YVR-YEG last night had PTV and when the FA came around with headphones Ms. PunishedEdmontonian expressed interest. I had a twoonie in my pocket and got a couple of sets.

What a joke. WestJet should be ashamed to even have these available leastwise charge a $1 for them. :td:

They didn't even expand sufficiently to reach my ears and what little hair I have left on my head got caught several times in them as I struggled to position them to hear the TV. :rolleyes:

Whoever sold these to WestJet ripped them off. :td:

Was there anything on TV last night worth watching anyway? :D

YVR-YEG last night had PTV and when the FA came around with headphones Ms. PunishedEdmontonian expressed interest. I had a twoonie in my pocket and got a couple of sets.

What a joke. WestJet should be ashamed to even have these available leastwise charge a $1 for them. :td:

They didn't even expand sufficiently to reach my ears and what little hair I have left on my head got caught several times in them as I struggled to position them to hear the TV. :rolleyes:

Whoever sold these to WestJet ripped them off. WestJet should be ashamed to even have these around. :td:

Yes, they are cheap and not very comfortable, but if you are travelling without your own, it comes in handy in a pinch. You do realize that they are standard jacks, so if you have an mp3 player or something similiar, your headphones work in the plane.

Also, as for the 1 dollar, come on now! Jetsgo or AC would have charged 5 bucks for the same headset! Even though we make money off the headsets, it's not the primary reason for charging a buck. You may or may not know that when we started with them, we gave them out for free. It created a massive garbage problem onboard during turnarounds because about 90% of the headsets were left behind. Now that we charge a dollar for them, only 10% are left behind, and the crews don't have to deal with the mess.

In my own personal experience with both the $1 and $3 dollar headsets, I actually prefer the $1 ones, because I can bend the metal to get a better fit, can't do that with the $3 dollar ones, although the earpieces are much more comfortable on the $3 ones. Botom line: bring your own and save a buck and have a more comfortable live tv experience.

Also, as for the 1 dollar, come on now! Jetsgo or AC would have charged 5 bucks for the same headset!

AC gives away their flimsy headsets for FREE.

[QUOTE]What a joke. WestJet should be ashamed to even have these available leastwise charge a $1 for them. :td:

Well, at least your critiques are getting more balanced. I'll bet that if you flew Wetjet too often you'd be running back to AC.


They didn't even expand sufficiently to reach my ears and what little hair I have left on my head got caught several times in them as I struggled to position them to hear the TV. :rolleyes:

There's a lawsuit in there somewhere :D

Whoever sold these to WestJet ripped them off. :td:

Coffeebean :D

CO charges $5.00 USD for their headsets.

Just sayin'.

Well, at least your critiques are getting more balanced. I'll bet that if you flew Wetjet too often you'd be running back to AC....

I have no plans for a full lobotomy.

I have no plans for a full lobotomy.

So your happy with the partial lobotomy? :D

Sorry, no offence meant. (despite how much you despise us AC folks :D )
It was just out there, waiting to be said. Never could pass up a good punch line.

I have no plans for a full lobotomy.

I always thought you had to have one before getting into law school :D

AC gives away their flimsy headsets for FREE.


...which is one of the reasons why AC's casm is 17.4 cents a mile vs. 13.4 at WJA......... ;)

Do you really want to pay a 20% premium, (that's what AC claims it is), for a pair of "free" head sets that cost AC about 25 cents a pop?

;)

.......Do you really want to pay a 20% premium, (that's what AC claims it is), ....
No, they claim (in audited statements) a 31% Yield premium and a 40% RASM premium.

Yes, they are cheap and not very comfortable, but if you are travelling without your own, it comes in handy in a pinch. You do realize that they are standard jacks, so if you have an mp3 player or something similiar, your headphones work in the plane.

Also, as for the 1 dollar, come on now! Jetsgo or AC would have charged 5 bucks for the same headset! Even though we make money off the headsets, it's not the primary reason for charging a buck. You may or may not know that when we started with them, we gave them out for free. It created a massive garbage problem onboard during turnarounds because about 90% of the headsets were left behind. Now that we charge a dollar for them, only 10% are left behind, and the crews don't have to deal with the mess.

