Am waiting in my YYZ Hotel.. good thing I got the late 4 PM Checkout cause my flight from YYZ-FCO has been delayed from 4:35 to 8:10 PM!! Hopefully with the 5 hour layover in FCO, I can catch my flight to LCA.

God bless I am not flying out until tomorrow... but if you feel bored, let me know, maybe we can meet for a drink or so (sent you an e-mail).

Flying into YYZ from MXP yesterday, had a (albeit shorter) delay, too... the projector in Business Class was broken, it took them 6 mechanics and about an hour to replace it (but even the new one was not working properly either :rolleyes: ).

Tryed to credit my FCO-LCA flight to my NWA account and it shows up like this
31AUG2006 AZ 7700 CY 0317 C/D FCO - LCA N

Does this mean I will not be able to get credit on NW? Should I try to send in my boarding pass to NW or should I just go with AZ mileage account.

Tryed to credit my FCO-LCA flight to my NWA account and it shows up like this
31AUG2006 AZ 7700 CY 0317 C/D FCO - LCA N

Does this mean I will not be able to get credit on NW? Should I try to send in my boarding pass to NW or should I just go with AZ mileage account.

I recall MRP Alert got the LCA segment, but you're not really supposed to.

Can anyone who has gotten their miles to post, please verify the miles and the COS on NWA World Perks. It looks like I may be a handful of miles from maintaining my Elite; gotta plan for a possible MR if I'm short after this trip.

Can anyone who has gotten their miles to post, please verify the miles and the COS on NWA World Perks. It looks like I may be a handful of miles from maintaining my Elite; gotta plan for a possible MR if I'm short after this trip.

Here is what I got for YYZ-MXP, I still have "Q" (processing) for the return and did not get anything for LCA legs:
-----------------------------------------------EQM---Seg---Banked Miles
20AUG2006-- AZ 0653 AZ 0653 C/D YYZ-MXP----4,119--1-----4,119
--------------50% Class Bonus------------------2,060--------2,060
--------------125% Platinum Elite Bonus----------------------5,149

I recall MRP Alert got the LCA segment, but you're not really supposed to.

Can anyone who has gotten their miles to post, please verify the miles and the COS on NWA World Perks. It looks like I may be a handful of miles from maintaining my Elite; gotta plan for a possible MR if I'm short after this trip.
For my YYZ-FCO leg:
I got (4,414 EQM + 2,060 COS bonus) for a total of 6,474 EQMs + 5,149 Plat Elite bonus (non-EQM).

I was wondering does anyone know the phone number or email address for AZ regarding mileage credit, I took the trip in July and only my outbound credit has shown up to my AZ account. Cheers

This maybe kinda off topic....but would anyone who lives in or near YYZ be willing to let us park our car at their place for a couple of weeks while we are in Italy and LCA? We wanted to fly up from PIT, but it would cost 50,000 miles for both of us and we really have a lot better uses to put those miles to.

The only reason we are asking is because parking at YYZ is pretty expensive and both of us are students. Alternatively if anyone else knows of somewhere affordable to park in Toronto it would be really helpful if you could post that info here.

We will certainly be happy to gift an obliging FTer some Kentucky bourbon or some nice souveniers from Italy if they have a parking space.

Thanks very much :-:


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Just arrived in LCA.. due to the delay, my baggage did not arrive with me. Also, due to the heightened security rules, I dont even have basic toiletries with me.. The officials at LCA say that my baggage is in FCO and will arrive tomorrow. But they were vague about what rights I have.. one person said that I have to submit receipts, etc but I thought they had to give some amount outright..

This maybe kinda off topic....but would anyone who lives in or near YYZ be willing to let us park our car at their place for a couple of weeks while we are in Italy and LCA? .....

.....Alternatively if anyone else knows of somewhere affordable to park in Toronto it would be really helpful if you could post that info here.

Why not do a hotel night and park free deal? Since you are driving up from Pittsburgh there's a good chance you could use a hotel either at the beginning or at the end. Looks like there are about 5 hotels that definately have a program. Quality Inn is available for $77 including up to 2 weeks of free parking. I, personally, would rather have a relaxing overnight hotel stay before/after that flight rather than having to be in the car immediately before/afterward.

https://stay123.com/parkfly.php?airportid=YYZ&cho=Airport&tid=own

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Why not do a hotel night and park free deal? Since you are driving up from Pittsburgh there's a good chance you could use a hotel either at the beginning or at the end. Looks like there are about 5 hotels that definately have a program. Quality Inn is available for $77 including up to 2 weeks of free parking. I, personally, would rather have a relaxing overnight hotel stay before/after that flight rather than having to be in the car immediately before/afterward.

https://stay123.com/parkfly.php?airportid=YYZ&cho=Airport&tid=own


Thanks for the advise. We actually need about 3 weeks of parking and the hotels don't seem to allow that. or do they?

The cost is still pretty high too; I guess we would pay it if we had to; but if we can find an alternative that would be great.

But they were vague about what rights I have.. one person said that I have to submit receipts, etc but I thought they had to give some amount outright..There is no actual requirement for the airline to provide any advance payments (although some do). The maximum you can claim is approx. 1400 USD per person, but that's in theory, and requires written proof to support the claim.

There is no actual requirement for the airline to provide any advance payments (although some do). The maximum you can claim is approx. 1400 USD per person, but that's in theory, and requires written proof to support the claim.

And that assumes that the luggage is permanently lost. I think, the poster was talking about some emergency expenses for toothpaste, underwear, and the like. It's usually some $25 per day, to be reimbursed after you sent in your receipts.

And that assumes that the luggage is permanently lost. I think, the poster was talking about some emergency expenses for toothpaste, underwear, and the like.No, the limit is exactly the same for lost, damaged, or delayed baggage.

It's usually some $25 per day, to be reimbursed after you sent in your receipts.That's what airlines want you to beleive -- and, obviously, it works :).

Just realized, because I had a voice mail on my cell (after over a month in Europe!) that there has been some schedule changes at CY!damn. Now I cannot do what I wanted to with my layover.Would Nicolo allow other changes?there's no way I'll spend Halloween's night at LCA's airport!I was supposed to fly LIN-FCO-LCA but there's no FCO flight that day,there's a MXP-LCA though,that was not there before...any idea?thanks

Just realized, because I had a voice mail on my cell (after over a month in Europe!) that there has been some schedule changes at CY!damn. Now I cannot do what I wanted to with my layover.Would Nicolo allow other changes?there's no way I'll spend Halloween's night at LCA's airport!I was supposed to fly LIN-FCO-LCA but there's no FCO flight that day,there's a MXP-LCA though,that was not there before...any idea?thanks
If there is a schedule change which does not allow you to fly the segments you have changed to, you should be able to call Nicolo and explain the situation and have him put you on the direct MXP-LCA flight. At least one would think . . .

If there is a schedule change which does not allow you to fly the segments you have changed to, you should be able to call Nicolo and explain the situation and have him put you on the direct MXP-LCA flight. At least one would think . . .

I hope that's the case...let's see what's going to happen.Is CY going to have another schedule change?or did AZ push CY to change schedule so that some people who had already made the one-time change will be forced to cancel?! :eek:

I hope that's the case...let's see what's going to happen.Is CY going to have another schedule change?or did AZ push CY to change schedule so that some people who had already made the one-time change will be forced to cancel?! :eek:

that's a bit paranoid, no?
:rolleyes:

schedule changes happen. i hope you're able to make changes, but if you aren't, it won't be the end of the world.

Just arrived in LCA.. due to the delay, my baggage did not arrive with me. Also, due to the heightened security rules, I dont even have basic toiletries with me.. The officials at LCA say that my baggage is in FCO and will arrive tomorrow. But they were vague about what rights I have.. one person said that I have to submit receipts, etc but I thought they had to give some amount outright..
EU Passenger Bill of Rights (here) (http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/rules/rights/doc/2005_01_19_apr_poster_en.pdf) covers compensation for "damages caused by... or delay of your baggage on a flight by an EU airline..." But this does seem to be after the fact. Save receipts!

or did AZ push CY to change schedule so that some people who had already made the one-time change will be forced to cancel?! :eek:

Ah, the consipiracy theory... it would also explain why AZ has so many late flights btwn YYZ and MXP. Certainly prevents others from connecting, especially those who are trying to do back to backs... :D

Ah, the consipiracy theory... it would also explain why AZ has so many late flights btwn YYZ and MXP. Certainly prevents others from connecting, especially those who are trying to do back to backs... :D


Conspiracy theories keep threads afloat! :D

I'm just....soliciting! :D :D :D

If there is a schedule change which does not allow you to fly the segments you have changed to, you should be able to call Nicolo and explain the situation and have him put you on the direct MXP-LCA flight. At least one would think . . .

Just got off the phone with Nicolo. My situation was just the opposite. CY dropped my return from LCA to MXP on the day reserved (Tuesday). Next flight wasn't until Saturday. We were "protected" on an LCA-FCO-MXP. I asked if he could split the connection such that we would do LCA-FCO on the same day, but do FCO-MXP on the day before we returned to YYZ. He said it was a no-go, that it would constitute a date change. He is more than willing to work with us, just staying within the rules.

Just got off the phone with Nicolo. My situation was just the opposite. CY dropped my return from LCA to MXP on the day reserved (Tuesday). Next flight wasn't until Saturday. We were "protected" on an LCA-FCO-MXP. I asked if he could split the connection such that we would do LCA-FCO on the same day, but do FCO-MXP on the day before we returned to YYZ. He said it was a no-go, that it would constitute a date change. He is more than willing to work with us, just staying within the rules.


