It helps a great deal. Thank you for the info... :)

Has anyone missed one of their flights on this deal?

If so, what options did you have?

Just a quick note. A friend of mine called to get his dates adjusted today and Nicolo told him that he would only be doing the job that he is currently in for another week or so. After that, anyone who hasn't had their dates switched would have to deal with Orbitz or Travelocity.

So if you have been putting it off, you may want to call before you are thrown to the wolves with online retailers.

Just a quick note. A friend of mine called to get his dates adjusted today and Nicolo told him that he would only be doing the job that he is currently in for another week or so. After that, anyone who hasn't had their dates switched would have to deal with Orbitz or Travelocity.

So if you have been putting it off, you may want to call before you are thrown to the wolves with online retailers.

Thanks for telling us, I've been putting off rebooking for a little while and just now have been planning when I'm going.

Where may I check the D class availability with AZ for free? It seems that the ITN tool doesn't work anymore - http://flyaow.com/classavailability.htm

Just a quick note. A friend of mine called to get his dates adjusted today and Nicolo told him that he would only be doing the job that he is currently in for another week or so. After that, anyone who hasn't had their dates switched would have to deal with Orbitz or Travelocity.

So if you have been putting it off, you may want to call before you are thrown to the wolves with online retailers.

Damn, thanks for that note.

Where may I check the D class availability with AZ for free? It seems that the ITN tool doesn't work anymore - http://flyaow.com/classavailability.htm

http://www.geocities.com/farebuckets/

Just a quick note. A friend of mine called to get his dates adjusted today and Nicolo told him that he would only be doing the job that he is currently in for another week or so. After that, anyone who hasn't had their dates switched would have to deal with Orbitz or Travelocity.

So if you have been putting it off, you may want to call before you are thrown to the wolves with online retailers.

THANKS!!, better check dates asap..!!

Just a quick note. A friend of mine called to get his dates adjusted today and Nicolo told him that he would only be doing the job that he is currently in for another week or so. After that, anyone who hasn't had their dates switched would have to deal with Orbitz or Travelocity.

So if you have been putting it off, you may want to call before you are thrown to the wolves with online retailers.
Wow, that's not very comforting. I had counted on him being there to straighten things out if there were any last-minute changes/problems with my itinerary (in January), as he seems to be the only person on the planet (well, maybe one of two if you count Mr. Pepe) capable of resolving any problems with these tickets. After they fought to have these tickets honored (which I give them credit for), unfortunately the online retailers have proven to be all but worthless.

Let's clarify two things:
- Those two guys did not fight for you to have the tickets honored. Nicolo is the one who changed the fare rules after the tickets were issued.
- There are other folks with Alitalia who are willing to change the dates!

Let's clarify two things:
- Those two guys did not fight for you to have the tickets honored. Nicolo is the one who changed the fare rules after the tickets were issued.
- There are other folks with Alitalia who are willing to change the dates!

Let's clarify two things:
- Nicolo was not the one who changed the fare rules after the tickets were issued. He was assigned the task of reinstating the tickets and reissuing them; his official position is Tariff Analyst and he wouldn't want to deal with it if he had a choice.

- Nicolo and Pepe are the only two people currently authorized to change the dates for the tickets. No one else at AZ is authorized or willing to change the dates. I have yet to see any reports of success outside of Nicolo or Pepe.

And third...
welcome to Flyertalk.

Let's clarify two things:

- There are other folks with Alitalia who are willing to change the dates!


Please share this info.... :)

Let's clarify two things:
- Those two guys did not fight for you to have the tickets honored. Nicolo is the one who changed the fare rules after the tickets were issued.
Perhaps my sentence was unclear. I meant that subsequent to the couple days after these tickets were bought, when the online retailers fought to have the tickets honored, they (the online retailers) have been rather useless.


- There are other folks with Alitalia who are willing to change the dates! You are the only one I know of who has publicly stated that this is the case. I'm sure others on the board would be grateful for information about how to find someone else willing to change these tickets.

Perhaps my sentence was unclear. I meant that subsequent to the couple days after these tickets were bought, when the online retailers fought to have the tickets honored, they (the online retailers) have been rather useless.
As Alitalia has forced them to be. Had AZ not monkeyed with the rules, the retailers would have serviced these tickets like any other.

Just a quick note. A friend of mine called to get his dates adjusted today and Nicolo told him that he would only be doing the job that he is currently in for another week or so. After that, anyone who hasn't had their dates switched would have to deal with Orbitz or Travelocity.


just because alitalia has transferred nicolo doesn't let them off the hook. alitalia needs to either hand off nicolo's responsibilities to someone in nicolo's NYC office or nicolo needs to give everyone herr pepe's phone number.

Herr Pepe doesn't deal at all with this case. My advise is to involve the CTA once more. There is one person in charge of this case. Send me a PM if you need this persons contact information.

just because alitalia has transferred nicolo doesn't let them off the hook. alitalia needs to either hand off nicolo's responsibilities to someone in nicolo's NYC office or nicolo needs to give everyone herr pepe's phone number.

Why all the worry? I'm not worried. Nothing has changed, and nothing will in regards to our ability to fly on these tickets in fundamentally the same manner as has been done the past several months.

I look forward to date changes on tickets for travel in March and I know AZ in Italy aren't going to sponsor a new swim team, for AZ Italy are going to keep sponsoring our "wickedly low biz class" tickets. When it comes to this matter, my mantra: "Don't worry, be happy." :)

Enjoy your trips, they'll keep coming. We're part of the AZ fly team. :D

The only concern that would arise is if AZ liquidates. That's not going to happen before March. :D Fly on. On Alitalia in biz. :)

Clearly Nicolo is the one person to deal with in this situation. It behooves each person to take the time and contact Nicolo to make appropriate arrangements. That being said, when he is no longer in his current capacity, it is appropriate that Alitalia put in place someone else to handle these tickets. The reality, though, will be that people attemptig to resolve ticket issues after Nicolo's departure will encounter a great deal of confusion, frustration, and wasted time.

On another note, any suggestions for the best hotel to stay at during the end of December for one night before my return flight? I'll be arriving into LCA at 930pm and leaving at 940am the next morning. Thanks..

Any LCA airport hotels that anyone here has had any experience with?

Clearly Nicolo is the one person to deal with in this situation. It behooves each person to take the time and contact Nicolo to make appropriate arrangements. That being said, when he is no longer in his current capacity, it is appropriate that Alitalia put in place someone else to handle these tickets. The reality, though, will be that people attemptig to resolve ticket issues after Nicolo's departure will encounter a great deal of confusion, frustration, and wasted time.

I think AZ Italy has learned a lesson from this and won't leave us hanging. I'm not going to behave like the TSA and engage in knee-jerk overreactions to hypotheticals and unchanged circumstances, circumstances that have existed for quite the long time now.

On another note, any suggestions for the best hotel to stay at during the end of December for one night before my return flight? I'll be arriving into LCA at 930pm and leaving at 940am the next morning. Thanks..

Same question.

Ummmm, with the recent post 'contributions' of a very new poster, it might be time for a little refresher!!!!!!

* Nicolo has NOT been transfered
* Nicolo is responsible for implementing, not creating the policy that now governs the AZ YYZLCA tickets, which REMAINS, one change based on the criteria on page one of this thread.
* Any changes beyond one change are not officially authorized by AZ, even if you find a sympatyhetic or unknowledgeable agent.
* Dropping to or from LCA segments is not authorized by AZ, even if you find a sympathetic agent or unknowledgeable agent.

I'm not here to play AZ's FT cop. If AZ hasn't done a good job informing their agents of the correct policy on the AZ YYZ-LCA fares, then more power to you!

BUT, please be clear that such manueverings around the fare policy is NOT authorized by AZ or Nicolo.

I am also a friend of the guy who called and was told by nicolo that nicolo would be leaving this position soon.

I don't think anything was threatened or insinuated, but I think everyone should gladly take the advice that dealing with this now, while nicolo is still there, is GOOD ADVICE.

Ummmm, with the recent post 'contributions' of a very new poster, it might be time for a little refresher!!!!!!

* Nicolo has NOT been transfered
* Nicolo is responsible for implementing, not creating the policy that now governs the AZ YYZLCA tickets, which REMAINS, one change based on the criteria on page one of this thread.
* Any changes beyond one change are not officially authorized by AZ, even if you find a sympatyhetic or unknowledgeable agent.
* Dropping to or from LCA segments is not authorized by AZ, even if you find a sympathetic agent or unknowledgeable agent.

I'm not here to play AZ's FT cop. If AZ hasn't done a good job informing their agents of the correct policy on the AZ YYZ-LCA fares, then more power to you!

BUT, please be clear that such manueverings around the fare policy is NOT authorized by AZ or Nicolo.

BUT, please be clear that such manueverings around the fare policy is NOT authorized by AZ or Nicolo.

Not authorised perhaps, but certainly possible, so I'm not sure what your point is, given that you're "not here to play AZ's FT cop." There is abundant evidence that it's possible to drop segments, etc., and I'm sure that you'll be the first to agree that testing the limits with this fare is entirely appropriate. That said, I'll make sure to PM you in case I manage to convince an agent at MUC to change my LCA legs to TLV.

I am also a friend of the guy who called and was told by nicolo that nicolo would be leaving this position soon.

I don't think anything was threatened or insinuated, but I think everyone should gladly take the advice that dealing with this now, while nicolo is still there, is GOOD ADVICE.

I am not going to discuss an AZ employee who has already helped a lot of FTers, especially in such manner where the discussion could lead to uncomfortable situations for all parties but the passengers.

