Can anyone give suggestions as to some memorable dining spots in DC? We will be staying near the White House in mid-March.

The cuisine is flexible, but we are specifically looking for a non-chain, not-to-miss restaurant for lunch or dinner.

We want it to be spectacular--outstanding in presentation, taste, and/or location.

We don't mind spending good money for dinner as long as the experience is memorable.

Thank you all for your suggestions!

Kevin

Not far from the White House is a restaurant called Ten Penh (for both Ten Pennsylvania Avenue and for the capital of Cambodia). It is pan-Asian and a local favorite. Not cheap, but memorable--as you requested.\

If you can get to Georgetown, 1789 is excellent continental (also not cheap). More moderate is the Vietnamese restaurant (also in Georgetown) Miss Saigon (their curry chicken is wonderful). And if you are looking for cuisine you might not find elsewhere (but plentiful in DC), try Meskerem in Adams-Morgan for Ethiopian (also moderate).

You might want to check out the Washingtonian magazine (http://www.washingtonian.com) for its list of the 100 best restaurants (also the 100 best bargain restaurants) in Washington or Tom Sietsema's reviews in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/CGSearch?displaySearchTerm=&displaySearchLocation=&displayDistance=&searchAction=addFacet&currentPage=1&searchTerm=&searchLocation=&searchLocationDisplay=&searchDistance=0.0&facetName=editorialreviewsnavigator&subfacetName=%5E%22Tom+Sietsema%22%24&sortBy=1&map=&zoom=-99&p=&mr=&vert=&horz=&lon=&lat=&dateOffset=&movieName=&catName=&field_1_categoriesnavigator=%5ERestaurants%24&nm=0#) .

Hope that this helps.

citronelle, gerards,obelisk, tenpenh, seasons, corduroy,vidalia

From a trip the week before last, we had excellent meals at

-- Mie N Yu (http://www.mienyu.com/) on M St. in Georgetown
-- Rosa Mexicano (http://www.rosamexicano.com/) (near MCI Center)
-- Kinkead's (http://www.kinkead.com/) 2000 Penn (Foggy Bottom)

I would not call any of these "fine dining", but all had really great ambiance, and REALLY, REALLY outstanding food (priced accordingly [as in "fairly high"]).

We also had dinner at 1789 in Georgetown, which for us as a major disapointment: Very spotty, erratic service; only very good (not truly memorable) food. Definitely NOT worth the expense from our viewpoint.

Galileo on 21 st is probably the best in town (or Citronelle in Georgetown). I'd be wary of Kinkeads or 1789 whose reputations overshadow their current status. TenPenh is phenomenal, though not the caliber of the other two I mentioned.

I'm not sure how far out you're willing to go, but Maestro often gets consideration as one of the area's best restaurants. It's in the Ritz Carlton in Tyson's Corner (which is suburban Va, probably a 20-minute drive from your hotel).
Warning: it is pricey. http://www.ritzcarlton.com/hotels/tysons_corner/dining/venues/maestro/default.html

If you are going to be here for a little while, you can order Zagats dining guide. I find it helpful for it cross-category recommendations--best brunch, late dining, recommendations in specific areas, etc.

I second the Maestro recommendation.

Restaurant Eve would be a fierce competitor if you could get a spot on their tasting menu.

Minibar's tasting menu would also be a welcome treat.

Tom Sietsema's Washington Post chats and reviews are generally right on the money, if you want to do some independant research.

My wife and I have always enjoyed Marcel's (2401 Pennsylvania). Great service and fine food.

Agree with the previous recommendations for Marcels and 1789. I've been dining at 1789 for over 10 years and haven't seen a decline in service or quality. I do agree that Kinkead's is not what it used to be.

Haven't done Maestro's yet, but all reports are good.

If you're looking for international fare, the Bombay Club for Indian and the Taberna Del Albardero for Spanish are good choices, with Bombay Club being the better of the two.

If you want to do a DC steakhouse, I'd recommend the Caucus Room.

Had a very nice dinner at Equinox this weekend, will definitely go back. My bison filet mignon was a delight, the duck my wife ordered was even better.

Cheers,
Jeff

Equinox is clearly my favorite place in DC, and on my short list of favorite restaurants anywhere. I have NEVER had anything short of an extraordinary meal there. The food, wine selection, and service are phenomenal.

1789 is about as good as ever. Kinkeads has gone down over the years. DC has no great steakhouses, although the Morton's steakhouses in the area are fine enough.

I've been doing Bombay Club for around a decade. It's not great for Indian food and is better known for its visitors and "Anglo-Indian"-type orientation than its food. Their champagne brunch -- and the "snake", if they still have that showy drink display then -- is ok, but I don't go there for food, at least not if I want authentic, tasty Indian food.

Bistrot Lepic used to be good for French food, but is now so-so.

How is Goldoni/Teatro Goldoni -- or whatever it is called -- nowadays?

I agree with most of these knowledgeable posts but would
put an extra voice in favor of Citronelle. And another voice
in denigrating Kinkead's, which reminds me very much of
Todd English's Olives (way overrated, way too much reliance
on oil-soaked food) - really uninspiring if Bob K. isn't there
to whip the lazy staff into shape.

Citronelle is quite good but priced highly.

1789 changed chefs as of Dec. 2005 (I believe). I've heard the new chef is going to need a few months to rise to the previous caliber of 1789...

Just some food for thought.

1789 changed chefs as of Dec. 2005 (I believe). I've heard the new chef is going to need a few months to rise to the previous caliber of 1789...

Just some food for thought.

After our less than overwhelming experience at 1789, we was told the same thing about the change in chefs

... but then we were told that by a waiter at Kinkead's. :D

1789 did change chef. ric lacoste is gone. not the world's greatest loss.

Caucus room claims that on certain nights, you call, and you bring the wine, they will cook to it. I have eaten there a couple times on weekend and enjoyed it very much as the place was close to empty.

I have never cared for Goldini, think taberna is over rated, and think Galeleio is the most over rated restaurant on the eastern seaboard. the only decent meal I have ever had in a Dona establishment was cooked by Jeff Bubin(of Viadalia then)

Have not eaten at Maestro or 2941(?). both are a bear to get to for 6:30-7pm.

I have enjoyed both 701 and oval room(lot of chef changes). Particularly, again when not busy. same person owns bombay club, which I have never made.

As is well known, my favorite is gone.................Signatures, and chef Moru.

for probably the best food and dining occurance, check "the list are you on it" for tasting dinners. most of these are all out affairs.

http://www.thelistareyouonit.com/component/option,com_listusers/task,signin/Itemid,53/

Galileo on 21 st is probably the best in town (or Citronelle in Georgetown). I'd be wary of Kinkeads or 1789 whose reputations overshadow their current status. TenPenh is phenomenal, though not the caliber of the other two I mentioned.

Galileo is one of my favorites. Last time I ate there was without a doubt the best italian dinner I have ever eaten.

I disagree with everyone in this thread except for Podroza
I second the Maestro recommendation.

Restaurant Eve would be a fierce competitor if you could get a spot on their tasting menu.

Minibar's tasting menu would also be a welcome treat.

mrs gleff used to cook at both Maestro and Restaurant Eve, and are definitely recommended. Restaurant Eve won't be convenient to where you're staying, but is worth the trip.

We recently had dinner at minibar, my extensive review (with pictures) is here:
http://blogs.flyertalk.com//blogs/viewwing/archives/2005/12/mini_bar_at_caf.html

2941 is definitely good but prices are up about 25% or more over what they were a year ago. This used to be my favorite regular spot (I'd go every month or two) but is no longer worth it. It's in Northern Virginia and not at all convenient to where you're staying.

The best meal in the city proper is without a doubt CityZen... review here:
http://blogs.flyertalk.com//blogs/viewwing/archives/2005/10/dinner_at_the_m.html

Citronelle can be good but also erratic, and service is so so. Amex can sometimes get you a table when otherwise unavailable.

Indebleu is another good spot, French-Indian fusion and decor is a bit W-esque.

Not at all a fan of TenPenh, thoroughly unimpressive. Galileo is fine, but I like Tosca better. I haven't had a better than average meal at Vidalia in years. :td:

Whatever you do, avoid Poste at the Hotel Monaco.