All my returning flights were cancelled...lol. I'm glad I just checked on that before I booked my hotels and flight to YYZ.

USA Today did an article on this fare. I dont know if this had already been posted but I guess this fare was a huge deal!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/04/cyprus.html

This maybe kinda off topic....but would anyone who lives in or near YYZ be willing to let us park our car at their place for a couple of weeks while we are in Italy and LCA? We wanted to fly up from PIT, but it would cost 50,000 miles for both of us and we really have a lot better uses to put those miles to.

The only reason we are asking is because parking at YYZ is pretty expensive and both of us are students. Alternatively if anyone else knows of somewhere affordable to park in Toronto it would be really helpful if you could post that info here.

We will certainly be happy to gift an obliging FTer some Kentucky bourbon or some nice souveniers from Italy if they have a parking space.

Thanks very much :-:


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A gentle bump in this monster thread :-:

Can the dates be changed for any unused tickets past the travel date listed on the ticket (assuming no changes were made after the tickets were issued)?

Anyone know an answer to this?

I have tickets for travel next month, but I won't be able to go till sometime in Dec. I won't know my new travel date till end of November. So, if I don't travel next month & don't make any change to the travel dates now --- can I make changes later in November?

Thanks in advance.

Anyone know an answer to this?

I have tickets for travel next month, but I won't be able to go till sometime in Dec. I won't know my new travel date till end of November. So, if I don't travel next month & don't make any change to the travel dates now --- can I make changes later in November?

Thanks in advance.

You can change the dates after you know for sure, but it is advisable to contact Nicolo to cancel/remove the original dates. Doing so will not cause any issues, and just let him know that you will call him when you are ready w/ your new dates.

I had him clear my December flight, and I am trying to plan for 2007 flight (to be completed by beginning of April).

A gentle bump in this monster thread :-:

By the time you park at someone's house and take a taxi to/from the airport (I assume you would not ask them to meet you twice to take your car from you and bring it back to you), you would be better off just checking into a hotel for a night that allows up to 2 weeks free parking. They exist. Try places like Comfort Inn (about CAD$109 with up to 3 weeks parking), Sheraton (about the same price for about the same length of parking), or Doubletree (maybe a bit cheaper but maybe only 14 nights of parking).

I considered trying something similar to what you are asking - finding a friend in Toronto to leave my car at, but decided to go the hotel route instead. You don't even need to stay at the hotel if you don't want to arrive a day early - check in the day you arrive by car and fly out the same day. They will automatically check you out the following day by noon (I am planning on using my room due to my schedule and what I am doing before/after my Cyprus trip).

By the time you park at someone's house and take a taxi to/from the airport (I assume you would not ask them to meet you twice to take your car from you and bring it back to you), you would be better off just checking into a hotel for a night that allows up to 2 weeks free parking. They exist. Try places like Comfort Inn (about CAD$109 with up to 3 weeks parking), Sheraton (about the same price for about the same length of parking), or Doubletree (maybe a bit cheaper but maybe only 14 nights of parking).

I considered trying something similar to what you are asking - finding a friend in Toronto to leave my car at, but decided to go the hotel route instead. You don't even need to stay at the hotel if you don't want to arrive a day early - check in the day you arrive by car and fly out the same day. They will automatically check you out the following day by noon (I am planning on using my room due to my schedule and what I am doing before/after my Cyprus trip).

Thanks for the advice. I suppose that we will have to book a hotel if we have no other choice, but those prices would still put a pretty big dent in our savings and we were still really hoping that we could park at an obliging FTers home if anyone was willing to give us a parking space. We certainly wouldn't ask for any rides to the airport and would be happy using public transportation or using a taxi to the nearest public transportation. If anyone knows of anything, please let me know. Thanks.

EU Passenger Bill of Rights (here) (http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/rules/rights/doc/2005_01_19_apr_poster_en.pdf) covers compensation for "damages caused by... or delay of your baggage on a flight by an EU airline..." But this does seem to be after the fact. Save receipts!

Update: My luggage arrived the very next morning via Athens and delivered to my hotel. I also passed my the airport and they paid me whatever I spent on shaving, etc. It was only 27 pounds ($60) but they gave it w/o a problem. So far the trip is going good.. Agia Napa rocks!

Thanks for the advice. I suppose that we will have to book a hotel if we have no other choice, but those prices would still put a pretty big dent in our savings and we were still really hoping that we could park at an obliging FTers home if anyone was willing to give us a parking space. We certainly wouldn't ask for any rides to the airport and would be happy using public transportation or using a taxi to the nearest public transportation. If anyone knows of anything, please let me know. Thanks.

Why not trying bidding on priceline. You could probably get a room for $60 or 70 and then just leave your car. If you bid on a place near the airport you can use their shuttle to get to the airport, saving the cab fare. I do it af DfW all the time, often times less than than $60, good luck.

Why not trying bidding on priceline. You could probably get a room for $60 or 70 and then just leave your car. If you bid on a place near the airport you can use their shuttle to get to the airport, saving the cab fare. I do it af DfW all the time, often times less than than $60, good luck.

Thanks, we thought about that, but we need 3 weeks and a day parking and we can't be sure to get that from priceline. Unless any YYZ FTers have any ideas (or of course an empty parking spot :) ) ?

Thanks, we thought about that, but we need 3 weeks and a day parking and we can't be sure to get that from priceline. Unless any YYZ FTers have any ideas (or of course an empty parking spot :) ) ?

Here's $25.95/wk + tax (http://www.directflightparking.com/promo_main.htm) which seems pretty cheap to me. And I'm sure there is better...that was just the first hit on google. Cyprus ain't cheap so brace yourself there.

And here's the Toronto forum (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=508) here on FT.

USA Today did an article on this fare. I dont know if this had already been posted but I guess this fare was a huge deal!

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2006/04/cyprus.html


It wasn't that huge of a deal. I do not think any FTers took advantage of this fare.:p

Cyprus ain't cheap so brace yourself there.
No kidding. I hope you guys (that need cheap parking) have secured lodging (or are at least aware of the costs) and know about rental car prices, food, etc. It's not the most expensive place ever, but the USD is not strong there at all, and the prices are typically geared toward the British Pound, which the USD is not strong against either.

Why not trying bidding on priceline. You could probably get a room for $60 or 70 and then just leave your car. If you bid on a place near the airport you can use their shuttle to get to the airport, saving the cab fare. I do it af DfW all the time, often times less than than $60, good luck.

The poster martian is correct about using priceline and not being guaranteed a hotel that allows you to leave your car there during a trip, or even a hotel that has an airport shuttle. I would definitely do my homework before bidding on priceline if your main intent is to leave your car there.

I use priceline a fair amount for hotels near MSP airport but there are now enough hotels in all the zones near the airport that either don't allow you to leave your car or don't have an airport shuttle that if it my main intent to nab a hotel to reduce my car parking costs, I am in an iffy situation. I have found other alternatives as a fallback.

Here's $25.95/wk + tax (http://www.directflightparking.com/promo_main.htm) which seems pretty cheap to me. And I'm sure there is better...that was just the first hit on google. Cyprus ain't cheap so brace yourself there.

And here's the Toronto forum (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=508) here on FT.

Thanks for the tip on the Toronto forum. I had never seen it before. It doesn't seem like too many people look at it, but I posted anyway. Hopefully someone responds ^

That coupon, while still a bit pricey might have worked for us, but unfortunately expires in Nov (we are travelling in Dec and Jan).

We will only be in Cyprus for 2 days so thanks for the heads up; we booked this flight to go home and spend the holidays with my family in the UK thinking it would be a cheap way to get there (via a Ryanair flight).

Thanks again. And of course again anyone with a parking spot in YYZ or any other ideas on how to park for cheap then please post or message me.

Cheers :-:

Update: My luggage arrived the very next morning via Athens and delivered to my hotel. I also passed my the airport and they paid me whatever I spent on shaving, etc. It was only 27 pounds ($60) but they gave it w/o a problem. So far the trip is going good.. Agia Napa rocks!
I'm glad it worked out so well for you! ^ ^
Enjoy the rest of the trip!

Just came back from my 3rd LCA trip. Here are a few specific travel comments.

It was the same/first/(only?) 764 (Amerigo Vespucci) used for the YYZ-FCO flights. Seats are very nice. Row 1 is best. AZ could actually configure the cabin to give a bit more space to all 4 rows. The digiplayers have pretty crappy movies and some of them are old. Single pole headphone jack for this vs. double jack for the audio programming (bring your own for the latter).

FCO-LCA flight was delayed by about 3 hours (apparently there was a change to the outbound a/c as a result). Asked the transfer desk about the delay and they volunteered meal/drink vouchers (entitled to by EU laws for tha length of flight delayed over 2 hours) which provided a salad, 1st course (pasta), main course, salad, dessert and a soft drink.

Food ex FCO on AZ is much better than ex MXP. Seems AZ is running low out of limoncello. They ran out of it ex YYZ and none available ex FCO. AZ has also run out of the sudtirol Mueller Thurgau. Catering and menus for both MXP and FCO flights are identical though menus have different codes for FCo and MXP.

Survey asking about the seats was passed out for the FCO-YYZ leg. We'll see if any Mille Miglia miles are awarded (they asked for account number).

