Most of the examples that come to mind are less than $100 because they are free.

1. One is staring us in the face. FREQUENT FLYER MILES!! Cash in a boatload of frequent flyer miles for an unrestricted biz fare. Some will say this costs more than $100, but I'm sure there are others who could score 100,000+ FF miles without spending a dime.

2. Airline comps. I once had a case where I was denied boarding, and was giving a voucher for a complimentary space available biz RT within the next year. Once in a lifetime, but nevertheless, it does happen.

3. Group fares, especially for the tour coordinator. Book 10 people at a discounted group rate, and the group leader goes for free. Happens all the time.

4. UAL recently have a promotion "fly X times, get a Biz/1st flight whereever we fly"

5. Then there is the standard Amex Plat / Ameniti scam "buy one full fare, GET ONE FREE" special? From the perspective of GET ONE FREE, that is an unrestricted tix for less than $100!

I think gldwebs was looking for standalone fares that were publicly available...

Because a PNR stores everything you can always pull the original fare rules at the time of ticketing. For instance. If you buy a non refundable ticket and then not use it and use that ticket to buy a refundable ticket. It would never be refundable because the orginal fare rules would still prevail.

Given a still valid ticket, how do airline/travel agency reps pull up the fare rules if the PNR goes stale/expires and is no longer readily accessible by the airline/travel agency reps? Can the airline rep pull up the fare rules by ticket number?

I think gldwebs was looking for standalone fares that were publicly available...

T&C can't be changed after the fact :D I want my $100, ****it!! :p

Given a still valid ticket, how do airline/travel agency reps pull up the fare rules if the PNR goes stale/expires and is no longer readily accessible by the airline/travel agency reps? Can the airline rep pull up the fare rules by ticket number?

Yes it's by the ticket number. It takes a bit of work. But it can be done.

Yes it's by the ticket number. It takes a bit of work. But it can be done.

Is there a better chance that the original fare rules -- meaning the fare rules at time of original ticketing -- will be pulled up by ticket number (than say by PNR)?

I am hoping -- wishful thinking as it may be??? -- that a looking up of the fare rules by ticket number would increase the likelihood that the original ticket fare rules would be honored.

Frustrated that so many other CT customers are getting their tickets taken care of, but not me, I called again...Spoke with Alitalia: Told me CT must reinstate. Called CT: Told me it's an Alitalia problem, and they must reinstate.

Asked Jessie (great csr, BTW) to call Alitalia and get the ball rolling. On hold a while longer, and was told the Alitalia desk they needed to speak to was not back until Monday. She noted I am FINE....especially since I have been told three times this is a valid ticket and will be "reinstated" with no problems. She gave me the tracking numbers for the original tickets, which show as follows (read bottom up):

EAGAN, MN, US 04/08/2006 4:50 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
04/08/2006 12:20 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
WAUSAU, WI, US 04/07/2006 9:16 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
04/07/2006 7:45 P.M. RECEIVER HAS REFUSED THE DELIVERY OF THE PACKAGE. (DOMESTIC RETURNED TO SENDER, INTERNATIONAL - SENDER IS CONTACTED);PACKAGE RETURNED TO SENDER
04/07/2006 11:54 A.M. RECEIVER STATED THEY DID NOT ORDER AND REFUSED THIS DELIVERY
04/07/2006 7:00 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
04/07/2006 5:50 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
EAGAN, MN, US 04/07/2006 2:25 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
EAGAN, MN, US 04/06/2006 7:35 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
MINNEAPOLIS, MN, US 04/06/2006 7:20 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
04/06/2006 5:07 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
LOUISVILLE, KY, US 04/06/2006 4:11 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
WAUSAU, WI, US 04/06/2006 11:24 A.M. A DELIVERY CHANGE REQUEST FOR THIS PACKAGE WILL BE PROCESSED;RETURN TO SENDER PENDING
LOUISVILLE, KY, US 04/06/2006 8:45 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
NASHVILLE, TN, US 04/06/2006 2:36 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
NASHVILLE, TN, US 04/05/2006 10:30 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
04/05/2006 9:34 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
04/05/2006 6:48 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN
US 04/05/2006 5:24 P.M. BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED

In other words, never delivered:(

Jessie told me there was a schedule change, too...so we'll see what THAT is. Frankly, I'll be glad to get tickets and battle it out in a few weeks. But at least CT is battling it out for us:)

From what I read, I think there's only a few, if any, of CT tickets got taken care of. I received my paper tickets Fri but that's about it. CT and Apollo is showing my trips as cancelled. As other mentioned no point to call now. At least wait until Monday when AZ people are back to work.

04/07/2006 7:45 P.M. RECEIVER HAS REFUSED THE DELIVERY OF THE PACKAGE. (DOMESTIC RETURNED TO SENDER, INTERNATIONAL - SENDER IS CONTACTED);PACKAGE RETURNED TO SENDER
04/07/2006 11:54 A.M. RECEIVER STATED THEY DID NOT ORDER AND REFUSED THIS DELIVERY I'd like to know where this BS comes from! My tracking info said something similar so I called UPS, played dumb and found out delivery was scrapped due to "insufficient contents". :rolleyes:

I have one set of tix (expedited) and itin shows "confirmed" in Galileo ViewTrip. Is that promising?

I'd like to know where this BS comes from! My tracking info said something similar so I called UPS, played dumb and found out delivery was scrapped due to "insufficient contents". :rolleyes:

I have one set of tix (expedited) and itin shows "confirmed" in Galileo ViewTrip. Is that promising?

... is insufficient contents?

I'd like to know where this BS comes from! My tracking info said something similar so I called UPS, played dumb and found out delivery was scrapped due to "insufficient contents". :rolleyes:

I have one set of tix (expedited) and itin shows "confirmed" in Galileo ViewTrip. Is that promising?


For those who have tickets coming via UPS, and have some "bs" type stuff on the tracking information, ie RECEIVER STATED THEY DID NOT ORDER AND REFUSED THIS DELIVERY, LOCATION VACANT, etc... More than likely your "tickets" are still at the local UPS office. Call them up, ask where you can pickup, or if they can be delivered again. This happened to me, called, and talked to a very nice CS agent who told me, "No problem. Where would you like us to delivery this?" Expecting my tickets (2nd delivery) at the workplace now, so someone is there to get them. YMMV

From what I read, I think there's only a few, if any, of CT tickets got taken care of. I received my paper tickets Fri but that's about it. CT and Apollo is showing my trips as cancelled. As other mentioned no point to call now. At least wait until Monday when AZ people are back to work.

There are several if you read back in this thread. And of this several, many who were booked after me both in the time of booking and the dates of travel. I simply grew weary of waiting for an answer so decided to call back...better to 'keep on them' IMHO and get yet another confirmation than do nothing.

Don't know if anyone else saw Wyatt Riot's very interesting post at http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=545969 , but if you didn't then check it out. He talks about how the whole ticketing process works and how error fares are dealt with.

Can I ask you all of you a question, please... As being a newbie to this, on Wednesday morning I ran across a $190 fare to Cyprus thanks to FlyerTalk. I booked my ticket at about at about 12:30 AM PST, and got the following info from cheaptickets, at 12:45 AM PST:

Passenger(s): Mr. North.by.Northwest
Air Canada record locator: XXXXXX
American Airlines record locator: XXXXXX
Alitalia record locator: XXXXXX
Ticket type requested: paper
CheapTickets record locator: XXXXXXXXXX
Airline ticket number(s): 055XXXXXXXXX

When people say ticket number(s), should I have more than one?

When I look up the reservation in Air Canada, the entire literary is listed, but says “un-ticketed”

When I look it up at AA.com, entire literary, that says “ticketed”

Look up at CT and only YYZ-EWR & BOS-YYZ are listed

I selected 2 day UPS and no tracking numbers have been provided

Basically where do I go from here, do I try to call, email, or just sit tight?

As being a student, going to Cyprus for under $200, has rocked my world, thinking about how much I can see and learn; I just hope it all works out...

Any help would be much appreciated

Thank you

Just another update in case anyone else has similar experience.

History (Purchase from CT):
Have paper tix in hand.
Reservation cancelled both in CT website and on viewtrip. Full payment taken.
Phone call to CT (in Manila) proved fruitless - strongly urged by CT to accept refund. LapLap believes no point contacting CT again until AZ offices open.

Update is:
Record can no longer be viewed on viewtrip.com with PNR on tix. (this was possible 12 hours ago)

no email or other correspondence received.

Again, I would not expect these tickets to show 'ticketed' at AC.com. I have a paper ticket in front of me for travel later this week (booked by an agency). The ticket is paid for and good-to-go, but when I enter the confirmation number online, the itinerary pulls up and shows as 'unticketed'. This, of course, is an error.

I don't think that the AC site is sophisticated enough to 'switch' status when paper (as opposed to electronic) tickets are issued.

questions by North.by.Northwest

When people say ticket number(s), should I have more than one?

I initially thought we had 1 ticket no per person - scanning down the reservation later I realised we had two each. Paper tickets show 1 ticket number for YYZ-MXP-LCA and 20 days later: LCA-FCO-MXP and another ticket number for MXP-YYZ for each of us :confused:

When I look up the reservation in Air Canada, the entire literary is listed, but says “un-ticketed”

I currently have a separate confirmed reservation booked using miles with my FFP from LHR-YYZ with AC. When looking up the reservation in AC it also says "un-ticketed". I'd ignore this as it obviously isn't accurate.

