Travel Itineraries for GLBT travellers? [Archive]

peteropny

Apr 23, 02, 11:58 am

Originally posted by shauna:

Guy Betsy, I'm not so sure this topic is a good idea. It smacks of "us versus them" and it doesn't really fit into the guideline for this forum: "Share your tips, recommendations, and advice on gay [b]travel here." That's
travel not travelers.

This brings to mind a sort of gay dating board. Why not just email people you're interested in meeting.

Shauna - robb (our moderator) has made his position on this discussion clear on the "Closed Thread" thread a few days ago. I think that we should strongly encourage people to cross post both here and the main itinerary forum. It just maybe easier for "us" to sift through here in case our paths cross and just want to meet for a drink. It serves the same purpose as the main itinerary forum.

[This message has been edited by peteropny (edited 04-23-2002).]

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shauna

Apr 23, 02, 1:34 pm

Peteropny, thanks for the heads-up about the "Closed Thread" thread.

While I appreciate the well-intended efforts and time donated by the moderator, I don't agree with the cross posting suggestion. Neither do the FlyerTalk Travel rules, which state:
Identical posts placed on more than one discussion thread. Many participants in our community are very frequent visitors and weeding through the same message in multiple locations can be frustrating, and downright annoying. Good online manners dictate that you don't post the same message more than once. The online word for posting the same message in multiple locations is "spamming." We don't allow that.

As to whether this post is on-topic:
•The original poster Guy Betsy asked a question: "Shall we start one here that's relevant to 'us' should we so wish to also meet other GLBT members. We can just copy and paste from the main board when he post it there!"
•This and my previous response provide a direct answer:"No", with reasons clearly stated.

wharvey

Apr 23, 02, 7:58 pm

I will restate my personal opinion... if certain FTers want to meet up with "family" - and I mean GLBT family... then I believe this is a better place for that.

I hate to imagine the flame wars that would get started in Community if someone posted that they would love to have dinner or drinks with GLBT travellers in a certain city.

There are times I might want to just meet up with that GLBT family... rather than the greater community.

Just my personal opinion.

William

dgolds

Apr 23, 02, 11:27 pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but I would like to post a link to the long thread that contains the main discussion for the origination of this forum, to provide some context:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000548.html

wherein there is plenty of argument against this forum being the basis for a separate community. Personally if I had known that there was an intention to use this forum for get togethers as well as exchanging information about gay travel experiences and issues (such as some of the other excellent threads here), I would not have advocated for this board.

(Edited to correct grammatical errors)

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Punki

Apr 24, 02, 6:17 am

I was one of the FlyerTalk Board members who fought long and hard for the establishment of a GLBT board for the purpose of discussing issues specific to GLBT travelers. I did so because I can see some very serious travel issues related specifically to GLBT travelers, i.e. getting a king size bed when checking in with a same sex partner, or safety issues in certain counties. Some very vocal board members were very much opposed to the establishment of this forum, specifically because they were concerned that it would become exclusionary and that GLBT would begin to post GBLT get togethers, GLBT itineraries, etc., and separate itself from the general FlyerTalk Community.

It would make me very sad indeed to see the GLBT community prove the naysayers correct and make it more difficult for other special interest groups to have their own forum on FlyerTalk in the future.

It would also make me sad to be excluded from a party with my friends Comicwoman or dgolds. Not that I don't think there are/should be times when we get together privately with just a few selected friends we just happened to meet on FlyerTalk, I do that all the time. I firmly believe, however, the planning of and discussions surrounding those "exclusive" meetings should not be referred to anywhere on the boards and that all itineraries posted should be posted in the general Itineraries forum.

geo1004

Apr 24, 02, 7:24 am

Thank you Punki... I agree with you 100%.

As I posted elsewhere, I would hate to find out that there was a FT get-together in my neighborhood but I didn't know about it because it was only posted in the GLBT forum.

I think the GLBT forum is a great place to discuss those travel issues that are specific to GLBT travelers. Posts about get-togethers should, IMHO, go in the Community forum for all to see.

Rudi

Apr 24, 02, 7:36 am

together with Punki (and others) I was, at that time, a TalkBoard member and we heavily argued (and voted) for this GLBT forum.

Please don't proof now our arguments to be wrong (don't seperate you please from the general FlyerTalk community).

I post here, because a good friend asked me (without influencing my opinion) to read here and voice my opinion.

[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 04-24-2002).]

AusTXHiker

Apr 24, 02, 10:25 am

Punki has summarized it beautifully. As a community, we should not encourage exclusionary meetings. If you want to get together with a select group of friends, you can do that privately. Otherwise, we are all FlyerTalkers. Our travel itineraries should be posted in the Community forum IMHO.

wharvey

Apr 24, 02, 11:23 am

Rudi,

Just a slight correction to your post... I do not believe you and Punki were part of the vote that established this Forum... that occurred after you had left Talkboard...

Just correcting this because I do not want people here believing this Forum had been approved by TB months before it was implemented.

It was implemented within a few days of our approving the forum.

William

svpii

Apr 24, 02, 11:44 am

I've waffled around over this for several days. Basically, I understand the appeal, and perhaps even the logic, of cross-posting certain kind of schedules. For instance, there was recently a guy who found he had an unexpected layover in CLT and posted that day in Community but cross-posted in US, assuming correctly that most CLT residents would be US flyers.