Add me to the list of people who was disappointed in Citronelle. The prices were certainly first-class, but neither the food nor service was.

And as I live in northern Virginia, I still find 2941 to be outstanding. Who would have thought you could have that view in Falls Church?!

And as I live in northern Virginia, I still find 2941 to be outstanding. Who would have thought you could have that view in Falls Church?!Something neat that 2941 did over this past summer was to use their patio for 'tapas on the terrace'. mrs. gleff and I went one Sunday afternoon... we were the only ones out there with a waiter to ourselves on a perfectly clear, sunny day. We ordered several portions and the bill was reasonable. Some things from the main menu, other things the chef was experimenting with for possible inclusion on the menu, all excellent.

It is a great spot. And the food is consistently very good. It's just that it seems to have become somewhat overpriced, with most of the appetizers in the $20s and most of the entrees just north of $30. At that price, might as well do the 4 course mix-and-match menu of an appetizer, 2 entrees, and a dessert for $85pp... (Of course CityZen will cost you that for 3 courses during the week...)

1789 did change chef. ric lacoste is gone. not the world's greatest loss.

Caucus room claims that on certain nights, you call, and you bring the wine, they will cook to it. I have eaten there a couple times on weekend and enjoyed it very much as the place was close to empty.

I have never cared for Goldini, think taberna is over rated, and think Galeleio is the most over rated restaurant on the eastern seaboard. the only decent meal I have ever had in a Dona establishment was cooked by Jeff Bubin(of Viadalia then)

Have not eaten at Maestro or 2941(?). both are a bear to get to for 6:30-7pm.

I have enjoyed both 701 and oval room(lot of chef changes). Particularly, again when not busy. same person owns bombay club, which I have never made.

As is well known, my favorite is gone.................Signatures, and chef Moru.

for probably the best food and dining occurance, check "the list are you on it" for tasting dinners. most of these are all out affairs.

http://www.thelistareyouonit.com/component/option,com_listusers/task,signin/Itemid,53/


The list is cool, thanks for the recommendation!

My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed going through many of the reviews and menus. We also signed up for the website that slawecki suggested.

Now that we have some good ideas for dinner, I have a few other questions...

What about lunch? Any lunches near the main tourist areas that are worth noting? We don't care about the cuisine, but if we are going to splurge for dinner, we want to keep it rather cheap for lunch.

Also, where is the best place to see celebrities?

Cieba is great, too.

DC Coast at 14th & K Streets

Also, where is the best place to see celebrities?
If by celebrities, you mean "celebs for DC," try Cafe Milano in Georgetown. You'll see Cabinet members, Senators and any actors who may be filming in town.

The list is cool, thanks for the recommendation!
I've mentioned this board on other threads here, but I think the best place for food info, recommendations and reviews of DC Metro Area restaurants is Don Rockwell's board. (http://www.donrockwell.com) Staff from the front and back of house for dozens of restaurants regularly participate as well as diners. For me, what FlyerTalk is to travel, DR.com is to DC dining.

If you're going to be on the Mall during the day, a great place for lunch would be the food court (I forgot the name) at the new American Indian museum. I know, I know how it sounds, but the quality of the food is surprisingly good and it's set up in little "sections" of American Indian trbies around the country.

And don't forget -- Smithsonian museums are free, which makes it a double bonus!

For inside the beltway celebs, check the Monicle & la coline (both at lunch in particular), and Cacus room and the palm on week nights. also sam & harry's

Unless you know these people, they are tough to recognize. they just look like normal elderly people.

Until Jack A closed, Signatures was best, but they were usually in one of the private dining rooms in the back.

Galileo has already been mentioned a few times in this thread, but it is worth mentioning that another option at this restaurant is the Laboratorio del Galileo. Here, you can be one of 30 people to watch Roberto Donna himself prepare a 10-12 course tasting menu. Needless to say, reservations are hard to come by, but if you have the opportunity, it is obviously quite an experience. Website: http://www.galileodc.com/restaurants/laboratorio/

Enthusiastic thumbs up on 1789, Galileo. Equinox, not so much- dined there once and was not as floored as I expected to be. My dining mate's duck dish was rather poor.

We recently had dinner at minibar, my extensive review (with pictures) is here:
http://blogs.flyertalk.com//blogs/viewwing/archives/2005/12/mini_bar_at_caf.html

Indebleu is another good spot, French-Indian fusion and decor is a bit W-esque.



I was going to post Minibar but I see gleff already beat me to it. if you want different - THIS IS IT! Expensive but worth every penny in my opinion.

Kudos to gleff for putting up such a great review with pictures - but I would seriously recommend not looking at that since I personally enjoyed the meal there so much mainly due to the element of surprise! Just looking at the pictures now brought back so many good memories! (sorry and thanks gleff!)


But then again I might be biased since I am a huge Jose Andres fan!

But sticking to the Jose Andres (chef) theme I would also suggest Zaytinya - love the ambience and the food!

Seeing my earlier quote, worth noting that I went back to Indebleu and while still a good meal and worth recommending my most recent experience was on the pricer side than in the past. Plan on $65pp + drinks/wine/etc + tax/tip.

Under normal circumstances, I would not eat in S&W, however, there are times for an exception. 10 "generous" 2-oz samples is a bottle. do not plan driving or working after lunch.

I like the 701. it is part of a single ownership that includes oval room and bombay club.

From Zagat:

# March 20–24: For $10 at lunch, Smith & Wollensky will pour 10 generous 2-oz. wine samples from a changing array of 10 American producers, including a Jordan Cabernet '02 and a Nickel & Nickel Carpenter Vineyards Cabernet '02, costing, respectively, $114 and $159 a bottle on the restaurant's wine list. With any luck, the weather will permit grape-nuts to sip and be seen on the sidewalk cafe.

# March 22: Chef Jamie Stachowski honors his Polish heritage – and grandmothers' cooking – in a four-course dinner, with optional wine pairings, at his Restaurant Kolumbia; dishes will include housemade kielbasa sausage with cabbage and mustard cream (6:30 PM; $55, $75 with wine; 202-331-5551).

# March 23: Jeffrey Alford and Naomi Duguid, authors of Mangoes & Curry Leaves: Culinary Travels Through the Great Subcontinent, will tell tales from their treks through Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka, followed by a South Indian feast prepared by host Indique at this Asia Society event (7–9:30 PM; $92.50 per person or $150 for two, both of which includes a copy of the book; 202-833-2742).

March 30: The Ukrainian Embassy will host a vodka and verenyky (filled dumplings) tasting in its historic Georgetown quarters – the elegant Forrest-Marbury House; there will also be a buffet of traditional dishes and musical entertainment (7–9:30 PM; $65; 3350 M St. NW, 202-244-3700).

# 701: This Penn Quarter New American says "let them eat caviar" (at peasant prices). A $15 sampler of domestic fish roe – which can be paired with a flight of three sparkling wines for an additional $15 – is being offered through the end of April at lunch and dinner.

Tandoori Nights: A second location of this glamorous Indian just opened in trendy Clarendon with a swank bar/lounge called Agni (fire) serving street food (small plates) and creative drinks (2800 Clarendon Blvd., Arlington, VA; 703-248-8333).

Wine deal of the century. Food is of fine quality. Wine list is very reasonable. less 33% is under shelf price, and a lot of things are not particularly available.


this place is near the Shoreham, and that huge hotel, whomever owns it today. Was a sheraton a few years ago.

Talbott sleepy hollow at $33 is worth buying and taking home.

The brunellos barolos and amorone are under shelf after the 33% off.

Ciao Ameci!


Dino wants to lessen the pain of Tax season!


What you need to cope with your taxes is a good glass of wine. To help
Dino is making two offers to take the edge off your taxes.