I selected 2 day UPS and no tracking numbers have been provided
Other people have received their tix and never got tracking numbers. You may want to contact your local UPS depot - or email your TA and request this number.

Basically where do I go from here, do I try to call, email, or just sit tight?
Tracking number you should be able to request immediately - as for the rest. Consenses seems to be that nothing much will get done until AZ open their offices on Monday.

You never mentioned who you booked through. My guess is Orbitz. Is that right?


As being a student, going to Cyprus for under $200, has rocked my world, thinking about how much I can see and learn [/QUOTE]

Can I please request that you avoid my fellow British compatriots like the plague. I also rock and reel when I think how much you could pick up from them ;) .

I initially thought we had 1 ticket no per person - scanning down the reservation later I realised we had two each. Paper tickets show 1 ticket number for YYZ-MXP-LCA and 20 days later: LCA-FCO-MXP and another ticket number for MXP-YYZ for each of us :confused:

One ticket number can only handle up to four segments.

The paper tickets only have room for four segments to be listed on the paper itself, so the fifth segment 'forced' the use of a second document (think of the old carbon tickets).

Were you to be travelling on a nine-segment itin, you'd have three ticket numbers etc. In these cases, ticket numbers are issued in a sequential fashion (ie 055XXXXXXX12-13).

I'm not sure if this is also the case for electronic tickets, but I believe it is.

Yup, it is the same for e-tickets -- I've had three sequential ticket numbers as I did run an itin of ten segments once...

Do the paper tickets come with a list of the fare rules? Or the fare rule code printed on them? I don't recall if I've ever had a paper ticket before :confused:
You're either under 20 years old, or have never been outside of North America. ;) Despite IATA's best efforts to eliminate them in favour of e-tickets, the industry is not quite there.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere before, but has anyone actually been told about this new rules "officially." I think that if the rules have indeed been changed unilaterally (let's put the question of whether AZ can legally do this or not aside), the burden is on AZ or the travel agents to at least notify the customers.

I for one have never been contacted once by AZ nor by Orbitz, not even for the cancellation (but I know my reservations were cancelled from my itinerary in aa.com) and subsequent reinstatement, and certainly not for the rule change. Since there has been no such commmunication, I wouldn't bother to even look at the rules again until such time when I need to do the changes that I know I can make under the rules I agreed to.

From contract law, this would be an example of an attempt to renegotiate the contract.

If one party doesn't like the contract, they can offer to amend the contract but the other party is free to refuse or counter-offer some form of consideration.

However, the second party can still refuse the renegotiation and demand the contract be fulfilled as originally written.

A lot of people are upset because they can not change their dates as the ORIGINAL rules stated - because once the mistake was discovered - and tickets accepted to be used - they changed the rules to NO changes permitted. (WHat a sentence).

So whats the differnce in the Sheraton in Portland, Maine ($19 rooms) changing their initial rooms to new rules (No changes whatsoever).

I realize one is a hotel and one is an airline. But as a lucky person who got a ticket - I am not belly aching. I would like to extend my trip too BUT I am changing my plans to what the confirmed ticket says. Better a ticket than not.

I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere before, but has anyone actually been told about this new rules "officially." I think that if the rules have indeed been changed unilaterally (let's put the question of whether AZ can legally do this or not aside), the burden is on AZ or the travel agents to at least notify the customers.

I for one have never been contacted once by AZ nor by Orbitz, not even for the cancellation (but I know my reservations were cancelled from my itinerary in aa.com) and subsequent reinstatement, and certainly not for the rule change. Since there has been no such commmunication, I wouldn't bother to even look at the rules again until such time when I need to do the changes that I know I can make under the rules I agreed to.

In post #2833, someone referred to AZ saying no changes....but others have heard differently from Orbitz.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=544622&page=189&pp=15

Can anyone with an electonic subscription to the WSJ post the story from Friday's paper on these tickets?

Thanks!

One ticket number can only handle up to four segments.

The paper tickets only have room for four segments to be listed on the paper itself, so the fifth segment 'forced' the use of a second document (think of the old carbon tickets).

Were you to be travelling on a nine-segment itin, you'd have three ticket numbers etc. In these cases, ticket numbers are issued in a sequential fashion (ie 055XXXXXXX12-13).

I'm not sure if this is also the case for electronic tickets, but I believe it is.
Thanks for this... I've always wondered why I get varying numbers of tickets! I've had 10-, 11-, and 12-segment itineraries with three ticket numbers and never knew why until now.

Can anyone with an electonic subscription to the WSJ post the story from Friday's paper on these tickets?

Thanks!
This is the only article I found on WSJonline. I think this has been posted already though.

Alitalia Accidentally Offers
Airfare to Cyprus for $33

By EVAN PEREZ
April 7, 2006 12:08 a.m.

For a few hours on Wednesday, the hottest ticket in travel was to Larnaca, Cyprus.

Italian carrier Alitalia accidentally was offering a $33 business-class airfare from Toronto via Italy to the picturesque, but perhaps off-the-beaten-path, resort town of 72,000. The regular business fare on that route is $2,588.

The fare was posted in the morning hours Wednesday in Canadian dollars. Apparently a worker forgot to enter in the two zeros, an Alitalia spokeswoman said.

Word of the fare spread quickly via the Internet travel site Flyertalk.com and passed on by travel bloggers, prompting hundreds of travelers to jump on the deal. Then travel Web sites such as Orbitz.com caught on and alerted company officials.

Alitalia said it initially suspended all the bookings while it tried to determine how much damage had been done. A spokeswoman declined to say how many bookings were made.

But Alitalia decided it would honor 509 of the bookings that were purchased and ticketed before it suspended reservations. Those who booked reservations but whose tickets hadn't yet been issued are out of luck. "It was a human mistake," Alitalia's spokeswoman said. "We hope that people will appreciate the effort we are making."

At $2,588, the financially struggling airline would have received about $1.32 million in revenue for the 509 tickets, compared with the $16,797 it would receive at the $33 fare. The airline declined to comment on those figures.

Vinod Ponnusamy, of Seattle, was one of those who quickly booked tickets to Larnaca for him and his girlfriend in September, never mind that he had no clue what they would do there. "It's definitely not a place I had ever considered going," he said. Mr. Ponnusamy is expecting delivery of his tickets today and hasn't received a cancellation notice.

After doing some research and finding out about the 1974 Turkish invasion of part of Cyprus, he noted, "I didn't realize all the Greek-Turkish division going on there. But it should be fun."

Brian Hoyt, a spokesman for Orbitz.com, which operates the Cheaptickets site, said the company was refunding ticketing fees to customers who had booked and whose reservations were canceled.

Such pricing mistakes aren't unheard of, though travel companies respond to the errors in a variety of ways. Last year now-defunct carrier Independence Air sold dozens of tickets accidentally for $0, and Sabre Holdings Corp.'s Travelocity mistakenly sold tickets to Fiji for $51.

Write to Evan Perez at evan.perez@wsj.com

I believe that someone had put the original fare rules on their website. If so, would you please post that link again?

I believe that someone had put the original fare rules on their website. If so, would you please post that link again?
you have mail..

Finally, my tracking numbers are appearing for my UPS shipment. Delivery date is 4/11/06

Can anyone with an electonic subscription to the WSJ post the story from Friday's paper on these tickets?

Thanks!Post no. 2342 et seq. Can't reprint entire article due to TOS.

Well I, for one, would like to extend my June ticket for a few more days in Milan on the return.. instead of the 22 hours or whatever I have set currently. It will certainly be interesting to see if people can get Alitalia to honor their original fare rules!

Why do people keep thinking that "unlimited stopovers" in the original rules meant one could add stopovers after ticketing? Even if Alitalia honors the original rules, there's a good chance one will not be able to add stopovers without a reprice.

Why do people keep thinking that "unlimited stopovers" in the original rules meant one could add stopovers after ticketing? Even if Alitalia honors the original rules, there's a good chance one will not be able to add stopovers without a reprice.

One can add stopovers that weren't already there as long as one does not change the original routing. This is an example of date changes (which are penalty-free) as opposed to a routing change (which does indeed trigger a reprice).

Bingo. Say you were flying YYZ-MXP-LCA. The original fare rules would let you fly YYZ-MXP, stopover, then fly MXP-LCA. No reprice would have been necessary. No reticketing would have been necessary. You'd just be using the original flight coupons in order.

If they are claiming that this is a promotional fare, then why did they cancel tickets without ticket numbers? Surely they should honor them then? If it isn't a promotional fare then how can they get away with changing fare rules?

THey seemed to be backed into a lose-lose siution with this argument. Does anyone disagree?

One can add stopovers that weren't already there as long as one does not change the original routing. This is an example of date changes (which are penalty-free) as opposed to a routing change (which does indeed trigger a reprice).

I thought that adding stopovers might (depending on the agent you get) add some taxes to your ticket and force a reprice. Your ticket would certainly be different with a stopover than without one (the O would change to an X).

If they are claiming that this is a promotional fare, then why did they cancel tickets without ticket numbers? Surely they should honor them then? If it isn't a promotional fare then how can they get away with changing fare rules?