But I do agree that we already have a forum that exists solely for the purpose of itineraries. And it seems to me that it would be intentionally exclusionary to post here rather than there. If you are only interested in meeting members of your 'family', then private email seems most appropriate. But I agree with others here - if some of my gay and lesbian friends were going to be in CLT and I missed discovering that fact because it wasn't posted where it was supposed to be, I'd be really disappointed.

We all need to train ourselves to seek this information out in the itinerary forum.. as opposed to taking the fail safe method of cross-posting.

Punki

Apr 24, 02, 2:26 pm

Wharvey, perhaps this is the vote that Rudi was referring to:

New Forum - GBLT Travel

Submitted By: BlondeBomber
Submission Date: 11-16-2001

Seconded By: Rudi
Seconded Date: 11-16-2001

Motion Request:

It is recommended that a separate forum named GBLT be created in the "Travel" section. This
should be contingent on successful recruitment of a moderator team to consist of minimally two FT members (preferably one GBLT and one straight) to moderate this thread. The subtext would state "Now you know where to get the skinny on GBLT travel".

A strong interest has been expressed by the GBLT community of FT. There are many pros and
cons and this continues to be a controversial issue. On balance, if handled sensitively, this should be seen as a positive contribution to FT. TOS still apply. The intent and stated purpose should be to highlight GBLT friendly properties and travel opportunities and a place to discuss problems encountered by GBLT travelers while travelling. It should be clearly stated when the forum is announced that FT Community is still the place for meets, that United Mileage Plus is still the place to post about United mileage earning etc.

This motion was made shortly prior to [Rudi submitting his reservation, at which time all Talk Board activity went on hold until Randy decided how to deal with the Talk Board vacancies.

kyklin

Apr 24, 02, 4:20 pm

Ditto! I like to meet *everyone* in the family. I'd be greatly disappointed if I never got to meet dgolds and learned that he was once married to a woman in the KGB. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif

chexfan

Apr 24, 02, 6:54 pm

Originally posted by Punki:
Wharvey, perhaps this is the vote that Rudi was referring to:

New Forum - GBLT Travel

Submitted By: BlondeBomber
Submission Date: 11-16-2001

Seconded By: Rudi
Seconded Date: 11-16-2001

Motion Request:

It is recommended that a separate forum named GBLT be created in the "Travel" section. This should be contingent on successful recruitment of a moderator team to consist of minimally two FT members (preferably one GBLT and one straight) to moderate this thread. The subtext would state "Now you know where to get the skinny on GBLT travel".Punki, please note that the above mentioned vote (http://flyertalk.com/townhall/scripts/viewnews.cgi?category=5&id=1015525850) never took place.

chexfan

Apr 24, 02, 6:56 pm

This was the vote that initiated the creation of the GLBT Forum (http://flyertalk.com/townhall/scripts/viewnews.cgi?category=3&id=1015522776).

robb

Apr 24, 02, 7:34 pm

While I'm about ready to cry uncle on this topic, I have to point out that no one has posted a "get-together."

The only get together I know of is in Chicago, and while it has mentioned briefly here, it has been covered extensively in Community.

svpii

Apr 24, 02, 7:40 pm

I'm quite certain that Rudi was not trying to take credit for a formal vote that occured after his/our departure. Undoubtedly he was thinking of some other vote. Since that fact seems to be quite important to a couple of you, I can confirm that although the 3 day debate period had ended, the vote was not held due to resignations that occured at that time.

The official vote took place after Rudi, Dorian, Punki, and I left. Remember, Cigarman let us know that if he had wanted to, he could have held up the vote, so we had him to thank for GLBT? So clearly that happened after our departure.

Hopefully, this fascinating issue is exhausted.

peteropny

Apr 24, 02, 8:45 pm

Ok, I'm feeling very exasperated with the way this thread is going. There is, and have been in existence for almost One Full Year, a similar thread in the USAir forum.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum51/HTML/001028.html

This particular USAir thread has posts from certain individuals who are now protesting this thread.

I don't see what is wrong with strongly suggesting that people cross-post in both this forum as well as the FT Itinerarires forum.

At the most this thread will produce is a few people meeting for drinks or dinner and not a large get together. Any large get togethers will be cross-posted in the Community Forum.

We are still all part of the FT Community(which includes subsets as GLBT, Women, USAir, etc.). During the lengthy time it took to create the forum, many individuals wanted to take the "forum" elsewhere. I, as the originator of the thread that started the forum, was resistant to taking it somewhere else since this is our "home". In retrospect, maybe I should have.

svpii

Apr 24, 02, 9:36 pm

Let's don't over-react here. I am, in fact, one of those individuals who have posted in that US thread. And I have posted within that thread that I'm interested in whether anyone else sees a TOS conflict.

I see the issues as

1. Is an itinerary the same as a 'get together'?
2. Is cross posting between the itinerary forum and a common-interest forum reasonable? Against the TOS?
3. Does posting in the common-interest forum constitute a TOS violation on the grounds of posting in an inappropriate forum?