Rome duty-free pricing seems to have changed. I swear that prices there in June had two prices (one for flights to outside the EU and one for within). Now there's only one price.

If anyone knows of anything, please let me know. Thanks. Martian -- have you looked into taking train or bus into Toronto? Or flying to buf and taking one from there?

Just a thought, if money is scarcer than time.

Martian -- have you looked into taking train or bus into Toronto? Or flying to buf and taking one from there?

Just a thought, if money is scarcer than time.


Yeah, both are surprisingly expensive

Yeah, both are surprisingly expensive

From Pittsburgh? Using the code "urban" you can get a round trip ticket to Toronto for $70. It's cheaper than the gas you'd use for one person and it is pretty reasonable for two.

From Pittsburgh? Using the code "urban" you can get a round trip ticket to Toronto for $70. It's cheaper than the gas you'd use for one person and it is pretty reasonable for two.


Thanks for the code. That is the best option available to us so far I guess. I am just a little scared about Greyhound because a few times in the past they have refused us transportation on full buses: saying something like "we sell reservations not seats." So if the bus is full when it gets to your city you are out of luck and have to wait for the next bus. No bump vouchers either :td: So I guess we would have to plan on getting there a couple of days before the flight. But of course the Greyhound is the best option we have so far, so I'll stop dissing the hound :D

But again, if anyone in the YYZ area reads this and has a spare parking spot for a few weeks then please by all means let me know.

Thanks a million :-:

I got my ticket back today from Nicolo :D

I am now on the N/S YYZ-MXP Nov 30, Dec 3 off to LCA,
and back Dec 11/12
Flying CO to YYZ, and then LCA-TLV on LY (DL reward)

Vincom's ticket was refunded :(

We leave EWR for YYZ tomorrow morning to catch our flight to FCO tomorrow afternoon (EWR-YYZ-FCO-LCA-MXP-YYZ-EWR). I have never had more butterflies before a flight before. Is it just me? :o Must be all the planning, reading this forum, and the nature of this ticket that is doing this to me....
my wife, the writer, is planning a detailed trip report when we return 9/28.
Stop by 2h,2k and say 'hi' if you are flying YYZ-FCO tomorrow.
Thanks to all especially Alitalia and Nicolo

I leave tomorrow-
GSP-DTW-YYZ-MXP-LCA-FCO-MXP-YYZ-DTW-GSP.

I hope it is everyhing I hoped for since all the excitement and hype for this fare.

We leave EWR for YYZ tomorrow morning to catch our flight to FCO tomorrow afternoon (EWR-YYZ-FCO-LCA-MXP-YYZ-EWR).

Do yourself a favor, and ask the FA's to test your empower/digEplayers as soon as you get onboard. The empower in both of our seats (I believe they were 2JK on the 764) was out of commission, and since that's what the digEplayers plug into, we didn't have IFE for the whole flight!

Do yourself a favor, and ask the FA's to test your empower/digEplayers as soon as you get onboard. The empower in both of our seats (I believe they were 2JK on the 764) was out of commission, and since that's what the digEplayers plug into, we didn't have IFE for the whole flight!

Those two seats had the empower ports fixed since (at least operational on 11 September). Same a/c (Amerigo Vespucci).

Hi All,

Question for those who have traveled both the FCO and YYZ flights:
I'm a big fan of looking out the window and would like to know on what side of the aircraft should I sit when heading YYZ-FCO, and MXP-YYZ. Also, MXP-LCA, vice versa; I'm a sucker for day dreaming while looking out the window :p

Any advice on views, and also seat locations would be greatly appreciated!

I also recall seeing someone posting one particular side of D class (ex-MXP) did not recline, though I am not sure if that still is the case.

Thanks!

Those two seats had the empower ports fixed since (at least operational on 11 September). Same a/c (Amerigo Vespucci).
YVR Cockroach - Don't tell me you took this run a 4th time already?!?

YVR Cockroach - Don't tell me you took this run a 4th time already?!?

Not until Febuary. Flew FCO-YYZ on Monday.


Question for those who have traveled both the FCO and YYZ flights:
I'm a big fan of looking out the window and would like to know on what side of the aircraft should I sit when heading YYZ-FCO, and MXP-YYZ. Also, MXP-LCA, vice versa; I'm a sucker for day dreaming while looking out the window


Doesn't really matter.

Just a note, the desserts ex-FCO are very different than ex-YYZ or ex-MXP (cake/pastries).

On the FCO-YYZ trip, a selection of 3 gelatos/sorbets were available. Walnut gelato in a walnut (real shell), strawberry sorbet sandwiched in a frozen strawberry, and a chestnut gelato in a real chestnut shell.

Just a note, the desserts ex-FCO are very different than ex-YYZ or ex-MXP (cake/pastries).

On the FCO-YYZ trip, a selection of 3 gelatos/sorbets were available. Walnut gelato in a walnut (real shell), strawberry sorbet sandwiched in a frozen strawberry, and a chestnut gelato in a real chestnut shell.
Actually, ours were just the opposite. We had cakes/pastries to FCO and we had the 3 gelatos/sorbets ex-MXP. ;)

I think they serve one set of meals/deserts across the Atlantic one way and and another set on the return trip.

Just a note, the desserts ex-FCO are very different than ex-YYZ or ex-MXP (cake/pastries).

On the FCO-YYZ trip, a selection of 3 gelatos/sorbets were available. Walnut gelato in a walnut (real shell), strawberry sorbet sandwiched in a frozen strawberry, and a chestnut gelato in a real chestnut shell.

I'll post pictures of the three gelatos, as well as other aspects of the trip (seats, meals, few lounge pics) very soon! ;)

Actually, ours were just the opposite. We had cakes/pastries to FCO and we had the 3 gelatos/sorbets ex-MXP. ;)


Must be a late summer variation then. Cakes and pastries YYZ-MXP-YYZ in late June (flew that route 2x in a week).

All the Canadian routes have the same menus, though there's a different codes ex-MXP and FCO (or to MXP and to FCO).

Did we ever figure out if forced schedule changes, which require you to reschedule your whole trip count as you one time schedule change?

Did we ever figure out if forced schedule changes, which require you to reschedule your whole trip count as you one time schedule change?
Nicolo just changed our November trip for a second time after Cyprus Air cancelled our LCA-FCO flight. Not sure if this would have counted as a change if we had not already made a change.

OK thanks. We need to reschedule the whole thing becuase of the day thing. But it just didn't seem fair to me if that counted as our change.

Another thing to watch out for is if you've already made your one change, and have been reticketed. Now you go to the airport to have your ticket stickered/reissued because of the Cyprus Air date changes. The IAD people said they had to charge me $20 per ticket (x4) to reissue since it was a second reissue, but only after she'd handed me the corrected tickets. I protested, telling her that I was not the cause for the tickets needing reissue, that I had not been informed of this charge ahead of time, that no mention had been made of it by the New York office when offering the airport reticketing as an option, and that I refused to pay it. I asked to speak to someone of authority. She returned a few minutes later with a gentleman in tow, and immediately said that "it was okay with no charge."

Another thing to watch out for is if you've already made your one change, and have been reticketed. Now you go to the airport to have your ticket stickered/reissued because of the Cyprus Air date changes. The IAD people said they had to charge me $20 per ticket (x4) to reissue since it was a second reissue, but only after she'd handed me the corrected tickets. I protested, telling her that I was not the cause for the tickets needing reissue, that I had not been informed of this charge ahead of time, that no mention had been made of it by the New York office when offering the airport reticketing as an option, and that I refused to pay it. I asked to speak to someone of authority. She returned a few minutes later with a gentleman in tow, and immediately said that "it was okay with no charge."
Well that's certainly something to look forward to. :rolleyes: Although I think I'm going to wait until closer to my travel date to go in for my second reissue, just in case there are any more airline schedule changes.

Well that's certainly something to look forward to. :rolleyes: Although I think I'm going to wait until closer to my travel date to go in for my second reissue, just in case there are any more airline schedule changes.
That was Nicolo's recommendation to me recently. Since the schedule is somewhat spotty in the fall on some of these routes there is the possibility of more changes before we travel in early November. I'm going to wait until a week or two before our travel date to go out to YYZ and get the tix stickered.

I have never had more butterflies before a flight before. Is it just me?

yes.

That was Nicolo's recommendation to me recently. Since the schedule is somewhat spotty in the fall on some of these routes there is the possibility of more changes before we travel in early November. I'm going to wait until a week or two before our travel date to go out to YYZ and get the tix stickered.

Wha about availability?For my dates it is already spotty...I guess I'll go ahead and re-ticket sooner rather than later....

Hi everyone
Quick question - is it possible to contact Nicolo by email?

Thanks & cheers

Just got back from my vacation and had a blast in Cyprus! For those of you thinking of spending only a day or so there, I would recommend reconsidering that decision.

Stayed there for about a week and had a great time. Thought Cyprus was pretty cheap actually. Kept a budget of about $100 a day (~50 pounds) excluding hotel/car and was able to stay in that w/o a problem. I stayed in Agia Napa and went out drinking and dining every night. Dinner would always consists of the full appetizers, meal and deserts along with drinks throughout and the bill would come up to about 20-24 pounds ($40-$50 which is not bad at all). They had specials at all the bars and the beaches were great. If anyone has any questions, etc.. feel free to email me.

