I am in the lounge for YYZ-MXP. Are you?

Yes... just got here... I have FT tags on my bags..... I need to look around for you.

do you have FT tags?.... what are you wearing?

Yes... just got here... I have FT tags on my bags..... I need to look around for you.

do you have FT tags?.... what are you wearing?


Hi,

I introduced myself a hour ago, had a chat with a bloke....but it is not the right guy!

Gaugeguy is just across talking to the phone, you can't miss it with all the Ft tag on his bags!...I will introduce myself later.

That means we are 3 FT on that flight to Milano.

I'm going to shoot Nicolo an email, and see if he can provide some definitive answers on i) whether AZ requires or recommends reconfirmation, or ii) if AZ uses reconfirmations in its determination of pax to deny boarding.AZ, like most other European and North American airlines, does not require reconfirmation on these routes.

However, if being on a particular flight is important to you, you can still reconfirm over the phone by calling the general reservations number. They will ask for your AZ PNR and then enter the current contact phone number into the booking. In theory, this should be done for the initial flight (72 hours before departure) and then every time you have a stopover of 72 hours or longer.

Hi,

I introduced myself a hour ago, had a chat with a bloke....but it is not the right guy!

Gaugeguy is just across talking to the phone, you can't miss it with all the Ft tag on his bags!...I will introduce myself later.

That means we are 3 FT on that flight to Milano.


Well, it was nice to have met you and I assume that you are in Berlin now. Anyway, I made it to Cyprus and the Hilton Park. Scary driving on the left side here for us americans anyway. Lots of miles comming up shortly....

god bless alitalia!!

mrs. overpaidslacker and i enjoyed our several days in rome (stopover), but the alarm on her cell phone didn't ring the morning we were supposed to get up to go to cyprus (via mxp). we wound up missing the flight, which was potentially catastrophic for us, because we weren't even planning to leave the airport in lca before continuing on our journey to jtr (we had separately bought tickets from lca to the greek islands on olympic airways, and we had booked it so we had about 5 hrs in lca before leaving --- if everything stayed ontime).

we got to fco, and an extraordinarily kind ticket agent listened to our story and said after some digging around on his computer "you only have one choice because the next flight to mxp will force you to miss your lca connection and you will not make your olympic airlines flight. i will send you to milan-linate and you will have to find your own way to malpensa. it's about an hour by bus, at least 50 kilometers, but you may make it if you go now -- your new flight leaves in 25 minutes!"

needless to say, we hauled ... and made it to linate. it just so happened that the linate-malpensa shuttle bus (which leaves every 90 minutes) left shortly after we arrived, so we didn't lose much more time....there was a highway accident that had traffic backed up a bit, and that had me worried, but we made it in time to meet up with our original itinerary at mxp.

there were several more close calls -- we got off at the wrong terminal at mxp at first, etc etc, but we made the flight. we thought we were in the clear after we boarded the plane, but after we pulled away from the gate, we sat and sat and sat until the captain eventually told us that we were held up for some maintenance problem, then we lost our slot to takeoff, etc. i became worried again that we might miss our lca-greece flights due to this delay, but we raced through baggage/customs, sweating bullets, seconds ticking, only to find out at the ticket counter that our first olypmic airlines leg (actually another cyprus airways codeshare) leg (lca-ath) was delayed two hours. so no problem after all. plenty of time.

long and short of it is that, looking back, we had a number of lucky breaks work out in our favor. but none of it would have been possible if it hadn't been for a very kind alitalia ground staff member at fco who looked hard for a way to help us out. i know alitalia's staff has received mixed reviews here, but i have nothing but kind things to say about them as i write from the santorini princess hotel, overlooking the breathtaking caldera from atop the island's steep cliff-face.

here's hoping ya'll have had/will have similarly enjoyable experiences with your travels.

Wow, I bet that was very stressful! Glad that worked out for you all. We enjoyed visiting with you and your wife in YYZ and sitting behind you all the way to Rome. I'm just glad 2A did not make us all as sick as he was or that you did not make the plane land.

Hope your return flight is much less adventurous. We are back in Canada and head back to the south tomorrow.

For those of you looking to travel to YYZ in the next couple of months for this fare, Air Canada has a sale which starts at $109 OW from EWR and cheap from many other cities. CO has matched this fare so better buy soon.. the sale ends in 24 hours afterwhich the fare will probably go back up to the $400+ RT level from EWR.

...Then, to make things worse, he told me that he got a memo today saying the MXP-IAD flight will be cancelled this winter...

Related thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586995

Yes I know I was asking for it checking luggage...but hey I'm out of town for 2.5 weeks!

AZ lost my luggage both going to and coming from cyrus....connecting in Rome

Pack those carry-ons carefully!!

My only comment about AZ J class.....just think of it this way....you bought transportation from point A to Z..keep expectations very low..and that's about what you get--transportation. It was sad.

Update: It only took four days to get the luggage...considering it was fedexed to the house...I suppose that is not too bad....if it is going to be lost

Post number 7777 - and still going strong!

Was in NYC on Friday. Met Nicolo. What a very friendly and helpful guy. He recommended Puttanesca for dinner. It was magnifico!

Arrive derci!

Nick

What a very friendly and helpful guy. He recommended Puttanesca for dinner. It was magnifico!

Arrive derci!



hope you enjoyed her, the puttanesca.......

Hey all~ just bouncing back into this thread to say Niccolo is *wonderful*. I had to cancel my original dates and don't have any replacement dates in mind yet...no problem, just need to call him back when I do. ^

I agree with everyone...he is polite, professional, and most helpful.

I'm a bit sad that I'm not going on vacation now, but I'm looking forward to going sometime in the winter when it'll be ever nicer!

I booked for dates I couldn't go, and then called Nicolo and successfully changed the trip to later. My Orbitz itinerary now shows both trips, and the old one is supposed to be in-progress right now. Should I bother calling Orbitz to remove these segments, or will things take care of themselves?

has anyone coming back not traveled the last leg to YYZ and just got off at the connecting point in the US? if so, did the mileage post correctly? I've never done this and have heard conflicting stories so I wanted to make sure before I book any airfare...

in the winter when it'll be ever nicer!

why will it be nicer?

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/CYXX0004?from=search_10day

has anyone coming back not traveled the last leg to YYZ and just got off at the connecting point in the US? if so, did the mileage post correctly? IF I had done this, (I am NOT saying I did),
but IF I had not flown BOS-YYZ,
I can say the MXP-BOS would have posted fine.
BOS-YYZ miles would not, even if I had a BP for the YYZ leg on AA.

why will it be nicer?

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/CYXX0004?from=search_10day

Because it'll be nice to escape winter for a while!

Due to unforseen circumstances, we need to postpone our trip to LCA this week.
Nicolo has said that because we already had our "one" permitted change, the only thing left to do is cancel the tix and get refund.
I was looking by to the original posts about Alitalia unilaterally changing the fare rules after we all booked, and wondered if anyone knows anything about this.
Do I have any chance of forcing Alitalia to do a second change? Has anyone been successful in doing this?
I still believe it was completely WRONG for AZ to be able to change our fare rules AFTER we had tickets...but can we legally challenge this?
tks

Nicolo has said that because we already had our "one" permitted change, the only thing left to do is cancel the tix and get refund.

Do I have any chance of forcing Alitalia to do a second change? Has anyone been successful in doing this?
I still believe it was completely WRONG for AZ to be able to change our fare rules AFTER we had tickets...but can we legally challenge this?
tks


I suppose you could try legal avenues but I would imagine that with the circumstances and the oral agreement, with Nicolo, to the one time change that you wouldn't get anywhere.

I havn't heard of anyone getting a second change for any reason. From Alitalia's point of view it just opens up the box for the rest of us to change again.

I don't know why you can't make the flight but if I were you I would ask myself if it would be easier to postpone your obligations and go on this flight or to go through the headache and stress of fighting with Alitalia. The other option of course is to take a refund, though that's not what you wanted to hear.

Good Luck, Seattle Flyer

not true, i got a second change although not till i was in rome, see my last post...
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6171701&postcount=7764


I havn't heard of anyone getting a second change for any reason. From Alitalia's point of view it just opens up the box for the rest of us to change again.

Due to unforseen circumstances, we need to postpone our trip to LCA this week.
Nicolo has said that because we already had our "one" permitted change, the only thing left to do is cancel the tix and get refund.
I was looking by to the original posts about Alitalia unilaterally changing the fare rules after we all booked, and wondered if anyone knows anything about this.
Do I have any chance of forcing Alitalia to do a second change? Has anyone been successful in doing this?
I still believe it was completely WRONG for AZ to be able to change our fare rules AFTER we had tickets...but can we legally challenge this?
tks

I'm sure you would agree that it would be unfair to one party changing the rules midstream if it were AZ, right? Well the original agreement is irrelevant to your case because you made a new agreement with Nicolo understanding the change you made is the ONLY one you'll get. So, now YOU want to change the rules and pretend that didn't happen? No way man, you're out of luck.
Use it or lose it.
I think you should count yourself fortunate you are able to get a refund if you decide not to go and move on. Leave the deal intact for those of us who wish to travel and keep our part of the bargain.
While normally I would try to restrain myself from reacting so strongly to such a question, you did reference "forcing" AZ to do something and asked about a legal challenge.
Come on, smarten up already.
Whatever you "still believe" is your own problem. You did the deal with Nicolo and that's your lot.

Any idea if the new crazy security rules are going to affect us?
Do you think they are going to implement them across Europe for all US bound flights?

Yes I know I was asking for it checking luggage...but hey I'm out of town for 2.5 weeks!