I interpreted # 3 to be yes. On the basis of that, I made the statement that I believed we should train ourselves to post itineraries in the itin forum.

But it's just a discussion.. no reason for anyone to get distraught about it imho. I'm not trying to cause discord. I am trying to understand how to interpret the Rules and Guidelines.. here, on the US forum, and wherever it may be an issue. If I've offended or agitated in the process, I sincerely apologize.

Punki

Apr 24, 02, 9:47 pm

Thank you Chex. Yes, I am aware that the final vote on the GLBT issue did not take place until after Pam, Dorian, Rudi and I resigned from Talkboard. What I simply meant was to point out to that following the official discussion period prescribed by the TalkBoard regulations, which as you will recall was very extensive, Blonde Bomber called the motion and Rudi seconded it (which might well be interpreted as voting in the Rudi Swiss/German lexicon), thereby closing official discussion on the matter, leaving nothing left to do except vote, which was, of necessity delayed until a full forum was re-established by the appointment of new members.

I agree, svpii. Discussion is merely discussion and should be greeted with open hearts and minds, as open discussion always leads to greater understanding.

A Freak

Apr 24, 02, 10:15 pm

IMHO, running into a FT, any FT, on the road based on itineraries is a needle in a haystack sort of thing...although I will admit be being poked by a needle once in a while based on posted itineraries. If you want to further reduce your odds by only looking for needles of a certain color, well good luck!

Hey, at least this thread isnt locked anymore. Allowing people to openly and freely express themselves. Now THERE's a concept I can get behind http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif.

dgolds

Apr 24, 02, 11:51 pm

I don't see what is wrong with strongly suggesting that people cross-post in both this forum as well as the FT Itinerarires forum.

What bothers me about it is that it gives this forum the appearance of becoming a "gay meet and greet," which is not what it was proposed to be, and which many argued against during the lengthy period of discussion that preceded the establishment of this forum.

It also doesn't match the forum description.

Why not use private e-mail, or the gayft list for get togethers?

Rudi

Apr 25, 02, 12:08 am

vote
\Vote\, n. [L. votum a vow, wish, will, fr. vovere, votum, to vow: cf. F. vote. See Vow.]
1. An ardent wish or desire; a vow; a prayer. [Obs.] --Massinger.
2. A wish, choice, or opinion, of a person or a body of persons, expressed in some received and authorized way; the expression of a wish, desire, will, preference, or choice, in regard to any measure proposed, in which the person voting has an interest in common with others,.

that's the way I used 'vote' in my post.

May be I should post in swiss-german to avoid misunderstandings?

only people speaking the same language can misunderstand each other.

chexfan

Apr 25, 02, 2:11 am

With the utmost respect for multilingual persons, I will post my final reply in this thread to provide clarity.

Originally posted by Rudi:
vote \Vote\, n. [L. votum a vow, wish, will, fr. vovere, votum, to vow: cf. F. vote. See Vow.]...

that's the way I used 'vote' in my post.
Unfortunately when you said:
together with Punki (and others) I was, at that time, a TalkBoard member and we heavily argued (and voted) for this GLBT forum.You were not using the noun, but rather the intransitive form of the verb 'vote' (the definition can easliy be found at Merriam Webster (http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)). This was how I interpreted your initial post.

Originally posted by Rudi:
May be I should post in swiss-german to avoid misunderstandings?

only people speaking the same language can misunderstand each other.Amen! And I agree with you 100%. I'm thinking about publishing a grammar book in chexfanian to avoid all the "misunderstandings" I've been running into as well recently. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/frown.gif

arturo

Apr 25, 02, 6:10 am

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now, az fore checks-mix fanny-e-an, arturo knot hav deaficult tim wiff et. wee knot kneed anuthr gramer buuk fore arturo two reed.

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Loving, Caring, Honest, Intelligent, Empathetic, Creative, and Giving.

peteropny

Apr 25, 02, 8:38 am

Originally posted by dgolds:
What bothers me about it is that it gives this forum the appearance of becoming a "gay meet and greet," which is not what it was proposed to be, and which many argued against during the lengthy period of discussion that preceded the establishment of this forum.

It also doesn't match the forum description.

Why not use private e-mail, or the gayft list for get togethers?

My point is that cross-posting makes it easier for casual get togethers. I think the whole forum has done very well in the discussion of "real" topics. Having this one thread serves the same purpose that the similar one in US serves.

Using private e-mail to seek meetings is a possibility; however, it can be rather awkward and inconvenient. I mean to remember who lives in which city. The gayft list was created to provide a temporary alternative before this forum was created. I managed that list personally and it was rather time consuming. As of now, the list exists but is not updated and I really do not want to be involved with forwarding every e-mail asking if there's anyone in a certain city to everyone on the list nor do I think that you would want to receive a bunch of e-mails everyday asking if you're in, oh lets say, NY on May 20 or LA on May 21. We all get enough junk mail that we don't need anymore.

wharvey

Apr 25, 02, 11:29 am

I find it very interesting that there was apparently an email campaign to get certain members of the FT community (apparently several former Talkboard members) to visit this forum and post their dissatisfaction with how the forum is being managed. Guess we have to get the GLBT's in alignment... we cannot have them meeting on their own... heaven forbid what they will talk about!