THey seemed to be backed into a lose-lose siution with this argument. Does anyone disagree?

"Italian carrier Alitalia accidentally was offering a $33 business-class airfare from Toronto via Italy to the picturesque, but perhaps off-the-beaten-path, resort town of 72,000. The regular business fare on that route is $2,588.

The fare was posted in the morning hours Wednesday in Canadian dollars. Apparently a worker forgot to enter in the two zeros, an Alitalia spokeswoman said."

Nothing in there indicates that Alitalia is claiming this was a promotional fare. Rather, Alitalia is saying that is was a mistake fare.

One ticket number can only handle up to four segments.

The paper tickets only have room for four segments to be listed on the paper itself, so the fifth segment 'forced' the use of a second document (think of the old carbon tickets).

Were you to be travelling on a nine-segment itin, you'd have three ticket numbers etc. In these cases, ticket numbers are issued in a sequential fashion (ie 055XXXXXXX12-13).

I'm not sure if this is also the case for electronic tickets, but I believe it is.

A-Ha!
That makes sense! Thanks for pointing this out to me, much appreciated ^

If they are claiming that this is a promotional fare, then why did they cancel tickets without ticket numbers? AZ isn't claiming this is a promotional fare. Someone referenced an agent calling the DEL-LHR deal a promotional fare, but that was (1) a different deal and (2) an agent, rather than official word from the airline AFAIK.

Just got off the phone with Orbitz. Therep was helpful, but after checking for a few minutes said that the airline department he need to contact was closed today. Will have to try again tomorrow. :(

I thought that adding stopovers might (depending on the agent you get) add some taxes to your ticket and force a reprice. Your ticket would certainly be different with a stopover than without one (the O would change to an X).
If the stopover adds additional taxes relative to a connection, then there could be an add-collect for those taxes. But no re-fare would be required as the existing (base) fare allows for stopovers.

Airlines publish fares and taxes are added to those as required.

In the example above, fare would remain the same and some additional taxes might have to be paid.

"The regular business fare on that route is $2,588."

Nothing in there indicates that Alitalia is claiming this was a promotional fare.Well, it is a discounted (AKA promotional) business class fare, as it is booked in D class. The regular (full J) fare for that route is in the ~$7000-8000 CAD range.

Thanks to one and all, this is an "amazin" site!! I finally made the move and booked on the crazy YYZ-LCA flights..., many thanks once again.

How is that 5 out of 5 Orbitz itins that were booked around 1030a EST generated ticket numbers, but only 2 out 5 CheapTix itins that were booked at 330a EST generated ticket numbers????


Riddle me this Batman...I mean CT/AZ????

If the stopover adds additional taxes relative to a connection, then there could be an add-collect for those taxes. But no re-fare would be required as the existing (base) fare allows for stopovers.

Airlines publish fares and taxes are added to those as required.

In the example above, fare would remain the same and some additional taxes might have to be paid.
The original fare rules state:
MISC
NOTE - RESERVATIONS FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY MUST BE CONFIRMED IN
ONE TRANSACTION AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF TRAVEL.
NOTE - TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR STICKER THAT
TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
THIS FARE MAY NOT BE USED TO CALCULATE A DIFFERENTIAL.
Perhaps this indicates promotional fare?

The original fare rules state:

Perhaps this indicates promotional fare?

That's an indication of a discounted fare and Orbitz and/or AZ seems to be using the term "special" fare this time around.

Just another update in case anyone else has similar experience.

History (Purchase from CT):
Have paper tix in hand.
Reservation cancelled both in CT website and on viewtrip. Full payment taken.
Phone call to CT (in Manila) proved fruitless - strongly urged by CT to accept refund. LapLap believes no point contacting CT again until AZ offices open.

Update is:
Record can no longer be viewed on viewtrip.com with PNR on tix. (this was possible 12 hours ago)

no email or other correspondence received.
I haven't been able to see anything on CT since Thursday morning, when the site said "cancelled" but the itin was still visible. By Thurs pm (and since) it just says "you have no trips scheduled." I couldn't view it on viewtrip either. No calls or emails to me from either CT nor AZ. And I, too, have paper tix, so I think I am in the same spot you are. I've not yet made any calls or contacts -- I just keep looking at the paper tix & trusting all will be well when AZ opens.

Looks like we are not the only ones celebrating tickets sold online: ;)

http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/2006/04/alitalia_celebr.html

If the stopover adds additional taxes relative to a connection, then there could be an add-collect for those taxes. But no re-fare would be required as the existing (base) fare allows for stopovers.

Airlines publish fares and taxes are added to those as required.

In the example above, fare would remain the same and some additional taxes might have to be paid.

When I first called Orbitz a few days to get a tracking number for my tickets, the agent kept saying "surely you know that it costs more than $33 to travel overseas". I had lots of fun pointing out several of the other 'discounted fares' that we've come across here on FT.

Even though she kept putting me on hold, I guess it was worth it, as the initial Orbitz confirmation that the fares would be honored came through while I was speaking to the supervisor. I guess if I had gotten of the phone sooner I wouldn't have known....

When I first called Orbitz a few days to get a tracking number for my tickets, the agent kept saying "surely you know that it costs more than $33 to travel overseas".

I think we spoke with the same rep, because I got a similarly-worded spiel. :D Though, I just let it go without comment. :)

When I first called Orbitz a few days to get a tracking number for my tickets, the agent kept saying "surely you know that it costs more than $33 to travel overseas". I had lots of fun pointing out several of the other 'discounted fares' that we've come across here on FT.

Even though she kept putting me on hold, I guess it was worth it, as the initial Orbitz confirmation that the fares would be honored came through while I was speaking to the supervisor. I guess if I had gotten of the phone sooner I wouldn't have known....

We used to get a particular AZ agent in Sicily who would tell us "you know we don't sell business class seats for such a price" and would refuse to do changes on the supercheap AZ DEL-LHR biz tickets. Of course, we'd just call later and deal with the other reps and AZ supervisors who wouldn't even bring up the price matter. Clearly AZ does sell business class seats for "such a price" (or even less) hundreds of times each year for the last two years. :D

How is that 5 out of 5 Orbitz itins that were booked around 1030a EST generated ticket numbers, but only 2 out 5 CheapTix itins that were booked at 330a EST generated ticket numbers????


Riddle me this Batman...I mean CT/AZ????

Hope it's not the kinder that got ticketed. :eek: ;)

I have a DL leg from YYZ-JFK. Can I check in all the way through to MXP at the DL counter?

I have a DL leg from YYZ-JFK. Can I check in all the way through to MXP at the DL counter?

Yes.

For those of you considering side trips to Syria, be warned that the visa fee for Americans is $100 USD.

Thanks to one and all, this is an "amazin" site!! I finally made the move and booked on the crazy YYZ-LCA flights..., many thanks once again.
Aly -- just curious, but how are you getting to YYZ? Planning to take advantage of the AZ YUL-LOS mistake fare by any chance? ;)
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I haven't been able to see anything on CT since Thursday morning, when the site said "cancelled" but the itin was still visible. By Thurs pm (and since) it just says "you have no trips scheduled."

You should still be able to see the itinerary under 'canceled trips'.

You should still be able to see the itinerary under 'canceled trips'.
Good call -- it is indeed there. I hadn't even seen that option to click with YOU HAVE NO TRIPS screaming at me off the page.
Thanks!

For those of you considering side trips to Syria, be warned that the visa fee for Americans is $100 USD.
Do you happen to know the visa fees for Americans traveling to Lebanon, Israel or Egypt?

A noteworthy item found on a Cyprus travel agency site (I forget which): Syria & Lebanon will DENY entry to anyone whose passport contains an Israeli entry stamp.

Do you happen to know the visa fees for Americans traveling to Lebanon, Israel or Egypt?

A noteworthy item found on a Cyprus travel agency site (I forget which): Syria & Lebanon will DENY entry to anyone whose passport contains an Israeli entry stamp.

Lebanon $35 USD, Egypt $15 USD, and Israel is free of charge for US citizens.

Do you happen to know the visa fees for Americans traveling to Lebanon, Israel or Egypt?

A noteworthy item found on a Cyprus travel agency site (I forget which): Syria & Lebanon will DENY entry to anyone whose passport contains an Israeli entry stamp.

Lebanon:
/ 09APR06 / 1856 UTC
National U.S.A. (US) /Destination LEBANON (LB)

LEBANON (LB)


Passport (must be valid at least 3 months beyond period of
intended stay) required.

Visa required.

Visa can be issued on arrival at Beirut International Airport
provided:
- coming for touristic purposes; and
- holding confirmed return/onward tickets and clear address and
telephone number in Lebanon.

Fee: 3 month, single entry: LBP 50,000.-.
3 month, multiple entries: LBP 100,000.-.
1 month, single entry: free of charge.

Entry refused if holding passport containing visa for Israel,
valid or expired, used or unused, or having any Israeli stamp
endorsed on passport.

Visa not required for:
- those whose visa is available at Immigration BIA provided
cleared by the transporting carrier through written
notification by Immigration BIA;
- wives of nationals of Lebanon and their children provided
holding official documents as proof thereof;
- those of Lebanese origin travelling on foreign passport and
holding valid Lebanese ID card, or expired Lebanese
passport, or Lebanese civil extract.