Any Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday evening thru until April 19, you can
“deduct” 33% off of the price of any bottle of wine normally priced
$50.00 and over! All you have to do is to make a reservation, come to
Dino, spend $20.00 per person on food. We will deduct 33% of the cost
of your wine. Dino is already known for its great wine values (named
best value wine list in the Washingtonian Magazine’s January Issue),
but this makes drinking great wine at Dino a steal. Pick from almost
200 wines: Brunello, Barbaresco, Barolo, Amarone, Cabernets and Pinots
from the USA and from Italy! Anything regularly priced at $50.00 or
more is 33% off. You will be drinking most of these wines for less
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On Fridays, from 5:00 to 6:30, Dino is offering a BBB happy hour! For
$20.00 per person, you will get an antipasti plate consisting of a hot
antipasto, selected artisan cheese and some of our famous salumi, plus
a 3 oz taste of a Barolo, Brunello or Barbaresco that normally retails
for over $75! The selection of wine will change each week. You can
buy additional wine for $8.00 for 3 oz, or $20.00 for 8 ounces. Here’s
a way to taste some pretty incredible wines for not a lot of cash!
Enjoy this offer either at the bar or at a table.

Thanks for sharing about the events. How wonderful.

An idea for lunch if you are nearby the Eastern Market neighborhood of Capital Hill in your touring- Bread and Chocolate. Absolutely fabulous for weekend brunch- mainly French inspired dishes. Wonderful coffees though the deserts aren't as top notch as their presentation would suggest.

I'm surprised only one person mentioned Ceiba so far. I had by far one of the best meals ever here.

TenPenh is absolutely a favorite as well. Had a great experience at Teatro Goldoni a few weeks ago also.

Gleff-dying to try Restaurant Eve as I work only a few blocks away.

For inside the beltway celebs, check the Monicle & la coline (both at lunch in particular), and Cacus room and the palm on week nights. also sam & harry's

Unless you know these people, they are tough to recognize. they just look like normal elderly people.


Hilarious. And true.

I don't find TenPenh at all impressive, but I have had a good meal at Ceiba. Not one of my best ever by any stretch but certainly enjoyable.

I'm surprised only one person mentioned Ceiba so far. I had by far one of the best meals ever here.

TenPenh is absolutely a favorite as well. Had a great experience at Teatro Goldoni a few weeks ago also.

Gleff-dying to try Restaurant Eve as I work only a few blocks away.

went to the sequoia grove tasting dinner at Acadiana on Monday. Was surprised to find that Kobrands(wine and liquor distributor) "owns" all four restaurants...TenPenh · DC Coast · Acadiana. Ceiba.

They also own the Sequoia Grove winery(since 2002). they installed a new winemaker (promoted the assistant) and let him run free. the wines are very fine. I think the 02 reserve is the best $50 CA cab I have tasted.

The service at Acadiana was really screwed up. The food was excellent, and paired beautifully with the wines.

Went to Finn & Porter on tues, for a second sequoia grove tasting dinner(glutton for punishment) the wines were again supurb, the service impeccable, and the cooking outshone Acadiana. This is a real shock. F&P is a hilton chain restaurant in a suburban va hotel in the dc area.

They are having a Penfolds dinner on march 30:

http://www.hiltonrestaurantgroup.com/toolkit/dynMenu/pdfs/FN_03102006102110533979.pdf

The wines in this tasting are a cut or two under the sequoia grove wines

I second the suggestion for Gerard's! Its an amazing little restaurant, excellent dining experience, incredible food!

I don't want to divert this thread too much but I'll be in DC end of next month. I'd like FT'ers opinions about the best restaurant in the area for Crab Cakes (I've read a lot of reviews).
Will be at the Washington Hospital Center but the restaurant could be most anywhere within reach of the Metro (including suburbs).
Thanks for the help.

I don't want to divert this thread too much but I'll be in DC end of next month. I'd like FT'ers opinions about the best restaurant in the area for Crab Cakes (I've read a lot of reviews).
Will be at the Washington Hospital Center but the restaurant could be most anywhere within reach of the Metro (including suburbs).
Thanks for the help.
This will be quite a debate as 9 out of every 10 restaurants in the area has crab cakes on the menu! Are you interested in appetizer size servings? or the full meal deal?
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13F

Best Crab Cakes in DC area. Jerry's Seafood, in PG count. but you probably can't get in. Best place in Baltimore, G&M's. Can't get in at lunch time.

G&M is worth the trip(near BWI) to see how ugly a restaurant has to be to get a Zagat 7 for decor. I most other areas, it would get a -7.

Both places fill with the area politicols and lobbiests.

I'm combining a little musical diversion with a mileage run that weekend so I believe the "full deal meal" for crab cakes would be in order.

I think my favorite would be Crisfield's in Silver Spring. http://www.crisfieldseafoodrestaurant.com/

The right answer with respect to crab cakes is that ya gotta go to a place with newspaper on the table, not linen. And never, ever eat at Phillip's.

For "haute cuisine"

1. Marcel's, 24th and Pennsylvania, NW
2. Caucus Room, 9th and D, NW
3. Gallileo, 21st and L, NW

For German/middle European

1. Old Europe, Wisconsin and Calvert, NW
2. Old Stein Inn, Route 214, Mayo, MD (5 miles south and 4 miles east of Annapolis)

For steakhouse food:

1. The Prime Rib, K between 20th and 21st NW
2. Lewnes' (in the Eastport district of Annapolis)

For all you can eat:

1. Fogo de Chao, 11th and Pennsylvania Ave NW

For killer ribs:

1. Johnny Boys', US 301 South, La Plata, MD

For moderately priced but good food:

1. Tom Sarris' Orleans House, Rosslyn, VA
2. The Fish Market, Old Town Alexandria
3. The Daily Grill, 18th and M, NW

Crab Houses:

1. Robertson's, Popes Creek MD (about MP 9 off US 301 in Charles Co., MD)
2. Cantler's, St. Margarets, MD (east of Annapolis but before the Bay Bridge)

For moderately priced but good food:

1. Tom Sarris' Orleans House, Rosslyn, VA
2. The Fish Market, Old Town Alexandria
3. The Daily Grill, 18th and M, NW

Crab Houses:

1. Robertson's, Popes Creek MD (about MP 9 off US 301 in Charles Co., MD)
2. Cantler's, St. Margarets, MD (east of Annapolis but before the Bay Bridge)

The Fish Market used to be good but the last time I was there (4 years ago), it was mediocre at best. Really has gone down hill.

Robertson's is good for atmosphere and all-you-can-eat but hardly the best for crabs. Back Rubs there though, are outstanding!

I've written elsewhere that Maestro is now my favorite restuarant in the U.S. ...and I take this kind of thing very seriously. :p (no, really...I do)

It's superb in all areas.

Cafe Atlantico on 8th for Latin or Jaleo on 7th for tapas. Atlantico always has the hottest door muffin in captivity, As my dining experience in DC is controlled by season tickets to the Shakespeare Theater on 7th, I can also recommend Andale on 7th (Southern Mexican or Mayan.) Try the Fess Parker wine.

gleff, has 701 recovered? It was the only choice when the Shakespeare theater moved from the Folger Shakespeare Library to the Lansburg on 7th, but it went downhill quickly when competition emerged. I haven't been there in many years.

If you're willing to trek up to Dupont Circle (Metro Red Line), Komi has awesome New American food. For oysters, check out Hank's Oyster Bar. Both are on 17th St.

In Chinatown (the "new" Downtown), I can highly recommend Zengo for Latin-Asian fusion, and IndeBleu for French-Indian fusion.

For upper brackets, I've always had great food at Citronelle in Georgetown, and arguably the best (and most expensive) restaurant in DC right now is CityZen at the MO|DC. Justifiably so, I might add.

For the suburbs, I'm glad someone mentioned Maestro (Tysons Corner) and Eve (Alexandria) coz they are both fiercely good!

Personally (and IMHO), I'd file Galileo, TenPenh, and Vidalia under "I'm not rushing back there anytime soon" :)

Agree with most of this, except -- I finally ate at Komi in January and the fish they cooked for me must have been in a reactive pan, it had a terrible metallic taste and I left before dessert. :td: Now, I understand that the place was closed for a few weeks and completely revamped since then. But I really am not keen to go back.

Also disagree on Citronelle, it can be very good but it's been rather uneven for me -- both in terms of food and service.

But 100% agree that CityZen is the best meal in the district proper, that in Virginia Maestro is in the same league, and that both compete with the food (though not the experience) of the Inn at Little Washington.

IndeBleu is very good though overpriced for what it is (same with 2941 in Fairview Park). Zengo is also very good, but its location next to the MCI Center can wreak havoc with traffic and valet parking attempts -- get there early!

And alas TenPenh and Vidalia are unimpressive.