AZ lost my luggage both going to and coming from cyrus....connecting in Rome

Pack those carry-ons carefully!!

My only comment about AZ J class.....just think of it this way....you bought transportation from point A to Z..keep expectations very low..and that's about what you get--transportation. It was sad.

Update: 96 hours later...no luggage...no word from Alitalia regarding them. :mad:

I'm sure you would agree that it would be unfair to one party changing the rules midstream if it were AZ, right? Well the original agreement is irrelevant to your case because you made a new agreement with Nicolo understanding the change you made is the ONLY one you'll get. So, now YOU want to change the rules and pretend that didn't happen? No way man, you're out of luck.
Use it or lose it.
I think you should count yourself fortunate you are able to get a refund if you decide not to go and move on. Leave the deal intact for those of us who wish to travel and keep our part of the bargain.
While normally I would try to restrain myself from reacting so strongly to such a question, you did reference "forcing" AZ to do something and asked about a legal challenge.
Come on, smarten up already.
Whatever you "still believe" is your own problem. You did the deal with Nicolo and that's your lot.

I agree.. if you felt so strongly about your position, you should have never agreed to the new terms when you gave your ticket to Nicolo to change... you should have fought it to the end. But since you did: You'll have to deal with it. Maybe if you were nice to Nicolo, he might do a favor but think of it as a favor, not a right at this point...

Any idea if the new crazy security rules are going to affect us?
Do you think they are going to implement them across Europe for all US bound flights?

Theoretically no carry ons but passport, wallet, etc for just uk-usa. However the no liquids, gels, chapstick :rolleyes: etc. is any flight to/from the USA. At least this is my understanding. If they do loose your luggage with any toiletries etc in them.. it would be a pain but you could just go and buy some stuff on arrival.

They told me at LCA that there would be a 25 cyprus pounds allowance per day that they would reimbourse. Since I traveled before the new restrictions I had place all my toiletries and several days worth of clothes in my carry on (as of all my experiences with alitalia they have always lost my bag), so I didn't seek any type of reimboursement of articles needed during the delay. My suspicion is that getting this reimboursement would be difficult to say the least.

I agree.. if you felt so strongly about your position, you should have never agreed to the new terms when you gave your ticket to Nicolo to change... you should have fought it to the end. But since you did: You'll have to deal with it. Maybe if you were nice to Nicolo, he might do a favor but think of it as a favor, not a right at this point...

I disagree. We didn't get anything in return for agreeing to the one-time change since our original tickets allowed changes anyway; we actually lost something that we originally had and received nothing in exchange for that. However, whether it's worth pursuing is another question.

Not worth pursuing.

AZ did the stand up thing (eventually) and agreed to honor the tickets, permit a one-time change (including outbound dates, routings, stopovers), and retain the tickets' refundability.

But said changes were one-time only.

Not unreasonable IMHO.

Theoretically no carry ons but passport, wallet, etc for just uk-usa. However the no liquids, gels, chapstick :rolleyes: etc. is any flight to/from the USA. At least this is my understanding. If they do loose your luggage with any toiletries etc in them.. it would be a pain but you could just go and buy some stuff on arrival.

They told me at LCA that there would be a 25 cyprus pounds allowance per day that they would reimbourse. Since I traveled before the new restrictions I had place all my toiletries and several days worth of clothes in my carry on (as of all my experiences with alitalia they have always lost my bag), so I didn't seek any type of reimboursement of articles needed during the delay. My suspicion is that getting this reimboursement would be difficult to say the least.

Hmm.. we were never offered reimbursement when they lost our luggage MXP-LCA.. it finally showed up two days later when they delivered it to the hotel we had already checked out of and didn't find out about till we arrived at the airport to leave. We had to drive back from the airport to the hotel, pick up our bags, then drive back to the airport. :mad:

Hmm.. we were never offered reimbursement when they lost our luggage MXP-LCA.. it finally showed up two days later when they delivered it to the hotel we had already checked out of and didn't find out about till we arrived at the airport to leave. We had to drive back from the airport to the hotel, pick up our bags, then drive back to the airport. :mad:

I asked about compensation for items that had to be purchased since luggage was not in....that is when they addressed it. They said to 'save receipts'. So I think that one must ask.

This is just a thought...it appears that those having the most issues are those with luggage checked straight through yyz-mxp/fco-lca. Those with a stopover in Italy are not having the same problems. I know this would be a pain...but perhaps it might work better....just check the luggage to rome/mxp and on the layover re-check the bag at rome/mxp. I know my layovers in italy going over are long ones....so time wouldn't be a big issue. Just a thought.

Any idea if the new crazy security rules are going to affect us?
Do you think they are going to implement them across Europe for all US bound flights?

Good question, since these flights are to Canada, and not the US. I'm wondering whether the Canadian authorities imposed similar restrictions to what the TSA (and the British authorities) put in place?

Canadian authorities have imposed the same "no liquids or gels" rules everyone else has. Thus far carryon not otherwise affected, but there have been indications that more severe restrictions are being considered.

We have just moved our second LCA trip to November and I'm hoping things will have changed for the better by then since we wanted to take carryon only.

I'm a bit sad that I'm not going on vacation now, but I'm looking forward to going sometime in the winter when it'll be ever nicer!
Winter in Cyprus is not very nice, it can get quite cold at night and many buildings don't have any heating

...it appears that those having the most issues are those with luggage checked straight through yyz-mxp/fco-lca. ....just check the luggage to rome/mxp and on the layover re-check the bag at rome/mxp. a variation on this theme that may suit those not staying long in Cyprus:

collect your bag in MXP and exit the secure area,
use bag storage facility at MXP (way to the right as you exit)
until you return from LCA.

The daily rate there is something like $5 a night;
half of what the train station charges, as I learned the hard way.

On my next run, when returning from LCA to overnight in MXP,
I will drop any checked bag there overnight
rather than take it into town on the bus.
I ended up dragging a bag for a km to Hotel Sempione
due to the Taxi strike last month!!

I'm sure you would agree that it would be unfair to one party changing the rules midstream if it were AZ, right? Well the original agreement is irrelevant to your case because you made a new agreement with Nicolo understanding the change you made is the ONLY one you'll get. So, now YOU want to change the rules and pretend that didn't happen? No way man, you're out of luck.
Use it or lose it.
I think you should count yourself fortunate you are able to get a refund if you decide not to go and move on. Leave the deal intact for those of us who wish to travel and keep our part of the bargain.
While normally I would try to restrain myself from reacting so strongly to such a question, you did reference "forcing" AZ to do something and asked about a legal challenge.
Come on, smarten up already.
Whatever you "still believe" is your own problem. You did the deal with Nicolo and that's your lot.


What mindboggeling inarticulate drivel. Whatever on Earth possesed you to think that you would win over someone so as to "leave the deal intact for those of us who [to] ... keep our part of the bargain" by attacking him?

You presume angus1999 consented to the one time change rule, and then you proceed to tell him to live with his new deal because it would be unfair to AZ, the company that refused to honors the original deal. ...?

But turning the to question presented by angus1999: if you explicitely agreed with the one-time-only-change rule, then you should abide by that agreement. AZ agreed not to challenge the contract and you agreed to the modified terms. If you never agreed to the new rules, then you 100% have a claim and you will 98.9% fail should you prosecute that claim.

Courts look at equity and statutes and in cases like this judges will find a way to "do the right thing." It's the old adage, easy cases make bad law. Here, it just feels right that where an airline made a mistake in pricing, and in so doing lost $1.6MM in revenue (arguably), but allowed not only the original bookings but one change, then that airline has done enough. The strict law is otherwise, but the judge would find a way to create bad law in ruling the "right way."

I'm sorry you were unable to take advantage of the deal and I hope you will be able to find -- or even contribute -- other great deals here on FT.

What mindboggeling inarticulate drivel. Whatever on Earth possesed you to think that you would win over someone so as to "leave the deal intact for those of us who [to] ... keep our part of the bargain" by attacking him?

You presume angus1999 consented to the one time change rule, and then you proceed to tell him to live with his new deal because it would be unfair to AZ, the company that refused to honors the original deal. ...?

But turning the to question presented by angus1999: if you explicitely agreed with the one-time-only-change rule, then you should abide by that agreement. AZ agreed not to challenge the contract and you agreed to the modified terms. If you never agreed to the new rules, then you 100% have a claim and you will 98.9% fail should you prosecute that claim.

Courts look at equity and statutes and in cases like this judges will find a way to "do the right thing." It's the old adage, easy cases make bad law. Here, it just feels right that where an airline made a mistake in pricing, and in so doing lost $1.6MM in revenue (arguably), but allowed not only the original bookings but one change, then that airline has done enough. The strict law is otherwise, but the judge would find a way to create bad law in ruling the "right way."

I'm sorry you were unable to take advantage of the deal and I hope you will be able to find -- or even contribute -- other great deals here on FT.


Thanks for your comments. They were entertaining, if difficult to decipher. While you are obviously entitled to disagree with me, your post does not appear to provide any sensible or correctly-spelled rationale for doing so.

I stand by my post. My presumption that angus1999 consented to the one time change rule is a fair one, since Nicolo's and AZ's handling of the changes has been made quite clear to anyone following this thread on FT. Angus1999 made it clear one change was already made. Both on this thread and in dealings with Nicolo, there is no mention of a two-change rule... no maybe-three-changes-if-you-really-need-it rule... there is a one-time-change rule. Anyone who dealt with Nicolo on a change surely understood that. So once a traveler has made a change, whatever legal issues might have been valid before become moot.