Visa can be obtained on arrival under certain conditions to:
- businessmen and other top professionals residing in a GCC
member country (see TIRGL/GCC ); or
- businessmen with prior approval from Lebanese Immigration; or
- tourist groups.
For full details, see For details, click here items 6., 7. and 8.

Minors:
children under 15 years of age, of all nationalities travelling
on parent's passport must be accommpanied by the passport
bearer, otherwise they should hold separate passport.

Children under 15 years, travelling on a foreign passport and
accompanied by at least one Lebanese parent holding a Lebanese
passport or ID form, can obtain visa upon arrival. Palestinian
minors born to Lebanese mother require a visa.

Non-compliance with entry regulations will result in refusal
and deportation of passenger at carrier's expense.
A fine of LBP 3,000.000.- (approx. USD 2,000.-) will be imposed
on carrier.

Israel:

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National U.S.A. (US) /Destination ISRAEL (IL)

ISRAEL (IL)


Passport (must be valid for period of intended stay) required.

Visa not required for a stay of max. 3 months.

If being former national of Israel, passenger must show written
proof from Israeli Authorities abroad that Israeli nationality
has been given up.
If failing to do so, please see: For details, click here - item 3.

Visitor must hold return/onward ticket and sufficient funds.

Non-compliance with entry regulations may result in deportation
of passenger.

WARNING: It is a mandatory requirement that passengers holding
Palestinian documents arriving in Tel Aviv, must have
originally departed Israel from Tel Aviv and not from airports
in Egypt or Jordan. If passengers departed from Egypt or
Jordan, they must also return through the airport of origin.
Passengers are subject to deportation if this requirement in
not met.

If travelling from Israel to an Arab country other than Egypt,
Jordan or United Arab Emirates, passengers should ensure that
their passports do not contain Israeli visa or stamps.

For travel to/from occupied territory/Jordan, please see:
For details, click here - item 2.

Egypt:

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National U.S.A. (US)
Destination EGYPT (ARAB REPUBLIC OF) (EG)

EGYPT (ARAB REPUBLIC OF) (EG)


Passport required (must be valid at least 3 months beyond
period of intended stay).

Visa required.

However, a 30 days' visa can be obtained on arrival provided:
- coming for touristic purposes; or
- coming for other purposes, if arriving from a country
without Egyptian representation or in emergency cases (left
to discretion of Immigration Authorities).
Fee: USD 15.- or equivalent.
For list of countries with diplomatic representation see:
For details, click here .

If entering Egypt via South Sinai (through Sant Katherine,
Sharm El Sheik or Taba airports), a 14 days' visa -free of
charge- can be obtained on arrival provided:
- remaining in South Sinai resorts; and
- not continuing to any other city in Egypt.

Wives of Egyptian nationals:
visa exempt, provided holding proof thereof. However, wives
who are of a nationality who normally cannot obtain a visa
on arrival (see: For details, click here Item 2) are required to
obtain approval from the authorities upon arrival.

http://www.delta.com/planning_reservations/plan_flight/international_travel_information/visa_passport_information/index.jsp

Considering that you can't travel to most Arab countries with Israeli stamps in your passport, is there any ways to get into Israel without having a stamp in your passport (as in, is there an alternative document they will stamp)?

I travel quite a bit to Israel in Egypt, but I really want to go to the other Arab countries....


Lebanon:


Israel:


Egypt:


http://www.delta.com/planning_reservations/plan_flight/international_travel_information/visa_passport_information/index.jsp

Considering that you can't travel to most Arab countries with Israeli stamps in your passport, is there any ways to get into Israel without having a stamp in your passport (as in, is there an alternative document they will stamp)?

I travel quite a bit to Israel in Egypt, but I really want to go to the other Arab countries....

If you are a US citizen, you can get a second passport for this purpose.

If you are a US citizen, you can get a second passport for this purpose.

I thought I had head about doing this, though I wasn't sure I would be allowed to keep 2 passports. Any links to how to do this? I've been looking around the state dept's webpage with no luck.

I also have dual citizenship with the US and Israel, so I could always use an Israeli passport (which I've never bothered to get) exclusively for travel to Israel. Wouldn't want to be caught in a place like Syria with that though....

I finally broke down and called Orbitz. We booked online Wednesday around 10:30 am central time. We got an email with the ticket numbers at noon. (NB: Norton decided it was Spam, so we had a few anxious hours until my husband discovered it in the Spam folder). Our trip is for Feb 2007.

We having been watching events unfold on this forum, many thanks to all of those who have contributed. Our trip kept showing up on Orbitz under cancelled trips, and since we were gone most of yesterday I wasn't sure if UPS had attempted delivery or not.

I got through on Orbitz fairly quickly and asked for my tracking number. The extremely nice CSR provided it immediately, also advised that the tickets should arrive Tuesday, and tried to call AZ for me to get seat assignments switched. (The ones we have have us apart on the AZ legs).

She was unable to get through to AZ, offered to call them again for me later. I declined although that was very nice of her and said I would do it.

So I guess we are set. Is there anyway to get advance seat assignments for the CY legs? Am I correct that we can get mileage credited on NW for the Az legs?

I am looking forward to the first trip reports from those who are doing this earlier than we are. And much thanks to Aviationkiwi who has been helping me a ton with this!

So I guess we are set. Is there anyway to get advance seat assignments for the CY legs? Am I correct that we can get mileage credited on NW for the Az legs?

The AZ-operated flights can get credited to NW without issue. The CY-operated, AZ-coded flights won't as far as I know. That's why some of us are going to use AZ's program since each ticket for YYZ-LCA-YYZ will yield at least 25,000 AZ miles. Two of these and a US-based AZ frequent flyer will be SkyTeam ElitePlus with lounge access whenever flying DL, NW, CO, or the other SkyTeam carriers.

The AZ-operated flights can get credited to NW without issue. The CY-operated, AZ-coded flights won't as far as I know. That's why some of us are going to use AZ's program since each ticket for YYZ-LCA-YYZ will yield at least 25,000 AZ miles. Two of these and a US-based AZ frequent flyer will be SkyTeam ElitePlus with lounge access whenever flying DL, NW, CO, or the other SkyTeam carriers.

I thought you would get something short of 23k or 24k tousand miles...care to share itinerary and mileage?thanks

I thought you would get something short of 23k or 24k tousand miles...care to share itinerary and mileage?thanks

I see 22k (and a bit) miles assuming a 100% bonus due to it being business class. Is this correct?

Mileage calculation for credit with AZ MilleMiglia*:

YYZ-MXP 4139 miles
MXP-LCA 1477 miles
LCA-MXP 1477 miles
MXP-YYZ 4139 miles

Total: 11.232 miles flown // Credit in paid Business Class: 22.464 miles


Mileage calculation for credit with most other Skyteam programs*:

YYZ-MXP 4139 miles
MXP-LCA not qualifying
LCA-MXP not qualifying
MXP-YYZ 4139 miles

Total: 8278 miles flown // Credit in paid Business Class: 12.417 miles


* not including any additional elite or promotional bonuses


Hence, with longer stopovers in between, I will credit my long-haul flights to DL Skymiles or AF/KL Flying Blue - and the segments to/from LCA to my AZ MilleMiglia account, since I get an additional 100% mileage bonus if crediting to Skymiles or Flying Blue.

Mileage calculation for credit with AZ MilleMiglia*:

YYZ-MXP 4139 miles
MXP-LCA 1477 miles
LCA-MXP 1477 miles
MXP-YYZ 4139 miles

Total: 11.232 miles flown // Credit in paid Business Class: 22.464 miles


SPG - Alitalia Mille Miglia transfer is 1:1 ^
You can redeem 25K MilleMiglia miles for a free Delta or Continental ticket, right?

Oy, who knows whats going on at AZ. Just called Palermo for seat assignments and to inquire regarding date changes (not routing changes). First she said my ticket was cancelled and not yet reinstated. I told her I called both Travelocity and AZ before .. and they both said it had already been reinstated. She said it had not been, and that another dept would be reinstating this coming week manually. Then I asked whether I would be permitted date changes, and she said that since D class generally allows these changes, she imagined it would be fine... but couldn't confirm it since the ticket was not yet reinstated. Oy.

Mileage calculation for credit with AZ MilleMiglia*:

YYZ-MXP 4139 miles
MXP-LCA 1477 miles
LCA-MXP 1477 miles
MXP-YYZ 4139 miles

Total: 11.232 miles flown // Credit in paid Business Class: 22.464 miles

this is what I thought.not bad I would say.

Just confirmed the long standing policy.. so dont put your WP number in the reservation:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76916&referrerid=18424

COntinental might be the best option as you will get 150% base and EQMmileage for Qualifying AZ operated "D" class segments:

http://www.continental.com/onepass/earn/airline/alitalia.asp

Just confirmed the long standing policy.. so dont put your WP number in the reservation:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76916&referrerid=18424

COntinental might be the best option as you will get 150% base and EQMmileage for Qualifying AZ operated "D" class segments:

http://www.continental.com/onepass/earn/airline/alitalia.asp


does this mean we will earn 20,695 continental miles for the yyz-mxp legs?

does this mean we will earn 20,695 continental miles for the yyz-mxp legs?