I recall that AZ Italy decided that someone needed to deal with this mess to begin with. I have no reason to believe that AZ Italy will fail to allocate resources to deal with those tickets still outstanding. AZ Italy has not ordered any changes from what has transpired for months now in relation to this situation.

As said earlier:

Why all the worry? I'm not worried. Nothing has changed, and nothing will in regards to our ability to fly on these tickets in fundamentally the same manner as has been done the past several months.

I look forward to date changes on tickets for travel in March and I know AZ in Italy aren't going to sponsor a new swim team, for AZ Italy are going to keep sponsoring our "wickedly low biz class" tickets. When it comes to this matter, my mantra: "Don't worry, be happy." :)

Enjoy your trips, they'll keep coming. We're part of the AZ fly team. :D

The only concern that would arise is if AZ liquidates. That's not going to happen before March. :D Fly on. On Alitalia in biz. :)

Why aren't people speculating about AZ bankruptcy? That's got far greater chances of seriously disrupting AZ flying us on these tickets than those matters being discussed more recently. AZ Italy has decided to honor these ticket and will do as necessary to make sure we continue to fly on these tickets.

Until things change with AZ Italy, we are continuing on previous course. I see no such change disrupting plans.

Ummmm, with the recent post 'contributions' of a very new poster, it might be time for a little refresher!!!!!!

* Nicolo has NOT been transfered
* Nicolo is responsible for implementing, not creating the policy that now governs the AZ YYZLCA tickets, which REMAINS, one change based on the criteria on page one of this thread.
* Any changes beyond one change are not officially authorized by AZ, even if you find a sympatyhetic or unknowledgeable agent.
* Dropping to or from LCA segments is not authorized by AZ, even if you find a sympathetic agent or unknowledgeable agent.

I'm not here to play AZ's FT cop. If AZ hasn't done a good job informing their agents of the correct policy on the AZ YYZ-LCA fares, then more power to you!

BUT, please be clear that such manueverings around the fare policy is NOT authorized by AZ or Nicolo.
I deeply apologize if I have caused any confusion or panic regarding Nicolo's future plans with Alitalia. The information that I shared with everyone was almost verbatim from him (Nicolo).

I just thought that it may help some other 'Newbies' like myself who are not used to wrangling and playing tough guy with big companies like Orbitz and such. Nicolo was easy to deal with and he didn't make you feel like you needed to know 85% of the world's airport codes to speak his language.

From what I've heard, the principal AZ contact has been great to work with. Now think of the discomfort that can be caused by all this discussion about the individual. If a colleague was being discussed in this way on an internet bulletin board, it could well lead to some uncomfortable discussions intra-organization. Is that what we really want to prompt here? I hope not.

As I said earlier, unless things with AZ Italy change, we will be flying on our tickets in the same manner as before.

That said, I'll make sure to PM you in case I manage to convince an agent at MUC to change my LCA legs to TLV.

This is something, I would also certainly like to hear if you are willing to share. :)

Sure,. It's fine to say that. That is the "letter of the law".

People like me will take this as an opportunity to make a final decision on our flying plans and get it all sorted out before any sort of potentially disruptive changes happen and avoid any POTENTIAL future headaches.

The reason I weighed in was beaubo's tone in coming down on a "relatively new poster". Just not cool!

I am not going to discuss an AZ employee who has already helped a lot of FTers, especially in such manner where the discussion could lead to uncomfortable situations for all parties but the passengers.

I recall that AZ Italy decided that someone needed to deal with this mess to begin with. I have no reason to believe that AZ Italy will fail to allocate resources to deal with those tickets still outstanding. AZ Italy has not ordered any changes from what has transpired for months now in relation to this situation.

This is something, I would also certainly like to hear if you are willing to share. :)

Exceptions with AZ at airports are just that -- namely, exceptions. Do exceptions happen? Yes. :) Do I count on them? No. Am I thrilled when they happen? Yes. But I'd be careful who I asked and would limit my requests for such to airport-based personnel since they are more likely to "get away with it" with little career impact.

Sure,. It's fine to say that. That is the "letter of the law".

People like me will take this as an opportunity to make a final decision on our flying plans and get it all sorted out before any sort of potentially disruptive changes happen and avoid any POTENTIAL future headaches.

The reason I weighed in was beaubo's tone in coming down on a "relatively new poster". Just not cool!

I don't know what's transpired exactly -- and I'm not one for cracking down on "relatively new posters" -- but I do know that this thread does get attention from AZ Italy and that what's posted on here about an identifiable person, AZ employee or otherwise, may not go unnoticed and may have consequences. Just something to keep in mind.

This is just another example that validates why I routinely don't name names on an internet bulletin board, even when there are cries about "source", "link", "cite".

I don't know what's transpired exactly -- and I'm not one for cracking down on "relatively new posters"

Even reincarnations of Hans Dampf (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5877671&postcount=6743)?

Even reincarnations of Hans Dampf (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5877671&postcount=6743)?

You don't really expect me to post a comment about that here on FT, right? :)

I would not be surprised if the "stickered" approach worked for the posters who tried that approach and only that approach at some airport or another. Just not something that I'd count on without a contingency plan.

I recall that AZ Italy decided that someone needed to deal with this mess to begin with. I have no reason to believe that AZ Italy will fail to allocate resources to deal with those tickets still outstanding.
The average AZ employee would have no clue about the "established" policy regarding these tickets. Nicolo was seemingly the only person both informed of the policy and empowered to make the one-time date/routing changes to these tickets. If he will no longer be working in that capacity (as has been reported by more than one poster) I don't find it odd that people are uneasy until a clear "replacement" for Nicolo has been established. I for one don't necessarily share your confidence that it will be easy to find someone to work with regarding these tickets if and when Nicolo begins working in a different capacity. I note that the posters who have recently spoken to Nicolo did not mention anything about Nicolo giving them a name of someone else to contact in the future, but instead said that people would have to deal with the online retailers.

Now whether or not what these recent posters have stated about Nicolo changing jobs is in fact true is an entirely different question. beaubo, who has been very helpful and knowledgable in this thread regarding AZ policy, doesn't seem to give the idea much credence, but I'm not sure what he's basing that on.

The average AZ employee would have no clue about the "established" policy regarding these tickets.

... yes.

Nicolo was seemingly the only person both informed of the policy and empowered to make the one-time date/routing changes to these tickets.

... yes; but AZ Italy (upper management) is well capable to make things move on this too and is informed about the policy as well.

If he will no longer be working in that capacity (as has been reported by more than one poster) I don't find it odd that people are uneasy until a clear "replacement" for Nicolo has been established.

I don't find it odd that people are uneasy, but I find it odd that people are uneasy now when the circumstances that existed a few months back are the same circumstances that exist today and yet are so concerned by recent reports more than they have been about reports of AZ's solvency.

I for one don't necessarily share your confidence that it will be easy to find someone to work with regarding these tickets if and when Nicolo begins working in a different capacity. I note that the posters who have recently spoken to Nicolo did not mention anything about Nicolo giving them a name of someone else to contact in the future, but instead said that people would have to deal with the online retailers.

AZ is responsible for its personnel matters and backfilling or supplementing positions as needed in relation to this matter. Even if AZ were to be incapable of such backfilling and supplementation under rather extreme circumstances, AZ still has the means to resolve the issue to the customers satisfaction. Example: just offering $2800-$4000 in vouchers for AZ travel in exchange for each ticket surrendered, for that would make much of this issue dry up for quite the number of persons. ;)

Now whether or not what these recent posters have stated about Nicolo changing jobs is in fact true is an entirely different question. beaubo, who has been very helpful and knowledgable in this thread regarding AZ policy, doesn't seem to give the idea much credence, but I'm not sure what he's basing that on.

The only thing I've heard is that he's been awfully busy with this matter and deserves a promotion for juggling this in addition to the duties that he was performing before this mess was dropped on his plate. I don't question the veracity of reports by fellow FTers -- here, in particular, we've got a history of and an interest in working together -- but I do question what there is to be gained by discussing an identifiable individual in relation to internal AZ matters. If AZ Italy said "foggeda about it" in relation to these tickets, that'd be one thing; but this isn't that. We very well could be making someone's life very uncomfortable as a result of all these musings related to an identifiable individual.

Clearly Nicolo is the one person to deal with in this situation. It behooves each person to take the time and contact Nicolo to make appropriate arrangements. That being said, when he is no longer in his current capacity, it is appropriate that Alitalia put in place someone else to handle these tickets. The reality, though, will be that people attemptig to resolve ticket issues after Nicolo's departure will encounter a great deal of confusion, frustration, and wasted time.

On another note, any suggestions for the best hotel to stay at during the end of December for one night before my return flight? I'll be arriving into LCA at 930pm and leaving at 940am the next morning. Thanks..

And how do you know that, if there is a replacement, he or she will not be as competent as Nicolo? Enough already with all the speculation...


*** Bump re info on the hotel*** :)

what fare class is J? i am looking at ITA for availability on my outbound and it shows:

J1 D0 I0 Y5 B0 M0 H0 K0 V0 T0 N0 L0 O0 W0

would i be able to request the 1 J or not? thanks in advance for any info.

J is full-fare business, as opposed to discount business (D). In the instance given above, you would be out of luck for a seat since you need D availability.

what fare class is J? i am looking at ITA for availability on my outbound and it shows:

J1 D0 I0 Y5 B0 M0 H0 K0 V0 T0 N0 L0 O0 W0

would i be able to request the 1 J or not? thanks in advance for any info.