In my own personal experience with both the $1 and $3 dollar headsets, I actually prefer the $1 ones, because I can bend the metal to get a better fit, can't do that with the $3 dollar ones, although the earpieces are much more comfortable on the $3 ones. Botom line: bring your own and save a buck and have a more comfortable live tv experience.


Bottom line is that the headphones are JUNK, plain JUNK and you guys should be embarrassed to even have them on your planes.

You should have been ashamed to hand them out for free leastwise justify the cleaning nonsense by a $1 charge. You should bite the bullet, throw them out, sue the supplier and fire the person who bought them.

Secondly, this bs about bringing your own is the type of poor service attitude that usually emanates from AC.

P.S., Edited to add that both Ms. PunishedEdmontonian and I left the JUNK in the seat pocket when we deplaned as part of the rational 10%.

So your happy with the partial lobotomy? :D

Sorry, no offence meant. (despite how much you despise us AC folks :D )
It was just out there, waiting to be said. Never could pass up a good punch line.

I'm still recovering from the partial one that saw me fly AC for years. I'm almost fully recovered, thank you! :p

I'm still recovering from the partial one that saw me fly AC for years. I'm almost fully recovered, thank you! :p

Tell the truth now ;)

I'm still recovering from the partial one that saw me fly AC for years. I'm almost fully recovered, thank you! :p

Are you sure????? I've heard you do still fly AC from time to time. Relapses perhaps? :eek:

Are you sure????? I've heard you do still fly AC from time to time. Relapses perhaps? :eek:

Almost every chance he gets.

Bottom line is that the headphones are JUNK, plain JUNK and you guys should be embarrassed to even have them on your planes.

You should have been ashamed to hand them out for free leastwise justify the cleaning nonsense by a $1 charge. You should bite the bullet, throw them out, sue the supplier and fire the person who bought them.

Secondly, this bs about bringing your own is the type of poor service attitude that usually emanates from AC.

P.S., Edited to add that both Ms. PunishedEdmontonian and I left the JUNK in the seat pocket when we deplaned as part of the rational 10%.

They are poor quality, I agree. The $3 headsets are better quality and still a discount to the $5 some airlines charge for a dual pronged headset. If you have a problem with the quality or anything about the LiveTV system itself fire off an email through the westjet website.

They are poor quality, I agree. The $3 headsets are better quality and still a discount to the $5 some airlines charge for a dual pronged headset. If you have a problem with the quality or anything about the LiveTV system itself fire off an email through the westjet website.

Better yet, do what frequent travelers do on all airlines and bring your own.....

You guys bust me up. You rage on and on about FFP's , MLL's and the huddled masses in Y class as you celebrate your self-importance in J class, but you can't take a crowbar to your wallet and buy a set of decent headphones at Futureshop and throw them in your briefcase / computer bag.

Even a $10 set would be a quantum leap over anything offered for free or $5 by any carrier on the planet.

Too funny :D

Better yet, do what frequent travelers do on all airlines and bring your own.....

You guys bust me up. You rage on and on about FFP's , MLL's and the huddled masses in Y class as you celebrate your self-importance in J class, but you can't take a crowbar to your wallet and buy a set of decent headphones at Futureshop and throw them in your briefcase / computer bag.

Even a $10 set would be a quantum leap over anything offered for free or $5 by any carrier on the planet.

Too funny :D

I find the AC J headsets quite fine. I'm surprised you wouldn't as well. Surely a wealthy, successful jetsetter such as yourself isn't flying intercontinental in Y, or a :eek: charter carrier? Or do you confine your journeys to only places WS flies, since any other carrier will be obviously be 2nd rate compared to Air Kool-Aid?