I am confident about the clarity of the "new deal" travelers make with Nicolo because of: what I have read here, what others who have dealt with him have told me, and my own dealings with him. He clearly stipulated there was but one opportunity to make certain changes, and those changes would be final. Finally, it isn't clear to whom your last paragraph is directed-- if to me, you assumed incorrectly that I did not get this deal. I head to LCA soon. I have in fact done well on several fare errors, thank you. :)

I am confident about the clarity of the "new deal" travelers make with Nicolo because of: what I have read here, what others who have dealt with him have told me, and my own dealings with him. He clearly stipulated there was but one opportunity to make certain changes, and those changes would be final. Finally, it isn't clear to whom your last paragraph is directed-- if to me, you assumed incorrectly that I did not get this deal. I head to LCA soon. I have in fact done well on several fare errors, thank you. :)
Sorry you have such weak reading comprehension skills and even weaker legal reasoning.

Of course my comments were to angus1999, it was to his question that my attention had turned, having disposed of your nonsense. Your post was angry drivel in response to a reasoned question from a member of the community. Your mush would at best drive him to want to fight the “new deal” if for no other reason than causing apoplexy for the few intemperate twits who post here among the reasoned many.

You presume Nicolo acted uniformly in each and every instance. You further presume, wrongly, that Nicolo unilaterally declaring a rule without eliciting an affirmative assent to the change constitutes a “new deal.” I’ll save you the recitation of contract law and the rules of acceptance -quite frankly I don’t think your reading skils are up to it.

So keep on trolling, you're doing so much to add to the community.

So keep on trolling, you're doing so much to add to the community.



FatManInNYC
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 64

FatManInNYC
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 64
LOL.

Well, at least this post of yyzlhr actually has some carriage returns, unlike the bulk of his/her one-liner count-padding entries.

Enough trolling everyone, myself included.

I was planning on taking one of these trips in early Sept and hoping to be able to cancel the LCA segs once I reached MXP (others have had success with changes in MXP) as I had planned to continue to BEY, which I don't think I'll do now.

However, it seems that it may be best for me to cancel that whole trip.

Question...

Those who have cancelled a ticket, how long did it take for a refund to reflect on your CC? Was this refund done through Nicolo or AZ CS or the online site where the ticket was purchased?

Thanks

i really can't see how the posting of FatManInNYC's join date and post total added anything to this debate...remember that when rosj first posted this deal we all took advantage of, he was relatively new and sub-50 post too.

FatManInNYC
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 64

if you are just trying to cancel your ex-LCA legs, you may be able to cancel them in FCO as rgm 18 has detailed here:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6171701&postcount=7764



I was planning on taking one of these trips in early Sept and hoping to be able to cancel the LCA segs once I reached MXP (others have had success with changes in MXP) as I had planned to continue to BEY, which I don't think I'll do now.

However, it seems that it may be best for me to cancel that whole trip.

Question...

Those who have cancelled a ticket, how long did it take for a refund to reflect on your CC? Was this refund done through Nicolo or AZ CS or the online site where the ticket was purchased?

Thanks

if you are just trying to cancel your ex-LCA legs, you may be able to cancel them in FCO as rgm 18 has detailed here:

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6171701&postcount=7764


That's what I was planning on doing if I travel, but now my question was for a complete cancellation and refund.

I'm currently staying at the Antonis G Hotel Apartments (leaving tomorrow for Milan), and have told Mr. Antonis about FlyerTalk and the LCA deal. Simply put, after telling Mr. Antonis about FlyerTalk and the deal, he wants the LCA mileage runners to consider staying at his hotel, and thus is making the following offer to all FlyerTalk LCA mileage runners:

For bookings made through the end of September and completed by 31 December 2006, the Hotel is offering a special rate of 9 Cypriot pounds per person, per night (including all taxes). A maximum of 10 rooms that can be booked per reservation.

To book the offer, go to www.antonisg.com and send an email to Mr. Antonis at tony55@cytanet.com.cy stating that you want the FlyerTalk Special Rate of 9 CYP per person/night.


N.B. I have not received any compensation or other consideration from Mr. Antonis or the hotel in connection with this posting; I am simply passing the message along from Mr. Antonis since he's not yet a member of FlyerTalk (though I'm trying to work on that).

I'm currently staying at the Antonis G Hotel Apartments (leaving tomorrow for Milan), and have told Mr. Antonis about FlyerTalk and the LCA deal. Simply put, after telling Mr. Antonis about FlyerTalk and the deal, he wants the LCA mileage runners to consider staying at his hotel, and thus is making the following offer to all FlyerTalk LCA mileage runners:

For bookings made through the end of September and completed by 31 December 2006, the Hotel is offering a special rate of 9 Cypriot pounds per person, per night (including all taxes). A maximum of 10 rooms that can be booked per reservation.

To book the offer, go to www.antonisg.com and send an email to Mr. Antonis at tony55@cytanet.com.cy stating that you want the FlyerTalk Special Rate of 9 CYP per person/night.


N.B. I have not received any compensation or other consideration from Mr. Antonis or the hotel in connection with this posting; I am simply passing the message along from Mr. Antonis since he's not yet a member of FlyerTalk (though I'm trying to work on that).

I'm intrigued. Could you post a review/write-up and/or some pictures of the place, also best way to get there, dining options, etc? I leave Sunday and have no reservations anywhere yet. :)

I'm intrigued. Could you post a review/write-up and/or some pictures of the place, also best way to get there, dining options, etc? I leave Sunday and have no reservations anywhere yet. :)

I provided a some info to your questions in my post in tbe Hotel Deals thread on this topic.

I agree.. if you felt so strongly about your position, you should have never agreed to the new terms when you gave your ticket to Nicolo to change... you should have fought it to the end. But since you did: You'll have to deal with it. Maybe if you were nice to Nicolo, he might do a favor but think of it as a favor, not a right at this point...

Nicolo is following AZ policy, not making it. The 'one change' policy is in force, and no favors, sob stories, last minute change of plans, etc. will allow exceptions to this policy. Don't be mad or frustrated at Nicolo as he has dutifully done what he was empowered to do- make ONE change per ticket.

As all of the YYZ-LCA tickets are in effect, 'flagged' by AZ, Nicolo nor anyone else at AZ can make additional changes without AZ mngt consent, which will not happen.

Pardon my asking - as it may have been mentioned already - but there are so many pages to this thread.

Has anyone flown to date and had their miles posted to CO?

If so - how long did it take?

Thanks!

NRB

Pardon my asking - as it may have been mentioned already - but there are so many pages to this thread.

Has anyone flown to date and had their miles posted to CO?

If so - how long did it take?

Thanks!

NRB
Yes, about a week, IIRC, no miles for MXP-LCA-MXP

Has anyone flown to date and had their miles posted to CO?

If so - how long did it take?

As a point of reference, my NW credited AZ flights took 2-3 days to show up online (Flight showed, but miles not credited), and then another 2-3 days to actually credit.

We just got back yesterday. Everything went fine -- no problems with seats, though our MXP-YYZ had been zeroed out for weeks. AZ food, drink and service onboard were very good; on the outbound we had the new seats and DigEs, but return was just mainscreen which wasn't great.

CY flights were decent, though nothing too exciting. AC lounge at YYZ was very nice, CY lounge in LCA was fine till it filled with smoke, AZ lounges were lousy in both FCO and MXP.

We had no impact from the new rules and were not required to take liquids out of carryons for the YYZ leg (signs posted at MXP clearly sasid the rule applied to US, Israel and UK).

Outbound AZ leg has credited to NW, CY-op (psyop ?) deemed inelgible as expected.

Thanks to AZ, Niccolo and rosj.

We just got back yesterday. Everything went fine -- no problems with seats, though our MXP-YYZ had been zeroed out for weeks. AZ food, drink and service onboard were very good; on the outbound we had the new seats and DigEs, but return was just mainscreen which wasn't great.

CY flights were decent, though nothing too exciting. AC lounge at YYZ was very nice, CY lounge in LCA was fine till it filled with smoke, AZ lounges were lousy in both FCO and MXP.

We had no impact from the new rules and were not required to take liquids out of carryons for the YYZ leg (signs posted at MXP clearly sasid the rule applied to US, Israel and UK).

Outbound AZ leg has credited to NW, CY-op (psyop ?) deemed inelgible as expected.

Thanks to AZ, Niccolo and rosj.

My trip has gone generally well, until today - Alitalia lost my bag on LCA-FCO-LIN!!!! No sign of my lost yet, and I shall be seeking some consideration for the inconvenience I'm facing because of it...

Pardon my asking - as it may have been mentioned already - but there are so many pages to this thread.

Has anyone flown to date and had their miles posted to CO?

If so - how long did it take?

Thanks!

NRB

The AZ flights credited to my co op account no problem. It took only a couple of days. All posted in less than a week. The flights ex-yyz did post faster than the ex-fco leg. As expected and per op rules, none of the italy-lca legs posted to the op account. It appears that only the DL are 'accidently' getting some italy-lca az codeshare/cy metal flights posted to their account.

One note....I don't know if it is a glitch or not...but I had to give my op number again at checkin in fco as az claimed that there was no ff number in there even though I gave it on departure from yyz. It's my experience that once for domestic flights that once a ff is in an itinerary, it's there for all legs--but that didn't seem to be the case her for me.

One note....I don't know if it is a glitch or not...but I had to give my op number again at checkin in fco as az claimed that there was no ff number in there even though I gave it on departure from yyz. It's my experience that once for domestic flights that once a ff is in an itinerary, it's there for all legs--but that didn't seem to be the case her for me.