Also, had a question for all: Does anyone have a friend that traveled on Sat 9/9? I met this guy who said he was a friend of an FT'er here and since our flight was delayed to FCO, he decided to only check in his luggage on FCO (rather than all the way to LCA). I ended up making my connection (although w/o luggage), but he did not make it as he had to retrieve his luggage, etc (for which there was not enough time). So just wondering how he ended up making out?

Our flight back into EWR was delayed by an hour which made us miss our connection to YYZ (but that was all good since we live 15 minutes from EWR : ) ) - we just told the AZ agents that we'll take care of things from here and they said it was our decision and since we never checked in for our Air Canada flight, they have no hassles if we decide to find our own way home. We of course didn’t tell them that home was only 15 minutes away :p

(They actually felt relieved as it seems that AZ and AC aren't partners so they couldnt even see my AC flight in their system. So once I told them not to worry about it, they were glad not to)

Take a look at the Trip Report thread, where I just posted some of my trip pictures (planes, seats, meals, lounges, etc).
Enjoy!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6398442#post6398442

Just got back from my vacation and had a blast in Cyprus! For those of you thinking of spending only a day or so there, I would recommend reconsidering that decision.

I agree, there is so much to do in Cyprus and my family of 6 had a great time.

Take a look at the Trip Report thread, where I just posted some of my trip pictures (planes, seats, meals, lounges, etc).

Nice pics, thanks for those. I noticed the one pic of the headphones provided. I think I mentiioned it earlier, but there's no doubt that, if you have them, you should definately bring your own headphones. This is especially true if you have the noise cancelling variety. The Alitalia business class headphones are total crap.

Those are wondeful pictures. Thanks for sharing. It made me even more excited for my trip.

Those are wondeful pictures. Thanks for sharing. It made me even more excited for my trip.

You're welcome... That was the idea - getting others excited about their trip! ^
Just go into it w/low expectations (and expect minor problems), and you'll be OK!

I think I mentiioned it earlier, but there's no doubt that, if you have them, you should definately bring your own headphones. This is especially true if you have the noise cancelling variety. The Alitalia business class headphones are total crap.

A note to those bringing their own, the audio on all 767s use the dual pole jacks. The digEplayers on the 764s use single pole.


Take a look at the Trip Report thread, where I just posted some of my trip pictures (planes, seats, meals, lounges, etc).

The CY a/c are incorrectly labelled as A319. It's an A320s (2 pairs of overwing exits vs. single pair on A319s). The CY A319s have "real" BC seats.

Another thing to watch out for is if you've already made your one change, and have been reticketed. Now you go to the airport to have your ticket stickered/reissued because of the Cyprus Air date changes. The IAD people said they had to charge me $20 per ticket (x4) to reissue since it was a second reissue, but only after she'd handed me the corrected tickets. I protested, telling her that I was not the cause for the tickets needing reissue, that I had not been informed of this charge ahead of time, that no mention had been made of it by the New York office when offering the airport reticketing as an option, and that I refused to pay it. I asked to speak to someone of authority. She returned a few minutes later with a gentleman in tow, and immediately said that "it was okay with no charge."

Yes, as I posted a few weeks ago, I was charged this for my initial (and only) reissue after I had changed the dates with Nicolo. I protested, but eventually paid because I did not have time to wait any longer at Dulles that day. I need to call Alitalia and get the charge refunded.

On the go Wednesday/Thursday/Friday this week--

AZO-DTW-YYZ - NW MILES
YYZ-MXP-FCO-LCA
NIGHT IN CYPRUS
LCA-MXP

Only reservations I have so far is for the rental car in Milan

RENTAL CAR FOR 5 DAYS - Thinking of heading to Genoa and the Mediterranean - not sure if I'll take a right or left turn once I get there.

Been to La Spezia area long time ago---quiet, relaxing, not too much hustle and bustle...

Thought about hopping a ryan air flight to Dublin (about 99 Euro all in from MXP) and get cheap tix to the Ryder Cup---but thought that was a bit over the top.

MXP-YYZ
YYZ-DTW-AZO - HOME
SPOUSE TO UK---
RELAX FOR A FEW MORE DAYS...AKA-LEAVE DISHES IN SINK FOR MORE THAN 8 HOURS!

On the go Wednesday/Thursday/Friday this week--

AZO-DTW-YYZ - NW MILES
YYZ-MXP-FCO-LCA
NIGHT IN CYPRESS
LCA-MXP



Cyprus....

Cyprus.... Hey! Don't jump to conclusions. Maybe he'll be sleeping in a treehouse.

Quick Question: Do these miles take a while to post? My first flight was 10 days ago but still no miles on my account or my gf's account (CO and NW resp). We ensured that the FF #'s were on the reservation at check in.

Quick Question: Do these miles take a while to post? My first flight was 10 days ago but still no miles on my account or my gf's account (CO and NW resp). We ensured that the FF #'s were on the reservation at check in.
It took about 10 days (7 bus. days) for the miles to fully post in my account. After about 4 bus. days, a notation appeared in my WorldPerks account stating that my flights had been received and were under "internal review", but they ended up posting just fine and as expected.

I tried to credit the miles from my June trip to my newly created Mille Miligia account but they still had not posted as of early September. The # was in the record and on all the boarding passes. I recently faxed the copies to MM so we'll see how long it takes there. Of course it's totally unsat that it has not posted into their own program, so we'll see how long it takes now.

One concern I have is that the LCA-FCO leg the boarding pass is on CY stock with the CY flight number listed, not the AZ codeshare flight number. Hope they don't stick me for that.

One concern I have is that the LCA-FCO leg the boarding pass is on CY stock with the CY flight number listed, not the AZ codeshare flight number. Hope they don't stick me for that.

I've had 3 CY-coded non-AZ stock flights posted to my AZ account. My most recent LCA-MXP hasn't posted so I may have to resort to manual posting.

Did you fax to MM in Italy? May not get a response there (I didn't). Check the other European FFP forum. I posted contact info for MM Canada who were very prompt in posting. ^

One concern I have is that the LCA-FCO leg the boarding pass is on CY stock with the CY flight number listed, not the AZ codeshare flight number. Hope they don't stick me for that.
AZ credited our LCA flights even though BPs were CY stock. Should not be an issue for MilleMiglia, although you do have to remind them about it more than once sometimes.

Quick Question: Do these miles take a while to post? My first flight was 10 days ago but still no miles on my account or my gf's account (CO and NW resp). We ensured that the FF #'s were on the reservation at check in.


my nw miles were posted in a week

I ryed to credit my FCO-LCA flight to my NWA account and it shows up like this
31AUG2006 AZ 7700 CY 0317 C/D FCO - LCA N

Does this mean I will not be able to get credit on NW? I also still have not received credit for my two transatlantic flights and I just wanted to know what I have to send in and what way is the best to send it (fax, mail) to NW?

I ryed to credit my FCO-LCA flight to my NWA account and it shows up like this
31AUG2006 AZ 7700 CY 0317 C/D FCO - LCA N

Does this mean I will not be able to get credit on NW? I also still have not received credit for my two transatlantic flights and I just wanted to know what I have to send in and what way is the best to send it (fax, mail) to NW?

CY operated flights do not earn NW miles. It's the whole "no miles on a partner of a partner" rule.

To get miles for your transatlantic segments, fax NW a copy of the BPs and your receipt.

CY operated flights do not earn NW miles. It's the whole "no miles on a partner of a partner" rule.

To get miles for your transatlantic segments, fax NW a copy of the BPs and your receipt.

I thought that some people got the outbound FCO-LCA flight credited. I guess I could always send it into Alitalia. What is the fax number I should send it to.

I thought that some people got the outbound FCO-LCA flight credited. I guess I could always send it into Alitalia. What is the fax number I should send it to.

Or you can credit the mxp/fco-lca and lca-fco/mxp flights to your DL account. Worked for many of us, myself included.

Are there any scheduled flights from LCA to PFO (Paphos). I have heard that there are, but I can't seem to find any.

Thanks ^

Are there any scheduled flights from LCA to PFO (Paphos). I have heard that there are, but I can't seem to find any.

Thanks ^

Not sure where you heard that, but I don't find any. It is not very far - 67 miles or so.

Not sure where you heard that, but I don't find any. It is not very far - 67 miles or so.


Wikipedia mentions it in a number of places :D

Not sure where you heard that, but I don't find any. It is not very far - 67 miles or so.

It's motorway all the way from LCA to PFO.. can be done in a few hrs at most.

A number of CY flights route LCA-PFO-<somewhere in Europe>

Looks like you can't buy just the domestic segment though.

It's motorway all the way from LCA to PFO.. can be done in a few hrs at most.

1 1/2 hours or so with a car... the highways are pretty good..

Looks like you can't buy just the domestic segment though.

Strange - I wonder why that is?

1 1/2 hours or so with a car... the highways are pretty good..


Well seeing as we cannot fly, what are the choices in the way of public transportation? are there any buses?

Well seeing as we cannot fly, what are the choices in the way of public transportation? are there any buses?

Yes, I will be posting some info shortly. Was in LCA a couple days ago... now in Interlaken. I hope to provide some additional insights when I get a moment to put them together.

But to briefly say what I now know:
A bus is available to LCA town, 70p, and 20 minutes, but last one leaves 17:55. Bus back to LCA leaves @ 7:30. Route 21 and 24, I think.

Buses to Pafos, Limassol, Nicosia are available as well, but may not make it in time at the airport.

Ayia Napa is pretty much a party/resort town, per the locals.

Check out bookings.com for some relatively low priced accomodation.