I am assuming (even though there is no visible data to support this assumption) there has been the same email campaign about the US Airways itinieries thread... and I look forward to all the "concerned FT citizens" posting their dissatisfaction with that thread. I hope we are not selective in how we treat our GLBT FTers vs our USAirways FTers.

The GLBT forum has been one of the most behaved forums since it was formed... against the common perception of many of what would happen.

I just went into the Women's Forum... and I was amazed at the potential TOS violations... if we use the same rules.

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/Forum1/HTML/000038.html

Just because it is a woman travelling, does that mean this belongs here rather than the general forum? Guess we need a men's forum also.

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/Forum1/HTML/000034.html

Info on Wyndham hotel. HHHHmmm... I would think this should belong in the hotel forum.

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/Forum1/HTML/000029.html

HHHmmmm... could be Omni to me...

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/Forum1/HTML/000023.html

Are we saying women are the only weight gainers? I certainly am not saying that... but where this is located would indicate as such.

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/Forum1/HTML/000022.html

Security issue? HHHHmmmm....

I am sure some will say I am over-reacting. But some of the same people who are complaining about the GLBT items being posted had no problem posting on these threads... and not to complain that they were wrongly posted.

SO, do we have a double standard here? It is OK to post non-forum topics in the Women's forum, but not OK in the GLBT forum?

I believe people should make sure their own backyard is in order before they come in to attack and criticize this Forum.

But then again, I am sure the same email campaign is in progress to comment on each of these threads and the many others.

I believe Robb and the regular contributors to this forum are to be commended for self-monitoring the posts. I believe we have "policed" ourselves very well...

Now, back to regular FT programming....

[This message has been edited by wharvey (edited 04-25-2002).]

Punki

Apr 25, 02, 12:04 pm

I absolutely agree with you Wharvey that all forums should be treated equally. I further believe that no forum, US Air, Women's or GLBT should be structured in a way that would tend to separate its members from the general FlyerTalk community. That I believe is primary point under discussion here and one of the major considerations during the deliberation that preceded the establishment of this GLBT forum.

All special interest forums should focus on issues of specific concern to travelers within that special interest group. Itineraries and Get Togethers should, IMHO, be open to all to continue the wonderful, inclusive spirit that has made FlyerTalk so unique and special.

Having said that, I also believe that it is very dangerous to get too heavy handed with defining and enforcing the "right structure".

Without some freedom to go with the flow the individual forums and eventually the entire Board will stagnate and die. The trick is maintaining the delicate balance between chaos and the creation of an environment that is so stringent that it drives posters away.

svpii

Apr 25, 02, 12:37 pm

Gosh - what a lot of work Wharvey!

I'm the one who brought the US forum to the surface as a comparison - just ask Robb how long ago I mentioned it in private email. And it certainly wasn't in response to an email campaign.

I post here because I'm truly curious just what is proper FT behavior. I take great umbrage at any suggestion you may be making (and I hope it is NOT the case) that I believe the GLBT community needs to be "watched".

It's just a discussion for goodness' sake - what's the proper thing to do? And yes, I'm asking that question regardless of whether I'm speaking of US, GLBT, or Backwoods Hotel. I have no doubt if I bothered that I could find scores of TOS violations. And I agree we need not to get so restrictive we can't move or breathe without looking over our shoulder.

It's just a question. What's the right thing to do. If the concensus is that it's OK to post itins here, and on the itin forum, or here and not on the itin forum, or any combination thereof, great. It's just a question. Some may have other, stronger feelings. But I think it's still just a discussion that doesn't merit such hoopla.

Noone is saying this forum isn't well behaved. No one that I've spoken with expected otherwise.

A Freak

Apr 25, 02, 1:53 pm

On days (like today) when I am bored at work, I visit lots and lots of forums. Having done so, I frankly think the Balkanization of FT sucks. It's like having 15 different boards where everyone is talking about similar things.

Is this forum the "GLBT flyertalk" or is this "the place on FT where specific GLBT issues are discussed?" Because, lets face it, if you are gay and travel then technically every issue is a gay travelling issue to you. And if you are a woman and your travel then every issues is a woman travelling issue to you.

Where does one draw the line? Should that thread about drycleaning be cross-posted in the other Balkanized threads, too? Crap, I dunno. It's a pain in the butt enough to have to swap between FT miles and FT travel, much less cross post among the Balkanized forums.

So my attitude now is post your opinion where you see the issue first. Which is why I'm talking about this here, not in the Women, or TalkBoard, or Omni, or wherever.

wharvey

Apr 25, 02, 2:05 pm

Pam (and others):

I am concerned because people raised concerns that if we are off-topic, then we make it more trouble for other potential groups. "It would make me very sad indeed to see the GLBT community prove the naysayers correct and make it more difficult for other special interest groups to have their own forum on FlyerTalk in the future."

I just believe we have to apply that same rule to other forums. Considering the women's forum has been up for some months, that same "don't post threads there that are more appropriate in the general forums" has never been mentioned. But, could you not argue that the fact that the Women's forum has posts that are not in the general community forums, they are going to make it more difficult for other special forums in the future?