Not necessarily. You will earn 12.417 miles plus any applicable elite mileage bonus.

SPG - Alitalia Mille Miglia transfer is 1:1 ^
You can redeem 25K MilleMiglia miles for a free Delta on Continental ticket, right?

You can also use 25k Alitalia miles to fly from the Europe to North Africa.

I just called AZ to check seat assignments, and they said it's to early (seat map is not available) and that I should call in June, our flight is on September 28. That's strange because my original Orbitz reservation (before cancellation and resinstatement) had seat assignments.

You can also use 25k Alitalia miles to fly from the Europe to North Africa.

And a transatlantic business class ticket is only 80,000 miles vs. 100,000 using CO/NW miles.

For those in the CO/NW upgrade world...looks like RT transatlantic upgrades are 25K each way, but with slightly less restrictive fare categories: Y, B, H, and M. No copay.

So, for every 2 of these specials you fly, you get a roundtrip upgrade for a future flight.

I thought that adding stopovers might (depending on the agent you get) add some taxes to your ticket and force a reprice. Your ticket would certainly be different with a stopover than without one (the O would change to an X).

This is definitely true since I have two tickets, one with a stopover and one without and the total taxes are different.

This is definitely true since I have two tickets, one with a stopover and one without and the total taxes are different.
22 hours between LCA-MXP and MXP-YYZ is not a stopover, right? I want to add another 24 hrs in Milan, so it looks like it won't be possible?

Considering that you can't travel to most Arab countries with Israeli stamps in your passport, is there any ways to get into Israel without having a stamp in your passport (as in, is there an alternative document they will stamp)?

I travel quite a bit to Israel in Egypt, but I really want to go to the other Arab countries....

Israel knows this and puts your visa on a separate paper then collects it when you leave the country. I have done it in the past. No problem visiting both Egypt and Israel. It is done all the time.

I just called AZ to check seat assignments, and they said it's to early (seat map is not available) and that I should call in June, our flight is on September 28. That's strange because my original Orbitz reservation (before cancellation and resinstatement) had seat assignments.

That can't be right. Seatmaps for our flights in December/January are available on other websites.

I thought you would get something short of 23k or 24k tousand miles...care to share itinerary and mileage?thanks

You're closer to correct than my prior number for most people. (I was calculating my stuff based on segments beyond just the YYZ-MXP-LCA-MXP-YYZ -- including FCO segments -- and being Ulisse part way through the second ticketed itinerary which would put me over an average of 25k miles.)

25,000 elite qualifying miles in AZ's program = 25% elite bonus
50,000 elite qualifying miles in AZ's program = 50% elite bonus

The thing that really helps here is the 100% COS of bonus (vs. 50% for most US programs).

22 hours between LCA-MXP and MXP-YYZ is not a stopover, right? I want to add another 24 hrs in Milan, so it looks like it won't be possible?

No that is not a stopover. The easy way to tell is look at your ticket coupons. An X on the flight ticket coupon and/or ticket receipt = connection. An O (or nothing) = stopover. :)

22 hours between LCA-MXP and MXP-YYZ is not a stopover, right? I want to add another 24 hrs in Milan, so it looks like it won't be possible?

22 hours is not a stopover, correct. Whether you can "add" a stop will have to be decided at a future point by AZ or Orbitz or whoever.

No that is not a stopover. The easy way to tell is look at your ticket coupons. An X on the flight ticket coupon and/or ticket receipt = connection. An O (or nothing) = stopover. :)
i don't have my tickets yet. so what will happen if I call AZ now and ask them to add a stopover, i don't know what rules are attached to my reservation, if it's the original rules, I should be able to get a stopover without repricing. (or not?) If it's the new rules, they will reprice and I will have to pay a few thousand dollars extra. How can I call and check if a stopover can be added without risking a reprice? Can I just tell an agent that I want a stopover but if it will trigger a reprice than I don't want it?

i don't have my tickets yet. so what will happen if I call AZ now and ask them to add a stopover, i don't know what rules are attached to my reservation, if it's the original rules, I should be able to get a stopover without repricing. (or not?) If it's the new rules, they will reprice and I will have to pay a few thousand dollars extra. How can I call and check if a stopover can be added without risking a reprice? Can I just tell an agent that I want a stopover but if it will trigger a reprice than I don't want it?

I'd wait until your tickets arrive. Furthermore, my experience of trying to add a stopover on AZ ticketed itineraries before departure has lead the airline/travel agency rep trying to re-price.

You can tell an agent that you want to do a change but if it causes a repricing then you are not interested. I've often aborted changing a ticket when talk of a repricing came up.

I'd wait until your tickets arrive. Furthermore, my experience of trying to add a stopover on AZ ticketed itineraries before departure has lead the airline/travel agency rep trying to re-price.

You can tell an agent that you want to do a change but if it causes a repricing then you are not interested. I've often aborted changing a ticket when talk of a repricing came up.
thanks!

I did not see anyone on this forum reporting trying to call AZ to change dates or add a stopover. What are we waiting for? :) :rolleyes:

thanks!

I did not see anyone on this forum reporting trying to call AZ to change dates or add a stopover. What are we waiting for? :) :rolleyes:Gun shy. We're hoping to stay in MXP longer than 22 hours but aren't calling for fear of pissed off AZ reps intentionally triggering a reprice.

That can't be right. Seatmaps for our flights in December/January are available on other websites.
called again, another agent gave me 4A and 4C both ways, he said these seats are next to each other - there is no B. Is that right? :)

thanks!

I did not see anyone on this forum reporting trying to call AZ to change dates or add a stopover. What are we waiting for? :) :rolleyes:

I'll do a change at some point, but it will be date changes not an additional stopover (although it may equate with making a stopover into a connection). I am just waiting for a firm word from the online travel agencies -- especially Orbitz (once my tickets from them arrive) -- and/or Alitalia. And once they say something one way or another, I'll get a change -- regardless of what the travel agency or AZ says this coming week. :o

thanks!

I did not see anyone on this forum reporting trying to call AZ to change dates or add a stopover. What are we waiting for? :) :rolleyes:

I'm waiting for my tickets :) and then I'm waiting a few days for this story to drop off everyone's minds, and then I'll call, and if they don't allow a free stopover, I'll call again :cool:

Just confirmed the long standing policy.. so dont put your WP number in the reservation:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76916&referrerid=18424

COntinental might be the best option as you will get 150% base and EQMmileage for Qualifying AZ operated "D" class segments:

http://www.continental.com/onepass/earn/airline/alitalia.asp


Question: Would it be possible to get WP miles by sending in ticket receipt and boarding passes to obtain credit? Or, is there somthing noted on both the ticket and the boarding passes that denotes purchase from CT?

I am a Oneworld/AA frequent flyer, who just recently got some miles on NW for a sweet weekend trip to HNL. However, no other affiliations with other airlines. I read another post about 1:1 on SPG, that sounds doable.

Thanks all for the ideas on how best to use these miles.

Question: Would it be possible to get WP miles by sending in ticket receipt and boarding passes to obtain credit? Or, is there somthing noted on both the ticket and the boarding passes that denotes purchase from CT?TIX show which agency printed the tix (i.e. Travelocity, CT) and where that agency is (i.e. San Antonio).

so basically if you ticket was never cancelled, you can switch the dates at no charge? excellent!

not so fast.

mine was never cancelled. i got ticket numbers and they were delivered no sweat. but, my ticket says: "BUSINESS RESTRICTED" on the face. that's not a good sign, i assume.

TIX show which agency printed the tix (i.e. Travelocity, CT) and where that agency is (i.e. San Antonio).


Bummer! :td: :(

not so fast.

mine was never cancelled. i got ticket numbers and they were delivered no sweat. but, my ticket says: "BUSINESS RESTRICTED" on the face. that's not a good sign, i assume.
That just means it is a D fare.

The original fare rules were business class restricted.

That doesn't mean no date changes.

not so fast.

mine was never cancelled. i got ticket numbers and they were delivered no sweat. but, my ticket says: "BUSINESS RESTRICTED" on the face. that's not a good sign, i assume.

I believe that is just because these tickets are D fare (discount business) and not J fare (full-fare business).

The original rules said refundable and unlimited stopovers.

The outstanding question (I hope that answer bhatnasx got is correct) is whether AZ will attempt to impose rules that weren't in effect when we purchased our tickets.

ahhh...the $64K question :D

not so fast.

mine was never cancelled. i got ticket numbers and they were delivered no sweat. but, my ticket says: "BUSINESS RESTRICTED" on the face. that's not a good sign, i assume.
From the original fare rules:
MISC
NOTE - RESERVATIONS FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY MUST BE CONFIRMED IN
ONE TRANSACTION AT ANY TIME PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF TRAVEL.
NOTE - TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR STICKER THAT
TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
Your BUSINESS RESTRICTED could just be a consequence of this requirement.

TIX show which agency printed the tix (i.e. Travelocity, CT) and where that agency is (i.e. San Antonio).

Ah NUTS! So this is confirmed that WP miles won't get credited if purchased from Cheaptickets? I was hoping that was not necessarily true... man, can't they just kiss and make up? I really was planning to get all my miles credited to NWA.

Sigh... ok, now I gotta back-track through all the posts to find details on the AZ program, and whether it's worth posting points in there. Can a member be kind enough to highlight the advantages of putting the miles in AZ, vs. a CO or DL program? I read something about getting lounge access anywhere with just 2 RT YYZ-LCA flights.