If you're willing to trek up to Dupont Circle (Metro Red Line), Komi has awesome New American food. For oysters, check out Hank's Oyster Bar. Both are on 17th St.

In Chinatown (the "new" Downtown), I can highly recommend Zengo for Latin-Asian fusion, and IndeBleu for French-Indian fusion.

For upper brackets, I've always had great food at Citronelle in Georgetown, and arguably the best (and most expensive) restaurant in DC right now is CityZen at the MO|DC. Justifiably so, I might add.

For the suburbs, I'm glad someone mentioned Maestro (Tysons Corner) and Eve (Alexandria) coz they are both fiercely good!

Personally (and IMHO), I'd file Galileo, TenPenh, and Vidalia under "I'm not rushing back there anytime soon" :)

Give Komi another chance, gleff! I ate there last night with two friends and had a great experience. We each ordered the tasting menu, quite a bargain at $62. We started with green olives and stuffed dates, then had 6 small plates as appetizers. The baby octopus was out of this world. Next, we each had a pasta dish, all good, followed by the entree. We agreed that the lamb was outstanding, the tuna excellent, and the rabbit very good, though a little fatty. Next was a cheese course (selection of 3 cheeses) followed by dessert. Service was excellent and the staff was all very knowledgeable about the dishes. I liked the smaller sized dining room and the excellent spacing between tables. I'd put the quality of my dining experience at Komi in the same league as Maestro. I haven't made it to CityZen yet, but my foodie friends who have give it top marks, so I hope to get there soon.

Well, maybe I will go back to Komi -- I should say, in fairness, that their clove lollipops are great! :D

...I have enjoyed both 701 and oval room(lot of chef changes). Particularly, again when not busy. same person owns bombay club, which I have never made....


Just got back to my hotel room after having dinner at the Oval Room. Wow! We were a group of eight. Service was impeccable. Food superb. Very interesting presentation on some dishes. I had the scallop appetizer and rib steak entree. Both were thoroughly enjoyable. I will return.
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13F

We went to a Judd's Hill tasting dinner at Dino last night.

The drive to the place was pure hell. took an hour to go 15 miles, had to call the marrige consular twice.

The food was unbelievably great. Forget Gallieo, and Goldini. Don't look for food like this in Italy. I have only done tosca twice, and never been to maestro. I have done 14 trips to bologna, and 5 or 10 to rome venice, florence, etc.

Selected sauages for the risoto, steak with foie gras. so rich so good

the wines included a pinot and a petit syrah that we cannot get. a 97 cab from magnum and from bottle. they were very different. a 95 cab.

wine tastings are the way to go. Dino rocks.

dino is about 50 feet from a stop on the red line metro. do not drive.

I always have enjoyed Equinox.

The decor is unremarkable, but the food is fantastic- and includes a local flair, like quail and such. The food is impressive and its a short block walk to the white house, for a beautiful evening stroll afterwards.

jb

La Colline has closed.

Equinox rocks! Wonderful tasting

1789 and Kinkeads are over-rated.

The Fish Market in Alexandria is a dumpy tourist trap.

Crabcakes in DC? For lunch try the sandwich counter at Eastern Market (a destination unto itself...).

For a caz but nice lunch/dinner/brunch, I personally like the restaurant at Tabard Inn.

Sorry if it's not the right place to ask but you guys seem to know a lot about the area. We are at the TC Ritz in an executive suite next week (which hopefully was a good choice) and are looking for at least one 'fancy' meal out for our anniversary. However places like Maestro and others mentioned in this thread just don't appeal to me because I really don't like lot of the items or how the chefs add their own "signature" to items i normally would like. Now I realize there is a huge market for this fine dining and do realize some of you will say take a chance, but i dont want to take too much a chance away from our standard fare and risk spoiling our trip.

I was wondering are there any places that would have the same type of atmosphere and level of service but serve more, and please excuse the term, 'normal' food. I'm not talking burgers and fries and chicken nuggets, I want more than that :). We like things like scallops, crab/cakes, veal, filet, ribs and heck, even a good plate of spaghetti with a good choice of sauces (if you have ever been to Polistinas in AC you'll know what I mean. )

Thanks for induging me, I'm just trying to make the right choice for us.

We are at the TC Ritz in an executive suite next week (which hopefully was a good choice) and are looking for at least one 'fancy' meal out for our anniversary.

I am keying off of the fact that you are in Tyson's Corner. Very near to the RC is the Colvin Run Tavern by Bob Kinkead (of Kinkeads in DC). To be honest, from your description, I really don't know what your idea of "normal food" is, but I personally like CRT. You can check out the menu on the website to see if it is to your liking: http://www.kinkead.com/ (The website includes links for both Kinkeads and CRT).

A review from the Washingtonian is here: http://www.washingtonian.com/Dining/Profiles/colvinrun.html

Outside of Tyson's, you can always try all the other wonderful recommendations in DC.

I thought of Colvin Run...

Then it occurred to me that one of the excellent upscale steakhouses might fit the bill best for standard, uncomplicated fare.

In Tysons Corner there's The Palm and Sam & Harry's. I'm not really a steakhouse kind of guy so am not the right person to suggest which one is best. But that may be the best way to go...

I am keying off of the fact that you are in Tyson's Corner. Very near to the RC is the Colvin Run Tavern by Bob Kinkead (of Kinkeads in DC). To be honest, from your description, I really don't know what your idea of "normal food" is, but I personally like CRT. You can check out the menu on the website to see if it is to your liking: http://www.kinkead.com/ (The website includes links for both Kinkeads and CRT).

A review from the Washingtonian is here: http://www.washingtonian.com/Dining/Profiles/colvinrun.html

Outside of Tyson's, you can always try all the other wonderful recommendations in DC.

Sorry for the terrible use of normal, should be normal 'to me.' :)

I knew "normal" was gonna get me in trouble (and I dont eat often much in general anyway), but just for a reference, I've looked at the menu for Maestro and found maybe 2 things that would interest me (yes even had a coworker decode the stuff I didnt' know). Here are a few more menus I've reviewed and what looks good to me.

I took a peek at CRT and Kinkeads and yes, that's more in the types of food I would probably like. I reviewed The Capital Grille menu and that also appealed to me.

Someone pointed me to http://www.fogodechao.com/dining.htm and that definitely looks like a fun experience. I'll have to search the board to see what kind of recommendations they have on that.


I thought of Colvin Run...

Then it occurred to me that one of the excellent upscale steakhouses might fit the bill best for standard, uncomplicated fare.

In Tysons Corner there's The Palm and Sam & Harry's. I'm not really a steakhouse kind of guy so am not the right person to suggest which one is best. But that may be the best way to go...

I like the term uncomplicated fare. Much more accurate than my description of normal for me. Thank you.

Palm is VERY much like what I had in mind menu wise. I'll have to dig for S/H menu, didn't find it yet.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm just trying to make this exciting for my wife without going to a place she may not be able to find something she likes...she's very picky..picked me afterall :)

Well, if we are going for steak houses, there is also Morton's, in the same complex as Colvin Run Tavern. Same experience that you would get at a Morton's, if you don't mind a chain, albeit an upscale one.

My wife's not necessarily a huge steak fan, but read up on fogo....seems almost like a fun place. May have to venture into town for it. Especially if the only difference between lunch and dinner is the price.

Are there any 'less busy' times in DC. I dont mind 2-4pm meals at all if it lessens the crowds.

And any recommendations for parking near Fogo? I'm assuming it's a huge premium there in that location though, especially the middle of the day.

Also wondering if the Palm is an above avg noisy place? The pic of the dining room leads me to believe it can get pretty intense in there with the wood floors etc.

Yea i'm insane and like to be totally informed :)

You are BEGGING to go to The Palm. It's got the menu you desire, the upscale nature worthy of a special occasion, and is literally next door (about 100 yards walking) to the RC. While it is a bit noisy (aren't ALL Palms?), you could request a quieter table when making your reservation. Tim, the GM, is great about taking care of all his customers.

I have had two disappointing experiences at Colvin Run and won't bother going back. There are simply too many other nice places to keep spending money at a joint that overpromises and underdelivers.

I have had two disappointing experiences at Colvin Run and won't bother going back. There are simply too many other nice places to keep spending money at a joint that overpromises and underdelivers.
Colvin Run was initially disappointing when I first went (late '02?), but has gotten better since.