These were all "D" class, so that is what you'd need. And on the Cyprus Air, it has the be the AZ codeshare version that has D class.

The reason I weighed in was beaubo's tone in coming down on a "relatively new poster". Just not cool!

Didn't mean to be insensitive to new poster. My apologies.

For anyone who missed a flight on this fare, was Nicolo able to rebook you on a different date, or was your only option to accept a refund?

Also, am I correct in understanding that there is no longer an Alitalia ticketing desk in IAD?

Also, am I correct in understanding that there is no longer an Alitalia ticketing desk in IAD? I'm sure you are since they've discontinued IAD service.

J is full-fare business, as opposed to discount business (D). In the instance given above, you would be out of luck for a seat since you need D availability.

thanks for the replies Jaimito Cartero, beaubo, and YYZC2 ...the J seat also disapppeared by this morning so it wouldn't have mattered in any case... :p

A change in plans required me to get a refund on one of these tickets. I called nicolo and sent him the tickets. He sent me some kind of a sheet verifying the refund...but still nothing showing up on my credit card some 10 days after he received them. It's probably too early to wonder...but are there any others out there who had to ask for a refund on one of these....about how long did it take to show up on your credit card?

A change in plans required me to get a refund on one of these tickets. I called nicolo and sent him the tickets. He sent me some kind of a sheet verifying the refund...but still nothing showing up on my credit card some 10 days after he received them. It's probably too early to wonder...but are there any others out there who had to ask for a refund on one of these....about how long did it take to show up on your credit card?

I returned one of my tickets at the end of August. I was in NYC so I took the ticket to Nicolo for refund and I received the refund sheet you refer to. Still have not seen the refund on my CC. I guess it is probably time to make a call.

Let's clarify two things:
- Those two guys did not fight for you to have the tickets honored. Nicolo is the one who changed the fare rules after the tickets were issued.
- There are other folks with Alitalia who are willing to change the dates!

Jim Liu,

Your first point is factually incorrect.

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Any LCA airport hotels that anyone here has had any experience with?

There are no airport hotels in Larnaca. Dont expect too much from this destination. Cyprus is pure crap. Arriving after 5.30 pm means that you dont have a bus to the city. Be aware of the taxis which highly overcharge you. They want to have 5 CYP for the 2.5 miles to the city. We paid 3 CYP. They refuse to use the taxi meter. In the moring there are busses to the airport. At 8 am from the church and at 7.30 and 8.30 from the beach. One ride is 0.70 CYP.

Hotels are very expsensive but may relatively cheaply be booked via www.bookcyprus.com. Another option - what we did - go to the Youth Hostel near Trodos sqauare. They charge you 5 CYP per nose. Be aware that the restrooms smell like a pork house. Hence, better take a shower in the airport lounge prior to your departure.

There are no airport hotels in Larnaca. Dont expect too much from this destination. Cyprus is pure crap. Arriving after 5.30 pm means that you dont have a bus to the city. Be aware of the taxis which highly overcharge you. They want to have 5 CYP for the 2.5 miles to the city. We paid 3 CYP. They refuse to use the taxi meter. In the moring there are busses to the airport. At 8 am from the church and at 7.30 and 8.30 from the beach. One ride is 0.70 CYP.

Hotels are very expsensive but may relatively cheaply be booked via www.bookcyprus.com. Another option - what we did - go to the Youth Hostel near Trodos sqauare. They charge you 5 CYP per nose. Be aware that the restrooms smell like a pork house. Hence, better take a shower in the airport lounge prior to your departure.

Thanks. Now I know not to stay in a 5 CYP/night roach motel.

... evidence that it's possible to drop segments, etc.

Dropping segments is no problem at all. Several agents are willing to do so. Your best beat might be the lounges. If they refuse, insist in having it dropped.

Cyprus is pure crap. Be aware of the taxis which highly overcharge you. They want to have 5 CYP for the 2.5 miles to the city. We paid 3 CYP. They refuse to use the taxi meter.


Funny, my cab from the airport to my hotel with the meter running cost 5.15 CYP, gave the driver a 10 and he handed me back 5 and told me to enjoy my stay. I'm sorry a $10-$11 cab ride from the airport seems expensive to you.

Most people, including myself, have reported Cyprus to be far more enjoyable then they thought it would be, it is unfortunate that you did not enjoy yourself.

Hotels are very expsensive Another option - what we did - go to the Youth Hostel near Trodos sqauare. They charge you 5 CYP per nose. Be aware that the restrooms smell like a pork house. Hence, better take a shower in the airport lounge prior to your departure

Wow, if anything hotels in Cyprus are cheap compared to the rest of Europe, well Western Europe anyway. There are a variety of posts in this thread recommending nice apartment style rooms for 15-25 CYP per night.

Perhaps it's not my place to ask, but have you traveled much?

Arriving after 5.30 pm means that you dont have a bus to the city. Be aware of the taxis which highly overcharge you. They want to have 5 CYP for the 2.5 miles to the city. We paid 3 CYP. They refuse to use the taxi meter.

I'm sorry Jim Liu but even though I haven't used my YYZ-LCA ticket just yet I'll say that $10 for a 2.5 mile cab ride is about average here in NYC. Check it out:

http://www.ny.com/transportation/taxis/

Taxi Fares
The rates for taxicabs are as follows:

Initial fare.............$2.00
Each 1/5 mile (4 blocks).$0.30
Each 1 minute idle.......$0.20
Night surcharge..........$0.50 (after 8pm until 6am)
Additional riders........FREE

Add on your mileage, night surcharge and tip and your $10 bill is gone.

I would advise all of you who have not yet gone to Cyprus to largely discount the rant by Jim Liu. We went in June and had a great time and are looking forward to our second trip in November. Cyprus is not cheap as the pound is quite expensive right now, but we found everyone quite pleasant and accommodating. The biggest turnoff for us was the large number of overweight Englishmen wandering around shirtless, but that should not be as much of a problem in November. :D

Nicolo is the one who changed the fare rules after the tickets were issued.

Dropping segments is no problem at all. [..] If they refuse, insist in having it dropped.I would urge everyone to ignore the factually incorrect and misleading information, provided by the OP :rolleyes:.

I returned one of my tickets at the end of August. I was in NYC so I took the ticket to Nicolo for refund and I received the refund sheet you refer to. Still have not seen the refund on my CC. I guess it is probably time to make a call.

Wow....two months and still no sight of a refund on your credit card...I agree it's time for you to make a call. That is an awful long time....but given AZ's financial situation, I am afraid it doesn't shock me. :eek: I'll have to sit back and wait what will appear to be awhile for mine.

I'd hold on tight to that sheet they gave you upon refunding it...it will come in handy should you down the road have to give a call to your CC company.

Dear All,

I'm currently in a hotel in Cyprus. I was meant to me flying to JFK (via FCO/Rome) this morning. However there are no flights to Rome on a Monday. It seems that Orbitz have sent me a ticket for a flight that doesn't exists. There was a Milan flight but I would have to pay for it myself plus there where no granitites that I would be put on the Milan - JFK/EWR flights.

They have moved me to tomorrow morning however I have lost my pre-booked non refundable/changeable hotel in NYC which was not exactly cheap. I'm currently in the process of trying to get that money out of Orbitz. Any ideas?

Also due to a busy flight I might not be in Business.

Dom.

Dear All,

I'm currently in a hotel in Cyprus. I was meant to me flying to JFK (via FCO/Rome) this morning. However there are no flights to Rome on a Monday. It seems that Orbitz have sent me a ticket for a flight that doesn't exists. There was a Milan flight but I would have to pay for it myself plus there where no granitites that I would be put on the Milan - JFK/EWR flights.

They have moved me to tomorrow morning however I have lost my pre-booked non refundable/changeable hotel in NYC which was not exactly cheap. I'm currently in the process of trying to get that money out of Orbitz. Any ideas?

Also due to a busy flight I might not be in Business.

Dom.

Ouch Dom, sorry to hear this situation here. Can you clarify regarding your ticket? It doesn't appear that your ticket was reissued by Nicolo, from the sound of it, correct? IMHO, I think AZ will probably say the best you are getting from them is the next day JFK flight, they are technically still honoring the tix.

The bigger beef I would have is Orbitz; however, are you certain Orbitz didn't contact you prior to leaving about a schedule change that may have occurred? I think you have a legit case of having Orbitz cough up some dough if they failed to notify you of the sched. change, but that's just me. Plus given the tooth pulling that everyone went through in the beginning, not sure how many hoops you'll have to go through on this to make them take responsibility.

I'd recommend calling Orbitz 800 toll free via Skype if you have that option to get this resolved before you have to pay anymore than necessary. IIRC, Skype allows free 800 numbers from anywhere.

Good luck!

Have people been getting the new Magnifica seats on the YYZ-MXP portion?

Have people been getting the new Magnifica seats on the YYZ-MXP portion?

Nope, on my 3 MXP-YYZ flights, they were the old seats (granted one was a back to back flight). Flights on 10/18 and 10/22.

Though it doesn't feature the wizz-bang of the leather seats, the old seats are comfortable. The biggest thing amiss is the digeplayer. You can only stand to watch the same movie a certain number of times!

My flights:

10/4 YYZ - MXP Old Seats
10/9 MXP - YYZ New Seats

My flights:

10/4 YYZ - MXP Old Seats
10/9 MXP - YYZ New Seats


I had old seats on 24/10 (yyz - mxp) and 27/10 (mxp - yyz)

Re my above post.