I find the AC J headsets quite fine. I'm surprised you wouldn't as well. Surely a wealthy, successful jetsetter such as yourself isn't flying intercontinental in Y, or a :eek: charter carrier? Or do you confine your journeys to only places WS flies, since any other carrier will be obviously be 2nd rate compared to Air Kool-Aid?

I use Bose sound cancelling headsets, and have them with me at all times.

Like most people, I fly the airline that offers the best service at the lowest fare with the shortest trip time, regardless of the class I fly. I could care less about points. If they give them to me, great, but I don't make choices because of them.

I don't trust businesses that try to bribe me with my own money.

I avoid charter carriers because life is to short to save a few pennies to suffer for days afterwords. C3000 was the worst in this regard. :eek:

You rage on and on about FFP's , MLL's and the huddled masses in Y class as you celebrate your self-importance in J class.

Thanks for lecturing us on self-importance.

Where is the website?

[QUOTE]Better yet, do what frequent travelers do on all airlines and bring your own.....

Most of us do...but on AC where we get better things than soap operas.

You guys bust me up. You rage on and on about FFP's , MLL's and the huddled masses in Y class as you celebrate your self-importance in J class, but you can't take a crowbar to your wallet and buy a set of decent headphones at Futureshop and throw them in your briefcase / computer bag.

We're too busy trying to figure out asm/casm/prasm and spasm...but now that you mention it :D


Too funny :


Right on...you've been the best humour...speedo and all..that we've had in a long time. Keep up your reports from the tooth fairy.

Thanks for lecturing us on self-importance.

Where is the website?

Exactly where it's always been. ;)

Exactly where it's always been. ;)

ps.....a certain US airline's flight 303 tomorrow has 65 seats available in coach tomorrow....... ;)

Exactly where it's always been. ;)

You are the sort of person who loves the idea that you think you know something that other people don't know. Case in point is Slingbox. Even though this forum is ostensibly for frequent flyers, and SB is designed for those of us who spend time away from home, you like the idea of keeping it a little secret because it empowers you to think you are smarter than the average bear.

Replace Slingbox with "Purported super duper website".

Replace Slingbox with "Purported super duper website".

It's all in the public domain. Do your homework. The contents of the entire WJ b plan are in the public domain as well. There was nothing stopping you from taking all that info, writing a plan, working with the best of the best and creating a billion or more in shareholder value with a collective cash infusion of a couple hundred thousand.....

Fortunately for me, people like you are all talk and no action.

So something "that's in the public domain (but that curiously, you refuse to provide information on)" that would be of great interest to "fellow FFers" will not be revealed by you?

When you asked exAC for the link that he provided on the AC domestic numbers, should he have just responded "it's in the public domain, do your homework" ?

Now, perhaps you are under some legal requirement not to speak about the case. Maybe that would explain your reticence.

Or maybe you've just forgotten, as the link is on PC #226a.

Simon

The only interesting part of this thread is the fact that PunishedEdmontonian used the word "leastwise" twice. :D

[QUOTE]It's all in the public domain. Do your homework. The contents of the entire WJ b plan are in the public domain as well. There was nothing stopping you from taking all that info, writing a plan, working with the best of the best and creating a billion or more in shareholder value with a collective cash infusion of a couple hundred thousand.....


One thing you forget is that many of us here are known to each other and don't hide out pretending to be somone we aren't and most of us have or are building businesses.


Fortunately for me, people like you are all talk and no action.

asm/casm/prasm/spasm are not part of how we make a living. We don't do route controlling functions paly spread sheet jockey. We fly and pay our way...we are your customer..or at least those of us who fly wetjet and you are not helping their cause :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Coffeebean]
We fly and pay our way...we are your customer..or at least those of us who fly wetjet and you are not helping their cause :rolleyes:

It's all part of Westjets plan to lure the business traveller. :rolleyes:

Better yet, do what frequent travelers do on all airlines and bring your own.....

You guys bust me up. You rage on and on about FFP's , MLL's and the huddled masses in Y class as you celebrate your self-importance in J class, but you can't take a crowbar to your wallet and buy a set of decent headphones at Futureshop and throw them in your briefcase / computer bag.