I was very happy when we created this forum. I was one of the early proponents for it both here and within the Talkboard. I remember the early threads on the issue... and the number of people who "came out" to show their support and feel like a part of this community. If someone wants to post their itiniery or get together here, then who cares? Perhaps they do not feel comfortable posting in the general area, or perhaps they really want to just meet with GLBT family to talk about travel issues that are important to them all. If we take away that option to post here, then we are doing something that might drive posters away.

If people do not engage the greater community, that is their loss and mine. However, I cannot force people to be in the greater community. I have learned that community means many different things to different people.

Besides, there is nothing stopping any member of Flyertalk to click on Travel and GLBT Travels to see what is going on. It is not like there is a password to this forum.

What will we say next? That the Roll Call thread should be closed because that should be in the Community Who We All Are thread? That could be perceived as wrong since people who do not read this forum may not know where someone is from or what their hobbies are; especially if they never post in the main board.

When we apply the same scrutiny to all boards and forums, then perhaps the argument is different. But look at it another way, no one is questioning the other forums in this way... see my comments on the Women's Forum. But, suddennly, the new Forum in town is being scrutinized and being accused of "segregation" (my word).

Finally, just by the creation of sub-forums, we separate members from the general community. There are members who only post here, members who only post in the UA forum, etc. That is going to happen. But, I am betting those people are OK with the community they have chosen to join and participate in.

I put a lot of personal emotion and energy into getting this forum going along with some other great people. So, I do get passionate around this issue.

William

A Freak

Apr 25, 02, 2:15 pm

Wharvey: Your opinion is well thought out and appreciated!

Again, IMHO, the difference is that subbing out United from Hilton (the product) is very, very different from subbing out, say, gays from blacks (the customers).

It has created and will create microcosom flyertalks and unless one has the time to read ALL of the microcsoms, one will inevitably miss out on an opportunity or a lesson.

Then again, I've been squealing about this ever since Omni and Buzz were split up in 1999, to no avail....

To me, anyway, it's certainly NOT a gay thing, nor limited to this forum.

Alas!

blairvanhorn

Apr 25, 02, 4:33 pm

Wow. I've been away for a few days and I'm just catching up. I must say there are some very interesting arguments on both sides.

wharvey

Apr 25, 02, 6:14 pm

A Freak,

Thanks for the note... it was so thought out it took me 20 minutes to get it done... your post appeared before mine because of how long it took.

Thanks again and great to see you engaging in the debate.

William

peteropny

Apr 26, 02, 10:23 am

OK Back to regular programming

CVG-PHL - 5/18 - 2:45p-4:27p (DL)
PHL-CVG - 5/23 - 1:30p-3:14p (DL)

ATC

Apr 26, 02, 11:20 am

Hear, hear!

We've seen many impassioned, articulate opinions in this thread. This of course means that we precisely 48 minutes from the point where some lurker will parachute in from planet pluto and scream "WILL YOU PEOPPLE STOP ARGUEING BOUT THIS STUFF ITS REALLY ANNOYING ME SO STOP IT NOW AND I MEAN IT."

Originally posted by A Freak:
Hey, at least this thread isnt locked anymore. Allowing people to openly and freely express themselves. Now THERE's a concept I can get behind http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif.

Comicwoman

Apr 26, 02, 2:13 pm

Seems like my flight from Pluto arrived late. It seems no matter even if you are flying in from Pluto you have to connect either in Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, or Denver.

I am sooooo glad you said Pluto instead of the 8th planet from the sun.

A Freak

Apr 26, 02, 2:33 pm

CW: Are you sure Pluto is a planet? Thought they had downgraded it to a comet or something.

Also, I THINK the orbits of Pluto and that other planetoid swap orbits ever couple hundred years and right now Pluto is closer, IIRC....

Comicwoman

Apr 26, 02, 3:22 pm

If Plute was downgraded to a comet, it has been allowed to keep its status as a planet for one more year.

As for my itin: home, home, home, home, home.

Seems silly for me to post that in any forum.

I can cross post. But I don't cross dress. Often.

dgolds

Apr 28, 02, 12:39 am

My objections to what is being posted on this thread have more to do with this history of this forum, particularly how it came to be, and less with the question of whether there are TOS violations here or not. As wharvey correctly points out above, there are TOS violations all over the place on FlyerTalk, and it is unfair to take this forum to task for TOS violations.

My point is that I and many others fought for the existence of this forum. In formulating what it would be, we described it as a place to discuss gblt-related travel issues. A number of FlyerTalkers opposed this forum to begin with, arguing that it would be "segregationalist." In opposing their thinking, a number of us said, "no, that's not what it is going to be about, it's simply intended to be a place to discuss glbt-related travel issues."

Now it turns out there are some here who want to make it a place to originate get togethers in addition ot discussing gblt travel issues. IMO this undermines the credibility of our arguments in establishing this forum.

Here are some quotes from http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000548.html, which is the thread that Robb started. To be fair, I did find a few posts in this long 9 page thread that mentioned that it would be nice to have the forum as a place to put together gblt get togethers. But the overwhelming sense of the discussion was "we need a gblt forum to discuss issues that are specific to us." For example:

Robb (first post in the thread): There are a lot of travel topics unique to us, including particular destinations, activities, and reports of accomodating and not-so-accomodating travel vendors.