Thanks for the info. I've checked my e-mail and there was no direct e-mail saying the flight had been changed. I did get a e-mail confirming my flights with the LCA-FCO missing, this was only sent a couple of weeks ago so I think I have to get on the phone again. I try Skype when I'm back in the UK as i can only use the hotel computers at the mo.

Dom.

Is it correct that those of us who were originally booked in Y for Italy-LCA (or v-v) flights cannot be rebooked in D even if availability is there?

Is it correct that those of us who were originally booked in Y for Italy-LCA (or v-v) flights cannot be rebooked in D even if availability is there?

That was the information Nicolo had given me. He told me I could either wait to see if D became available, or just take the Y. Once reissued, you are stuck with it (unless you get a gate agent who is willing to change it for you).

Don't worry about D, the seats themselves are no different. The only thing I could see different was the curtain seperating Y and D.

That was the information Nicolo had given me. He told me I could either wait to see if D became available, or just take the Y. Once reissued, you are stuck with it (unless you get a gate agent who is willing to change it for you).

Don't worry about D, the seats themselves are no different. The only thing I could see different was the curtain seperating Y and D.

It's showing D4 (AZ flight) but he wouldn't rebook me in BC. Yes, the A320s are not really different but the 319s are. I just called him today. Haven't reissued yet.

That was the information Nicolo had given me. He told me I could either wait to see if D became available, or just take the Y. Once reissued, you are stuck with it (unless you get a gate agent who is willing to change it for you).

Don't worry about D, the seats themselves are no different. The only thing I could see different was the curtain seperating Y and D.


But also you don't have lounge access, right?

Correct. We were in Y and denied access. BTW - No shorts allowed at the CY lounge in LCA.

Correct. We were in Y and denied access. BTW - No shorts allowed at the CY lounge in LCA.

I'm currently in the lounge in LCA at the moment. My paper ticket showed Y but due to the no existant flight yesterday they have rebooked me in D. The only problem is that i'm in Y for FCO - JFK which is far more important. I'm on a waiting list hopefully some people wont show up today.

Dom.

I was booking a car thru Thrifty and noticed the following free day deal...


FREE Rental Days
You can't beat this DEAL! When you rent a Mini, Economy or Compact car for 3 days or more at either our Larnaca Airport location or our Pafos Airport location, we'll take care of the rental charges , time and mileage only. That's right folks, a FREE rental when you rent a minimum of 3 days and a maximum of 7 days between November 1st, 2006 and March 19, 2007.

72 hour advance reservation required.

A limited number of vehicles are available at this discount so hurry and book your's now.


My four day rental came out to 8 CYP per day. Here is the link to the web page... https://www.thrifty.com/reservations/index.aspx?ControlTarget=Deals&SavedState=True&PromotionId=15459

I hope it can help a few people going in the next few months.

I was booking a car thru Thrifty and noticed the following free day deal...
I hope it can help a few people going in the next few months.

got 4 days too, for 56 CY total, thanks again..!!

Just got back yesterday from a weekend trip to LCA. Met asienflieger en route. We had a fun time together. Talk about a dedicated MR'er - he definitely is one! He gets back to DTM tomorrow. Welcome home asienflieger.

Is it possible to get seats assigned on CY? If so, how? Also, is it advisable to contact CY to confirm the flights?

Thanks in advance.

Is it possible to get seats assigned on CY? If so, how? Also, is it advisable to contact CY to confirm the flights?Yes, you can do it 24 (possibly 48-72) hours before the departure of each CY-operated leg -- just give CY a call. You can also re-confirm your flight at the same time.

Would anyone know how I can access the schedule for the Cyprus Air flights that will be in effect in early 2007 (specifically March). The Alitalia website's timetable seems to be good through Oct. 2006. I would like to know which days of the week flights leave from MXP and FCO to LCA.

Also, it looks like the YYZ-FCO non-stop is not operating in March. Is this correct?

I appreciate the expertise.

Would anyone know how I can access the schedule for the Cyprus Air flights that will be in effect in early 2007 (specifically March). The Alitalia website's timetable seems to be good through Oct. 2006. I would like to know which days of the week flights leave from MXP and FCO to LCA.

Also, it looks like the YYZ-FCO non-stop is not operating in March. Is this correct?

I appreciate the expertise.


http://www.cyprusairways.com/main/default.aspx?mid=505&TabID=55&ItemID=226

Click on the timetables button on the side of the page and then select the city under the appropriate season.

Appears to have the schedule to March 2007.


Here, this link is a little more direct:

http://www.cyprusairways.com/main/default.aspx?tabid=55

NEW NICOLO UPDATE NOVEMBER 1, 2006

Steve,



Please post this for me on Flyer Talk:



Effective immediately, tickets issued in the United States must be sent to the issuing dot com agency (Orbitz, Cheap Tickets, Travelocity) for a refund. This applies only for tickets that were not reissued by an AZ office.



Reissued tickets must be sent to my attention for refund.



For ticket/s issued by Travelocity in Canada:

Ticket/s must be sent to Travelocity in Canada for a refund.

Reissued ticket/s by our counter in Toronto, refund must be handled by AZ in Canada.



For tickets issued in US and reissued by AZ in Canada; must be sent to my attention for refund.



For tickets that were not reissued and have a sticker; must be sent to dot com for refund.



Please include a copy of this e-mail to send out along with ticket/s to Dot.com agency:



To: Orbitz/ Cheap Tickets/ Travelocity

C/o Refund department:



Dear Travel Partner,



As per rule of fare basis DRTCA9, CAD39.00/eqv USD33.00 plus taxes , YYZ/LCA/YYZ;

*Tickets are refundable.

*Lost ticket procedure not applicable prior or after departure.

*Partial refund not applicable.



**This authorization to refund purchaser is only for the above fare basis and fare. For ticket/s issued at CAD3900.00, with same fare basis, please apply rules/restrictions accordingly.** Feel free to contact me for any questions at the number indicated below.





Best regards,

Nicolo` <last name removed>

Alitalia Airlines

Tariffs Analyst

350 Fifth Avenue

Suite 3700

New York, NY 10118

Tel: 212-903-3571

What does this actually mean? I have tickets that are currently on hold. The dates I originally booked has passed, but Nicolo put my tickets on hold, and I was to call him when I was ready to reissue...who would I call?

NEW NICOLO UPDATE NOVEMBER 1, 2006

Steve,



Please post this for me on Flyer Talk:



Effective immediately, tickets issued in the United States must be sent to the issuing dot com agency (Orbitz, Cheap Tickets, Travelocity) for a refund. This applies only for tickets that were not reissued by an AZ office.



Reissued tickets must be sent to my attention for refund.



For ticket/s issued by Travelocity in Canada:

Ticket/s must be sent to Travelocity in Canada for a refund.

Reissued ticket/s by our counter in Toronto, refund must be handled by AZ in Canada.



For tickets issued in US and reissued by AZ in Canada; must be sent to my attention for refund.



For tickets that were not reissued and have a sticker; must be sent to dot com for refund.



Please include a copy of this e-mail to send out along with ticket/s to Dot.com agency:



To: Orbitz/ Cheap Tickets/ Travelocity

C/o Refund department:



Dear Travel Partner,



As per rule of fare basis DRTCA9, CAD39.00/eqv USD33.00 plus taxes , YYZ/LCA/YYZ;

*Tickets are refundable.

*Lost ticket procedure not applicable prior or after departure.

*Partial refund not applicable.



**This authorization to refund purchaser is only for the above fare basis and fare. For ticket/s issued at CAD3900.00, with same fare basis, please apply rules/restrictions accordingly.** Feel free to contact me for any questions at the number indicated below.





Best regards,

Nicolo` <last name removed>

Alitalia Airlines

Tariffs Analyst

350 Fifth Avenue

Suite 3700

New York, NY 10118

Tel: 212-903-3571

I believe Nicolo is clarifying the correct refund proceedures, if so desired.

Yes, clearly this applies to refunds.

It is silent on making an itinerary change.

Two questions, one old, one new:

1) How can I find the minimum connection time at YYZ for an AZ-AC or AZ-UA connection? My MXP-YYZ flight gets in at 135pm, and due to a schedule change, my YYZ-DCA flight now leaves earlier at 345pm.

Is 2 hours 10 minutes enough time? This is on new year's eve so I don't want to get stuck on some 8pm flight bc I miss the earlier one and get back into the city late....



2) Any suggestions on a decent hotel in LCA just for one night before my outbound flight? I get in from TLV around 10 and have the 940 LCA-MXP flight.

Thanks,

Pete

Two questions, one old, one new:
1) How can I find the minimum connection time at YYZ for an AZ-AC or AZ-UA connection? My MXP-YYZ flight gets in at 135pm, and due to a schedule change, my YYZ-DCA flight now leaves earlier at 345pm.

Is 2 hours 10 minutes enough time? This is on new year's eve so I don't want to get stuck on some 8pm flight bc I miss the earlier one and get back into the city late....

That meets the minimum connect time standards per Apollo reservation system. Of course, it has been mentioned more than once on this thread that the MXP-YYZ flight is often late. Looks like the next flight YYZ-DCA is not until 6pm. You might be safer booking the later flight but if all goes well, the connection you mentioned is legitimate.


2) Any suggestions on a decent hotel in LCA just for one night before my outbound flight? I get in from TLV around 10 and have the 940 LCA-MXP flight.

Thanks,

Pete

I will have to look at home tonight but I stayed at a hotel on the weekend in LCA very close to the airport. Hotel San Pedro or something like that. Cost 18 pounds including tax and breakfast. Clean though nothing special. A couple of stores nearby within walking distance.