I was really hoping for the 150% biz bonus plus double WP credit for being Gold. Something I won't get on CO or DL since I don't even have a Skymile or Onepass account :(

Wonder what I can get on AZ miles that I can actually use, without having to lose much on the "premium".

Ah NUTS! So this is confirmed that WP miles won't get credited if purchased from Cheaptickets? I was hoping that was not necessarily true... man, can't they just kiss and make up? I really was planning to get all my miles credited to NWA.

Sigh... ok, now I gotta back-track through all the posts to find details on the AZ program, and whether it's worth posting points in there. Can a member be kind enough to highlight the advantages of putting the miles in AZ, vs. a CO or DL program? I read something about getting lounge access anywhere with just 2 RT YYZ-LCA flights.

I was really hoping for the 150% biz bonus plus double WP credit for being Gold. Something I won't get on CO or DL since I don't even have a Skymile or Onepass account :(

Wonder what I can get on AZ miles that I can actually use, without having to lose much on the "premium".

If you credit to AZ MilleMiglia you will get over 22k miles because you'll get double miles on all segments included all the segments operated by CY(MXP-LCA-MXP or FCO-LCA-FCO).ON CO,DL,NW you will get 150% only on AZ operated flights.25k miles and you hava a free ticket on AZ,less miles with a copay for travel within Italy and selected european destination.A few posts above there is a break up of the mileage earnings posted by...I can't remember!You can round up your miles using AZ dutyfree on board.4x miles /euro spent.

Aly -- just curious, but how are you getting to YYZ? Planning to take advantage of the AZ YUL-LOS mistake fare by any chance? ;)
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Hey, just got back. Regarding the LOS fare, i would have considered it if i could have booked it via the net direct. BTW, for those who want to or need to travel to Douala, Cameroun or Accra, Ghana let me know cuz i have been there already.

Ah NUTS! So this is confirmed that WP miles won't get credited if purchased from Cheaptickets? I was hoping that was not necessarily true... man, can't they just kiss and make up? I really was planning to get all my miles credited to NWA.

Sigh... ok, now I gotta back-track through all the posts to find details on the AZ program, and whether it's worth posting points in there. Can a member be kind enough to highlight the advantages of putting the miles in AZ, vs. a CO or DL program? I read something about getting lounge access anywhere with just 2 RT YYZ-LCA flights.

I was really hoping for the 150% biz bonus plus double WP credit for being Gold. Something I won't get on CO or DL since I don't even have a Skymile or Onepass account :(

Wonder what I can get on AZ miles that I can actually use, without having to lose much on the "premium".

Exactly! I'm in the same boat. Ah.. What to do?

Ah NUTS! So this is confirmed that WP miles won't get credited if purchased from Cheaptickets? I was hoping that was not necessarily true... man, can't they just kiss and make up? I really was planning to get all my miles credited to NWA.

Sigh... ok, now I gotta back-track through all the posts to find details on the AZ program, and whether it's worth posting points in there. Can a member be kind enough to highlight the advantages of putting the miles in AZ, vs. a CO or DL program? I read something about getting lounge access anywhere with just 2 RT YYZ-LCA flights.

I was really hoping for the 150% biz bonus plus double WP credit for being Gold. Something I won't get on CO or DL since I don't even have a Skymile or Onepass account :(

Wonder what I can get on AZ miles that I can actually use, without having to lose much on the "premium".

Please, PLEASE could discussion on this topic go to this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=545569
Due to the sheer volume and speed of posts, any information posted here will become effectively irretrievable within a day or so.

The same goes for any information on Cyprus itself. Please place info and advice in the Easter/Western Europe forum. Anything written here will soon become as wee-wee in the wind.

Please, PLEASE could discussion on this topic go to this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=545569
Due to the sheer volume and speed of posts, any information posted here will become effectively irretrievable within a day or so.

The same goes for any information on Cyprus itself. Please place info and advice in the Easter/Western Europe forum. Anything written here will soon become as wee-wee in the wind.


Thanks for posting it. Sorry, I didn't see it before. And, I do know better to post OT. That said, it takes of time to just keep up with this one. I see your point.

Israel knows this and puts your visa on a separate paper then collects it when you leave the country. I have done it in the past. No problem visiting both Egypt and Israel. It is done all the time.

They do not do this unless you ask, and be very nice and explain why you want them to do it. They are not required to do it and if you are at all dismissive they will stamp your passport anyway. (I have seen it happen) :p

Also you are right there are direct flights from Israel to Egypt, so that is not an issue. Syria, Lebanon, Saudi, Malaysia and a bunch of others however can deny you entry if you even have a receipt in Hebrew or an Israeli guidebook. Quite silly if you ask me.


ahh srry to be off topic.. just ignore..

Can you do a sticky or a different thread giving us a SHORT summary of what went down here...kind of like the posts used to update the very FIRST post with new info...

Every time I try to catch up with this I am behind 40 pages of posts, it's insane! :rolleyes:

Moderators are people, too. Why do you assume that they are up to date on this.

A year ago Fiji only generate about 1K posts in the short-term. FT is growing!

Ah NUTS! So this is confirmed that WP miles won't get credited if purchased from Cheaptickets? I was hoping that was not necessarily true... man, can't they just kiss and make up? I really was planning to get all my miles credited to NWA.

I mentioned this somwhere around page ?80? maybe, but since FT search still offline can't double check without wading through many pages.

If you credit to AZ MilleMiglia you will get over 22k miles because you'll get double miles on all segments included all the segments operated by CY(MXP-LCA-MXP or FCO-LCA-FCO).

Can you point me to the AZ rules that say this? All I can find on their web site is that double points are earned on "a full fare ticket in Y or B class".

I mentioned this somwhere around page ?80? maybe, but since FT search still offline can't double check without wading through many pages.

One or two FTers mentioned this CheapTickets-NW restriction earlier in this thread.

Thank you to those who brought this up.

I mentioned this somwhere around page ?80? maybe, but since FT search still offline can't double check without wading through many pages.

PrivatePilot mentioned it in post 1741. :eek:

Can you point me to the AZ rules that say this? All I can find on their web site is that double points are earned on "a full fare ticket in Y or B class".

http://alitalia.com/millemiglia/earn/withalitalia.htm

I'd wait until your tickets arrive. Furthermore, my experience of trying to add a stopover on AZ ticketed itineraries before departure has lead the airline/travel agency rep trying to re-price.

You can tell an agent that you want to do a change but if it causes a repricing then you are not interested. I've often aborted changing a ticket when talk of a repricing came up.

Have you successfully added a stopover before departure on AZ that didn't trigger a reprice?

Have you successfully added a stopover before departure on AZ that didn't trigger a reprice?

For me, never with AZ. But I have made a connection into a stopover after flying the first segment on AZ, and no reprice was involved.

sorry, what is SPG? thanks :)

SPG - Alitalia Mille Miglia transfer is 1:1 ^
You can redeem 25K MilleMiglia miles for a free Delta or Continental ticket, right?

For me, never with AZ. But I have made a connection into a stopover after flying the first segment on AZ, and no reprice was involved.

Could you explain to us how this worked/what happened?

Thanks :)

sorry, what is SPG? thanks :)
SPG=Starwood Preferred Guest.Starwood Hotels Loyalty Program.Sheraton,4Points,Westin etc

thanks!

SPG=Starwood Preferred Guest.Starwood Hotels Loyalty Program.Sheraton,4Points,Westin etc

sorry, what is SPG? thanks :)
Starwood Preferred Guest, i.e. Sheraton, Intercontinental, etc.
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Starwood Preferred Guest, i.e. Sheraton, Intercontinental, etc.
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Not Intercontinental - thats Priority Club

Not Intercontinental - thats Priority Club
Oops. You're correct. Too much FT time today. Signing off until tomorrow.
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Could you explain to us how this worked/what happened?

Thanks :)

I'd fly to Italy with my onward boarding pass and once I arrived at MXP I'd go to the lounge and ask them to change my date of travel since something came up and I would like to either continue the next day or a few days later. I always got that connection changed into a stopover. (This was for my DEL-MXP-LHR and DEL-MXP-FCO-LHR AZ "promotional" supercheapo biz tickets.)

At other times: after I had flown the outbound, I would call up AZ and have them make my connection into a stopover (or make a stopover into a connection). Sometimes AZ would mention an add-collect of taxes, sometimes AZ would not even mention it. The only time I had real issues was if I no-showed and got a hold of some AZ agent who was interpreting the rules differently than I was. And for that there was the "thank you, I'll have to think about this" and then the later call. :D

I just called AZ to check seat assignments, and they said it's to early (seat map is not available) and that I should call in June, our flight is on September 28. That's strange because my original Orbitz reservation (before cancellation and resinstatement) had seat assignments.

Strange. My trip is in early September (over labor day), and I was able to get a seat assignment. Try a different agent, maybe the first one didn't feel like being helpful (or maybe seat maps are only for flights within the next 5 months, a timeframe which you're just out of (for a few more weeks?)