InIndiana: There are a number of issues that are specific to the GLBT community that people may want a centralized forum to discuss. Examples of such issues include perceived/actual discrimination among airlines, GLBT friendly travel agents, GLBT bars in different communities, and problems with immigration for same sex partners. These issues cross airlines, cross cities, and defy other cateorgizations.

Flowerchild: There are many issues and circumstances which would affect only gay and lesbian
travelers that would never occur to the rest of us. Remember the cruise ships that weren't allowed to dock because the passengers were gay? 

essxjay: Simply put, there ARE issues specific to GLBT travelers. To deny that is unconscionable.

Doppy: You're right, sexual preference shouldn't be a concern of any third parties. Unfortunately, there are many people who think it is their business. The proposed GLBT forum would be to discuss issues relevant to GLBT travelers, like which countries you'll get arrested in if two people of the same sex are talking to eachother, hotels that refuse to let two people of the same sex share a bed, etc..
That's the public aspect of GLBT issues that will be discussed.

slumgoddess: Absolutely. I want to know the gay friendly places to stay, restaurants, nightclubs, etc...

blairvanhorn: My biggest concern is not to turn a new forum into an exclusively "Gay Chat" event. I look forward to contributing to and benefiting from positive, substantive information in this type of forum, and I certainly don't want to offend other FTers, or detract from the FT community.

jAAck: In my view, a GLBT forum on FT would be a place to discuss issues that directly affect the GLBT community.

Law Lord: It seems to me from reading this thread that many FTers would contribute to and read a GLBT forum, and the presence of a GLBT forum would not take anything significant away from any other forum.
I recognize the "anti-separatism" argument, and agree with its principle. But I also recognize that I don't face any issues traveling that are peculiar to middle-aged white men (hence I don't see a need for a white men's forum; sorry, kokonutz). Women do face some challenges traveling that men don't. Gay people traveling face some issues that straight people don't. So why not discuss them in a convenient place?

travellin man: A forum where we could ask these types of questions and KNOW that GLBT travellers who know the answers would provide responses is an excellent (and needed) idea.

(Edited to correct a UBB code)

[This message has been edited by dgolds (edited 04-28-2002).]

robb

Apr 28, 02, 1:01 am

I'm going to keep repeating every time it comes up that no one has tried to organize a get-together on this forum.

dgolds

Apr 28, 02, 8:37 am

Robb, I disagree. There is a clear interest on the part of some in using this board to arrange get togethers. For example:

From Gabriel: Anyone down in Buenos Aires next week? I'll be there Apr 18-20.

From wharvey: if certain FTers want to meet up with "family" - and I mean GLBT family... then I believe this is a better place for that.

So I think the discussion is, in fact, germaine.

blairvanhorn

Apr 28, 02, 12:06 pm

My objections to what is being posted on this thread have more to do with this history of this forum, particularly how it came to be, and less with the question of whether there are TOS violations here or not. As wharvey correctly points out above, there are TOS violations all over the place on FlyerTalk, and it is unfair to take this forum to task for TOS violations.

My point is that I and many others fought for the existence of this forum. In formulating what it would be, we described it as a place to discuss gblt-related travel issues. A number of FlyerTalkers opposed this forum to begin with, arguing that it would be "segregationalist." In opposing their thinking, a number of us said, "no, that's not what it is going to be about, it's simply intended to be a place to discuss glbt-related travel issues."

Now it turns out there are some here who want to make it a place to originate get togethers in addition ot discussing gblt travel issues. IMO this undermines the credibility of our arguments in establishing this forum.

dgolds, thanks for these comments. I agree 100%. I think itineraries and proposed community get-togethers should be posted in the dedicated forums that exist at FT Miles.

robb

Apr 28, 02, 2:20 pm

I think those examples are an extreme stretch to being called get-togethers.

The average FlyerTalker when they read that get-togethers are being planned in this forum would naturally think that we were planning elaborate get-togethers, ala the Chicago get-together, PIP, or something on that scale.

If so, they would be rightly upset, but that's not what's happening. "Hey will anybody be in the same place as me next week" hardly rises to the level of get-together.

I'm just concerned that the language is misleading.

Gabriel

Apr 28, 02, 11:26 pm

Hey, anyone going to be in Tokyo next weekend? Doing a run on AA next Saturday and will be in TYO 05.05 to 05.07.

Buster CT1K

Apr 30, 02, 8:55 pm

Originally posted by robb:
I think those examples are an extreme stretch to being called get-togethers.



I agree with robb. No one is posting get-togethers. At most, there are mere asides... afterthoughts almost.

That said, the GLBT forum is wonderful - it creates a subcommunity. But since it's a subcommunity of travelers, we're bound to see travel issues cut across the boards.

On the UA forum, lots of people talk about who's going where. As in
"By the way, I'm flying JFK-LHR UA xxx Tuesday at 10pm. Anyone else on this flight? Come say hi!" This simply cannot count as a get-together requiring a separate posting on a separate board.

peteropny

May 2, 02, 9:08 pm

5/4 - CVG-SFO - DL
5/6 - SFO-CVG - DL

tribe01

May 4, 02, 8:56 pm

Las Vegas, May 11-16th on US

Guy Betsy

May 5, 02, 10:05 am

I think it's time someone markets BRIGHT FUSHA PINK Flyertalk luggage tags with a small rainbow flag upper right hand corner?