I have had this happen more than once with various airlines, especially with partner airlines. I always ask or verify at checkin that my FF number is in the reservation. If the number is not printed on my boarding passes, I double check again at each and every airport I transit through and go through the same process on the return. It is much easier taking the couple of minutes (or less) in line at a gate to verify this than to write the airline with boarding passes/ticket stubs, etc.

Glad that you caught it.

Trip coming up..will call to reconfirm everything.. Also, I have a 5+ hour stopover in Rome.. do you think thats enough time to take a quick walk around town....

In Cyprus, We are staying at the Aeneas Hotel in Ayia Napa:

http://www.aeneas.com.cy/

Unique Features: largest pool in Europe. Some rooms have direct access to the pool from the balcony.

My trip has gone generally well, until today - Alitalia lost my bag on LCA-FCO-LIN!!!! No sign of my lost yet, and I shall be seeking some consideration for the inconvenience I'm facing because of it...

Let us know if you get anywhere with AZ with respect to 'consideration'

Having had my luggage misdirected twice on one itin with AZ, I can 'feel your pain'.

Had our 'memorable' trip in July but only just back to OZ and over a bout of Glandular Fever - so putting trip report together now. As a posting newbie, an a details geek, just want to know if you would suggest that I include photos of cabins, meals and ammenty kits in my trip report?

I don't want to get carried away with photos if that's not the done thing. My travelling companion thought I was crazy by the number of shots I took (and even kept the menus!) but I thought this might be a good way of giving back a little to the FT community for the awesome trip we had!

Appreciate your feedback (and if this is the wrong place to post this request - just smack me already!) ;)

just want to know if you would suggest that I include photos of cabins, meals and ammenty kits in my trip report?


Yes - please. Photos, menus, your thoughts/experiences will help the rest of us prepare mentally (or relive, as the case may be) for this trip. I know I, for one, would certainly appreciate your report (knowing it's not a quick thing to compile!)
You may want to post the report in the LCA Trip Report thread (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563259)
Hope you had a great trip!
BB.

Pictures would be great. :) I agree, you should probably post in the trip reports forum. Maybe even make a new thread since it is a separate trip report. I leave in 5 days so there's not much I can do now, but it would still be nice to read a report and see some pics.

How far is this place from the airport? It looks great!
Are you renting a car or taking a cab there?

Thanks

SC-G


Trip coming up..will call to reconfirm everything.. Also, I have a 5+ hour stopover in Rome.. do you think thats enough time to take a quick walk around town....

In Cyprus, We are staying at the Aeneas Hotel in Ayia Napa:

http://www.aeneas.com.cy/

Unique Features: largest pool in Europe. Some rooms have direct access to the pool from the balcony.

Just a quick thought.... after 4 trips now in 2 weeks, Im in FCO and heading home tomorrow. I rented 4 times now from Budget in LCA for 24.60CYP/Day because I only needed the car for 1 day to drive to the Hilton in Nicosia and back. The staff at budget was wonderful! The first time I rented, they made me prepay for fuel and then they credited my CC when I came back as I only used 4 liters and filled up on the way to the airport. The next 3 trips they never even bothered and just trusted me that I would fill it up.

Also, the car i paid for was the cheapest avail. I received a Ford Focus automatic with A/C the first two times and after that, the guy at the counter was so happy i was back, he gave a brand new Mercedes the last 2 times. Not bad! :) Anyway, thats my plug for budget. Just tell them Mr. Jonathan sent you. ;)

I'll rent from them again next year for my last AZ ticket.

Just tell them Mr. Jonathan sent you. ;)
If we do, will we also get a Mercedes? :)

If not, I'll probably stick to the cheapest wreck I can find. ;)

Had our 'memorable' trip in July but only just back to OZ and over a bout of Glandular Fever - so putting trip report together now. As a posting newbie, an a details geek, just want to know if you would suggest that I include photos of cabins, meals and ammenty kits in my trip report?

I don't want to get carried away with photos if that's not the done thing. My travelling companion thought I was crazy by the number of shots I took (and even kept the menus!) but I thought this might be a good way of giving back a little to the FT community for the awesome trip we had!

Appreciate your feedback (and if this is the wrong place to post this request - just smack me already!) ;)
Please do. There are many detail freaks here, myself included, who would be very appreciative.

Trip coming up..will call to reconfirm everything.. Also, I have a 5+ hour stopover in Rome.. do you think thats enough time to take a quick walk around town....

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I was at Rome last week. I will take 1 hour by train to go to city, 1 hour to come back and 1 hour for security (it is a zoo). That let you 2 hours free...anything interesting close to Terminili Train station is 30 minutes walk...Answer: NO!

Lounge is very boring (no windows).

aad665

How far is this place from the airport? It looks great!
Are you renting a car or taking a cab there?

Thanks

SC-G

Its in Ayia Napa which is a big party town and has good beaches. Its about 45 minutes from the airport so I am thinking of renting a car - looking for feedback on how the roads are to Ayia Napa or Nicosia...

Just a quick thought.... after 4 trips now in 2 weeks, Im in FCO and heading home tomorrow. I rented 4 times now from Budget in LCA for 24.60CYP/Day because I only needed the car for 1 day to drive to the Hilton in Nicosia and back. The staff at budget was wonderful! The first time I rented, they made me prepay for fuel and then they credited my CC when I came back as I only used 4 liters and filled up on the way to the airport. The next 3 trips they never even bothered and just trusted me that I would fill it up.

Also, the car i paid for was the cheapest avail. I received a Ford Focus automatic with A/C the first two times and after that, the guy at the counter was so happy i was back, he gave a brand new Mercedes the last 2 times. Not bad! :) Anyway, thats my plug for budget. Just tell them Mr. Jonathan sent you. ;)

I'll rent from them again next year for my last AZ ticket.

How was the drive to Nicosia? Are the roads decent to drive on for an average American driver?

Also, how is the location of the hotel? Would you need the car to roam around in Nicosia?

How was the drive to Nicosia? Are the roads decent to drive on for an average American driver?

Also, how is the location of the hotel? Would you need the car to roam around in Nicosia?

Not to but in, but I can chip in here:
The roads in Cyprus are fine, in fact the ones in the Troodos mountains are actually fun (though can be somewhat dangerous... these are mountain roads and the streets narrow to one lane in some of the towns, which also have very narrow and somewhat confusing streets).

Driving is fine as long as you know stick, BUT it is on the left side of the road, so if this is your first time you might need some getting used to.

As for the hotel, make sure it's the Hilton and not Hilton Park (the latter was pretty bad in my opinion... TV system is full of bugs, including the wake up call which is the TV turning on on mute. Get one from reception.)

From what I know the normal Hilton is within walking distance of the historic center.

Also, I can recommend Sixt. I'm used to them being more expensive, but the offer the same price (around 24 CPY) and credit back your fuel.

Hope this helps!

I was at Rome last week. I will take 1 hour by train to go to city, 1 hour to come back and 1 hour for security (it is a zoo). That let you 2 hours free...anything interesting close to Terminili Train station is 30 minutes walk...Answer: NO!

Lounge is very boring (no windows).

aad665

The subways connecting at Termini will get you to some interesting spots in about 10 to 15 minutes (Coliseum, etc.)

http://www.rome.info/metro/

http://www.enjoyrome.com/tourist/cityguide/public.transportation.html

Do be careful if you let your kids watch the TV here. They let you view the porn for free for a preview, and it's in the normal channels (high channels 18-20 or so). Not softcore either. My teenager was pretty embarassed.

Just got back from "holiday" in LCA & MXP. I met up with HeathrowGuy on my last day there (see the thread in the Hotel Deals forum for a FT'er deal).

We stayed at the Anonymous Beach Hotel (http://www.anonymoushotel.com/) in Ayia Napa - decent enough hotel on the beach & great location for walking around Ayia Napa (for the price & the fact that it had rooms with 3 single beds). I was pretty much drunk every night, so my days were spent lazing about on the beach & dipping in the pool & people watching on the med. I would highly recommend the Anonymous Beach hotel - for Ayia Napa - it's one of the cheaper places & a good pool area with a free breakfast at a decent price for being right on the beach. The rooms are bare minimum rooms, but how much time are you planning on spending in the room anyways?? (and remember, I'm a cheap person, so I stay where I find value - as long as I've got a place to crash, I'm happy).

For anyone interested in getting a tattoo, the guys at Easy Rider (http://www.easyridertattoo.com/) in the square in Ayia Napa did an great job - even though it was about 3AM when my friend Joe & I decided that we should get inked. The bars in the square all have buy 1-get 1 free specials, some have buy 1, get 2 free. We got 4 Bacardi & cokes and 2 shots of tequila for 6 pounds at the Skybar in the square.

A couple of restaurant suggestions:

In Ayia Napa - if you don't have a car, go to the square area & near Bedrock, there's a restaurant called Georgi's - excellent service. If you like meat, try the meat sampler (don't recall what it's called exactly) & the ham & melon - very sweet mellon with great prociutto (sp??).

Another place right outside of Ayia Napa between Ayia Napa & Cape Greco (you'll need a car or a taxi for this one) is a place called Andreas Limnara Tavern - Cavo Greco Street - opposite of the Kermia Hotel - telephone is 23721161 (from their biz card). The food was good & its an family owned/operated outdoor restaurant overlooking the Med. Great people - the owner has owned it for almost 30 years now & he was a very lively older gentleman who sat down & had a few drinks with us & talked the night away.