I'm probably dating myself, but what happened to the people that were Maison Blanche?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE5D9163BF937A15754C0A9679482 60&sec=travel&pagewanted=all

Used to be a staple. :)

You are BEGGING to go to The Palm. It's got the menu you desire, the upscale nature worthy of a special occasion, and is literally next door (about 100 yards walking) to the RC. While it is a bit noisy (aren't ALL Palms?), you could request a quieter table when making your reservation. Tim, the GM, is great about taking care of all his customers.


The TC Palm is not too noisy, especially if you go on the earlier side. Definitely request a table in the back room (a great choice if not closed for a private party) or a booth in the front foyer. Check and see if the NY strip/crab leg special is still on ^

You are BEGGING to go to The Palm. It's got the menu you desire, the upscale nature worthy of a special occasion, and is literally next door (about 100 yards walking) to the RC. While it is a bit noisy (aren't ALL Palms?), you could request a quieter table when making your reservation. Tim, the GM, is great about taking care of all his customers.


The TC Palm is not too noisy, especially if you go on the earlier side. Definitely request a table in the back room (a great choice if not closed for a private party) or a booth in the front foyer. Check and see if the NY strip/crab leg special is still on ^

Logically yes you are right, it seems the palm makes the most sense and it's almost like it was destiny staying next to it. I saw on the reservation page that it's non smoking correct? Just want to warn her.

We definitely dont mind going early. The web page http://www.thepalm.com/sitemain.cfm?site_id=19 is a tad confusing as it says something about dinner 3? - 11 but 5 is probably what they meant and I'd have no problem eating at 5.

Thanks for the seating suggestions. I'm assuming that there are no booths in the back room? I only ask because of my wife's back etc and it's easier but I'm sure she could deal with a chair in the back if it's more quiet. :) I at least want to give her options. (and also impress her with the knowledge you guys have given me :))

My next question would be, does anyone have an idea of what they might be able to do special for our 10th anniversary? Didn't know if they could make her up a special dessert etc if i called them a few days before.

I'm probably dating myself, but what happened to the people that were Maison Blanche?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE5D9163BF937A15754C0A9679482 60&sec=travel&pagewanted=all

Used to be a staple. :)

The restaurant closed a number of years ago. was owned by the daughter of the founder(who knows??) She retired, the Matre d(who knows?) opened a Russian restaurant iin No VA somewhere, then converted it to a steak house, then disappeared.

Regarding colvin run. classic kinkaid kooking, designed for people who want "normal" food. A fish house with steaks also.

The Palm really does start serving dinner at 3, but it's 5 on the weekends (when they're not open for lunch).

I don't know if they can create a special dessert, but they really do aim to please. Ask to speak to Tim, the GM, and explain that it's your 10th anniversary and see if he has any suggestions for ways to make it special. Depending on whether or not they are sold for other parties, he may be able to arrange private dining just for you in one of the separated rooms, for example.

If steaks, then go to Ruth's Chris in Crystal City. This location has a great view.

The Palm really does start serving dinner at 3, but it's 5 on the weekends (when they're not open for lunch).

I don't know if they can create a special dessert, but they really do aim to please. Ask to speak to Tim, the GM, and explain that it's your 10th anniversary and see if he has any suggestions for ways to make it special. Depending on whether or not they are sold for other parties, he may be able to arrange private dining just for you in one of the separated rooms, for example.

Thanks. 3 is early but I know that will work out to our advantage. I see what they can do for me :)

My first visit to Cityzen is scheduled for this Tuesday evening. Is there anything I should know going in?


Thanks,
DR

well call me different, but my favorites include

bistro du coin (it's loud but a lot of fun)
http://www.bistrotducoin.com/

meza on 18th street (very underrated)

Grill from Ipanema

and I'm amazed no one mentioned cafe milano (for the scene rather than the food)

though I also like cafe atlantico.

I think rosa mexicana is a bit overrated.

well call me different, but my favorites include

bistro du coin (it's loud but a lot of fun)
http://www.bistrotducoin.com/

meza on 18th street (very underrated)

Grill from Ipanema

and I'm amazed no one mentioned cafe milano (for the scene rather than the food)

though I also like cafe atlantico.

I think rosa mexicana is a bit overrated.

Cafe Milano is memorable only if you like to see which "celebrities" are trying to pick up females. Otherwise the food is definitely off putting too. :D

Unlike Cafe Milano in Georgetown, Cafe Atlantico has done a reasonably good job of holding up on the food side over the years.

I've now been to Butterfield 9 twice. Both times it was excellent. Service and food, were pretty much flawless.

Minibar changes their "menu" (if you can call it a menu) a couple of times a year. As such you can make it an annual (or semi-annual) outing and still find the food interesting. For those who haven't been, it is the kind of experience where you walk away saying, "that was really fun and interesting, but I don't want Foie Gras crusted with fritos and dipped in cotton candy, every night."

My first visit to Cityzen is scheduled for this Tuesday evening. Is there anything I should know going in?


Thanks,
DR

We chose Cityzen's tasting menu which, interestingly, is less adventurous than the a la carte. All were pleased with the offerings. The trout stood out above the rest. Desert....creme caramel (misleading b/c it was far more creative than a regular creme caramel), was outstanding.

Service was not poor, but it was definitely below average. Had to ask for bread, then had to ask for butter (with no explanation of what was salted and what wansnt, no sommelier to take the wine order...i had questions and the waiter respnded with an oh-so-helpful, "choose whatever you want". The hostess had less personality than an android.

Maestro is where my personal bar is set and Cityzen fell well short. It's very good, but not in Maestro's league. Better menu, better service, better wine, better setting, better food execution at Maestro. Better desert at Cityzen.

The trout stood out above the rest. Bingo, CityZen does trout better than any place I can ever recall eating (I like it more than Tetsuya's, and trout is his signature dish!).

Maestro is where my personal bar is set and Cityzen fell well short. It's very good, but not in Maestro's league. We're in the minority here, at least from what I've heard among friends lately, but I agree with you. Just contrast the open kitchens. Cityzen is a bit boisterous. Maestro is virtually silent (only the chef and sous chef speak, everyone else acknowledges them into headsets). I agree, Maestro is all-around more refined.

Bingo, CityZen does trout better than any place I can ever recall eating (I like it more than Tetsuya's, and trout is his signature dish!).

We're in the minority here, at least from what I've heard among friends lately, but I agree with you. Just contrast the open kitchens. Cityzen is a bit boisterous. Maestro is virtually silent (only the chef and sous chef speak, everyone else acknowledges them into headsets). I agree, Maestro is all-around more refined.

As you might expect...I agree.

Last night's visit to Cityzen got me thinking:
I lived in DC for a handful of years and moved away 6 years ago. After a stop or two along the way, I now live in NYC but have been spending a few nights a weeks in DC the past couple of months (usually at the Mandarin).

New York still blows away DC in the food area in just about every category IMHO. However...when it comes to star-chef fine dining, DC might have an edge. It's rare to find the chef in the kitchen in NYC. Per Se? Nope. JG? Rarely. Any Batali joint? Nope...he's too busy posing for Chef Boy RD like cans of tomato soup. Ducasse? Ha...yeah right! Morimoto? NYC/PHL/NRT split (though he was on hand for a great meal in Philly a coule of years ago).

Maestro? Fabio has been there every time. Cityzen? Ziebold was there on a Tuesday doing his thing. I hear Richard has his mind on more than his kitchen at his relatively advanced age (Ziebold is 34, Trab. 32).

I don't know if this really holds water...just a theory.

We might have to give Maestro's a second shot after re-reading the reviews. My wife hosted a dinner for her company, about 12 all together, in the private room with a window into the kitchen about a month ago.

Service was almost adequate, a couple of mix ups on the orders (and this from a limited menu.) When I ordered a second martini I asked for it to be much drier than the first, it came back as a perfect (1/3 vermouth, 2/3 vodka.)

Unfortunately the kitchen had a very heavy hand with the salt shaker that night and it was the common thread tying together all 6 or 7 courses, with the exception of the cheese & desert courses...