Do not stay at Larco Hotel if you can stay at Les Palmiers (credit fluegelwesen previous post for the info) Rate varies from 15 CYP to 23CYP when I plugged in certain dates.

Be careful of the "bait and switch" on CY flights that could cause difficulty accessing the lounge at LCA.

It's motorway all the way from LCA to PFO.. can be done in a few hrs at most.

Not quite. The elevated highway through Lemosos isn't complete so there's a roundabout intersection there. Gets pretty congested.

Just wondering if anyone knows of a car rental agency at LCA which permits rental cars be driven to the north.

I recall there's no restrictions on staying in the north when entering directly from the south despite what most websites tell you?

Are there any scheduled flights from LCA to PFO (Paphos). I have heard that there are, but I can't seem to find any.

i just drove it. it's not bad. i looked for flights but couldn't find much.

i just drove it. it's not bad. i looked for flights but couldn't find much.

Do you have any recommendations on rental agencies? Can FF/hotel miles be used for free rentals with any of them? Are all the card manual gear?

Cheers ^

Buses to Pafos, Limassol, Nicosia are available as well, but may not make it in time at the airport.

Be careful of the "bait and switch" on CY flights that could cause difficulty accessing the lounge at LCA.


Do you have a webste for the buses?

What do you mean by the bait and switch?

Thanks.

Hertz was good... if you have a corporate discount, you can get up to 30-40% off the rental... and you get an automatic... really driving is not all bad - I was scared too but trust me: its a breeze.. I am not sure about buses but mass transportation between cities isnt too great. Make sure to check out Agia Napa - it is a party/resort town but a lot of fun (and cheap this time of the year!)

Hi All...

Finally going to start the adventure... Anyone going to be around?

LAX-CHI-YYZ Sept 28 - AA
YYZ - FCO - Sept. 29
FCO stopover until Oct. 3
FCO - LCA Oct. 3/4 Ayia Napa (hotel not booked yet - bus hopefully)
LCA - CAI Oct. 4-12 (Luxor - Overnight train thrown in for fun)
CAI - LCA Oct. 12/13
LCA - MXP Oct 13
MXP stopover until Oct. 16
MXP- YYZ Oct 16
YYZ - SNA Oct. 16 (if I can make the connection)


Thanks to all those who have taken the time to write their experiences! They have been very helpful.

Hope to cross-paths with some FTers...

Tina

Do you have a webste for the buses?

What do you mean by the bait and switch?

Thanks.

From the website:
The Inter-City Buses (green color buses) provide bus transportation services from Larnaca to Nicosia, Limassol, Ayia Napa, Protaras and Paphos (pending) and inverse on a daily basis but Sundays. We provide pre-arranged bus transportation services from Larnaca and Paphos Airports to any hotel in South Cyprus and we also provide pre-arranged bus transportation services for planned excursions/trips to South Cyprus

I made a mistake in saying Pafos, that is not available yet. However go to their site and you can see the times (I don't think it works for FT'ers flying in from Italy though).

http://www.intercitybuses.com/

I also took a picture of the Larnaca Town bus schedule from the airport, but don't have any place to host it. If any FT'er can, please let me know and I'll send you the jpg for you to load.

As for the bait and switch, Cyprus Airlines swapped an aircraft with a 1st class cabin for one that is economy only. Throughout the entire 20 plus minutes I was stuck waiting for her to process my checkin, she did not mention anything about this.

She didn't seem to know how to process my ticket and spoke to her colleague several times (I wish I knew Italian). She finally had to bust out some notebook she had in her purse to process me. I'd ask occassionally if there was any problem, she'd just say no problem. My boarding pass had the word ECONOMY written on it.

As a result, even though I was given a lounge pass, I had a very difficult time convincing the lounge matrons to let me in. I did not know about the aircraft change until after the lounge matron told me why I had ECONOMY stamped on my bp and that she is NOT supposed to let me in. After some phone calls, the let me in.

In the end, not a big deal, but I do wonder whether I will be able to get DL credit as biz or as economy only.

Good luck to all.

In the end, not a big deal, but I do wonder whether I will be able to get DL credit as biz or as economy only.



I can almost guarantee you you'll receive Economy credit on DL. I didn't have a bait-n-switch experience, but was booked in Economy even though I purchased a 'D' ticket. I pointed this out to DL, asked for biz class credit (since that's what I purchased, regardless where I sat), but only received economy credit.

I'm not complaining too much, because DL also credited me my trans-atlantic legs, even though I didn't ask for it (I credited those legs to another airline). They saw those legs from the AZ Ticket Receipt (the last flight 'coupon' in the AZ paper ticket booklet) I faxed in, and decided to credit me everything... ^

In the end, not a big deal, but I do wonder whether I will be able to get DL credit as biz or as economy only.

Good luck to all.

AFAIK, you won't get any DL credit for the flights operated by CY unless you get lucky.

AFAIK, you won't get any DL credit for the flights operated by CY unless you get lucky.

? I don't get it... there's been multiple reports that DL will credit the LCA segments. I am aware NW doesn't, but people continually mention success in getting LCA on DL. Is DL not paying attention?

Can you please be more specific as to why you don't believe this is the case?

Unfortunately, I won't be able to use my ticket. How do I cancel them? Should I call Orbitz directly or should I talk to Nicolo?

Unfortunately, I won't be able to use my ticket. How do I cancel them? Should I call Orbitz directly or should I talk to Nicolo?

Always talk to Nicolo first.

(I can almost hear the rest of the Flyertalk group chime in at the same time) :p

As an afterthought, have you done your 1 time change? If not, perhaps you can just hold on to it. You have till beginning of April 07 to complete your travel. At least you could still have a slight glimmer of hope of going.

Even after you do the 1 time change, they will allow you to cancel the tix and get a refund.

It is unfortunate... but even I have to cancel both of my tickets. There will only be a slim chance that I will be able to use the tickets by next April, and it just doesn't make any sense to risk it...

I wonder how many people are still going/went!

I wonder how many people are still going/went!

there is no need to wonder. isn't there a spreadsheet/list previously prepared that showed when people were going?

i also think jake jarmel would question your use of an exclamation point.
http://www.siyumhaseinfeld.com/chars/dates/jake.html

there is no need to wonder. isn't there a spreadsheet/list previously prepared that showed when people were going?
There is: http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/DRTCA9/

Doesn't seem like an awful lot...

Always talk to Nicolo first.

(I can almost hear the rest of the Flyertalk group chime in at the same time) :p

As an afterthought, have you done your 1 time change? If not, perhaps you can just hold on to it. You have till beginning of April 07 to complete your travel. At least you could still have a slight glimmer of hope of going.

Even after you do the 1 time change, they will allow you to cancel the tix and get a refund.

I haven't made any changes to my ticket. My current travel dates are in November. Assuming that I don't make any changes & don't travel in Nov/2006 -- can I make changes later to travel sometime next year?

I haven't made any changes to my ticket. My current travel dates are in November. Assuming that I don't make any changes & don't travel in Nov/2006 -- can I make changes later to travel sometime next year?

Just call Nicolo and let him know that you don't intend to travel on those dates, and you will call back at a later time to reserve the flights. Keep in mind travel has to be completed by the beginning of April (someone will correct me on the exact date) and you are going to need to make sure they have biz class seats for the flights you want. You could always go in Y, but that seems to defeat the purpose ;-)

My December flight is currently cleared, and holding a blank date on my PNR apparently. I'm going to call him once I figure out when to go, if I should go. Currently in Europe on the first of two RT.

Most of the basic questions can be found on page 1 of the thread. There's some info that is no longer relevant, but still has good stuff to know.

Did anyone take any trips to Lebanon? Are there any boats that make the journey or do you have to fly?

MEA is flying LCA-BEY...don't know if they are flying any other cyprus-bey routings. i check a few days ago for a ticket at the beginning of november, and i got 177 CYP, which is rather steep for such a short flight.

Did anyone take any trips to Lebanon? Are there any boats that make the journey or do you have to fly?

btw, as an afterthought, this may be a good question to ask in the middle easy forum. there are a few ex-bey fliers there. :)

Doesn't seem like an awful lot...
Lots of people didn't participate in the list, but certainly participated in the deal. You might be able to piece together a more accurate count by going through all the posts as many people made comments during & after travel. That shouldn't take you too long. ;)

MEA is flying LCA-BEY...don't know if they are flying any other cyprus-bey routings. i check a few days ago for a ticket at the beginning of november, and i got 177 CYP, which is rather steep for such a short flight.


Yeah, I saw that. Pretty extortionate price for a tiny hop.

Are there any ferries perhaps? or efficient ways to redeem a low number of miles? Anyone do this?

Did anyone take any trips to Lebanon? Are there any boats that make the journey or do you have to fly?


There used to be ferries, but from what I determined through much online searching is that they no longer operate and if they do, the service is very spotty and unreliable.

I was planning on taking a trip to BEY, but my family and I decided against it due to the "crisis." So now we are going to IST instead. I had looked into flights on CY or MEA (don't know the code) and they seemed to both be about the same price when I was looking (June maybe for dates in Oct). I believe the price was about $250-$300US.

There used to be ferries, but from what I determined through much online searching is that they no longer operate and if they do, the service is very spotty and unreliable.

I was planning on taking a trip to BEY, but my family and I decided against it due to the "crisis." So now we are going to IST instead. I had looked into flights on CY or MEA (don't know the code) and they seemed to both be about the same price when I was looking (June maybe for dates in Oct). I believe the price was about $250-$300US.