John

probably a couple thousand posts back, someone remarked that a certain bulkhead seat on the old school 763 had a lot more legroom...what seat number is that? thanks! :)

Dropping segments is no problem at all. Several agents are willing to do so. Your best beat might be the lounges. If they refuse, insist in having it dropped.

This is not entirely true. What MAY happen is that if you are a no show for your CY flights, you MAY not loose your AZ segments. CY and AZ may not talk to each other on this. The only reason I am saying this is because in LCA I called AZ and tried to extend my LCA stay. They said no changes were possible. The only thing that was possible is if I "missed" my CY flight, I could buy my own flight to MXP the next day to catch my AZ flight. The agent said the AZ flights would not be affected. However, this is not the rule and I didnt try doing it. But YMMV.


I would advise all of you who have not yet gone to Cyprus to largely discount the rant by Jim Liu. We went in June and had a great time and are looking forward to our second trip in November. Cyprus is not cheap as the pound is quite expensive right now, but we found everyone quite pleasant and accommodating. The biggest turnoff for us was the large number of overweight Englishmen wandering around shirtless, but that should not be as much of a problem in November. :D

I agree. Cyprus was wonderful and a trip of a lifetime. As mentioned above, we really wanted to extend the trip.


On a seperate note, has anyone been able to get AZ miles for the LCA - MXP/FCO segment of the trip?? I was able to get AZ miles for the FCO-LCA portion of the trip where the boarding pass was AZ issued and showed the AZ flight number. I did not get the LCA-MXP segment where the boarding pass was CY issued and marked with a CY flight number. I had to send boarding passes for all segments and re-sent it for the CY segment with a note that it was an AZ code share.. still did not get miles for that segment. Wonder if thats the case with anyone else??

On a seperate note, has anyone been able to get AZ miles for the LCA - MXP/FCO segment of the trip?? I was able to get AZ miles for the FCO-LCA portion of the trip where the boarding pass was AZ issued and showed the AZ flight number. I did not get the LCA-MXP segment where the boarding pass was CY issued and marked with a CY flight number. I had to send boarding passes for all segments and re-sent it for the CY segment with a note that it was an AZ code share.. still did not get miles for that segment. Wonder if thats the case with anyone else??
We got AZ miles by sending in our CY-issued boarding passes. ^

We got AZ miles by sending in our CY-issued boarding passes. ^

Alitalia's YYZ office also accepts mileage requests by fax or e-mail:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=591678

For the record, neither of my ex-LCA flights (one to MXP, one to FCO) posted automatically, I don't expect my upcoming FCO flight to post automatically either.

NEW NICOLO UPDATE NOVEMBER 1, 2006

Steve,

Please post this for me on Flyer Talk:


Effective immediately, tickets issued in the United States must be sent to the issuing dot com agency (Orbitz, Cheap Tickets, Travelocity) for a refund. This applies only for tickets that were not reissued by an AZ office.

...<snip>...



Has anybody refunded their ticket to online vendors? Did the agency booking fee & paper tix charge get refunded too since the LCA itin was messed up?

Alitalia's YYZ office also accepts mileage requests by fax or e-mail:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=591678

For the record, neither of my ex-LCA flights (one to MXP, one to FCO) posted automatically, I don't expect my upcoming FCO flight to post automatically either.

Once you sent the BP, how long did the flights take to post?

Thanks, John. I was originally booked on the 6pm flight but I think it was cancelled as I got an e-mail saying I was rebooked on the earlier flight. The 6pm flight is zeroed out in expertflyer. It is also not for sale on the AC website. There are a few UA codeshares at decent times so I'm going to try and snag one of those.

Thanks for the hotel info. I'm just looking for something clean and quiet for 12 hours.... I'll look into the one you mentione.


That meets the minimum connect time standards per Apollo reservation system. Of course, it has been mentioned more than once on this thread that the MXP-YYZ flight is often late. Looks like the next flight YYZ-DCA is not until 6pm. You might be safer booking the later flight but if all goes well, the connection you mentioned is legitimate.



I will have to look at home tonight but I stayed at a hotel on the weekend in LCA very close to the airport. Hotel San Pedro or something like that. Cost 18 pounds including tax and breakfast. Clean though nothing special. A couple of stores nearby within walking distance.

John

Once you sent the BP, how long did the flights take to post?
I emailed a scan of the boarding passes and ticket to AZ. No need to send originals. Posting was fairly fast as I recall - less than two weeks.

Yes, clearly this applies to refunds.

It is silent on making an itinerary change.

I just made (hung up the phone 1 minute ago) a change through Nicolo.

Last set of changes made through Nicolo a few minutes ago as well.

I wish all airline personnel were as easy to deal with as this gentleman

Thanks Nicolo^

Came back from YYZ yesterday. Had 2 great roundtrips YYZ-MXP-LCA. One roundtrip flying together with fti. We had a great time and lot of fun; he learned me a lot for my future MR.

The food on both AZ and CY was excellent, especially the sweets out of YYZ with the white chocolate ^ .

Flying DUS-YYZ-DUS with AZ too (400 €), I was very happy about an upgrade to business on the MXP-YYZ leg, because of overbooking the economy.
One leg LCA-FCO was in Y only. I was unable to upgrade into D at Louis office in the airport, because D was realy full.

The only annoying was the Canadian immigration at YYZ. As a male, travelling alone, staying only for one night I was unable to get my stamp at once. So I got a special questioning for 3 times as well as 2 times visit the customs to get an all baggage search (the one time I was routed FCO-EWR-YYZ I was happy to get my US stamp at once).

All Flying Blue members: please make sure that they type in your card-no. at check in or gate. On 3 flights the check in lady said: Your card-no. is already in the system. For this flights the miles are not posted on my account. All flights they put in my card-no. the miles appear on my account.

I just made (hung up the phone 1 minute ago) a change through Nicolo.
Was this a change from an original itinerary or a change of a change? I've read the rule is one change only. No?

Was this a change from an original itinerary or a change of a change? I've read the rule is one change only. No?

The rule is that once you reticket, no more changes. I made changes to this ticket a month ago and then made more changes today. But I hadn't reticketed after the changes a month ago. Right now I have dates in March that I'm happy with so I don't anticipate making another change.

One of my original tickets was for travel YYZ-FCO but I had to cancel. I can keep it for future date however when is the next YYZ-FCO scheduled? I have tried random dates and everything shows YYZ-FCO via MXP. Anyone know when it will change?

Also, is it better to qualify for elite status in Jan or Dec for SkyTeam? I figure either way would qualify me through Feb 2008 correct?

Also, is it better to qualify for elite status in Jan or Dec for SkyTeam? I figure either way would qualify me through Feb 2008 correct?

If you qualify for elite status in January (25,000 eqm's or greater) you will have status for 2007, 2008 and Feb 2009.

One of my original tickets was for travel YYZ-FCO but I had to cancel. I can keep it for future date however when is the next YYZ-FCO scheduled? I have tried random dates and everything shows YYZ-FCO via MXP. Anyone know when it will change?

Also, is it better to qualify for elite status in Jan or Dec for SkyTeam? I figure either way would qualify me through Feb 2008 correct?

With the US airline programs, it's better to start and finish in January with status qualification/re-qualification.

With the US airline programs, it's better to start and finish in January with status qualification/re-qualification.

This is the only reason i am doing 4 MSP-Bristol via AMS in january.., ^

thanks again to FT et al for your advice..!! :D

I can understand the US programs, but I always thought KLM would be different somehow. So regardless if I choose NW or KL to earn miles on, it would be better to wait until January to do these, in order to get status through 02/09, correct?

I can understand the US programs, but I always thought KLM would be different somehow. So regardless if I choose NW or KL to earn miles on, it would be better to wait until January to do these, in order to get status through 02/09, correct?

I too am curious if AF/KL, unlike the US programs, uses a rolling-calendar method of determining status and elite status membership period.

Unless you've moved a NW or KL account between the US and Europe (or vice versa), you could still qualify with NW and then move the account to Europe to get the whole account converted into FlyingBlue, right?

I too am curious if AF/KL, unlike the US programs, uses a rolling-calendar method of determining status and elite status membership period.

Definitely calendar year. Was so under Flying Dutchman and continues to be so under Flying Blue.

...., you could still qualify with NW and then move the account to Europe to get the whole account converted into FlyingBlue, right?

If i understand this correctly i can attain plat stat on nwa and then "move" the acct to europe and have plat stat on FB..?

What are the pros n cons of doing this..?

So maybe I'm slightly mentally impaired, but I'm trying to figure out if I'll make elite status on DL with the following itin:

YYZ-MXP AZ D
MXP-LCA AZ D (Codeshare)
LCA-MXP AZ D (Codeshare)
MXP-FCO AZ D
FCO-MXP AZ Y
MXP-YYZ AZ D


I currently have 4002 MQM. Will I make it?

Thanks,

Pete

So maybe I'm slightly mentally impaired, but I'm trying to figure out if I'll make elite status on DL with the following itin:

Total MQM

YYZ-MXP AZ D 6179
MXP-LCA AZ D 1863 (Codeshare)
LCA-MXP AZ D 1863 (Codeshare)
MXP-FCO AZ D 750
FCO-MXP AZ Y 750
MXP-YYZ AZ D 6179

Total: 17,584

I currently have 4002 MQM. Will I make it?

Grand Total 21,586

Looks like you'll fall about 3500 miles short :( From what I understand the codeshare flights arn't suppost to post but they have been with Delta. In particular the Italy to LCA flights post automatically but the return flight will not post automatically so you have to mail/fax in your ticket receipt and boarding pass.