PrivatePilot mentioned it in post 1741. :eek:

Post what? Sorry, in threads this long I tend to focus more on page numbers. ;)

Post what? Sorry, in threads this long I tend to focus more on page numbers. ;)

Page numbers on FT vary from some posters to most posters because some people have their viewing set for X amount of posts per page and others have it set for Y posts per page. :D

Well, this will help: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=544622&page=117&pp=15 :D

Thanks! :) I would like to take this opportunity say thank you to the OP rosj, and extend him an honorary Platinum-level membership in the KVS Availability Tool (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2804833#post2804833&referrerid=28181) for his great service to the FlyerTalk community.

The volume has overwhelmed me. Thanks for the invite, I'll take a closer look tomorrow. The screen shots look interesting ... maybe we should chat some day ...

BTW, I'll take you up on that goose some day ...:)

Regards,

rosj

Page numbers on FT vary from some posters to most posters because some people have their viewing set for X amount of posts per page and others have it set for Y posts per page. :D

Yeah page numbers are meaningless to me as I go with 40 posts per page.

But I digress...

(sorry I haven't paid attention for a bit - is it time to sue yet :confused: )



;)

SPG=Starwood Preferred Guest.Starwood Hotels Loyalty Program.Sheraton,4Points,Westin etc

So wait - 1 Alitalia mile can be transferred into 1 Starwood point? If true, that's unbelievable. ;)

So wait - 1 Alitalia mile can be transferred into 1 Starwood point? If true, that's unbelievable. ;)

:D It's the other way -- and only one-way. 1 Starwood point can be converted into 1 Alitalia mile (at least). The reverse direction is, unfortunately, not possible.

Strange. My trip is in early September (over labor day), and I was able to get a seat assignment. Try a different agent, maybe the first one didn't feel like being helpful (or maybe seat maps are only for flights within the next 5 months, a timeframe which you're just out of (for a few more weeks?)
i was able to get seat assignment by speaking with another agent. ^

Maybe Im reading this wrong but can you put the yyz to fco on say delta miles,then the fco to lca on az.

i was able to get seat assignment by speaking with another agent. ^

Typical Alitalia.

:D It's the other way -- and only one-way. 1 Starwood point can be converted into 1 Alitalia mile (at least). The reverse direction is, unfortunately, not possible.

Drats. ;)

Maybe Im reading this wrong but can you put the yyz to fco on say delta miles,then the fco to lca on az.

Yes you can.

Yes you can.
Great thanks

How is that 5 out of 5 Orbitz itins that were booked around 1030a EST generated ticket numbers, but only 2 out 5 CheapTix itins that were booked at 330a EST generated ticket numbers????


Riddle me this Batman...I mean CT/AZ????

All 4 tickets I got on CT, were in the 1:00am-1:30AM PST.

All had ticket numbers.

difference as far as i understand is with bonus you get 200% miles on az, 150% on dl or co

Maybe Im reading this wrong but can you put the yyz to fco on say delta miles,then the fco to lca on az.

Is there a better chance that the original fare rules -- meaning the fare rules at time of original ticketing -- will be pulled up by ticket number (than say by PNR)?

I am hoping -- wishful thinking as it may be??? -- that a looking up of the fare rules by ticket number would increase the likelihood that the original ticket fare rules would be honored.

What will most likely happen is should you decide to make a change to your ticket, the agent will ask you for your issue date and fare basis code printed on your ticket. If they are unfamiliar with those rules, they will then pull up a historical fare quote to read the rules that were in effect on the day your ticket was issued. They will use those rules to determine what you are eligible for in terms of changes.

I just did a historical FQ in Worldspan and saw that there were two fares listed for the DRTCA9 fare basis, one for $39, and another for $3900. That may raise some red flags for an agent, but given the fact that the fare basis clearly indicates a business class fare, the agent may simply permit changes they would ordinarily assume to be legitimate for a business class fare (e.g. free revalidations, refunds, and adding stopovers to existing routings without requiring a reissue).

The fare rules are not kept anywhere by ticket number. Historical fares data is retained in the GDS for I believe up to 2 years, and are accessed based on ticketing and travel dates alone.

In this case, the only rules available to an agent for reference would be the ones in effect at the time of ticketing. I do not believe there is any ability for the airline to go back and adjust the historical fare rules after the fact.

What will most likely happen is should you decide to make a change to your ticket, the agent will ask you for your issue date and fare basis code printed on your ticket. If they are unfamiliar with those rules, they will then pull up a historical fare quote to read the rules that were in effect on the day your ticket was issued. They will use those rules to determine what you are eligible for in terms of changes.

I just did a historical FQ in Worldspan and saw that there were two fares listed for the DRTCA9 fare basis, one for $39, and another for $3900. That may raise some red flags for an agent, but given the fact that the fare basis clearly indicates a business class fare, the agent may simply permit changes they would ordinarily assume to be legitimate for a business class fare (e.g. free revalidations, refunds, and adding stopovers to existing routings without requiring a reissue).

The fare rules are not kept anywhere by ticket number. Historical fares data is retained in the GDS for I believe up to 2 years, and are accessed based on ticketing and travel dates alone.

In this case, the only rules available to an agent for reference would be the ones in effect at the time of ticketing. I do not believe there is any ability for the airline to go back and adjust the historical fare rules after the fact.

Thank you for the explanation. ^^ Here, I learn something new every day. :)

Do both fare rules under the DRTCA9 fares on that day read the same there? Thanks.

Any guesses about how many "I just got my tickets" posts will appear in this thread tomorrow? Right now, I'll put the over/under at 37.

Thank you for the explanation. ^^ Here, I learn something new every day. :)

Do both fare rules under the DRTCA9 fares on that day read the same there? Thanks.

No worries. :) Glad I could help.

Yes, both sets of fare rules are identical except for the base fare amounts.

No worries. :) Glad I could help.

Yes, both sets of fare rules are identical except for the base fare amounts.

What are the fare rules for after 4/5?

This is the question, do we necessarily know they were issued on 4/5 or thereafter?

What are the fare rules for after 4/5?

This is the question, do we necessarily know they were issued on 4/5 or thereafter?

An important distinction to note is that the fare rules didn't change, but rather one fare was pulled (the $39.00 DRTCA9 fare), and another was loaded (the $3900.00 DRTCA9 fare).

Both fares had the same rules since the airline made an error on the base fare amount. Hence, the $39.00 fare would have only appeared in the system on 4/5/06. Anything after the mid-afternoon fare load (or whenever this was pulled), would have shown the correct fare with the same fare rules & fare basis code. In fact, the DRTCA9 fare that is currently loaded appears to have the same fare rules as the infamous one from last week except for one difference.....$3861.00. :)

And I'm not sure whether you're referring to tickets or fares with your question about issuance, but your ticket once issued locks in the fare. This could be why Alitalia probably felt some pressure to honor those tickets that were already issued. Generally speaking...Once issued, your ticket is a contract whose terms are determined by the fare rules in effect at time of issuance. That's why the historical fare quote is essential for any questions about modifying your existing ticket.

But until that ticket gets issued, the airline has absolutely no obligation to honor anything at all. Any further decisions to honor fares after they've expired is purely at the airlines' discretion.

Any guesses about how many "I just got my tickets" posts will appear in this thread tomorrow? Right now, I'll put the over/under at 37.
I think more than 37.

An important distinction to note is that the fare rules didn't change, but rather one fare was pulled (the $39.00 DRTCA9 fare), and another was loaded (the $3900.00 DRTCA9 fare).


Acutally the rules did change regarding the stopover.
Here are the original rules:

Originally Posted by hauteboy
I printed out the fare rules for DCRTCA9, they are at:
http://jph.bytestacker.com/DCRTCA9.pdf

Acutally the rules did change regarding the stopover.
Here are the original rules:

What was the change in rules regarding stopovers?

From the (two) DRTCA9 fares that existed on the day of this special -- which is what RChavez is talking about -- the stopover rules seem to be exactly the same.

My error - I thought that I had read on an earlier post that the rules had been changed to NO STOPOVERS. Not sure where you can view the 'current ' rules as they are no longer available on expertflyer.

My error - I thought that I had read on an earlier post that the rules had been changed to NO STOPOVERS. Not sure where you can view the 'current ' rules as they are no longer available on expertflyer.I'm guessing someone was smart enough to download the fare rules before the fare was pulled. ;)

I'm guessing someone was smart enough to download the fare rules before the fare was pulled. ;)

Spiff was kind enough to post the fare rules in this thread at the time when the special was available. And as RChavez has kindly informed, the historical fare rules for the DRTCA9 fares on April 5th are one of two very similar ones, both of which allow for changes. :)

I'm guessing someone was smart enough to download the fare rules before the fare was pulled. ;)

The fare rules and routing rules as originally available:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5574195&postcount=186

... Once issued, your ticket is a contract whose terms are determined by the fare rules in effect at time of issuance. That's why the historical fare quote is essential for any questions about modifying your existing ticket.


Agree. Therefore, we can change the dates of those tickets, can't we?

Agree. Therefore, we can change the dates of those tickets, can't we?
We should be able to.

Unless Alitalia refuses to honor the terms of the fare that was purchased. I think that's what people have been speculating/wondering/worrying about.

We should be able to.

Unless Alitalia refuses to honor the terms of the fare that was purchased. I think that's what people have been speculating/wondering/worrying about.