Cheers,
Jeff

In the course of getting the daughter graduated from Georgetown last week/weekend, we dined at the following:

Kolumbia (http://www.restaurantkolumbia.com/) (amusingly enough located on "K" St.): Outstanding! Wife and daughter had fish; I had the tasting menu with wine pairings. The tasting menu was a bit unique in that what I got was the Chef's choice, not mine (i.e., each course was a surprise). But I took the chance on letting the Chef make the selections because I honestly did not see anything on the menu that I would not order. Taking the chance worked superbly for me. After the meal, had a great conversation with the chef (Jamie Stachowski).

Kinkead's: In spite of other reviews calling it over rated, we again had an outstanding dining experience.

Ristorante Tosca: (http://www.toscadc.com/) One of the most superb dinners we have ever had.

Cafe Atlantico: Continues to meet and exceed expectations. My bacon-wrapped pheasant was particularly unique ... and OUTSTANDING! One of these days, I hope to be successful in snagging a reservation at the the Minibar (3 for 3 failures so far).

Mie N Yu: We had a more unique "table" (kind of inside a barrel) than on our first visit, but the food on this second visit was not as impressive as our first visit. Would still kind of recommend it for the "experience" and decor.

DC Coast at 14th & K Streets

I second the DC Coast recommendation. I was just there a month ago and had a great meal. The truffled mashed potatoes are excellent as always, and the beignets are great.

I liked the decor of Cityzen but can't remember much about the food...

Downtown, is still great. Been a few years since I was there, but made it back last week. Still as good as always. They pour a stiff drink at the bar. The sevice is very good, and the beef is the best in town. Men have to have a coat and tie, but seems as most people in DC do anyway.

La Brasserie
239 Massachusetts Avenue NE (a few blocks from the Capitol)

Have only had lunch there but each time it ws excellent. Great place for people watching, at it seems to be a popular haunt for senators.

citronelle
• Citronelle: Chef Michel Richard will guide home cooks through the preparation of a three-course meal from his newly published cookbook, Happy in the Kitchen, during a series of demonstration classes; afterwards, participants will eat the lesson, paired with wine, for lunch (classes held on September 21 and 28, October 5 and 12 and December 14; 10:30 AM–2:30 PM; $130 each; 202-339-6304).

alas, price went up about 30% over his last series :td:

We'll be in DC in January. What's your opinion on Filomena Ristorante.
1063 Wisconsin Ave. NW
(bet. K & M Sts.)
Washington, DC
202-338-8800

I've been researching many of the restaurants already written about. Some of them are a little pricey ie $100 a person; and, some of them get just passable ratings from Zagat.

I'd like to have dinner in Georgetown.

We'll be in DC in January. What's your opinion on Filomena Ristorante.

Second hand (from our daughter who graduated from Georgetown last May) regarding Filomena:

- Known as one of Bill Clinton's favorite restaurants.
- Homemade pasta has an excellent reputation.
- Brunch is rated very highly (high quality, large variety/portions, reasonable price)

Nevertheless, the Daughter believes it is basically overrated, particularly for dinner ... that there are better places in Georgetown.

We'll be in DC in January. What's your opinion on Filomena Ristorante.
1063 Wisconsin Ave. NW
(bet. K & M Sts.)
Washington, DC
202-338-8800

I've been researching many of the restaurants already written about. Some of them are a little pricey ie $100 a person; and, some of them get just passable ratings from Zagat.

I'd like to have dinner in Georgetown.

Second hand (from our daughter who graduated from Georgetown last May) regarding Filomena:

- Known as one of Bill Clinton's favorite restaurants.
- Homemade pasta has an excellent reputation.
- Brunch is rated very highly (high quality, large variety/portions, reasonable price)

Nevertheless, the Daughter believes it is basically overrated, particularly for dinner ... that there are better places in Georgetown.

Because of nostalgia is the primary reason to end up there.

I used to go to Filomena pretty routinely about 5-15 years ago and then stopped going entirely as the food started being really inconsistent sometimes. (It used to be Helmut Kohl's favorite restaurant in DC too .... even after he had retired; also, Clinton doesn't end up there like he used to, and not with Helmut Kohl any longer.)

What kind of food do you want and what kind of environment? Whatever you do don't end up eating in the Harbor at Sequoia's.

What kind of food do you want and what kind of environment?

I'm open to just about any type of food. My budget is $100-$125 for both of us.
Trendy is ok. Down and dirty with outstanding food would be better.

No steak places. No pub food.

FYI, I spent time researching just about most of the places listed in this thread. I also read tripadvisor. The only general opinion I can make is that everyone seems to like poorly rated restaurants. :eek:
Or, maybe it's Zagats problem. :p

Also, I'm not married to dinner in Georgetown. And just as an FYI, we're staying in Alexandria's Old Town.

Thanks.

Alexandria is much less expensive than georgetown. I think that with a few exceptions, voiced earlier in this string, Zagat is pretty accurate for the dc area. just add or subtract 2 or 3 or 5 points from all ratings to get your number.

in crystal city try jaleo

in alex try bistro layfaette(1/2 price wine on mon), evening star(buy wine at the tied in liquor store), vermilion, stardust(really exotic cooking).

Because of nostalgia is the primary reason to end up there.

I used to go to Filomena pretty routinely about 5-15 years ago and then stopped going entirely as the food started being really inconsistent sometimes. (It used to be Helmut Kohl's favorite restaurant in DC too .... even after he had retired; also, Clinton doesn't end up there like he used to, and not with Helmut Kohl any longer.)

What kind of food do you want and what kind of environment? Whatever you do don't end up eating in the Harbor at Sequoia's.

I'm open to just about any type of food. My budget is $100-$125 for both of us.
Trendy is ok. Down and dirty with outstanding food would be better.

No steak places. No pub food.

FYI, I spent time researching just about most of the places listed in this thread. I also read tripadvisor. The only general opinion I can make is that everyone seems to like poorly rated restaurants. :eek:
Or, maybe it's Zagats problem. :p

Also, I'm not married to dinner in Georgetown. And just as an FYI, we're staying in Alexandria's Old Town.

Thanks.

It seems like Zagat's DC 2005 edition used words submitted by me in regard to Filomena. :o (It wouldn't be the first time.)

DC restaurants' food ratings in Zagat seem to me more tied to perception about the crowd that goes there and the perception of professional service than necessarily tied to quality of the food as far as I can tell. (Fortunately, that only yields somewhat higher ratings than deserved.) People seem to bounce up the food ratings as price rises too up to a point too.

I'd go with gleff's recommendation ..... or end up at the typical DC places with sufficiently edible food but more an emphasis on "atmosphere" (of some sort or another) than on food and service.

I've been eating a lamb steak of some sort at Peacock Cafe in Georgetown quite a bit as of late. I don't know exactly why -- it's certainly not the service, nor is it my scene, nor is lamb usually my kind of meat -- but an associate got me hooked to it.

We have eaten at Filomena several times over the years and find the food to be fine. It is not the best Italian I have ever had, but it is certainly well above average.

in alex try bistro layfaette(1/2 price wine on mon), evening star(buy wine at the tied in liquor store), vermilion, stardust(really exotic cooking).

Bistro Lafayette is a good option for traditional French bistro food. I go at lunch for their 3-course $16.95 fixed price menu ... choice of salad, soup of the day, or pate (unless the soup is french onion, i choose the pate)... choice of entree (i always pick the beef burgonogne), and choice of dessert.

Don't expect anything creative -- just good examples of classic dishes without additional creativity.

in crystal city try jaleo


I have to second Jaleo, but I prefer the original in DC next to the Shakespeare Theatre. I took my folks there when they were visiting me while I was living in SW DC in 1995 and they STILL talk about it. Went there on a date a few months back and it's still as good as it was then.

Another vote for Jaleo (Spanish tapas). Haven't been to the Crystal City one, but DC is great, albeit crowded at times.

Another vote for Jaleo (Spanish tapas). Haven't been to the Crystal City one, but DC is great, albeit crowded at times.

When we went to Jaleo, the chef was being interviewd at the next table by a writer from Gourmet. We had the same waiter. Nevertheless, he paid great attention to us and we had a memorable meal. I would go back in a heartbeat.

Down and dirty with outstanding food would be better.