I just faxed in my ticket receipt today to get LCA-FCO credited, can't find the boarding passes but the receipt only shows the AZ flight numbers so I'm happy, hopefully it's not a problem. ;)

So maybe I'm slightly mentally impaired, but I'm trying to figure out if I'll make elite status on DL with the following itin:

YYZ-MXP AZ D
MXP-LCA AZ D (Codeshare)
LCA-MXP AZ D (Codeshare)
MXP-FCO AZ D
FCO-MXP AZ Y
MXP-YYZ AZ D


I currently have 4002 MQM. Will I make it?

Thanks,

Pete
No.

(1) Delta doesn't give a 100% EQM bonus on paid business like AZ does.

(2) Technically you aren't entitled to DL miles for MXP-LCA-MXP operated by CY.. though DL has been known to credit those flights ;)

Maybe I'll be able to get DL to match my AA status before I fly. It seems hit or miss as to whether they will simply match status or offer a challenge. Otherwise what is the best US airline to credit the miles to?

This is my first time in MXP. Are there any must see sites?

Just in case someone is travelling to Rome or Milano in the next weeks and has not decided where to sleep.

Sol Melia is currently running their 50th Anniversary Special Promotion which allows you to book rooms for just 60,-- € per night.

Be aware that the Melia Roma Aurelia Antica is a few kilometers outside of Rome, so i recommend renting a rental car (SIXTI for 5,-- € including 100km a day is fine) to get there. Once at the hotel you can take their shuttle bus to the City or use your car to get to the next Metro station (approx. 5km).

The Melia Milano is located just 4 metro stops away from the city center, so going there using the Malpensa Express is fine.

Sol Melia Promotion (http://www.solmelia.com/solNew/promociones/producto/50000Hab/jsp/C_Home.jsp?buscador=4019&idcrit=4963&idcrit2=4027)

Promo is valid for nights until 15th Jan. 2007 and ends Tuesday, 7th November.

This is my first time in MXP. Are there any must see sites?

Definitely see the Duomo (it's covered with scaffolding so be sure to go inside), The Galleria and La Scala. If you have time you could also see da Vinci's "the last supper" at the Convernt of Santa Maria delle Grazie. If you take the bus into town you will stop at the central station which is also impressive.

have fun, dan

Do folks have tickets well into next year on this? It just feels like it has been around for a loooooooog time.

Do folks have tickets well into next year on this? It just feels like it has been around for a loooooooog time.

It'll certainly end up being into the beginning of April. :D

It'll certainly end up being into the beginning of April. :D

I used my ticket in May itself. I guess this thread is going to be on the first page for another 6 months. :D

Edit: Deleted as problem has happily gone away due to date error by my sister!! I now just need to travel LCA-LHR-LCA during my stay in Cyprus to attend her wedding ^

I am pretty sure the no show for LCA flight
will cause the rest of the itinerary to be cancelled.

But I figure people miss flights all the time and probably don’t loose the rest of the booking.

That is not correct.

That is not correct.

I understand that people who just miss the flights probably get the rest of the itin cancelled and I probably worded what I said a bit wrong, but people don't take flights for all sorts of reasons such as medical emergency, being intoxicated and refused boarding, family emergency etc. and probably don't have the rest of the itin cancelled. Maybe if I was more upfront about my situation and the fact that I would be travelling to LCA on my own dime (probably on CY) to catch the return AZ/CY might cut me some slack?

Here is my experience:

My itinerary was YYZ-JFK-MXP//MXP-LCA-FCO-MXP(one night turnaround)//MXP-YYZ.

10/28: got to YYZ with an AA 15k miles award. Flight was delayed 2 hrs for rain and winds.Got into YYZ late but still very early for my AE 2.40pm flight. Checked in without any problem adn got to the gate. All flights were getting into YYZ late because the weather was a mess in NYC. My flight left more than 2h30' late and got into JFK at 6.30; my JFK-MXP was leaving at 7 and I didn-t have my BP, because AA could not check me through in YYZ. Arrived at the far end of T9 and ran out with roll-a-board and laptop, no checked luggage. I figured that the airtrain would be too slow and I took a cab from T9 to T1. I was at the AZ check-in counter for Magnifica at 6.50pm...the agent looked at me as if I was completely out f my mind when he asked me if I was going to MXP and I said yes. I was very mad, I told them I misconnected and that I was on the same ticket, not a separate one. supervisor came, adn they offered me to rebook me on the direct from EWR, leaving 4 hrs later but I really didn't feel like heading to EWR, I was exhausted after 4 days of almost non-stop work at the office, without sleeping. So they put me on the direct to FCO and then on to LIN.I asked them if I could drop the LCA segments stating that as I was getting home later I did not want to go to LCA.they looked at the ticket and did not notice the no changes language. They were very busy as a lot of people had misconnections due to inclement weather.I told them that I would do it in the lounge, biting my tongue as my words were flowing out., and they said yes, try there, we are busy here...Got to the end of the looooooong security line at JFK (they did not have power until 6.30 that day). Got into the lounge and I asked the agent if she could drop my LCA segments as they told me at the check-in counter.She said that they shouldn't have told me to do it there because she can't..Sh asked me to have a drink and she would work on it. She came after 5 minutes just to be sure about which segments I wanted to drop.After 20 minutes she said that everything was ok and I relaxed in the lounge. Flight was nice and the 777 was confortable.Got in FCO 35 minutes early.While on the phone with the friend who was supposed to pick me up (a fellow FT'er), he wanted to know how I had missed a flight that left 1h and 40' late?!?!!?I said I don't know!possibly the flight was ready to go on time but there were many flights ahead of it and it was just sitting on the tarmac. Anyway, got into LIN slightly late because we had and extra passenger who was not supposed to be there!During the week I did not call AZ to reconfirm my seat.Yesterday, 11/5, I went to the Magnifica check-in counter and I was a little scared, but everything went smooth adn we left on time.I stand-byed on an earlier AE flight and got home earlier.

The 767 on the MXP-YYZ was not that bad, seats are old but soft.No PTV.Service was not as good as on the JFK-MXP. Anyway I could sleep on both flights, but maybe I was just very tired adn it didn't depend on the C seats.YMMV

NICOLO UPDATE NOV 7

Dear FT members,

Starting on Monday, November 13th, you will be contacting Mr. Joseph Mattia at 212-903-3475 to handle:

Date Changes. E-mails not accepted.
Refunds on reissued tickets by AZ; (please follow instructions posted on Nov 1st, by Beaubo) Mr. Mattia will answer calls on Mon/Wed/Fri from 9am till 4pm. Though Mr. Mattia will be handling date changes, he will be under my supervision and final approval.

Reminder:

Lost tickets are non refundable nor replaceable prior and/or after departure
Once travel commenced passenger should lose ticket or miss flight a new return ticket must be purchased at passenger’s expense. Replacement ticket non refundable.
For passengers missing their flight from YYZ or connection to AZ gateway in NYC, BOS or CHI, it will be the airport’s discretion to offer a re-protection on the next AZ available flight, otherwise a new ticket must be purchased. Refund on replacement not applicable.
Travel must be completed on date ticket was originally issued
Stopovers permitted in Milan and/or Rome
LCA segments can not be dropped.
Tickets are non endorsable for any given reason.

I appreciate your cooperation and support. Thank you!

Sincerely,

Nicolo` Cimilluca

Alitalia Airlines

Tariffs Analyst

350 Fifth Avenue

Suite 3700

New York, NY 10118

I have copied the above post into the mega-post on the first page of this thread.

Thanks, beaubo and thanks Nicolo. ^^

For passengers missing their flight from YYZ or connection to AZ gateway in NYC, BOS or CHI, it will be the airport’s discretion to offer a re-protection on the next AZ available flight, otherwise a new ticket must be purchased. Refund on replacement not applicable.

LCA segments can not be dropped.





LCA can indeed be dropped :D

I saved them money!

Some comments here could be used to the detriment of those employees who did a service and favor that is not technically allowed (but may happen here and there). If I were to thank those employees for such service and favor, I would not want to leave any information here that could be used against them. :)

Some comments here could be used to the detriment of those employees who did a service and favor that is not technically allowed (but may happen here and there). If I were to thank those employees for such service and favor, I would not want to leave any information here that could be used against them. :)

Edited post.

I believe that some AZ employees are not aware of the LCA mistake,even though I find it strange, but it's AZ so communication problems are everyday's business. :D

Edited post.

I believe that some AZ employees are not aware of the LCA mistake,even though I find it strange, but it's AZ so communication problems are everyday's business. :D

:D LOL :D ^^ Even "bad things" can bring about "good things". :D

Is anyone else on YYZ-MXP tomorrow (November 9)?

I was booking a car thru Thrifty and noticed the following free day deal...


FREE Rental Days


Thanks for the heads up. :) Note that only the mini car is CYP 8/day. The next 2 categories are between CYP 16 and 18/day. Note that Thrifty does allow you to drive their rental cars into the north with the following caveat:


Yes , you may go to the North of Cyprus but unfortunately you will not
be cover by any car insurance
on our behalf. In case of an emergency you will have full
responsibility.

I was booking a car thru Thrifty and noticed the following free day deal...


FREE Rental Days
You can't beat this DEAL! When you rent a Mini, Economy or Compact car for 3 days or more at either our Larnaca Airport location or our Pafos Airport location, we'll take care of the rental charges , time and mileage only. That's right folks, a FREE rental when you rent a minimum of 3 days and a maximum of 7 days between November 1st, 2006 and March 19, 2007.