If staying at Antonios G apartments (see hotel deals forum), (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590389), get the buffet at the Mantras Tavern - it's 7 CYP per person & it's good food & you get a free drink with it. The live entertainment is a brit singing - but it's pretty funny. I was definitely drunk enough that I got onstage with some british girls & danced - good times! :D

Driving on the left hand side of the road was a breeze - it was my first time ever & I had no problems whatsoever. I rented a Honda HRV automatic from Hertz, using my corporate CDP, it was 72 CYP for 4 days. You prepay the gas, but it gets refunded when you return the tank full. It's about 15 CYP cheaper to just fill it up yourself instead of doing the pre-pay fuel.

That's it for now - PM me if you have any questions & I'll try to return the answers ASAP. Catching up on sleep today/tomorrow & working Friday & off on BT on Sunday onwards! Busy month!!!

How was the drive to Nicosia? Are the roads decent to drive on for an average American driver?


Driving was no problem & this was my first time on the left side of the road. In Nicosia, a car would be more convenient, IMHO. Also, you can take daytrips out to Ayia Napa or the Trodos if you want. The island's small enough that you can have a home base & see the entire Island in a few days!

Does anyone have any thoughts on Cyprus as a destination in February? I'm afraid it will be a little dead. I would love to hear thoughts, and definitely appreciate it if someone would ask when they're over there. ;)

Does anyone have any thoughts on Cyprus as a destination in February? I'm afraid it will be a little dead. I would love to hear thoughts, and definitely appreciate it if someone would ask when they're over there. ;)
I lived in Cyprus, it sucks in February, not a little dead, totally dead, and cold :)

I lived in Cyprus, it sucks in February, not a little dead, totally dead, and cold :)

Well, as long as I have your attention, how about mid November or late March? :) Thanks, I guess we'll rule out Feb.

Well, as long as I have your attention, how about mid November or late March? :) Thanks, I guess we'll rule out Feb.
Mid November is definitely better than late March (as far as I remember :)) November is fine, not dead. You may also consider going around the New Year, probably colder than late March but more fun

Mid November is definitely better than late March (as far as I remember :)) November is fine, not dead. You may also consider going around the New Year, probably colder than late March but more fun
Awesome. Thanks a ton for the advice!

Does anybody know how to track historical arrival times for these AZ flights in FCO or MXP?
The various flight tracking sites I use (flightaware, etc) don't show any arrival info in Italy...
Thanks for the help!
Bostonbali.

Does anybody know how to track historical arrival times for these AZ flights in FCO or MXP?
The various flight tracking sites I use (flightaware, etc) don't show any arrival info in Italy...
Thanks for the help!
Bostonbali.

flightstats.com is an awesome site with good historical info.
You can check past dates by changing the URL

Do be careful if you let your kids watch the TV here. They let you view the porn for free for a preview, and it's in the normal channels (high channels 18-20 or so). Not softcore either. My teenager was pretty embarassed.
Ok I'm excited about this. :)

I understand we get one change before we start to fly. A friend made a reservation for a ticket for himself and me. We were planning on traveling togeather. He can't go and is going to cancel his ticket and get a refund.

I've done some looking around on the thread and have not been able to find and answer to the following:

If my friend cancels his ticket,have we both in effect "touched" and made a change to the reservation; thereby, locking me in to the dates that are currently on my ticket?

My ticket is flyable and I will enjoy my three days in LCA it's in October 06. I just want the to preserve my flexabiliy before my departure date.

Thanks in Advance,

Herman

If my friend cancels his ticket,have we both in effect "touched" and made a change to the reservation; thereby, locking me in to the dates that are currently on my ticket?

My ticket is flyable and I will enjoy my three days in LCA it's in October 06. I just want the to preserve my flexabiliy before my departure date.



You're cool. Nicolo will split your reservation and they become completely separate, in terms of changes, etc.
Let your friend cancel. Just be sure the PNR is split in two first.

Do be careful if you let your kids watch the TV here. They let you view the porn for free for a preview, and it's in the normal channels (high channels 18-20 or so). Not softcore either. My teenager was pretty embarassed.

"not softcore" -- maybe the FT understatement of the year. :eek:

I don't think you'll have a problem. Nicolo split my original reservation in two itineraries - no problem at all. He is really great.

I understand we get one change before we start to fly. A friend made a reservation for a ticket for himself and me. We were planning on traveling togeather. He can't go and is going to cancel his ticket and get a refund.

I've done some looking around on the thread and have not been able to find and answer to the following:

If my friend cancels his ticket,have we both in effect "touched" and made a change to the reservation; thereby, locking me in to the dates that are currently on my ticket?

My ticket is flyable and I will enjoy my three days in LCA it's in October 06. I just want the to preserve my flexabiliy before my departure date.

Thanks in Advance,

Herman

Thanks for the information on first spliting the PNR and canceling the one ticket. LCA here I come. I have another friend teaching in Turkey who's going to meet me for a few days. He has always wanted to go to LCA, his father was stationed there as part of the UN/Canadian Peace Keepers and really liked the place.

I think it was the Canadian General Mc Kensey that said, "Peace Keeping and Hockey are the two contact sports Canadians excell at." Been around a few of the Peace Keepers having breakfast in the gressey spoons in Centre Town Ottawa. Their stories were scary.

Herman

can anyone recommend a good web site for booking rental cars? I'm generally getting about CYP40-60 per day for a sunday to tuesday rental...
thanks!

can anyone recommend a good web site for booking rental cars? I'm generally getting about CYP40-60 per day for a sunday to tuesday rental...
thanks!
Just as a note, at least in high season (now) there is a supplement on (some?) rental cars if it is a short term -- I think mine was less than 5 days. This might be contributing to higher costs for you. Seems like some have gotten decent deals from Hertz & Budget. I rented with Thrifty and cannot recommend them due to shifty money & customer (dis)service dealings. Came out fine in the end, but they tried to pull some crap.

can anyone recommend a good web site for booking rental cars? I'm generally getting about CYP40-60 per day for a sunday to tuesday rental...
thanks!
A couple of us have had good luck with AutoEurope.com.

A couple of us have had good luck with AutoEurope.com.

Auto Europe generally requires a minimum 3 day rental. They do have a 'best rate guarantee' so if you find it cheaper somewhere else, they will match or beat it. They use the major car rental companies. Had good experience with them.

I flew AZ via BOS, Lousy plane that 767 everything was kept together with Duck-tape, I asked if this 767 was the 1st one Boeing ever made thats how bad it was

wow. :rolleyes:

unappreciative much?

wow. :rolleyes:

unappreciative much?
Must one base how safe/airworthy an aircraft appears only upon price paid?

The aircraft doesn't get any nicer or worse depending on how much someone paid for a seat. Also, remember that people pay full Y-fares sometimes while other people get deeply-discounted coach seats. Do those with the super cheap discounted fares have less of a right to complain (or even to compliment)?

can anyone recommend a good web site for booking rental cars? I'm generally getting about CYP40-60 per day for a sunday to tuesday rental...
thanks!

http://www.thrifty.com.cy/

Must one base how safe/airworthy an aircraft appears only upon price paid?

The aircraft doesn't get any nicer or worse depending on how much someone paid for a seat. Also, remember that people pay full Y-fares sometimes while other people get deeply-discounted coach seats. Do those with the super cheap discounted fares have less of a right to complain (or even to compliment)?

Very good point.

Many who have had the experience of flying on this ticket have given us their candid views of AZ's product. Some of it good and some of it not so good. In general I think this feedback is helpful for those who will fly AZ in the future or those considering purchasing AZ's product. It can also be helpful to those of us lucky enough to flown on these itineraries--we can judge our experiences in light of others who have had similar experiences.

That is part of the power of flyertalk.com. We can read the diversity of opinions concerning various travel products and make a better informed decision ourself. It would be a shame if this diversity were lost. This diversity is threatened, imho, if we feel pressure to only make positive comments about the various travel products out there--especially based on how much we paid for the product.

Well, I'm flying out tomorrow and returing on 9/1. When/if I write my review, I won't be pulling any punches. If service is good, I will report it. If the seats have stains, marks, tears, etc., I will report it. I don't base my reports on how much I paid or didn't pay.

As I have done no international air traveling in my life, I have a newbie question regarding checked-baggage allowances for these tickets: does the allowance vary from leg to leg depending on class flown and origin and destination of each leg, or do the most lenient checked-baggage rules of any flight on the itinerary apply to all flights? In other words, AZ allows two checked bags of 32 kg each on flights between Italy and the US/Canada, but their domestic (intra-Italy) flight allowance seems to be one bag of 20 kg max. So obviously I can take 2x32 kg bags overseas, but during the course of my itinerary I have a FCO-MXP flight with a stopover in MXP. Will they allow me to check 2x32 kg bags on that flight without penalty?

I note that on my paper tickets, there are columns labeled "SEQ NO." "ALLOW" "PCS" and "CK. WT" which I strongly presume deal with baggage, and under the "ALLOW" column on each and every one of the tickets is printed "PC2". It would seem to me that means I am allowed two pieces of checked baggage (32 kg each?) on each leg (even intra-Italy). Or is this wishful thinking on my part?

Has anyone recently had success using there one free change to drop the mxp-lca portion?

Has anyone recently had success using there one free change to drop the mxp-lca portion?

I don't recall that they have had success doing so before their journey began. Nicolo has been clear that AZ is not allowing people to drop the lca legs.