Even a $10 set would be a quantum leap over anything offered for free or $5 by any carrier on the planet.

Too funny :D

I rarely wear headphones at all and feel zero need to join the tuned-out, self-important types who do. I just thought I'd try out the PTV and it was astonishing the JUNK that I was given. A letter is on its way to Westjet.

I am of that apparently rare breed who either naps or reads while I fly.

Almost every chance he gets.

Time to adjust your medication again since you know this isn't remotely true.

Also, as for the 1 dollar, come on now! Jetsgo or AC would have charged 5 bucks for the same headset!
AC gives them away for free, and they are of superior quality to WS. No, they are not ergonomic and noise cancelling and feel just as light as oakleys, but they're free and htey do their job YYC-YYZ.

And if I remember correctly, are they not the type with the double prong jack? That way, they're useless for anything but airplanes and people will tend to leave them behind.

FewMiles..

And if I remember correctly, are they not the type with the double prong jack? That way, they're useless for anything but airplanes and people will tend to leave them behind.

FewMiles..

No, the WestJet set-up is single prong. If it had been double-prong I could have used the FREE sets I have from CO from web check-in coupons.

Oops, should have been more clear. I was referring to the AC ones being double-pronged. In any case, if WS used those, you could bring on board some headphones that you had gotten free from AC. It'd be kind of like bringing in Safeway bags to bag your groceries at Superstore. ;)

FewMiles..

Oops, should have been more clear. I was referring to the AC ones being double-pronged. In any case, if WS used those, you could bring on board some headphones that you had gotten free from AC. It'd be kind of like bringing in Safeway bags to bag your groceries at Superstore. ;)

FewMiles..

AC's are double pronged, but are moving to the standard single prong with the re fit. Wonder how they'll manage which flight gets which set of headphones...logictical nightmare IMO.

I just saw a set that had double but could convert to single, one of them simply folded away.

My AC flight yesterday had the double prong flight with the ability to swing one of the prongs out of the way as well.

This was a J headset from an international flight?

This was a J headset from an international flight?

Nope, from row 22, Seat C

Is this not pretty much a convenience matter with WS for those few who don't have headphones of their own? Though merely observational, I suspect the majority of travellers now have their own headphones with them, primarily from personal audio devices like iPods and the like. The advance WS has with single-prong outlets is that these are fully compatible with the ones we generally use with such music devices.

And I do agree with CB, the true FFer will be packing his or her own high quality headphones, Bose or similar noise reduction variety. So between the two groups, there might be a few who will fork over the $1 to have some audio access...and who will not be particularly concerned about the quality of sound the devices deliver.

When inflight films were first introduced, virtually nobody traveled with headphones, so the airlines could easily charge for this feature. By the 90s it became a matter of a token charge for those who did not have their own headphones, and so inflight entertainment became free on domestic flights (as it had been on international where it was part of the fare and offering). Any charge for headphones was to offset the shrinkage factor, as they were collected and "sanitized" for reuse. Recently, the cost of cheap headphones made it more cost-effective for airlines like AC to give them away. (AC had a contract with handicap agencies who cleaned and replaced the foam ear pads, but cost-cutting ended these contracts and resulted in the variant we are now offered.)

For WS, selling them is likely more a matter of keeping the thing cost-neutral.

For WS, selling them is likely more a matter of keeping the thing cost-neutral.

Bingo. ;)

I flew twice on WS in the past few days and only a handful of people purchased headsets (maybe one or two dozen?). The rest either brought their own or didn't watch the TV. Also of note is while I was helping groom the plane I didn't find one headset left behind. ^

Bingo. ;)
Also of note is while I was helping groom the plane I didn't find one headset left behind. ^

Too bad, you could have raised your income by reselling those left behind ;)

When Westjet started their inflight entertainment they bragged how it is free! No charge to our guests. It took them about 6 months to start charging us! You're right they are crap! Thankfully most travelers have our own!