Looks like you can fly ECN to IST for $161 in Oct.

Amazing that it is so expensive just to cross the pond to BEI :td:

What is the concensus on actions for dealing with the Air Cyprus schedule changes? My flight on 1/1/07 no longer exists, and there does not appear to be a way to connect in to Italy to make it back to YYZ (or JFK, which is my original - and preferred - gateway).

It seems like I can just call Nicolo and get the flights rescheduled, pending availability. Is that right? I didn't change my dates yet, though I did call once to confirm that my flights were still ok and not messed up by Orbitz.

S.

I have completed my date change and got my new tix shipped to me without hassle. Also scored business class on all but 1 leg, from LCA to MXP. Thanks Nicolo!!! :)
Our itin is:

Oct 13 YYZ-MXP (business)
Oct 14 MXP-LCA (business)
Oct 18 LCA-MXP (economy)
Oct 22 MXP-LCA (business)

My question relates to your experience with the Boeing 767-200 Passenger (762). That is what plane is listed on our tickets. The corporate section of the Alitalia site only lists the 767-300 in their fleet. From what I have read, the YYZ-FCO run offers the better plane. I should also mention that neither my wife nor I have ever travelled business class on any airline... though much in economy! I've checked seatguru.com and it doesn't list our plane for Alitalia either. Google is tight-lipped on the subject as well. Curious to how the sleeping conditions and video options will be for the flight! Also any comments on the Cyprus Airways Airbus 320?

We are getting ultra excited, I find as our trip gets closer, I keep up to date with every post for any tips or hints provided by other travellers. Thanks everyone! ^

My question relates to your experience with the Boeing 767-200 Passenger (762). That is what plane is listed on our tickets. The corporate section of the Alitalia site only lists the 767-300 in their fleet. From what I have read, the YYZ-FCO run offers the better plane. I should also mention that neither my wife nor I have ever travelled business class on any airline... though much in economy! I've checked seatguru.com and it doesn't list our plane for Alitalia either. Google is tight-lipped on the subject as well. Curious to how the sleeping conditions and video options will be for the flight! Also any comments on the Cyprus Airways Airbus 320?

:rolleyes: yawn.

you're flying business class to europe and beyond for a song. let's not over-analyze the situation. sit back, relax, and enjoy the trip.

:rolleyes: yawn.

you're flying business class to europe and beyond for a song. let's not over-analyze the situation. sit back, relax, and enjoy the trip. They're all 763s. Some have new seats, some have old. Both are fine. Specially if you haven't flown biz before.

CY J is ok, not too spacious, but perfectly fine. Enjoy.

I didn't notice too much difference between CY J and Y seating. I think the seat pitch in J is about 34" and Y is 32. Get exit row seating on the Y leg and you'll never know the difference.

The A319 is a different story. it has real J seating vs. the convertible sating on the 320

you're flying business class to europe and beyond for a song. let's not over-analyze the situation. sit back, relax, and enjoy the trip.
No one's over-analyzing anything. S/he just wants to know what it's like up there, and it's a perfectly acceptable question to ask, regardless of how much people paid for the ticket. Will you get over this thing about how we all paid next to nothing? Do you realize just how many people wouldn't have dreamed of going to Italy and Cyprus on this trip, and just how many were able to fly C for the first time? Get over it. We all got a deal. So what. :rolleyes:

Now to the question at hand: I don't recall if AZ is flying the retro-fitted 767 YYZ-FCO anymore; I know they were for the summer schedule, but it might be back to the older version/seats. And at some point in the schedule, I guess they stop flying YYZ-FCO altogether. In any case, the newer configuration has a "shell" like you might have seen in many of the newer business class offerings. I found the seat to be very comfortable, especially if you're a "side-sleeper" like I am. The older 763 I also found to be very comfortable. It's still electronic, which is nice, but it doesn't have its own shell and does recline into peoples' space a bit, but it's not a huge problem. I was surprised how far it actually did recline, and it was comfortable enough for sleep. I think anyone concerned about being able to sleep should be fine on either aircraft.

I'm also briefly stopping via LCA, to go to TLV.
both CY and LY wanted about $400 for the 45 minute flight, but I was able to burn some skymiles on it for LY.
I'm forced to overnight on the way back tho :(

I didn't notice too much difference between CY J and Y seating. I think the seat pitch in J is about 34" and Y is 32. Get exit row seating on the Y leg and you'll never know the difference.


Agreed that there is not much difference and in fact, I found the pasta dishes I had on my 3 Y segments better than the really nasty fish I had (and didn't eat) on my one J segment. There are worse places to be than on CY in an exit row.

Me and the rest of my tax deductions off to TLV via YYZ/MXP/FCO/LCA on Oct 4, back Oct 17. Too bad my kids have already experienced the joys of J on BA,MH,KL,NW, GA, AF and AC.

I suspect the AZ J experience could be bitterly disappointing for them. ;)

Thanks, Nicolo!

Too bad my kids have already experienced the joys of J on BA,MH,KL,NW, GA, AF and AC.

Definitely spoiled! ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5403976.stm

does this impact anyone's decision to head over there? :(
dont like that news

What does this have to do with going to LCA? :confused:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5403976.stm

does this impact anyone's decision to head over there? :(
dont like that news

What does this have to do with going to LCA? :confused:

Absolutely nothing. Unless you are the type that hears that one bad thing happened somewhere and then figure that the whole area is like that.

Heck, I won't let my kid go to school, the maill, or anywhere else outside the house because I have read bad stories about things that have happened in similar places. :rolleyes:

Anyway, back to the topic. For what it is worth, I am finally figuring out my availability and am calling this week or next to change my tickets and to go enjoy LCA in December (not the best time, but it is when I can go). It will be a rough way to spend a week, but I think I'll somehow survive.

I now a few hundred posts back, the Washington contingent mentioned driving to YYZ. That is our plan, too. I have gone to multiple map sites, and have gotten wildly varying driving time totals, from 9 to 11.5 hours. Have any of you actually done the drive, and if so, what were your actuals? We leave the weekend before Thanksgiving, and need to know what to plan for.

Many thanks!

We leave the weekend before Thanksgiving, and need to know what to plan for.

i hope its not a wickedly long drive. ;)

I now a few hundred posts back, the Washington contingent mentioned driving to YYZ. That is our plan, too. I have gone to multiple map sites, and have gotten wildly varying driving time totals, from 9 to 11.5 hours. Have any of you actually done the drive, and if so, what were your actuals? We leave the weekend before Thanksgiving, and need to know what to plan for.

Many thanks!

When are your exact dates of leaving WAS area? My ticket is during that time too.

The wife and kids and I leave YYZ Nov 18.

I now a few hundred posts back, the Washington contingent mentioned driving to YYZ. That is our plan, too. I have gone to multiple map sites, and have gotten wildly varying driving time totals, from 9 to 11.5 hours. Have any of you actually done the drive, and if so, what were your actuals? We leave the weekend before Thanksgiving, and need to know what to plan for.

Many thanks!

I haven't gotten around to updating the Trip Reports thread with any of my experiences, but I flew back from LCA last Thursday and then drove to Washington. My route was down the QEW from near YYZ, across into the US at Niagara Falls using Rte. 405 to I-190, to I-90 in Buffalo west to I-79 in Erie, then down to the PA turnpike, I-70 into Maryland, to I-270 at Frederick.

As I thought making the entire drive after an early a.m. wakeup in Milan might be overly ambitious, I elected to overnight just off I-79 near Pittsburgh.

The total drive time back to Arlington was a little less than ten hours with food and gas stops: 5:45 on Thursday night and 4:00 on Friday morning (leaving after morning rush hour in PIT had subsided). Leaving YYZ about 3 p.m., I did hit stop-and-go traffic in Mississauga and Oakville in Ontario on the QEW which probably added fifteen to thirty minutes to my total drive time.

I haven't gotten around to updating the Trip Reports thread with any of my experiences, but I flew back from LCA last Thursday and then drove to Washington. My route was down the QEW from near YYZ, across into the US at Niagara Falls using Rte. 405 to I-190, to I-90 in Buffalo west to I-79 in Erie, then down to the PA turnpike, I-70 into Maryland, to I-270 at Frederick.

As I thought making the entire drive after an early a.m. wakeup in Milan might be overly ambitious, I elected to overnight just off I-79 near Pittsburgh.

The total drive time back to Arlington was a little less than ten hours with food and gas stops: 5:45 on Thursday night and 4:00 on Friday morning (leaving after morning rush hour in PIT had subsided). Leaving YYZ about 3 p.m., I did hit stop-and-go traffic in Mississauga and Oakville in Ontario on the QEW which probably added fifteen to thirty minutes to my total drive time.

How long did it take you from YYZ to PIT? How long at the border crossing?

Thanks :-:

How long did it take you from YYZ to PIT? How long at the border crossing?

Thanks :-:

I think my notation for the drive times in my last post was a little confusing, as it sounds like it could be times of day. Sorry about that :)

5 hours and 45 minutes on the road from YYZ to PIT; and then 4 hours from PIT to WAS.

There was no line at the Canada 405/Interstate 190 border crossing, but Customs did check my trunk, and then ask questions about my visit to LCA and FT, so it may have taken three or four minutes to get across. I had been told this was the fastest crossing to take if traveling from YYZ.