I think that I saw something recently...within the last couple of weeks?... that someone was able to make a second change relative to his lca legs mid-journey at the airport in Italy...but it was not a drop. See post 7764

As I have done no international air traveling in my life, I have a newbie question regarding checked-baggage allowances for these tickets: does the allowance vary from leg to leg depending on class flown and origin and destination of each leg, or do the most lenient checked-baggage rules of any flight on the itinerary apply to all flights? In other words, AZ allows two checked bags of 32 kg each on flights between Italy and the US/Canada, but their domestic (intra-Italy) flight allowance seems to be one bag of 20 kg max. So obviously I can take 2x32 kg bags overseas, but during the course of my itinerary I have a FCO-MXP flight with a stopover in MXP. Will they allow me to check 2x32 kg bags on that flight without penalty?

I note that on my paper tickets, there are columns labeled "SEQ NO." "ALLOW" "PCS" and "CK. WT" which I strongly presume deal with baggage, and under the "ALLOW" column on each and every one of the tickets is printed "PC2". It would seem to me that means I am allowed two pieces of checked baggage (32 kg each?) on each leg (even intra-Italy). Or is this wishful thinking on my part?

I personally have not checked AZ's luggage allowance for transatlantic flights. Most airlines have gone to 50 pounds/23 kilos per bag. But if AZ is still 70 pounds/32 kilos per bag as you state, you are allowed that allowance for all flights that are on your ticket (even wholly within Europe or Italy) which includes the transatlantic flight. If you happen to purchase a separate ticket for a flight within Italy to 'bridge a gap' then that separate ticket has the lower luggage allowance (20 kilos total). Often airlines will not charge you excess luggage for the separately ticketed flight if you produce the transatlantic ticket, but that is totally at the discretion of the check-in agent.

I have searched the posts here but cannot find the answer, so would appreciate any help. I called Nicolo and made my changes. When I went to IAD to get the reissued tickets, they insisted that I pay $20 per ticket for this service. I disputed this, but they said I would have to pay and take it up with Alitalia later. I paid.

Who was right?

I have searched the posts here but cannot find the answer, so would appreciate any help. I called Nicolo and made my changes. When I went to IAD to get the reissued tickets, they insisted that I pay $20 per ticket for this service. I disputed this, but they said I would have to pay and take it up with Alitalia later. I paid.

Who did you reticket with? The Alitalia desk? I've never heard of the $20 fee before. In the long run, not a lot, but it would be nice to know if they're trying to apply it across the board.

Not sure where to post this--I'm in MXP now, just a few days in Cyprus (a string of bad luck made it almost unbearable--temps over 100 degrees, humid, blazing sun--even the locals were complaining. It was so hot the government banned outside work in the daytime between noon and 4pm. Worst of all for me, which pretty much ruined the trip: the HI Limassol's air conditioning went AWOL for about 30 of my 44 hours there. :mad:
I spent my nights with the doors all open, since it was "cooler" outside, but with NO breeze....laying in bed sweating. Spent most of days sleeping. Didn't see or do much.
Cyprus Air was ok, but a bit chaotic and long waits on the tarmac inside the bus were unbearable with the terrible heat. Enjoyed flying with 3 other FTers--we all met on the YYZ-FCO flight, which offered excellent, efficient service and good IFE. Food was decent, we all got our bags in LCA.
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In today's Cyprus Mail newspaper, there was a short article warning that CY pilots' union is scheduled for a 48-hour STRIKE set to begin on Thursday 8/24 at 12:01am. If you're supposed to fly on the 24th or 25th, check ahead to be sure.
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Rental Cars: I had reserved both Budget and Avis ahead of time, both cancellable. Budget had no record of my (nor another FTer's!) reservation; the guy seemed like this happened all the time.
Avis' web site didn't mention the mandatory and non-refundable CYL40 (US$100+!) fuel charge, so I just cancelled that one.
I ended up trolling around all the counters, finding out prices and inclusions, etc.... prices for an automatic car were best at PAPSOS? I can't remember the firm's name. Their price of 38CYL/day included CWD, also VAT. They also offered a refundable fuel charge--if you bring it back full, they immediately refund your CC. I had a Honda Civic that worked fine. Not cheap, but cheaper than the rest.
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The FCO lounge, while difficult to find, was fine, though really nothing to eat at all. Great showers with a shower pack! Just ask at the desk.
Going tomorrow MXP-YYZ.
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Staying at the Le Meridien Gallia in front of the Central Station--a lovely older hotel, I have the coolest room! A foyer, a huge bathroom with beveled mirrors and frescoes on the ceiling. Yes a bit older furnishings, but actually it's in quite good shape. Very friendly service at check-in and from concierge.
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If you're staying anywhere near the Central Station, you can take the airport bus for 5/9 Euro OW/RT. Excellent! 45 minutes door to door.
Everything seems to be closed in Milan in August--but also kinda nice, with no traffic, feels very sleepy and relaxed.

I personally have not checked AZ's luggage allowance for transatlantic flights. Most airlines have gone to 50 pounds/23 kilos per bag. But if AZ is still 70 pounds/32 kilos per bag as you state, you are allowed that allowance for all flights that are on your ticket (even wholly within Europe or Italy) which includes the transatlantic flight. If you happen to purchase a separate ticket for a flight within Italy to 'bridge a gap' then that separate ticket has the lower luggage allowance (20 kilos total). Often airlines will not charge you excess luggage for the separately ticketed flight if you produce the transatlantic ticket, but that is totally at the discretion of the check-in agent.Thank you very much for your response fti. I hadn't even thought about the baggage issue until the other day and I suddenly became worried about the difficulty (I know, I know, I gotta learn how to pack light :) ) of cramming 10 days worth of winter clothes+souveniers+whatever else into one <20kg bag due to the FCO-MXP-stopover portion of my itinerary. I should have been more clear in my previous post, the 2x32kg allowance on North America-Italy flights is for Magnifica only. The economy allowance is 2x23kg.


For the record, in case anyone else was wondering:

"Passengers are allowed to take the following amount of luggage with them:

- Domestic flights: 20 kg max
- International flights: Business class max 30 kg; Economy class max 20 kg (weight concept)
- USA, Canada, Mexico (piece concept): Magnifica class: 2 suitcases 32 kg max each, 158 cm max each (*); Economy class: 2 suitcases 23 kg max each, 158 cm max each
- Brazil (piece concept): Magnifica class: 2 suitcases 32 kg max each, 158 cm max each (*); Economy class: 2 suitcases 32 kg max each, total (*) for both pieces 273 cm, of which one of the two may not exceed 158 cm

(*) Sum of length + width + depth

Excess baggage will have to be paid on any baggage which exceeds these limits at check-in. For further explanations, please consult the General Information (http://www.alitaliausa.com/information/baggage/index.htm) for baggage transport."

Source: Alitalia Baggage FAQ (http://www.alitaliausa.com/footer/faq/baggage.htm)

Who did you reticket with? The Alitalia desk? I've never heard of the $20 fee before. In the long run, not a lot, but it would be nice to know if they're trying to apply it across the board.

Yes, the Alitalia desk.

I have searched the posts here but cannot find the answer, so would appreciate any help. I called Nicolo and made my changes. When I went to IAD to get the reissued tickets, they insisted that I pay $20 per ticket for this service. I disputed this, but they said I would have to pay and take it up with Alitalia later. I paid.

Who was right?
I got my tickets reissued at ORD last month after making changes with Nicolo and they didn't ask me to pay anything. At $20 per ticket it would have been cheaper (although less convenient) at that point to say "Never mind," and call Nicolo back and tell him you were going to send the tickets in to him instead.

Cyprus (a string of bad luck made it almost unbearable--temps over 100 degrees, humid, blazing sun--even the locals were complaining.

i was in cyprus august 10-15 before moving on to the south of france. the weather in cyprus was amazing...highs around 80 with no humidity and nothing but sun. as we were there, it got a bit warmer each day. the last day was even a tad sticky and the locals were surprised. it was probably 86 and humid the last day.

the weather was amazing. i stayed in pafos. the drive from LCA to pafos was amazing since it looked like it hadn't rained in about three years.

i was considering the le meridien given my spg platinum status but i didn't care for the area. seeing the area once i got there, i am glad i chose pafos.

the weather at night was unbelievably amazing...perfect. sorry it got unbearable when you arrived. i guess life is all about timing.

For those of you trying to rebook your dates in these periods, they have loaded into the computer now.

April 3rd is the last date I could get a codeshare out of LCA, with a April 5th out of MXP. I think the April 5th date is very tight, maybe only one seat left. I'd jump on rebooking if you're trying to push the envelope like me.

just as an fyi...

i was booked in coach from rome (FCO) to lanarca (LCA) and LCA to milan (MXP).

i couldn't get it upgraded at FCO but i was able to plead for an upgrade once i got to LCA for my return flight to MXP.

when you get to the ticket counter, you have to ask for the Alitalia rep and, if there is room, you have a chance.

Any idea what happened to the YYZ-MXP flight on 12/27? It's not showing up anywhere.

From post #7703 and following, this flight was cancelled for Wednesdays but I just noticed it is now reinstated. Good news for those of us booked for Wednesdays in either direction.

just as an fyi...

i was booked in coach from rome (FCO) to lanarca (LCA) and LCA to milan (MXP).

i couldn't get it upgraded at FCO but i was able to plead for an upgrade once i got to LCA for my return flight to MXP.

when you get to the ticket counter, you have to ask for the Alitalia rep and, if there is room, you have a chance.

Is there a big difference between CY coach and business?

Is there a big difference between CY coach and business?

it's a long flight, so every bit helps.

rome (fco) to lanarca (lca) had 2-2 configuration with nice recaro-like first class seats. lca to milan (mxp) was 3-3 with no one in the middle. that config wasn't as nice.

anybody flying today 8/23?

