View Full Version : Rumor City: 20 more 757s?


FCYTravis
Mar 16, 06, 5:56 pm
USAviation post sez the Tempe Sandcastle management has told ALPA that 20 more 757s are on the way.

Take it with a grain of salt approximately the size of a 757, given how many rumors are flying around, but still... it would help explain that big FA recall.

I've never seen an industry with so many rumors... and I work in motorsports, where every garage is its own rumor factory! :eek:

asu-ua772
Mar 16, 06, 6:17 pm
I'm taking this with a grain of salt. And where would that many 757s come from anyways?

phlwookie
Mar 16, 06, 7:05 pm
They'll need to recall or hire more crew than they have to add 20 757s.

Not sure what they'd do with an influx of that many new planes, other than perhaps a big Latin American expansion and a few more European cities.

warbo
Mar 16, 06, 7:15 pm
That's interesting. Where are these 'new' (cos they won't be :) ) planes supposed to be coming from? Would be very interested if anyone else had some concrete information...

sbtinme
Mar 16, 06, 7:48 pm
Good grief -- that would be the last a/c I would think they'd be considering now. In the next 5 years, we're going to begin seeing domestic carriers starting to retire their original 757-200 fleets in response to many realities: the far more efficient med/long haul a/c they already have within their fleets and (2) the supplanting of so much traditional mainline flying by regional a/c and the new wave of small jets (as they call them at NW) such as the E190s.

If US is seriously looking at a broad new 757 fleet in the days ahead, they are surely the ONLY carrier thinking that way.

BrokesiliaFlyer
Mar 16, 06, 9:04 pm
.. and most other carriers have sizeable Widebody fleets, something USAir doesn't have much of.

The rumor about 757s is partially true. The airline is looking to add UP TO 20 757s. The next batch are headed out West, not East. East won't be getting any "new" airframes until the E190s come on property.

phlwookie
Mar 16, 06, 9:17 pm
Remember that the 757 is a standout performer in the desert heat, particularly as opposed to the A321. I don't know how the newest 737-900ER variants fare in summer desert heat, but for now the 757 is about the best you can get in that size category for LAS and PHX in the daytime summer heat.

formeraa
Mar 16, 06, 11:36 pm
Rumour has it that AA is looking for some newer (built after 1999) 757's that match their primary fleet.

olympicnut
Mar 16, 06, 11:53 pm
I thought there was some rumor they were coming from ATA. I swear I remember reading this a few months ago. Or maybe NW has some they'd like to let go.

Hopefully they'll be newer 757's to replace the 20ish year old frames HP has had for years that they are using on the Hawaii routes.

kinglobjaw
Mar 17, 06, 1:22 pm
Someone on usaviation, were saying they may have bought 25 planes from United Airlines. So much for saying good bye to US and *A! Supposedly all of the 25 planes will be for a HUGE South American expansion. What destinations would these serve do you think? Would the 757's make it to GRU, or EZE?

FWAAA
Mar 17, 06, 1:27 pm
Someone on usaviation, was saying they may have bought 25 planes from United Airlines. So much for saying good bye to US and *A! Supposedly all of the 25 planes will be for a HUGE South American expansion. What destinations would these serve do you think? Would the 757's make it to GRU, or EZE?

That's the oft-repeated fantasy of a discredited US pilot; throughout the UA Ch 11 proceedings, he often claimed that US would be buying all or part of UA, most recently that UA was selling TED to US, along with a slew of A320s.

And no, 757s wouldn't make it to GRU or EZE without a fuel stop.

FCYTravis
Mar 17, 06, 2:24 pm
United's 757s are Pratt and Whitney-powered. US wouldn't want them to begin with, as the entire US fleet is Rolls-Royce.

alanh
Mar 17, 06, 3:14 pm
I thought there was some rumor they were coming from ATA. I swear I remember reading this a few months ago. Or maybe NW has some they'd like to let go.

Hopefully they'll be newer 757's to replace the 20ish year old frames HP has had for years that they are using on the Hawaii routes.US is buying three 757s from ATA (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/13752376.htm).

I wouldn't count on anything from Northwest being any newer than what they have now.

sassamanlaw
Mar 17, 06, 4:49 pm
What ever happened to National Airlines fleet of 757s? IIRC they were all new.

phlwookie
Mar 17, 06, 6:25 pm
I suspect they can find 757's in the market if they really want to, but don't know how many are lying around. They seem to be pretty popular with operators.

UA didn't shed any of their 757's in bankruptcy. I highly doubt they'd start now.

McFlyPHL
Mar 17, 06, 6:52 pm
There also is (at least anecdotally) a premium on RR powered 757's. Implicit of course is the higher demand for the RR's and a higher cost.

DC-USCP-UAPE
Mar 18, 06, 1:18 pm
Wasn't Delta's Song all 757's? And they are already all coach configured? Maybe they're acquiring those since Delta seems to want to slim down...

I'm surprised because I thought Airbus has helped finance US's exit from Ch 11...

I'd think they'd put a stop to more Boeing A/C.

sassamanlaw
Mar 18, 06, 1:41 pm
Wasn't Delta's Song all 757's? And they are already all coach configured? Maybe they're acquiring those since Delta seems to want to slim down...


I think DL's 757 are all P & W engined. With US' being RR equiped I don't think it would be cost effective to have two different engined 757s.

McFlyPHL
Mar 18, 06, 3:55 pm
I think DL's 757 are all P & W engined. With US' being RR equiped I don't think it would be cost effective to have two different engined 757s.

In general, it's not cost effective at all unless you have sizeable subfleets of both. AA has TWA's old 757s that are PW powered and farms out maintenance to DL. With AA potentially looking, charter operators looking, and the lines closed it'll be tough to find too many common 757s on the market. Remember that in addition to engines, the exits on the 757 can be configured differently - four doors or three doors plus over wing exits, which could present a certification issue for evacuation tests.

Also, DL is re-integrating it's ex-Song aircraft back into mainline ops as far as I have seen.

MiamiBeach
Mar 22, 06, 10:46 pm
US is buying three 757s from ATA (http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/13752376.htm).Here's the first one:

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27791

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2670736/


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