72 hour advance reservation required.

A limited number of vehicles are available at this discount so hurry and book your's now.


My four day rental came out to 8 CYP per day. Here is the link to the web page... https://www.thrifty.com/reservations/index.aspx?ControlTarget=Deals&SavedState=True&PromotionId=15459

I hope it can help a few people going in the next few months.
I'm sorry, am I missing something? How does 8 CYP per day = free?

I'm sorry, am I missing something? How does 8 CYP per day = free?

The regular rate for a mini is 13CYP per day, with the discount they cut the rate to 8CYP. In fact it is a little better than a free day based on my 4 day rental.

I am now back to planning 2-3 more LCA runs in 2007.

When I last departed Larnaca,
the tarmac was filled with MEA planes
escaping the bombing of BEY the day before.

I see CY shows flights LCA-BEY operating normally,
although still a hefty $300 for the 150-mile hop.

Since I already bought the Lonely Planet guide,
I just might go there for a long weekend in January. :eek:

Anybody been into BEY since it re-opened?

The regular rate for a mini is 13CYP per day, with the discount they cut the rate to 8CYP. In fact it is a little better than a free day based on my 4 day rental.
Ah, now I see. Is it just me or is their offer horribly worded to imply that the whole rental will be free except for fees and surcharges? "...we'll take care of the rental charges..." "That's right folks, a FREE rental..." I guess they just mean a free day. Although the economy class (the cheapest class available with automatic transmission) is only discounted 2CYP/day, so that works out to less than a free day on a four-day rental, so they should probably just say "discounted rate." :confused: Don't mean to sound ungrateful though, any discount's better than none.

The regular rate for a mini is 13CYP per day, with the discount they cut the rate to 8CYP. In fact it is a little better than a free day based on my 4 day rental.

The CYP8 rate is net of taxes and fees however. A 5 day rental for me is CYP 40 with the special, CYP 80.50 w/o (CYP 13/day + 15% VAT + CYP5 airport fee).

I suspect that there may be a refueling charge, possibly mandatory, though.

The CYP8 rate is net of taxes and fees however. A 5 day rental for me is CYP 40 with the special, CYP 80.50 w/o (CYP 13/day + 15% VAT + CYP5 airport fee).

I suspect that there may be a refueling charge, possibly mandatory, though.

Another warning on rental cars in Larnaca, though really anywhere. When I went to sign the rental agreement, I had already told them that I didn't want the optional coverages like CDW etc. Well, the rental clerk said, "initial here" and made dash marks in three places - one of which (for CDW) was under the "accept" column. I just initialled the "decline" column for all three without pointing it out to him - I was too tired to argue, and knew he would just say it was a mistake anyway.

Be sure to carefully read the front page of the rental contract before you sign it.

Because of the CY schedule change, my family and I now go LCA-FCO-MXP. We have found an unreal fare of 52Euro all-in from MXP back to FCO on the same day on blu-express.com. Here's my dilemma.

I know the answer is no. I am hoping someone might change my mind. If, at FCO, all 4 of us check in for our AZ flight to MXP, but only one (me) goes, is there any way to preserve the remainder of our trip (back to YYZ)? I am more than willing to do it. It seems harsh to take the wife and kids all the way to MXP, only to cool our heels for 6 hours, before flying back to FCO. I would prefer for them to proceed to the hotel in Rome, out ultimate destination that day, at a reasonable time noonish) than to have to drag them along.

Any ideas?

Because of the CY schedule change, my family and I now go LCA-FCO-MXP. We have found an unreal fare of 52Euro all-in from MXP back to FCO on the same day on blu-express.com. Here's my dilemma.

I know the answer is no. I am hoping someone might change my mind. If, at FCO, all 4 of us check in for our AZ flight to MXP, but only one (me) goes, is there any way to preserve the remainder of our trip (back to YYZ)? I am more than willing to do it. It seems harsh to take the wife and kids all the way to MXP, only to cool our heels for 6 hours, before flying back to FCO. I would prefer for them to proceed to the hotel in Rome, out ultimate destination that day, at a reasonable time noonish) than to have to drag them along.

Any ideas?

That seems like asking for trouble. The only way I'd try that is if some AZ employee somewhere in Italy made the changes officially by printing out the update record along with a properly reissued ticket.

Because of the CY schedule change, my family and I now go LCA-FCO-MXP. We have found an unreal fare of 52Euro all-in from MXP back to FCO on the same day on blu-express.com. Here's my dilemma.

I know the answer is no. I am hoping someone might change my mind. If, at FCO, all 4 of us check in for our AZ flight to MXP, but only one (me) goes, is there any way to preserve the remainder of our trip (back to YYZ)? I am more than willing to do it. It seems harsh to take the wife and kids all the way to MXP, only to cool our heels for 6 hours, before flying back to FCO. I would prefer for them to proceed to the hotel in Rome, out ultimate destination that day, at a reasonable time noonish) than to have to drag them along.

Any ideas?

Yes. Don't try that.

Since the thread is dying down, here is the posting totals (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&threadid=544622). :p

not sure i understand what the schedule change has to do with it
are you saying that because you were scheduled LCA-MXP and now its changed to LCA-FCO-MXP, you want to goto FCO and just skip MXP?

if so, just ask nicolo, tell him cause of the schedule change u dont want the extra flight and he will change it for you since it was the airlines "fault"

this way u can avoud the 52 eur far

r

Because of the CY schedule change, my family and I now go LCA-FCO-MXP. We have found an unreal fare of 52Euro all-in from MXP back to FCO on the same day on blu-express.com. Here's my dilemma.

I know the answer is no. I am hoping someone might change my mind. If, at FCO, all 4 of us check in for our AZ flight to MXP, but only one (me) goes, is there any way to preserve the remainder of our trip (back to YYZ)? I am more than willing to do it. It seems harsh to take the wife and kids all the way to MXP, only to cool our heels for 6 hours, before flying back to FCO. I would prefer for them to proceed to the hotel in Rome, out ultimate destination that day, at a reasonable time noonish) than to have to drag them along.

Any ideas?

not sure i understand what the schedule change has to do with it
are you saying that because you were scheduled LCA-MXP and now its changed to LCA-FCO-MXP, you want to goto FCO and just skip MXP?

if so, just ask nicolo, tell him cause of the schedule change u dont want the extra flight and he will change it for you since it was the airlines "fault"

this way u can avoud the 52 eur far

r

I tried, but he indicated that it would prompt a refare. I had already made my allowed change, and suggested that with the schedule change, I would prefer to use the FCO-MXP flight to connect to my flight home. He had always been very accommodating, but this time apologized that he couldn't help.

It's not the 52 euro fare, it's the extremely long day it will make for the wife and kids.

I had my ticket refunded in early September because I was not able to use it. But since then, no refund has been made to my credit card!!

On our planned New Year's trip the LCA - FCO flight no longer exists. A quick call to Nicolo got us on LCA - MXP, connecting to EWR (originally planned on JFK, but EWR is just as good for us).

As an added bonus, we got moved from Y to D on the LCA-MXP trip, which we didn't have on our original one (possibly b/c of a/c config, possibly b/c that's what was booked - I don't really remember). I know that it doesn't matter too much, but I figure the D check-in line should help somewhat, right??

Anyways, looking forward to celebrating the New Year on an island in the Mediterranean, instead of one on the Hudson river :cool:

My refund was processed 10/27, and I received the credit back on my card on 11/1. ^

On our planned New Year's trip the LCA - FCO flight no longer exists. A quick call to Nicolo got us on LCA - MXP, connecting to EWR (originally planned on JFK, but EWR is just as good for us).

As an added bonus, we got moved from Y to D on the LCA-MXP trip, which we didn't have on our original one (possibly b/c of a/c config, possibly b/c that's what was booked - I don't really remember). I know that it doesn't matter too much, but I figure the D check-in line should help somewhat, right??

Anyways, looking forward to celebrating the New Year on an island in the Mediterranean, instead of one on the Hudson river :cool:

I will be there in mid-Jan. Does anyone know of good winter activities in Cyprus?

I will be there in mid-Jan. Does anyone know of good winter activities in Cyprus?

I don't know (yet), but the Cyprus ad campaign says: "Cyprus, an island for all seasons." :D

I was told by Nicolo to come on this site to find information regarding to refuding the tickets from Orbitz. Suppositly there's a return form here someone. Can someone kindly guide me to correct post to find this information? I don't know if I can go through this many pages to find it.

Thank you!

I was told by Nicolo to come on this site to find information regarding to refuding the tickets from Orbitz. Suppositly there's a return form here someone. Can someone kindly guide me to correct post to find this information? I don't know if I can go through this many pages to find it.

Thank you!

Everything you need is on the first page of this thread, in particular post #4. GUWonder has done a great job in keeping all the current information up to date in this post. In particular the November 1 update should help you out. Welcome to flyertalk :)

and made a reservation at the Cenacolo Vinciano website? If so, could you post your experiences to this thread?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=625013

If there's anyone still going and wants to go to the north side, www.allbooks4less.com has a cheap guidebook for the north side (about 20 left on Sunday evening). I've ordered it (the site's reputable) and will report back on how good it is.

I had my ticket refunded in early September because I was not able to use it. But since then, no refund has been made to my credit card!!

I'm still waiting for my refund too...been over a month and no sign of it for me. At least the guy in post #8400 has seen his....so someone is getting their money back--so it gives up hope of actually seeing it. :eek:

If there's anyone still going and wants to go to the north side, www.allbooks4less.com has a cheap guidebook for the north side (about 20 left on Sunday evening). I've ordered it (the site's reputable) and will report back on how good it is.