My FCO-LCA was just standard seats in FC, but a couple of the seats had been stretched to the middle seat was only 1/2 width. However my seats were all together (I would have split them up if I had known), so other than drinks and food, no difference at all from D to Y.

I still have the Cyprus travel map by Globetrotter. It's been about a month since someone claimed it but I haven't heard anything from him since so I guess it's up for grabs again.

Anyone want it? PM me first and it yours.

EDIT: Map has been claimed. :)

I still have the Cyprus travel map by Globetrotter. It's been about a month since someone claimed it but I haven't heard anything from him since so I guess it's up for grabs again.

Anyone want it? PM me first and it yours.

EDIT: Map has been claimed. :)

You have PM!

You have PM!

It's been gone for hours. I missed it too!

It's been gone for hours. I missed it too!

Me three. I PM'ed The_Nomad about a 1/2 hour after it was claimed... Remember, you can get decent maps FOR FREE when you arrive at the tourist information at LCA airport!

I will be arriving into YYZ on Saturday around 2:25pm from FCO. I have a flight leaving terminal 3 and I arrive terminal 1. How long will it take to get my baggage and go to terminal 3?

I sent my tickets back to Nicolo about three weeks ago and still have not had the refund posted to my credit card. For those of you who requested a complete refund, how long does it usually take?

I've never really got this thread - was the deal sooo great it justified 6x more posts than the 2nd most popular thread of all time here in the M.R. forum? Can someone scratch my itch, so to speak?

I've never really got this thread - was the deal sooo great it justified 6x more posts than the 2nd most popular thread of all time here in the M.R. forum? Can someone scratch my itch, so to speak?

Obviously it did, since you responded to it.

Much of it had to do with the great deal, then the cancellation, then reticketing, then changing dates, etc, etc, etc. A FT soap opera, if you like.

Obviously it did, since you responded to it.

Much of it had to do with the great deal, then the cancellation, then reticketing, then changing dates, etc, etc, etc. A FT soap opera, if you like.

Don't forget we went out and seeked publicity in the news channel; generating even more interest.

I will be arriving into YYZ on Saturday around 2:25pm from FCO. I have a flight leaving terminal 3 and I arrive terminal 1. How long will it take to get my baggage and go to terminal 3?

Assuming your flight is on time, allow 1/2 hour from disembarkation to get to immigration. Add at least 5-10 minutes to get through immigration and customs + wait for your bags at least 1/2 hr), then shuttle bus to T3 where you have to preclear U.S. entry. I wouldn't try to do it in less than 2 1/2 hours assuming an ontime arrival.

Had to cancel one of my trips today. Travel is not allowed after April 1, 2007. So everyone be aware of the restriction.

My original trip was for February 8 return February 12, 2007 and wanted to reschedule to see Cyprus in the Summer time.

I've never really got this thread - was the deal sooo great it justified 6x more posts than the 2nd most popular thread of all time here in the M.R. forum? Can someone scratch my itch, so to speak?

there is also an inordinate amount of gibberish in this thread such as: (1) celebrating post milestones (i.e., wow, we hit 100 posts, etc.), (2) posts that should be personal messages (i.e., "i am in the computer room at the AZ lounge right now, you here?"), and (3) posts that should be in another place because they don't relate to the fare deal and/or aspects of the fare such as whether changes are allowed, etc. these posts that should be in another place include stuff on hotels and rental cars, etc.

i should also include posts such as: (4) "nicolo is such a great guy" and "i wonder if he likes wine or chocolate?", etc. which are not insignificant in number. (nicolo is a great guy, don't get me wrong.)

that is a reason why this thread is so long....gibberish posts...including this very one and yours. :p ;)

Assuming your flight is on time, allow 1/2 hour from disembarkation to get to immigration. Add at least 5-10 minutes to get through immigration and customs + wait for your bags at least 1/2 hr), then shuttle bus to T3 where you have to preclear U.S. entry. I wouldn't try to do it in less than 2 1/2 hours assuming an ontime arrival.

Note, there is now a train running between T1 and T3 in YYZ, which is regular and efficient, it is well signposted and better than the bus.

Had to cancel one of my trips today. Travel is not allowed after April 1, 2007. So everyone be aware of the restriction.

My original trip was for February 8 return February 12, 2007 and wanted to reschedule to see Cyprus in the Summer time.
Uncomfortable. Summer in Cyprus is dry and very, very, very hot as some of the recent LCA travellers have noted.
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Uncomfortable. Summer in Cyprus is dry and very, very, very hot as some of the recent LCA travellers have noted.

it was quite comfortable august 10-15.

Uncomfortable. Summer in Cyprus is dry and very, very, very hot as some of the recent LCA travellers have noted.

Well then, get in the water.

What did you want? The frigid tundra of Siberia?

When I was there the first week of August, it was not that bad. I'll take Cyprus weather in Aug over here in Houston

Had to cancel one of my trips today. Travel is not allowed after April 1, 2007. So everyone be aware of the restriction.

My original trip was for February 8 return February 12, 2007 and wanted to reschedule to see Cyprus in the Summer time.

I just rebooked this week for early April dates, so I think you're a bit off. The last date possible is 1 year from the date you were ticketed. I believe almost everyone here got their ticket on April 5th, so that date in 2007 would be the end of the road.

I was there for the same time period as Renard. Central Cyprus can be a bit hot at times. If you head to the beaches, it's much cooler (and much more interesting) than much of the Lefkosia/Nicosia area.

The hottest day for me was when I walked over to the Turkish side. This gate is not very well marked, and you have to walk near some buildings with some obvious signs of gunfire. The market (old market?) is something that you won't mind if you miss it. Knock off clothing, old looking fruit and mostly uninteresting nicknacks.

I just rebooked this week for early April dates, so I think you're a bit off. The last date possible is 1 year from the date you were ticketed. I believe almost everyone here got their ticket on April 5th, so that date in 2007 would be the end of the road.
So does that mean travel must commence by, let's say April 4, and be completed 1 year from then??
YYZ-MXP April 4 Stop..MXP-LCA-MXP-YYZ July 07??
Or must travel be completed by April 5 07?

So does that mean travel must commence by, let's say April 4, and be completed 1 year from then??
YYZ-MXP April 4 Stop..MXP-LCA-MXP-YYZ July 07??
Or must travel be completed by April 5 07?

Nicolo told me all travel needs to be completed by your ticketed date. April 5th.

When I was there the first week of August, it was not that bad. I'll take Cyprus weather in Aug over here in Houston
I completely agree! Cyprus in August is high season, exactly because it's great beach weather for those from Western and Northern Europe, where it's often cool, damp, and gray, even in summer.
The only reason I was miserable is because of the Holiday Inn having no air conditioning.
How would Houston be in August with no a/c?
:)

I just got a call from Nicolo, and it appears that Cheap Tickets dated my first ticket (originally scheduled for July 4) on April 4th, not the 5th. I purchased it just after midnight, Pacific time, but for some reason cheap tickets didn't date the ticket on the 5th, but the 4th. Needless to say, this really messed up my return flight. So much for hanging on the beach. :(

Live and learn, I guess.

How was the movie selection on these flights?

My flight is in mid September and I havent seen a single movie since late June. Wonder if I'll be able to see some of the lastest movies from the last few months.

I sent my tickets back to Nicolo about three weeks ago and still have not had the refund posted to my credit card. For those of you who requested a complete refund, how long does it usually take?


I have had two refunds (out of 7 tickets) requested and it showed up on my AMEX within a few days.

The reamining 5 are good to go. The two cancelled tix were SO and BF.

The two cancelled tix were SO and BF.Significant Other and Boy Friend? You are quite a juggler!
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Hey all,

I changed my dates with Nicolo last week. The trip summary on Orbitz immediately showed the old dates as well as the new dates for the same trip. I checked today, and it still shows the dates for both the old and new. Do I need to do anything about this? Or will it be ok on its own? Old dates were end of Sept, new dates end of Dec. Thanks.

I bought a lot of stuff during my trip last week and ended up checking a bag in MXP. Mine and those of several others in business class (and economy too based on the numbers of people I saw) did not make it.

The two great folks I met on the LCA-MXP flight yesterday who continued on today on the fare error did so without their bags joining them in YYZ. I wonder if they made their onward flight considering they were checking in about 15 minutes before scheduled departure lol.

In my case, I have plenty to say about this trip, the destination and AZ/CY. I will be putting together some notes in the next couple days and reporting back. Overall, I was very pleased with AZ before I left Milano this morning. Things only got better... I got off the Malpensa Express train around 10:10 am, feeling pretty good that I had a couple hours before my 12:40 pm flight. Somewhere on the escalator to check in, I realized my flight was at 10:40, not 12:40. This was just one of the many crazy adventures I enjoyed on this trip.

Suffice to say AZ handled MY mistake fabulously, expediting checkin at who knows what counter (the YYZ counters were already closed), escorting me through security and immigration lines and taking me right to the gate and ensuring I got on comfortably. I was very impressed.

Again, more notes later, but this was a great trip for me. I've bought and flown several errors but AZ handled this very well. Bravo.

P.S. No, I wasn't surprised or upset in the least that my bag did not make the flight.

Feel free to PM me in the meantime if you have specific questions about Cyprus (Nicosia, Limassol, etc.).

Cheers

AZ 650 fco-yyz landed at Gander, CA today 8/28. any information why?

the return az 651 yyz-fco is delayed by 2.5 hrs, oh well.....

AZ 650 fco-yyz landed at Gander, CA today 8/28. any information why?

the return az 651 yyz-fco is delayed by 2.5 hrs, oh well.....