I would suggest Old Glory BBQ in Georgetown.

http://www.oldglorybbq.com/

Never has let me down for good BBQ and decent conversation. Definitely not trendy but well within, if not below, the price range given.

If BBQ is not your thing, I'd say Jaleo.

BTW, Where'd you end up going?

I disagree with everyone in this thread except for Podroza

mrs gleff used to cook at both Maestro and Restaurant Eve, and are definitely recommended. Restaurant Eve won't be convenient to where you're staying, but is worth the trip.

We recently had dinner at minibar, my extensive review (with pictures) is here:
http://blogs.flyertalk.com//blogs/viewwing/archives/2005/12/mini_bar_at_caf.html

2941 is definitely good but prices are up about 25% or more over what they were a year ago. This used to be my favorite regular spot (I'd go every month or two) but is no longer worth it. It's in Northern Virginia and not at all convenient to where you're staying.

The best meal in the city proper is without a doubt CityZen... review here:
http://blogs.flyertalk.com//blogs/viewwing/archives/2005/10/dinner_at_the_m.html

Citronelle can be good but also erratic, and service is so so. Amex can sometimes get you a table when otherwise unavailable.

Indebleu is another good spot, French-Indian fusion and decor is a bit W-esque.

Not at all a fan of TenPenh, thoroughly unimpressive. Galileo is fine, but I like Tosca better. I haven't had a better than average meal at Vidalia in years. :td:

Whatever you do, avoid Poste at the Hotel Monaco.

Agree on all of these, thmbs down on TenPenh, total thumbs up on Minibar. Good review. By the way, the price has increased to $120 and the menu's been taken up a notch by Katsuya.

Also, Cafe Atlantico itself is to be recommended ... and for those who can't get a reservation (only two seatings, with 6 seats, per day, they get booked fairly quickly, 30 days in advance), the next-best thing you can do is the "dim sum tapas brunch" they have on Saturdays and Sundays. This is also a huge bargain, with little delightful dishes for $2 to $5 each. You can get a 15-course tasting menu (with a few overlaps from Minibar) for a bit over $30 ...

I would also

If you're a fan of chinese, the best I've ever had is Peking Gourmet Inn, tucked into the front of an unassuming shopping center on Route 7 (King Street) just past Bailey's crossroads, about 5 miles out from Old Town Alexandria. The locals agree - it's typically an hour wait for a table without a reservation on weekends, and the walls of the entire _huge_ place are covered with photos of pretty much every member of congress, the local media, and more. It was GB's favorite place when he was in the White House, and they built a special room with bullet-proof glass for him. You can't go wrong with the peking duck, and make sure to try the garlic sprouts (home-grown by the owners on their large farm) if they are in season.

$100-$125 should be just right for two people, including drinks.

Recommend DCFoodies.com for good reviews of many of the restaurants on this list. I haven't gotten around nearly as much as I'd like to, but I'll put hats in the ring for Komi, Brasserie Beck, Equinox, Merkado...

I used to be a big fan of Viridian, but they made a lot of changes and I'm not so impressed anymore.

I haven't tried this yet, but it sounds really cool.

(From DC Foodies.com)

To Market/To Market dinner that Robert Weland at Poste Brasserie is doing every Thursday night. Starting at 6 PM, You meet at Post Brasserie in Penn Quarter and Robert takes you shopping at the Penn Quarter farmers Market for fresh ingredients which he then prepares for you for dinner in a special dining area near his own garden. On top of that, the meal is served with a selection of biodynamic wines selected to go with the dishes that Robert creates. The meal costs $60 per person. For reservations, call or email Dani Williams-Jones at 202 783 6060 x162 or Dani.Williams-Jones@postebrasserie.com.

The top 50 came out Sunday in the Wash Post magazine section. looks like a fairly honest selection, although I am a bit uncomfortable with a number of the places mentioned that have been open less than 3-6 months.

Indebleu is another good spot, French-Indian fusion and decor is a bit W-esque.

Not at all a fan of TenPenh, thoroughly unimpressive. Galileo is fine, but I like Tosca better. I haven't had a better than average meal at Vidalia in years. :td:

Whatever you do, avoid Poste at the Hotel Monaco.

Agree on Tosca and Poste. Disagree vehemently about Indebleu. It is by far the worst restaurant in Washington DC. Everytime I go it gets worse -- I think they keep changing things in an attempt to make it a decent place. They should give up and just make it into a nightclub. The service is pretentious, the menu awkward, overpriced, and disappointing. Nice how they charge $4 or so for every Iced Tea, too.

IndeBleu has been off my list for over a year.

IndeBleu has been off my list for over a year.

Good call

We'll be in town this weekend. We both spent years living in DC in the 90's so we know the old standbys especially in Georgetown (1789, Citronelle, Filomenas, etc). We're looking for new places to check out. (I've read the thread and have noted a couple of places to check out.)

Any updates? New places to check out, new revalations?
Any opinions about Nora's? Cashion's? Thanks

We'll be in town this weekend. We both spent years living in DC in the 90's so we know the old standbys especially in Georgetown (1789, Citronelle, Filomenas, etc). We're looking for new places to check out. (I've read the thread and have noted a couple of places to check out.)

Any updates? New places to check out, new revalations?
Any opinions about Nora's? Cashion's? Thanks

I thought Nora's was a great meal. I had somewhat low expectations (for no specific reason), but everyone in my party was impressed. Some really interesting, flavorful combinations and generous portions.

CityZen - best restaurant in DC
The Source - best newcomer, real potential, currently my #2
Eve - in Old Town Alexandria, outstanding
Maestro - closed, will wait to see what a new chef can do
2941 - waiting to see what the new chef can do
Citronelle - I don't care what anyone says, too inconsistent for what you pay, not as if Michel Richard is cooking for you every night
Central - Richard's other place in town, good, overpriced for what it is and it's supposed to be a value
Minibar - the most interesting meal in DC, our version of El Bulli, but you only go once every few years.
Tosca - consistent upscale Italian, not amazing, but my favorite place for Restaurant Week
PS7 - need to try it again, 6 months ago was really outstanding
Farrah Olivia - very good for Alexandria (Alexandria's second best)
Black Salt - other people like this place, I don't get it
Vidalia - once great, then terrible, now 'good'
Hook - I wasn't impressed, but many are, good 'for Georgetown' - likely to be terrible in a year
Willow - don't make a trip, good for Ballston, worth eating here if you're staying at the Westin Arlington
DC Coast - consistent food, busy, not great service

For a latin flavor I still like Oyamel and Ceiba. For a bit more downscale French comfort food, Bistrot Lafayette in Old Town. (And Cafe du Parc at the Willard makes for a nice Sunday brunch during the time of year when you can eat outside, but then if you're going for a nice spot rather than the food it's worth going to Indigo Landing near DCA... closed until summer... food isn't good but it's a wonderful location).

DC does Vietnamese (anything in the Eden Center!) and Thai (Dungrats, several on Van Dorn in South Alexandria, and there's a newer, nicer place in Fairfax that's supposed to be good I haven't tried yet).

Oh, and give Nora's a miss. Last time I was there they brought me my duck well done, and argued with me when I objected ("That's how duck is prepared in DC.")

Equinox--my favorite place in DC.

I'm amazed that The Old Ebbitt Grill isin't mentioned once in this thread. The food is a great value, service top notch, and location and atmosphere can't be beat!

Although this thread trends more towards fancy, pricey foods, I have one restaurant to suggest: Panjshir. With two restaurants in the DC area, Panjshir serves absolutely incredible Afghan food that is also really reasonably priced. What's also nice is that they are a family run business and as my family has gone there for the past 20+ years, I get a greeting from the owner every time I go. One caution though, the service there is incredibly slow, even when the restaurant is empty.

Gotta add Eric Ripert's Westend Bistro to the list.

We had a great mezze meal at Zaytinya at 701 Ninth Street NW. ^

I'm amazed that The Old Ebbitt Grill isin't mentioned once in this thread. The food is a great value, service top notch, and location and atmosphere can't be beat!

Pretty much a tourist trap or B&T types.

Pretty much a tourist trap or B&T types.

Yeah...interesting that I (a food addict) lived in DC 8 years and went there a total of 0 times.

Yeah...interesting that I (a food addict) lived in DC 8 years and went there a total of 0 times.

the november oyster pig out is noteworthy. other than that, it is just another Clyde's. but then again, DC loves all the steak houses.