Incidentally, if anyone is driving from DTW, I made that drive on my way to YYZ, and it took about 4.5 hours, crossing at Port Huron. I drove pretty close to the speed limit in Canada, however, as I had dealer/temporary plates on my car and was a little worried that the Ontario fuzz might single me out for looking a little different.

How long at the border crossing?

Thanks :-:

The border crossings can be hit or miss. Sometimes it is 45 minutes, sometimes there is literally no line. Typically, it is a 5 to 10 minute wait, but if you are crossing at a busy time like a Friday before a long weekend, it can be significantly longer. Personally, I always check the crossing times at the 3 Buffalo / Niagara Falls crossings (Queenston-Lewiston, Rainbow Bridge and Peace Bridge) and make a decision about which way to go based on which has the least backup. You can do this on your web enabled cellphone @ http://wap.gc.ca Otherwise, I'll call someone and ask them to check this site when I am getting close to the turnoff for the Queenston-Lewiston (the first bridge when coming from Toronto) http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/times/menu-e.html

I called Nicolo about my one time routing change to my YYZ-BUC-AMS-TUN-YYZ tickets but he refused to do anything about it even though there are AZ segments on it! Somebody help! Where does he work again? Maybe I should go to NYC since I'm more convincing in person...






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I called Nicolo about my one time routing change to my YYZ-BUC-AMS-TUN-YYZ tickets but he refused to do anything about it even though there are AZ segments on it! Somebody help! Where does he work again? Maybe I should go to NYC since I'm more convincing in person...






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First what airport is BUH? Second, c'mon don't annoy the guy. I had to calm the guy down after some other dood he tried to help earlier drove him up the wall. He's now peeved off half the time because of some outrageous demands that some FT's have asked of him. He's not a call center super, he got assigned that one task...not for everything alitalia does.

First what airport is BUH? Second, c'mon don't annoy the guy. I had to calm the guy down after some other dood he tried to help earlier drove him up the wall. He's now peeved off half the time because of some outrageous demands that some FT's have asked of him. He's not a call center super, he got assigned that one task...not for everything alitalia does.
I really hope you weren't actually taking me seriously...

I really hope you weren't actually taking me seriously...
Actually yes, I was. Sarcasm doesn't bode too well via bbs. In my book, knowing how dense some people may be, anything is liable to happen.

Nicolo is, truly, superb. He was friendly, helpful, and funny. A great guy, and an amazing representative for a sometimes-riduculous company. I actually forgot to send a note to upper management at AZ after I flew telling them how much I appreciate his work on this. Glad I checked back on this thread!

I was in NYC in mid-August, a few days before my newly changed departure ex-YYZ to LCA, so I did the reticketing in person. He was flexible on the time I came to the office, he took care of my tickets right away, and was smiling and helpful even though it was lunchtime for everyone else in the office. (He'd told me anytime was fine, and not until we got there did I realize the time I'd picked for our appointment was lunchtime for most AZ people).
Good on ya, Nicolo.

I really hope you weren't actually taking me seriously...

I think any reasonable person would know it was a joke on your part. The smiley faces, certainly were obvious enough.

Nicolo is a great guy, and I believe that 99% of FT'ers treated him as such.

The wife and kids and I leave YYZ Nov 18.

My partner and I will be on that flight as well. We're also from WAS but are planning to fly to YYZ on Friday night.

Just wanted to let those who might be interested know that, as has been reported previously, the folks in the Botticelli lounge were more than happy to drop the LCA segment once we reached MXP (the Toronto ticketing desk would not begin to entertain the notion). We were only interested in Italy this time around.

Also, YYZ-MXP had "new" Magnifica seats, i.e., personal Dig-E-Players, pod-style seats. MXP-YYZ had "old" cloth seats which we actually thought were more comfortable.

I love FlyerTalk! A hearty thanks to the immortal rosj, Alitalia and Nicolo for allowing an outstanding trip.

Just wanted to let those who might be interested know that, as has been reported previously, the folks in the Botticelli lounge were more than happy to drop the LCA segment once we reached MXP (the Toronto ticketing desk would not begin to entertain the notion). We were only interested in Italy this time around.

Also, YYZ-MXP had "new" Magnifica seats, i.e., personal Dig-E-Players, pod-style seats. MXP-YYZ had "old" cloth seats which we actually thought were more comfortable.

I love FlyerTalk! A hearty thanks to the immortal rosj, Alitalia and Nicolo for allowing an outstanding trip.


Welcome to FT and thanks for the info.

I need to change my return date from MXP to YYZ and hope that they will entertain that notion in the Botticello lounge also.

Welcome to FT and thanks for the info.

I need to change my return date from MXP to YYZ and hope that they will entertain that notion in the Botticello lounge also.


That's very unlikely...

..as has been reported previously, the folks in the Botticelli lounge were more than happy to drop the LCA segment once we reached MXP.Anybody tried this at FCO??

That's very unlikely...


Why do you say that?

Just wanted to let those who might be interested know that, as has been reported previously, the folks in the Botticelli lounge were more than happy to drop the LCA segment once we reached MXP (the Toronto ticketing desk would not begin to entertain the notion). We were only interested in Italy this time around.

Also, YYZ-MXP had "new" Magnifica seats, i.e., personal Dig-E-Players, pod-style seats. MXP-YYZ had "old" cloth seats which we actually thought were more comfortable.

I love FlyerTalk! A hearty thanks to the immortal rosj, Alitalia and Nicolo for allowing an outstanding trip.

Even though you've obviously been 'with us' for a while, a warm welcome to Flyertalk, cejak!

Good to hear about your double whammy.
(LCA dropped and new magnifica seats on one portion of your trip)
I'm also interested to learn that you thought the old style more comfortable... I always had the sneaking suspicion I might too.

Just wanted to let those who might be interested know that, as has been reported previously, the folks in the Botticelli lounge were more than happy to drop the LCA segment once we reached MXP (the Toronto ticketing desk would not begin to entertain the notion). We were only interested in Italy this time around.


Welcome to FT cejak and thanks for the info!

Is it correct to say you were to fly YYZ-MXP-LCA and dropped LCA while at the Bottecicelli lounge in MXP? I have to go YYZ-MXP-FCO-LCA, and return LCA-MXP a couple days later. I am thinking of trying to drop my LCA segment when I get to MXP, but still fly to FCO. Were the folks there friendly to that idea? As a side note, how did you approach it? Anything particular you mentioned or just say you would like to drop the LCA segment and return on the same date?

Thanks in advance.

Were the folks there friendly to that idea? As a side note, how did you approach it? Anything particular you mentioned or just say you would like to drop the LCA segment and return on the same date?

Thanks in advance.

My sense is that the folks in Italy were treating us as legitimate business class customers (the ticketing desk (as opposed to the check-in desk) in YYZ was another story, though still polite). I simply went up to the counter in MXP/Botticelli and said that we had originally planned on seeing Cyprus but that we had now decided to spend a few extra days in Milan and then keep our original return to YYZ. I then handed her our tickets. She said it would be no problem and then began making a change on her computer. She was actually apologetic that she didn't think we would be able to get a refund on our unused segments. I said that that would be fine while trying not to smile too much. Then both of the ladies at the desk offered suggestions for spending a couple of days around the lakes (Angera on Lake Maggiore is very cool). Magnifica!

Just going on the friendly and helpful vibe at the Botticelli lounge, I would think it probable that most any reasonable change/drop you could think of making could be done at the MXP or FCO lounge in Italy. I even wondered after if I could have tried for a direct MXP-states routing on the way back. I can always ask for more!

Perhaps if you were looking to finalize your plans before departure you could even call the business-class lounges in Italy directly?

Best of luck and enjoy!

The Associated Press
October 10, 2006

ROME Italian Premier Romano Prodi said Tuesday that the situation at state-controlled Alitalia SpA was "out of control" and promised a new plan by January to save the cash-strapped airline from bankruptcy, Italian news agencies reported.

Prodi and key ministers were meeting with union leaders to discuss the airline's future amid widening financial losses and a series of wildcat strikes that have forced Alitalia to cancel scores of flights in recent weeks.

Prodi told union leaders that the airline's situation was "completely out of control, and I don't see a parachute," ..........no more according to TOS

Another version from BBC here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3683405.stm

Hmmmm, maybe I shouldn't put off travel till March. :(

(Hi FourWheels !)

Yes, I spent some time looking at AZ winter schedule,
preparing 3 back-to-back itins to request from Nicolo.

I overnighted MXP 3 times on my first ticket last summer,
so am trying to pass through FCO for forced overnights this time,
although there is a little less frequency.

Still, the triple run is 11 days long,
if there is increasing chance of getting stranded,
or mileage not going through, it is less attractive.
We'll see......

the plan:
TUE JAN 02 YYZ-MXP AZ#1
WED JAN 03 MXP-LCA overnight LCA
THU JAN 04 LCA-FCO overnight FCO
FRI JAN 05 FCO-YYZ 3 hour turn YYZ
YYZ-MXP AZ#2
SAT JAN 06 MXP-LCA overnight LCA
SUN JAN 07 LCA-FCO overnight FCO
MON JAN 08 Day in Rome
TUE JAN 09 FCO-YYZ 3 hour turn YYZ
YYZ-MXP AZ#3
WED JAN 10 MXP-LCA overnight LCA
THU JAN 11 LCA-FCO overnight FCO
FRI JAN 12 FCO-YYZ

The 3 hrs turnaround in YYZ might be very dangerous.As a reminder cut off for check-in is 120 min in YYZ.And this flight is known to be often late.Given that you have separate tickets you won't be reprotected.