Comicwoman

May 5, 02, 11:36 pm

What, my flannel shirt and steel toed boots aren't enough for you? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif

wharvey

May 6, 02, 12:11 pm

UH.... NO! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

Comicwoman

May 6, 02, 1:52 pm

Should I admit that the only flannel shirt I own is a DKNY and my steel-toed boots are my cowboy boots leftover from the 1980s?

wharvey

May 6, 02, 3:53 pm

UH.... NO!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

William

peteropny

May 26, 02, 1:42 pm

5/31/02 DL 1721 - CVG 4:30PM - ORD 4:42PM
6/03/02 DL 1555 - ORD 4:00PM - CVG 6:16PM
for the ORD do - anyone else coming in or leaving near the same time?

jan_az

May 27, 02, 1:58 am

Peter-

Now that one above probably does belong,IMO,in communities

Actually I was just thinking about a lets coordinate transportation thread http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

<sorry to trespass on your board>

peteropny

May 27, 02, 9:50 am

Originally posted by jan_az:
Peter-

Now that one above probably does belong,IMO,in communities

Actually I was just thinking about a lets coordinate transportation thread http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

<sorry to trespass on your board>

Posting in "Community" didn't occur to me, but I did post in "Itineraries". You're not trespassing, you're welcome here http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif Anyways, I'll go post on your thread http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

Guy Betsy

May 27, 02, 10:20 am

Now for the ORD-DO....

I'm wondering to dress down (ie conservative)

or up (Ru-Paul style... okay maybe not that )

Or just make an impression like only GUY BETSY knows how !

jan_az

May 27, 02, 4:11 pm

Jeans

T-shirts???

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

kanebear

May 27, 02, 7:24 pm

Originally posted by Guy Betsy:
Now for the ORD-DO....

I'm wondering to dress down (ie conservative)

or up (Ru-Paul style... okay maybe not that )

Or just make an impression like only GUY BETSY knows how !

As the song sez' :

It's yo thang... do what ya wanna do....

I haven't had the honor of meeting you yet but from what I've seen here how you dress isn't going to matter much. Your personality is going to make a faaaahbulous impression even if you show up in a dirty wifebeater, plaid shorts and support hose!

Comicwoman

May 27, 02, 8:44 pm

All I can say is that I won't be wearing a dress, heels, or nylons. Actually, I am not sure that I own all of the above.

blairvanhorn

May 28, 02, 1:14 am

Comicwoman, are you in a Sharon Stone mood again?

Comicwoman

May 28, 02, 7:35 am

Originally posted by blairvanhorn:
Comicwoman, are you in a Sharon Stone mood again?

Yes I am. Is she coming to the ORD Do? I'd be happy to share a room with her.

peteropny

May 28, 02, 8:08 am

Originally posted by Comicwoman:
Yes I am. Is she coming to the ORD Do? I'd be happy to share a room with her.

Now let's keep this G-rated http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif

UAPremierExec

May 28, 02, 12:09 pm

Originally posted by Comicwoman:
Should I admit that the only flannel shirt I own is a DKNY and my steel-toed boots are my cowboy boots leftover from the 1980s?

Wendy, I had no clue you were a lipstick gal :P

UAPremierExec

May 28, 02, 12:10 pm

speaking of lipstick lesbians, is anne heche still family?

Comicwoman

May 28, 02, 8:11 pm

Originally posted by UAPremierExec:
speaking of lipstick lesbians, is anne heche still family?

I think she lost her membership card when she married that cameraman.

Comicwoman

May 28, 02, 8:13 pm

Originally posted by UAPremierExec:
Wendy, I had no clue you were a lipstick gal :P

Nate, I do have a tube of lipstick on the workbench in the garage. It comes in handy for some home repairs.

slumgoddess

May 28, 02, 9:36 pm

Originally posted by Comicwoman:
Nate, I do have a tube of lipstick on the workbench in the garage. It comes in handy for some home repairs.



Lipstick, the new handywoman's secret weapon?! What do you use it for???

Comicwoman

May 28, 02, 10:12 pm

Originally posted by slumgoddess:
Lipstick, the new handywoman's secret weapon?! What do you use it for???



If you are installing a new lock on a door you can coat the latch bolt with lipstick to see where it hits the door frame.

catwood

May 29, 02, 4:52 am

Updated:

PHL-MCO 5/30/02 - F, Evening
MCO-PHL 6/3/02 - Afternoon

PHL-CLT-RDU 6/15/02 - Morning
RDU-PHL 6/19/02 - Evening

PHL-BOS-PVC -7/03/02 Morning (SUPER EARLY, 630!)
PVC-BOS-PHL - 7/7/02 Evening

PHL-BOS-ZRH-NCE - 7/19/02 SWISS F!
BCN-ZRH-BOS-PHL - 7/29/02

Phew! I think that's it for now.