These are all great suggestions. With such a wide variety of tastes, plenty to choose from.

What about best cheap meal? Where can I get the most meal for the fewest dollars? I do need to concentrate in the tourist areas (restricted by public transportation).

I am a teacher, so money is hard to come by. For our one night splurge, we will try out CityZen.

Thank you all for the suggestions!

Kevin

... DC has no great steakhouses, although the Morton's steakhouses in the area are fine enough.

I don't know what others think makes a great steakhouse, but I think the Capital Grilles in DC are great steakhouses. I've never been disappointed with any aspect of my dinners at both the PA Ave & Tyson's locations. The dry aged steaks are the best cuts of steak I've ever had.

Hank

These are all great suggestions. With such a wide variety of tastes, plenty to choose from.

What about best cheap meal? Where can I get the most meal for the fewest dollars? I do need to concentrate in the tourist areas (restricted by public transportation).

I am a teacher, so money is hard to come by. For our one night splurge, we will try out CityZen.

Thank you all for the suggestions!

Kevin

for the price of city zen, you can probably eat well for a whole week.

instead of city zen, i would recommend you consider blue duck or obelisk for about half the price. i have not been to seasons in years. they might also be worth a look.

You might also want to try Ray's the Steaks in Arlington just a few blocks hike up Wilson Boulevard from Rosslyn Metro station.

I'd say that the obvious cheap places are some of the Chinese restaurants, some in Chinatown (Gallery Place / Penn Quarter / Chinatown). Chinatown Express is one example in Chinatown. For a moderately-priced meal, there are some reasonably priced tapas places, such as La Tosca and Jaleo also in this area.

Real cheap: Julia's empanadas, but more of a take-away place, not sit down.

Malaysian Kopitam, downtown, is also reasonably priced and is a regular sit down restaurant.

The Cosi chain is in D.C. (higher end sandwiches). There's Five Guys (hamburgers, etc.).

Luna Grill in Dupont Circle.

These are all great suggestions. With such a wide variety of tastes, plenty to choose from.

What about best cheap meal? Where can I get the most meal for the fewest dollars? I do need to concentrate in the tourist areas (restricted by public transportation).

I am a teacher, so money is hard to come by. For our one night splurge, we will try out CityZen.

Thank you all for the suggestions!

Kevin

Check out Ben's Chili Bowl - it's a DC institution for good eats at a great price.
http://www.benschilibowl.com/

If you are spending any time at the Smithsonian, grab lunch at the Mitsitam Café in the National Museum of the American Indian for good food also at reasonable prices. They serve native American indigenous cuisines.
http://www.nmai.si.edu/index.cfm

You may also want to check out the Breadline - a couple of blocks from the White House. Fabulous sandwiches.
http://thebreadlinedc.blogspot.com/

If you're in the Georgetown area and like Lebanese food (falafel, shwarma, etc.) I'd recommend George's Townhouse - The King of Falafel
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?node=cityguide/profile&id=1084393

Another good falafel shop is in Adam's Morgan - Amsterdam Falafel - much more limited menu - falafel and french fries, but tasty.
http://www.falafelshop.com/

Finally - here's a link to the Washingtonian Magazine's list of cheap eats - generally reliable, however, be warned that their 'moderate' priced restaurants are moderate in terms of the range of DC restaurants and can be a bit pricey.
http://www.washingtonian.com/restaurantreviews/3/index.html

Enjoy DC!

Cheers,
Jeff

You might also want to try Ray's the Steaks in Arlington just a few blocks hike up Wilson Boulevard from Rosslyn Metro station.

I went to Rays the Steaks for my birthday last year and the steak was great. You can also try Rays the Classics in Silver Spring for the same meat but you can get a reservation. Steaks has a no reservation policy.

For cheap eats I love Two Amys near the Cathedral for their pizza and wine bar; be prepared to wait but it is worth it. I also enjoy Kabab Palace in Crystal City; it is two Afghan restaurants one is a take out place open 24/7/365 and where all the cabbies eat. The other one is a sit down restaurant a couple of doors down and the food is quite tasty and reasonably priced; you can do dinner for ~$25-30 for two; just be prepared for slow service.

We were just down in DC for the Cherry Blossom festival over the weekend.

For dinner we went to Woo Lae Oak in Vienna, VA for Korean BBQ and it was very good. A bit pricy, even more than NYC but Korean BBQ is always about that much. Free valet parking.

For Sunday brunch we went to the Roof Terrace Restaurant at the Kennedy Center. Very good quality food, reasonable price for a Sunday brunch. Lots of old dressed up people though. The views were also nice, but a little cold that weekend. You can go up to enjoy the view for free however.

I'm amazed that The Old Ebbitt Grill isin't mentioned once in this thread. The food is a great value, service top notch, and location and atmosphere can't be beat!

Pretty much a tourist trap or B&T types.

I do not think they are a tourist trap. Their house special, cannelloni, is the best I've ever had. Their salads, chicken, steak, and hamburgers are all good.

It is also nice to see the same waiters there, year after year.

For a truly memorable evening, dine in the Willard Room at the Willard Hotel.

Without a doubt, the Willard Room is my favorite restaurant in DC. The atmosphere, service, and food are exceptional. I recommend the rack of lamb and prime rib.

The menu changes slightly each year and surprisingly this year's menu is cheaper than in previous years.

And after dinner take a stroll through Washington's most historic hotel.

I'd say that the obvious cheap places are some of the Chinese restaurants, some in Chinatown (Gallery Place / Penn Quarter / Chinatown). Chinatown Express is one example in Chinatown. For a moderately-priced meal, there are some reasonably priced tapas places, such as La Tosca and Jaleo also in this area.

Real cheap: Julia's empanadas, but more of a take-away place, not sit down.

Malaysian Kopitam, downtown, is also reasonably priced and is a regular sit down restaurant.

The Cosi chain is in D.C. (higher end sandwiches). There's Five Guys (hamburgers, etc.).

Luna Grill in Dupont Circle.

Gotta respectfully disagree with a few of these sugesstions. As I noted in another thread, Jaleo (and, for that matter, La Tosca) doesn't hold a candle to Zaytinya (same neighborhood, both have tapas, so easy comparison). Also, Cosi is a chain and not worth going to if you want to sample a unique DC experience. Julia Empanada's is late-night after leaving the bar food.

My wife and I have reservations for Friday night and I was curious if anyone had eaten there recently and had any comments to add.

My wife and I have reservations for Friday night and I was curious if anyone had eaten there recently and had any comments to add.

mcbride cooks like a dream, and the hired help does not know wine from whine. i had made a complaint that may create an adjustment.

mcbride cooks like a dream, and the hired help does not know wine from whine. i had made a complaint that may create an adjustment.

agree. food is exceptional but the service is terrible. Hosts are rude and would rather talk to one another than figure out why you have been waiting 30 minutes past your reservation. Waiters are basically college students that don't know much about what their kitchen creates.

It has kept me from going back until I hear it has improved. I hope your complaint does not fall on deaf ears.

Just a quick update on our dinner at Blue Duck Tavern the other night. The food was quite good, although not exceptional. I have had better meals elsewhere. As others have mentioned, the service was.......odd. It wasn't particularly poor, but just so understated as to be noticable. I got the sense that they (the restaurant) were trying to project that sort of image and it just came off kind of stange.

I didn't get the impression that any of the waitstaff were necesarily professionals in the sense that they have been at it a long time. I remember dinners at the Melrose (precursor to the Blue Duck) where the staff were quite good to excelent.

I didn't get the impression that any of the waitstaff were necesarily professionals in the sense that they have been at it a long time. I remember dinners at the Melrose (precursor to the Blue Duck) where the staff were quite good to excelent.


I think the average age of the Melrose staff was about my age.(past retirement age) I think the same people were there for many years. many more than i frequented the place. i was always recognized immediately by most.(that of course makes them very good)

a couple of years ago, the Park Hyatt shut down Melrose for a year to remodel. my guess is that the Mellrose wait staff scattered, as there is considerable demand for quality wait staff in dc, particularly with the explosion of high end restaurants. and hotels.

the staff i talked to were kids, many still in college. would not know a sauce spoon from a soup spoon.