Prodi and key ministers were meeting with union leaders to discuss the airline's future amid widening financial losses and a series of wildcat strikes that have forced Alitalia to cancel scores of flights in recent weeks.
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Another version from BBC here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3683405.stm

Hmm... If I recall, I may not have any rights due to labor strikes, is that correct under EU regs?

I'm in the middle of the trip now, and have one more turnaround left in about a week. Hopefully they keep talking and flying for awhile longer.

I was going to try something as ambitious as MrHalliday's schedule, but was just too unsure (and would rather spend actual time on the ground) :)

The 3 hrs turnaround in YYZ might be very dangerous.As a reminder cut off for check-in is 120 min in YYZ.And this flight is known to be often late.Given that you have separate tickets you won't be reprotected.Aha ! Excellent Point ! @:-) :-: :eek:

My original 2 back-to-back reservations
came into/out of YYZ from/to MXP.
I assumed the same plane turns around and goes back to MXP,
so if it arrives late, it will leave late.

But coming in from FCO, and departing to MXP,
I could have the problem you describe.

For that matter, I assume one plane goes MXP-YYZ-MXP
and another goes FCO-YYZ-FCO. That could be incorrect.

Thanks for the "heads up" as my old boss used to call it....
I shall ponder further. Overnight in YYZ isn't that expensive.
Just makes an already tedious run even longer.

Has anyone done an immediate turn back to Italy?
I expect this has already been done by others.
Can you just re-check-in at that remote terminal,
or the Maple Leaf Lounge. (No checked luggage).

Has anyone done an immediate turn back to Italy?
I expect this has already been done by others.
Can you just re-check-in at that remote terminal,
or the Maple Leaf Lounge. (No checked luggage).
You must clear Canada customs and immigration. All passengers will board a bus to the main T1, go through the formalities, clear security, and then bus it back to the infield terminal.

You must clear Canada customs and immigration. All passengers will board a bus to the main T1, go through the formalities, clear security, and then bus it back to the infield terminal.Ouch ! Thanks !

We are flying from YYZ to MXP in Business Class, then a 5 hour layover, and then coach to LCA. Will we be able to get into any lounge in MXP?

We are flying from YYZ to MXP in Business Class, then a 5 hour layover, and then coach to LCA. Will we be able to get into any lounge in MXP?

Yes Indeed. The Alitalia lounge. Just show your biz class stubs from YYZ-MXP flight. Bring something to read, not much to do in the lounge.

Also not much to eat or drink, and not many seats.

I wouldn't rely on the staff in FCO lounge to be able to do anything. Fellow LCAer asked if they could put him in J on LCA seg, instead of the confirmed Y. 5 hours later, after numerous requests, they said they were still "working on it" and we virtually had to grab the BP back so as to not miss the plane.

with all the uncertainty surrounding alitalia's future operations and solvency, i am thinking of moving up my trip to early november. two questions:

1) is there any place i can find alitalia winter schedule to both FCO and MXP? i tried alitalia website, but it is barely intelligable.

2) is there any way to check availability before calling niccolo? i'd rather have it all set up rather than hassling the guy on the phone....

Thanks! :)

And to add interest, Times reports:

THE apparent sabotage of two Alitalia planes could have caused a major tragedy, the head of the Italian pilots’ union said yesterday on the eve of emergency talks to save the debt-ridden state-controlled airline.
Two MD80 aircraft — the backbone of the Alitalia fleet — were damaged in a hangar while undergoing maintenance at Naples airport last week. The incidents appear to be linked to the talks between Romano Prodi, the Prime Minister, the management and unions on job cuts and investment that come after months of strikes and protests over restructuring plans.

Airport officials said that cables were cut in the tail section of one aircraft and the seal around the rear door of another was ripped a day later. Alitalia said that the sabotage did not put flight safety at risk because it was spotted in time by maintenance workers.

Fabio Berti, head of the Italian pilots’ association, said that the attacks were extremely serious and could have caused a massacre. It was unclear who the perpetrators were, but worrying that they had access to a “super-protected” area.

Signor Berti said that it was not the first time that Alitalia planes had been sabotaged. Some reports had suggested that sabotage was part of a strategy of tension to raise the stakes on the eve of today’s meeting but, Signor Berti told La Stampa: “I cannot believe anyone would be so irresponsible.” The Naples prosecutor is investigating the incidents, which trade union officials said reflected a drop in standards of security and maintenance.

:eek: "Spotted in time"?! Yikes.

And to add interest, Times reports:

THE apparent sabotage of two Alitalia planes could have caused a major tragedy, the head of the Italian pilots’ union said yesterday on the eve of emergency talks to save the debt-ridden state-controlled airline.
Two MD80 aircraft — the backbone of the Alitalia fleet — were damaged in a hangar while undergoing maintenance at Naples airport last week. The incidents appear to be linked to the talks between Romano Prodi, the Prime Minister, the management and unions on job cuts and investment that come after months of strikes and protests over restructuring plans.

Airport officials said that cables were cut in the tail section of one aircraft and the seal around the rear door of another was ripped a day later. Alitalia said that the sabotage did not put flight safety at risk because it was spotted in time by maintenance workers.

Fabio Berti, head of the Italian pilots’ association, said that the attacks were extremely serious and could have caused a massacre. It was unclear who the perpetrators were, but worrying that they had access to a “super-protected” area.

Signor Berti said that it was not the first time that Alitalia planes had been sabotaged. Some reports had suggested that sabotage was part of a strategy of tension to raise the stakes on the eve of today’s meeting but, Signor Berti told La Stampa: “I cannot believe anyone would be so irresponsible.” The Naples prosecutor is investigating the incidents, which trade union officials said reflected a drop in standards of security and maintenance.

This is not making me feel good. Strike talks? Sabotage? It is starting to sound a bit James Bondish? :td: And not the cool James Bondish I like. :cool: Perhaps I should shut my computer down and wait for the warm sun of the Med Sea to hit my face. We leave on Friday, Oct 13.
Apparently they had a strike on Oct 9? Hadn't heard about that till now?

Has anyone ever missed flights due to strikes or work stoppages? and how does your flight itin get resolved?

is there any place i can find alitalia winter schedule to both FCO and MXP? i tried alitalia website, but it is barely intelligable.I downloaded a quite intelligable pdf of their schedule from the website (US)

Apparently they had a strike on Oct 9? Hadn't heard about that till now?

Has anyone ever missed flights due to strikes or work stoppages? and how does your flight itin get resolved?

The strike got cancelled before it happened. We flew home on the 9th without incident.

Canada is the new mistake fare capital....the hawaii last year, otp this year, and this.

ok, my orbitz page shows several misconnects with my thanksgiving trip. Called orbitz. the woman tried to call AZ but "Alitalia refuses to talk to us" she said. she sounded aggravated and will forward the issue to a supervisor. so i am supposed to call them back in 72 hours....

Has anyone been able to get a free hotel in YYZ using the triprewards BRG?

http://www.triprewards.com/ip-tr/

Has anyone been able to get a free hotel in YYZ using the triprewards BRG?

http://www.triprewards.com/ip-tr/

what exactly is that..? i logged on but..what is BRG..?

Best Rate Guarantee

Best Rate Guarantee

ok, thanks, will try to enroll with truprewards, a.

Has anyone been able to get a free hotel in YYZ using the triprewards BRG?

http://www.triprewards.com/ip-tr/

Yes, I did. I was able to score the Days Hotel & Conference Center (30 Carlton Street) for free as part of the BRG. My stay took place a little more than a month ago. Couldn't tell you what site showed me the cheaper rate - but I know it took a lot of digging around - many sites don't show the rates in Canadian Dollars...
Good luck - it CAN be done!

ok, my orbitz page shows several misconnects with my thanksgiving trip. Called orbitz. the woman tried to call AZ but "Alitalia refuses to talk to us" she said. she sounded aggravated and will forward the issue to a supervisor. so i am supposed to call them back in 72 hours....


I would go direct to Nicolo to get this fixed. Orbitz can only cause problems.

I would like to ask again,
has anyone successfully done a same day turn at YYZ
putting 2 of these tix together back-to-back?
.......(or tried and failed!)

I realize it is risky, but seems to me reasonable odds it would work,
even now knowing I must clear into Canada before checking in.

The downside risk is actually not that terrible in my case,
I would just return home on the changeable award ticket that takes me up to YYZ.

Surely some one has already tried to do this?

I would like to ask again,
has anyone successfully done a same day turn at YYZ
putting 2 of these tix together back-to-back?
.......(or tried and failed!)

I realize it is risky, but seems to me reasonable odds it would work,
even now knowing I must clear into Canada before checking in.

The downside risk is actually not that terrible in my case,
I would just return home on the changeable award ticket that takes me up to YYZ.

Surely some one has already tried to do this?

I did such a turn in June. No problems as 1) the 1st MXP-YYZ flight arrived reasonably on time), 2) customs/immigration line was short/nearly non-existent, 3) made the bus with almost no waiting, 4) wasn't held up by customs.

However, I was blessed. That MXP-YYZ flight was less-delayed than the subsequent MXP-YYZ 3 days later and a FCO-YYZ last month (delayed on arrival by about 1/2 and 1 hr respectively).

Worse case is that you lose your connecting flight (and forfeit the ticket?) back to LCA.

beaubo suggests letting AZ gro