Oh, great news ^

And may I ask you another question as I was not online since Friday. I got meanwhile all my tickets from Cheaptickets.com I the itineraries are still empty in my account. Do I have to call Alitalia or Cheaptickets to have them the tickets re-booked?

Travel Man, call CT but wait until the offices open - the agent I spoke with said after 9 a.m. central time, when supervisors and Alitalia CS staff will also be on.

Well, no guarantees on the date change thing -- just that the rules when ticketed say they're allowed.

You'll likely need to talk to CheapTickets to have them work w/ Alitalia to have the flights reinstated.

In theory they were going to do it on their own (yeah, right, the two I have with flights removed haven't seen reinstatement as yet).

We should be able to.

Unless Alitalia refuses to honor the terms of the fare that was purchased. I think that's what people have been speculating/wondering/worrying about.

I hope we can.

Man, 45 minutes without a new post? Whats up with that? :p

Man, 45 minutes without a new post? Whats up with that? :p
Waiting for folks to get to work (and procrastinate in this thread), for their UPS shipments to arrive, and for them to call Orbitz, Cheaptickets, etc. and Alitalia about date changes and stopovers... :D

http://alitalia.com/millemiglia/earn/withalitalia.htm

Yes, that's where I looked before and it says double miles for "a full fare ticket in Y or B class" for domestic and mentions only Y/J/C for international. Nothing about D. :confused:

Waiting for folks to get to work (and procrastinate in this thread), for their UPS shipments to arrive, and for them to call Orbitz, Cheaptickets, etc. and Alitalia about date changes and stopovers... :D

And my guess (unless I'm completely mistaken about when 9amCPT begins) is that things will REALLY kick off in about 45 minutes time! :)

Waiting for folks to get to work (and procrastinate in this thread), for their UPS shipments to arrive, and for them to call Orbitz, Cheaptickets, etc. and Alitalia about date changes and stopovers... :D

Yeah...but i figured someone would be right on the phone at 0900 when the offices opened (I'm assuming that they are on the east coast). Just wondering what the latest and greatest was this am.

And my guess (unless I'm completely mistaken about when 9amCPT begins) is that things will REALLY kick off in about 45 minutes time! :)

So, does this mean AZ is reinstating here in the US? I thought they might be reinstated today when I woke up since I'm in CT, and it's almost 4 pm in Palermo.

Sabre Airline Solutions Technology to Help Alitalia Stem Revenue Leaks
Monday April 10, 8:30 am ET


SOUTHLAKE, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 10, 2006--Sabre Airline Solutions, the leading provider of software and services to the airline industry from planning to execution, has signed deals worth US$2.5 million with Alitalia. The Italian flag carrier will use the airline technology provider's revenue integrity products, as well as its consulting team, to stem millions of dollars of revenue leakage each year. It has also extended and upgraded its use of the Sabre AirMax revenue management system.

So, does this mean AZ is reinstating here in the US? I thought they might be reinstated today when I woke up since I'm in CT, and it's almost 4 pm in Palermo.
*If* they're actually being proactive (I'm skeptical) perhaps the work will be done out of New York?

Yes, that's where I looked before and it says double miles for "a full fare ticket in Y or B class" for domestic and mentions only Y/J/C for international. Nothing about D. :confused:

D is like J for the purposes of mileage accrual...don't worry!

Sabre Airline Solutions Technology to Help Alitalia Stem Revenue Leaks
Monday April 10, 8:30 am ET


SOUTHLAKE, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 10, 2006--Sabre Airline Solutions, the leading provider of software and services to the airline industry from planning to execution, has signed deals worth US$2.5 million with Alitalia. The Italian flag carrier will use the airline technology provider's revenue integrity products, as well as its consulting team, to stem millions of dollars of revenue leakage each year. It has also extended and upgraded its use of the Sabre AirMax revenue management system.

Juuuuuust in time :)

*If* they're actually being proactive (I'm skeptical) perhaps the work will be done out of New York?

From what I understand, the work on the AZ side is being done out of Rome, not Palermo or NYC.

Speaking of revenue leakage....from PR Newswire..
Press Release Source: Sabre Airline Solutions


Sabre Airline Solutions Technology to Help Alitalia Stem Revenue Leaks
Monday April 10, 8:30 am ET


SOUTHLAKE, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 10, 2006--Sabre Airline Solutions, the leading provider of software and services to the airline industry from planning to execution, has signed deals worth US$2.5 million with Alitalia. The Italian flag carrier will use the airline technology provider's revenue integrity products, as well as its consulting team, to stem millions of dollars of revenue leakage each year. It has also extended and upgraded its use of the Sabre AirMax revenue management system.
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Alitalia will use two components of the SabreSonic Passenger Solutions suite to cut down on revenue leakage. The Sabre SmartFlow tool kit will enable the airline quickly to create robotic processes that interface with global distribution systems (GDSs), airline host systems, databases, e-mail servers and Web services. Examples of usage include revenue integrity processing, waitlist management, disruption management notification and down-line segment cancellation.

The second component, Sabre GDS Analysis, gives Alitalia the ability to evaluate fares and availability data on each GDS to ensure these reflect accurately the actual fares in its reservation system. This will eliminate unnecessary credit memos and help address traveler and travel agency dissatisfaction caused by inaccurate pricing.

Sabre GDS Analysis will also allow Alitalia to monitor how it is ranked against other airlines on different GDS displays and harvest route-based market intelligence about competitor fares and availability. The product will provide the information Alitalia needs to improve its GDS display ranking, such as schedule or fare changes.

Consultants from Sabre Airline Solutions will work closely with Alitalia staff for the first few months of operation, providing support, advice and guidance.

"Combined with the hands-on consulting expertise that Sabre Airline Solutions was able to offer, we're confident that these products will help stem revenue leakage," said Gianni Matassa, Alitalia's director of revenue management and distribution. "This is a classic example of the way the wider Sabre business is adding value to its relationship with us -- over and above the traditional distribution function."

Matassa said Sabre AirMax Revenue Manager would deliver increased productivity, better forecasts and better overall revenue management.

Murray Smyth, Sabre Airline Solutions' senior vice-president for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, said the products to stem revenue leakage had already achieved proven results for both British Airways and Air Canada.

"The clincher for Alitalia, however, was when we were able to run real data from the airline through the tools, and show them the results," he said.

Smyth said Sabre Airline Solutions was in talks with Alitalia about the use of other products that would help the airline market and schedule its inventory for maximum profit, sell its products, serve its customers and operate more efficiently from planning to execution on a day-to-day basis.

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The second component, Sabre GDS Analysis, gives Alitalia the ability to evaluate fares and availability data on each GDS to ensure these reflect accurately the actual fares in its reservation system. This will eliminate unnecessary credit memos and help address traveler and travel agency dissatisfaction caused by inaccurate pricing.

:eek: :eek:

let's hope other airlines don't take a cue from AZ...

:eek: :eek:

let's hope other airlines don't take a cue from AZ...

Seriously :confused: :confused: :confused:

The second component, Sabre GDS Analysis, gives Alitalia the ability to evaluate fares and availability data on each GDS to ensure these reflect accurately the actual fares in its reservation system. This will eliminate unnecessary credit memos and help address traveler and travel agency dissatisfaction caused by inaccurate pricing.


Well the YYZ-LCA CAD33 fare was also reflected in Alitalia's reservation system so I don't know how this component would help AZ.

Well the YYZ-LCA CAD33 fare was also reflected in Alitalia's reservation system so I don't know how this component would help AZ.


it was CAD 39 and $33... :D :D :D

Well the YYZ-LCA CAD33 fare was also reflected in Alitalia's reservation system so I don't know how this component would help AZ.
An earlier post, or maybe it was a seperate thread somewhere, discussed how members of Sabre system agree that obvious pricing mistakes, even where the systems are automated and no human is there to view the fare, are not binding on the airline.

If so, had AZ been a part of Sabre, then Orbitz would have had no bargaining position.

Any guesses about how many "I just got my tickets" posts will appear in this thread tomorrow? Right now, I'll put the over/under at 37.
Well, the upper boundry would be 507, if we believe the press :D

speaking of tickets, has anyone with tracking numbers not yet available in orbitz, actually received tickets?

Well, the upper boundry would be 507, if we believe the press :D
Press? I just love it when they quote anyone. I also liked it yesterday where they had a picture of a 4 engine'd bubbletop quoted as an "Airbus" which had engine problems instead of the actual plane a 2 screw airbus".

What sites can I see my res, with AZ PNR - besides Travelocity.ca-- EG virtuallythere.com etc. I have tried to no avail, I also have spoken to AZ to add FF number, with no problem, but cannot see it anywhere.--- not even AZ webiste (after signing up to FF program)

speaking of tickets, has anyone with tracking numbers not yet available in orbitz, actually received tickets?
Just recd mine this morning via UPS!! Says biz rstricted; will wait n see be4 calling to modify dates..

What sites can I see my res, with AZ PNR - besides Travelocity.ca-- EG virtuallythere.com etc. I have tried to no avail, I also have spoken to AZ to add FF number, with no problem, but cannot see it anywhere.--- not even AZ webiste (after signing up to FF program)

I don't think you can, unless you booked it with CT.

:eek: :eek:

let's hope other airlines don't take a cue from AZ...Although I must say, at least they are doing SOMETHING about it.

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