I own the 5th edition (http://www.amazon.com/North-Cyprus-5th-Bradt-Travel/dp/1841621471/sr=1-4/qid=1163561379/ref=sr_1_4/002-3511068-2856055?ie=UTF8&s=books) that came out this year (looks like allbooks4less is selling the 4th edition?). As I feel about all Bradt guides, it is very good. And considering the changing nature of North Cyprus, I'd very much suggest getting the latest version.

Mrs OhCanada and I just returned from our second LCA trip. On this one, we were pleased to meet Seat13F_AC_CRJ amd his wife and daughter, as well as alamedaguy and his wife. There were a couple of other people on the AZ flights that we thought were on the same deal, but we did not have a chance to speak to them.

A couple of observations:

- unlike our trip in June, the biz cabin on the MXP-YYZ routes was packed both ways. Those of you trying to change flights for winter travel may be having trouble finding space for this reason.

- the experience of FTers trying to get the MXP-LCA legs upgraded continues to be mixed. Seat13F_AC_CRJ managed to score an upgrade both ways while alamedaguy struck out both times. Be prepared to be met with a number of excuses, which will change as time goes along.

- Cyprus was already getting quite cool this past week, although apparently that was somewhat unusual. Nighttime temperatures were down to the 6 to 8 degree Celcius range. I had to buy a pair of long pants and a fleecy! :eek:

- We walked over the "border" to North Nicosia and wandered around for a couple of hours. I would really recommend doing this as the views of the "dead zone" really bring home the conflict that occurred there. The Ledra Hotel (now the UN headquarters) still is completely pockmarked with bullet holes and you can get a close look at some of the abandoned buildings.

- The guide books warn you to get an exit stamp from the Greek Cypriot side before leaving to make sure you get back in, but we did not even see a checkpoint on the Greek side and had no trouble going out or returning. Apparently alamedaguy had a very different experience returning to the South in a rental car, which was thoroughly searched.

- The Turkish side gives you a free "visa", which is a separate piece of paper that they stamp going each way - there is no stamp put into your passport. There is no need to get Turkish lira unless you want it as a souvenir - pretty much everyone takes Cypriot pounds, although the exchange rate is somewhat variable.

- If you do the walking tour on the map helpfully provided at the Turkish border, make sure you go into the farmers market and try the fresh Turkish Delight at the stall on the south end. Amazing flavours, very fresh and cheap.

- Pafos is much more pleasant off-season, as you avoid the crushing Brit tourist hoards. If you are into antiquities, make sure you do more than just the ruins at the harbour and the Tomb of the Kings. There are some amazing ruins in the town itself, some just recently excavated. The early Christian catacombs are especially interesting.

Just came across an interesting article on the many beneefits of living i cyprus, and touches on the real estate market as well...

http://www.nytimes.com/iht/2006/11/15/realestate/15GH-cyprus.html

Mrs OhCanada and I just returned from our second LCA trip. On this one, we were pleased to meet Seat13F_AC_CRJ amd his wife and daughter, as well as alamedaguy and his wife. There were a couple of other people on the AZ flights that we thought were on the same deal, but we did not have a chance to speak to them.

Hey ohcanada! We were happy to meet you as well. I'm sure your drive home last night from YYZ was easier than ours. I did well for the first 3.5hrs or so, but hit the wall less than an hour from YOW and had to pull over twice within 15 mins to wake up.

One small clarification to your observations, we did not get upgraded MXP-LCA as the flight was an all-economy configuration. The LCA-MXP upgrade was relatively easy. I asked at C/I and got it. I had tried with Cyprus Air by telephone the day before and was told they couldn't do anything for anyone holding tickets on AZ stock.
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13F

I have heard that non-EU citizens i.e. Americans have have problems if crossing into the North (or returning to the South). Is this true?

Other than having to open our bags returning to the south, we had no problems in either direction. We crossed in each direction in a rental car and again on foot. Upon entry the folks in north Cyprus were happy to stamp our actual passports when asked, but we forgot to ask when leaving.

My partner and I will be starting our trip this Saturday, November 18. We're going to spend two nights in Rome and then on to Cyprus from Tuesday through Friday. We'll overnight in Milan and fly back to Toronto on Saturday the 25th. I will try to remember to put a Flyertalk tag on my luggage, so hopefully we'll be easy to pick out. Thanks to everyone who has posted so far. I'll try to add to the trip reports when we get back.

I have heard that non-EU citizens i.e. Americans have have problems if crossing into the North (or returning to the South). Is this true?

No problems for Americans.

My partner and I will be starting our trip this Saturday, November 18. We're going to spend two nights in Rome and then on to Cyprus from Tuesday through Friday. We'll overnight in Milan and fly back to Toronto on Saturday the 25th. I will try to remember to put a Flyertalk tag on my luggage, so hopefully we'll be easy to pick out. Thanks to everyone who has posted so far. I'll try to add to the trip reports when we get back.

Enjoy the trip. Look forward to hearing about your trip to "Cyprus: the island for all seasons". :D

No problems for Americans. We had no problems either (also Americans). Only problem is no photos at the border. :(

We had no problems either (also Americans). Only problem is no photos at the border. :(
That was the other thing I meant to post. Despite the many signs telling you not to take photographs in and around the border zone, we saw many people doing so with no apparent problem, although we were too chicken to try. One guy was hanging out the window of a car travelling north towards the Turkish checkpoint taking movies of the Ledra Hotel area with a video camera! :p

I am one of the few lucky ones that was able to cut out the Cyprus legs on this ticket. I'll be in Rome for two nights and Milan for one. Does anyone have any good suggestions for decent, budget (50-70 Euro) hotels in these cities?

My suggestion, if you are only to be in Rome for two nights, would be to stay somewhere around the Termini. That way, you need only take the express each way and walk a couple of blocks to a hotel.Trip Advisor will show many places with decent ratings in your price range.

I am one of the few lucky ones that was able to cut out the Cyprus legs on this ticket. I'll be in Rome for two nights and Milan for one. Does anyone have any good suggestions for decent, budget (50-70 Euro) hotels in these cities?
Why is this lucky? The fare allowed for a stopover. So you don't want to add another location to visit?

The fare allowed for a stopover. So you don't want to add another location to visit?

I don't think they'll let you add a stopover at this point (other than a transit point of FCO or MXP).

Why is this lucky? The fare allowed for a stopover. So you don't want to add another location to visit?

The fare didn't allow dropping the Italy-Cyprus-Italy segments, and so dropping the Italy-Cyprus-Italy segments could be considered lucky for those who didn't want to visit Cyprus on a given trip.

Curious to see if anyone had this experience. Would be good to know what to expect before I call Nicolo.


For anyone who missed a flight on this fare, was Nicolo able to rebook you on a different date, or was your only option to accept a refund?

just in case anyone's still reading this: for anyone who wasn't asleep in near-full recline flying back from italy, did you by any chance see an italian music video on the IFE in which some guy was dressed up as a superhero and flying around a fake cityscape? it was kind of catchy and I can't find any info on it. :p

Ok, I am trying to figure out excatly how many EQM's and Redeemable miles I will get for this trip. I am a Continental Plat until Feb 2007 and will be travelling Feb 1-5. 2007 YYZ-MXP-FCO-MXP-YYZ which is a little over 9,000 miles RT.

So let me see if I have my calculations correct:

CO OnePass members receive 150% EQM's and redeemable miles on AZ flights paid in J, so 9,000 x 150% = 23,100 EQM's and redeemable miles to my OnePass account, cotrrect? The CO website also says that Platinum members get their 125% mileage bonus as well. 9000 x 125% = 20,250 miles on top of the 23,100. Is that correct?

You would think I would now this info after so much travel but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

FT Community, need your advice on this. Got a call from Orbitz this morning that my flight YYZ-MXP next week is cancelled due to schedule changes with AZ. I called Orbitz and they say I have to call AZ, gave me Niccolo's number.

I called AZ and they seemed super busy. I was told flights get cancelled sometimes and given me 3 options:
- Fly day before in J (can't because my ticket arrives same day as original departure)
- Fly day after in Y (waitlist for J)
- Request refund

I have a ticket next week to YYZ and do not wish to spend 2-3 days doing nothing there. I felt I am being displaced upon convenience of AZ. Sure we got a good price for these tickets but we are still paying customers and if you cancel a flight, isn't there EU regulations or Contracts of Carriage that apply to get you reprotected same day?

I was looking forward to this trip, but now I am furious over this as I am getting nowhere. Any advice from others who have gone through some of this or are planning to fly next week and got cancelled?

So let me see if I have my calculations correct:

CO OnePass members receive 150% EQM's and redeemable miles on AZ flights paid in J, so 9,000 x 150% = 23,100 EQM's and redeemable miles to my OnePass account, cotrrect? The CO website also says that Platinum members get their 125% mileage bonus as well. 9000 x 125% = 20,250 miles on top of the 23,100. Is that correct?



Were you one of those arts people who just loathed math? Your calculations above would be correct if the multipliers were 250% and 225% (and even the former result would be wrong though some schools will give you partial credit for the right concept). But otherwise, no. Try 9,000 or so miles less for both.

Were you one of those arts people who just loathed math? Your calculations above would be correct if the multipliers were 250% and 225% (and even the former result would be wrong though some schools will give you partial credit for the right concept). But otherwise, no. Try 9,000 or so miles less for both.


Wow, you hit the nail on the head! I stayed as far away from a math classroom as I could!! But I guess now that is blata