A man boarded in FCO and looked like he was already dead :eek: . As soon as I saw him, I knew he wasn't going to make it through the flight. Just before Gander, he struggled to get to the bathroom and never made it back. The crew announced we would drop him off, and be back on track to YYZ in 30 minutes.

We ran into problems because there was no technician to sign the paperwork for the 767 in Gander :confused:. I never really understood what the problem was, but it turned into a 3 1/2 hour wait with very few announcements from the crew and no water service. The crew basically hid in the front galley the entire time.

During the delay, other passengers were talking about an argument among staff at FCO as to whether or not he should travel. Sounds like the wrong person won that argument.

For me and my 7 month pregnant wife, it turned into missing any flight to the west coast, loss of upgrades, and an evening at the Park Plaza YYZ and an RJ flight to IAH in the morning. :td: :td: :td:

May his soul rest in peace.

Has anyone credited this to nw? If so, how many eqm did it yield? I would like to know so I can plan my mile allocation. Thanks

My family and I would like to cancel the LCA segments on YYZ-MXP-LCA-FCO-BOS. Is our best bet to try and accomplish this at YYZ or MXP ? Thanks

Has anyone credited this to nw? If so, how many eqm did it yield? I would like to know so I can plan my mile allocation. Thanks I credited to NW. Via FCO it was 6621 EQM, via MXP 6179.

Credit only for the transatlantic segments; the CY-op seg got the dreaded N ("Activity does not qualify for credit.")

Edit: Doesn't matter problem solved :)

Has anyone credited this to nw? If so, how many eqm did it yield? I would like to know so I can plan my mile allocation. Thanks


YYZ - MXP 4,119
50% Class Bonus 2,060


125% Platinum Elite Bonus 5,149

Hi
I could use a bit of help in planning out trip to Cyprus. We leave on Friday and I think I left things a bit late:

1. Planning on arriving in Larnaca and staying there for the night then renting a car and taking off the next am. ANy idea of a decent cheapish hotel in LCA to stay the one night? I am assuming we will be too tired to drive out of LCA that night?

2. We want to rent a open roof but all we can find are manuals. Anyone ahve any luck in renting an open roof automatic?

Thanks guys and gals!!!

Your questions can be answered in the LCA Trip Report or the LCA Destinations thread.

Your questions can be answered in the LCA Trip Report or the LCA Destinations thread.


Not really. Jsut read through 10 pages with little mention of a decent place for an overnight in LCA or about open roofs.

Most of it is about AZ service in J.

My family and I would like to cancel the LCA segments on YYZ-MXP-LCA-FCO-BOS. Is our best bet to try and accomplish this at YYZ or MXP ? Thanks

Good luck. Seems to me it can not be done, from what has already been posted on this board (except very early on when just a couple of people were able to do it).

Hi
I could use a bit of help in planning out trip to Cyprus. We leave on Friday and I think I left things a bit late:

1. Planning on arriving in Larnaca and staying there for the night then renting a car and taking off the next am. ANy idea of a decent cheapish hotel in LCA to stay the one night? I am assuming we will be too tired to drive out of LCA that night?

2. We want to rent a open roof but all we can find are manuals. Anyone ahve any luck in renting an open roof automatic?

Thanks guys and gals!!!

Heathrowguy posted (http://web2.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6227963&postcount=1) this special for FT's that are staying in Larnaca. I must mention that reviews are mixed concerning this hotel.

Good luck. Seems to me it can not be done, from what has already been posted on this board (except very early on when just a couple of people were able to do it).

i thought cyprus was great and a bit of a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. sure, one can visit cyprus. but, it's not the first place that comes to mind. one can visit rome or milan, etc. anytime. but, i wouldn't necessarily think of cyprus. and, now that i am back, i am glad i went. the weather was tremendous and the greek food was very good. i had a very good time. not sure why people are so anxious to get out of this leg....

i thought cyprus was great and a bit of a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. sure, one can visit cyprus. but, it's not the first place that comes to mind. one can visit rome or milan, etc. anytime. but, i wouldn't necessarily think of cyprus. and, now that i am back, i am glad i went. the weather was tremendous and the greek food was very good. i had a very good time. not sure why people are so anxious to get out of this leg....

I agree totally. The trip was great and I may even go back in the future.

Because we'd rather spend a week in Italy.

Because we'd rather spend a week in Italy.

italy is easy. you can do that anytime. cyprus is a bit more difficult and you are getting the italy-cyprus ticket included.

I'm really sick of seeing this wickedly overused thread on the MR forum. As of 8/30/2006, 529 pages, almost 4 months, over 7900 posts and 430,000 views for a fare that is nonexistant.....I think it's time to move on....

I think it's time to move on....

Be my guest. Move on. No one is forcing you to read it :)

this thread is too friggin long to search. I wanted to know if it's OK to give gifts to Nicolo. If it is, I was thinking of matting one of my photos for him. Is he into art or photography at all? I'm not a spectacular photographer, but I'm pretty darned good and I, as of this date, only work with film. Including color. Thanks.

We gave him small gifts: chocolates, etc.. some have mentioned resturant certs, etc... I was told my the assistant there that he is into foood and snacks and all.. so no problem in giving a small gift... So what kinda picture are you giving him? of yourself?

I'm really sick of seeing this wickedly overused thread on the MR forum. As of 8/30/2006, 529 pages, almost 4 months, over 7900 posts and 430,000 views for a fare that is nonexistant.....I think it's time to move on....

i agree that this thread has turned into a dumping ground for gibberish that is totally unrelated to the "wickedly" great fare. (it still makes me smile when i see the work "wickedly," i have to admit.)

but, i think i addressed many of the reasons why this thread is too long a few posts ago. in short, people are using this thread for silly things such as, but certainly not limited to: (1) (non)-informational entries memorializing post milestones (e.g., "wow, we hit 100 posts), (2) personal posts (e.g., "hey, i am in the FCO AZ lounge now, you here?") which should be PM'd, not posted publicly, (3) other miscellany gibberish such as gifts for nicolo and this very post as well as yours, and (4) posts relating to travel once in cyprus/europe/middle east (rental cars, hotels, trip reports) which probably should be posted elsewhere.

none of these posts relate to the "wickedly" low airfare but for some reason they are housed here.

As with many other "fare mistakes", "deals" and "great fares", the threads will live on till the last person takes his/her flight.. there will be excitement regarding the fare and travel.. many people will post non relevant info..just deal with it. If you've already travelled and/or dont want to read this thread, then you dont have to. For those looking for relevant information: the first page of this thread is updated regularly with relevant info... you can just go there...

I noticed the Q4 AA-Citibank Reduced Mileage awards are now on display.
YYZ is included once again for 17500 miles.
Pretty cheap way to start an LCA run !

Wondering if anyone has looked via Travel and Transport (Advanced Configuration) (http://www.tandt.com/online_reservation.asp) site to pull up availabilities today. I was on their last night finding available D seats, but today, when I checked, the return segment from Oct. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 all showed flights other than AZ. The flights to MXP are still the standard AZ 653, but it doesn't have any returns on AZ. I didn't try looking further, since those were the dates that I'm interested in.

(FYI, I was logged in using the advanced search configuration, looking for Biz class fare only). Any ideas? Can someone confirm what I'm seeing on another site, i.e. KVS?

Thanks in advance.

We gave him small gifts: chocolates, etc.. some have mentioned resturant certs, etc... I was told my the assistant there that he is into foood and snacks and all.. so no problem in giving a small gift... So what kinda picture are you giving him? of yourself?


Well, I was thinking about a shot I took in PDX of the Powell's book store sign after the ice/snow storm back in 1/04 with snow still on the ground. Either that or some cool B & W shots I took at the rapidly eroding beaches of the WA coast.

Wondering if anyone has looked via Travel and Transport (Advanced Configuration) (http://www.tandt.com/online_reservation.asp) site to pull up availabilities today. I was on their last night finding available D seats, but today, when I checked, the return segment from Oct. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 all showed flights other than AZ. The flights to MXP are still the standard AZ 653, but it doesn't have any returns on AZ. I didn't try looking further, since those were the dates that I'm interested in.

(FYI, I was logged in using the advanced search configuration, looking for Biz class fare only). Any ideas? Can someone confirm what I'm seeing on another site, i.e. KVS?

Thanks in advance.

[KVS Availability Tool 2.3.0/Gold - Apollo: ITN/US-TNT] (http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/Tool/?R)
MXP Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC]
YYZ Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
FRI 13 Oct 2006

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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AZ 652 MXP 10:40 YYZ 14:00 762 0 J1 D5 I3 Y0 B0 M0 H0 K0 V0 T0 N0 L0 W0


[KVS Availability Tool 2.3.0/Gold - Apollo: ITN/US-TNT] (http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/Tool/?R)
MXP Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC]
YYZ Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
TUE 17 Oct 2006

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------
AZ 652 MXP 10:40 YYZ 14:00 762 0 J0 D7 I5 Y0 B0 M0 H0 K0 V0 T0 N0 L0 W0


[KVS Availability Tool 2.3.0/Gold - Apollo: ITN/US-TNT] (http://KVS.UnrealNetwork.com/Tool/?R)
MXP Milan Malpensa IT [LIMC]
YYZ Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
TUE 17 Oct 2006

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- --------------------------------------
AZ 652 MXP 10:40 YYZ 14:00 762 0 J0 D7 I5 Y0 B0 M0 H0 K0 V0 T0 N0 L0 W0


As you can see, there is definitely D bucket availability on most of the dates.