UAPremierExec

May 29, 02, 11:56 am

<too far off the wall>

*sniffle* I miss the TAROM boards

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LHR Tim

May 30, 02, 3:48 am

Ok, off topic, but what did happen to them?? It seems the mere mention of Tarom on the boards now a days, results in a kicking, a beating, and a good hosing with a water cannon by the humor Securitate. I thought at the very least they were to move here.

peteropny

May 30, 02, 7:16 am

Check

http://www.tarom.net/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

EchoVictor

May 30, 02, 11:41 am

ATL-LGW June 25
LGW-DUB July 1
DUB-ATL July 4

UAPremierExec

May 30, 02, 5:05 pm

Originally posted by LHR Tim:
Ok, off topic, but what did happen to them?? It seems the mere mention of Tarom on the boards now a days, results in a kicking, a beating, and a good hosing with a water cannon by the humor Securitate. I thought at the very least they were to move here.

We really did get away with WAY too much on the Tarom boards... :P

I feel sorry for anyone who really is a member of their frequent flyer program and going on here and seeing all those posts!

:P

how 'bout a mojito? \~/

-n

peteropny

Jul 15, 02, 1:02 pm

8/2/02
DL 353 CVG 4:40P-6:11P ATL
DL 603 ATL 6:55P-8:23P LAX

8/2-8/4 LA Park Hyatt

8/4/02
DL 122 LAX 2:15P-9:35P CVG

8/14/02
DL 5463 CVG 3:40P-5:02P BUF

8/19/02
DL 5464 BFU 5:45P-7:15P CVG

8/30/02
DL 1699 CVG 4:35P-6:21P SFO

8/30-9/2 SF Park Hyatt

9/2/02
DL 1040 SFO 10:30A-5:51P CVG

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dddc

Jul 27, 02, 1:53 pm

BA LHR - AMS 1st of Aug

Going for Amsterdam Pride Festival. Anyone else going?

http://www.amsterdampride.nl/engels/indexengoud.htm

Staying with friends.

BA AMS - LGW 4th of Aug

rpmkwpw

Jul 27, 02, 8:05 pm

PlatinumFlyer and I have just ticketed the last of three trips to ensure Exec Platinum status on AA, and one on Mexicana we just couldn't pass up (we're also 1P with UA):

8/17-8/18
EWR-ORD-TPA-DFW-SEA-STL-TPA-ORD-EWR
8/30
LGA-STL-MSY
8/31
MSY-MIA-SCL
9/3
SCL-DFW-MSY-ORD-LGA
10/03-10/07
LGA-DFW-NRT-SIN-NRT-DFW-LGA

We decided to spend some miles on ourselves (not family for once) and upgrade both SCL and SIN.

Our dates for PVR are:
12/20-12/22
EWR-MEX-PVR-MEX-EWR

If anyone's planned something at one of these destinations at the same time (or in NYC when we're not traveling), feel free to drop us an email message.

Happy Travels!

peteropny

Aug 12, 02, 10:34 pm

8/24/02
DL 1890 CVG 09:00 AM - 10:43 AM SLC
DL 805 SLC 11:35 AM - 12:13 PM ONT

8/24-27 - Santiago Resort - Palm Springs - Anyone in Palm Springs that weekend??

8/17/02
DL 2012 ONT 12:45 PM - 03:19 PM SLC
DL 0248 SLC 04:25 PM - 09:40 PM CVG

rubbernyc

Aug 13, 02, 8:59 am

Sep 6 JFK-MIA AA
Sep 8 MIA-JFK AA

IndyDavid

Aug 13, 02, 10:21 am

NorthmareFT and I are off to Hawaii on vacation... then I'm in LA & SF for work:
8/20
* NW 629, DCA-MSP
* NW 921, MSP-HNL
* NW 9088, HNL-KOA 8/25
* NW 9057, KOA-HNL 8/28
* NW 920, HNL-MSP 8/29
* NW 348, MSP-DCA 9/1
* US 1751, BWI-CLT
* US 67, CLT-LAX 9/5
* UA 1808, LAX-SFO 9/7
* US 50, SFO-CLT
* US 1045, CLT-BWI

David

[edited to fix bad UBB code]

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canard

Aug 13, 02, 3:34 pm

08/14 : SJC-JFK on AA

with no return in sight http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/frown.gif ! (except for the holidays, of course) http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

c. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/starsmilie.gif

Morrissey

Aug 13, 02, 6:42 pm

Originally posted by canard:
08/14 : SJC-JFK on AA

with no return in sight http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/frown.gif ! (except for the holidays, of course) http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif


Will that be in coach?

jeffo

Aug 14, 02, 11:14 pm

8/30 - 9/2 SAN - I grew up in Northern CA, but have always wanted to spend time in SAN. So, I'm grabbing the hubby and taking off for a quickie...Any suggestions?

9/20 - 9/22 SJC (for a wedding in Carmel, yawn!)

LAX Gambit

Aug 15, 02, 1:08 am

Originally posted by jeffo:
8/30 - 9/2 SAN ...Any suggestions?

depends on what you are looking for...

Hillcrest (http://sdcc13.ucsd.edu/~ucsdlgba/Hillcrest/hillcrest.html) if you wanna be in "boystown," there's the gaslamp district (http://www.gaslamp.org/) in downtown for restaurants and bars, La Jolla and Coronado can be very romantic getaways and for an ultimate spa, the Golden Door (http://www.goldendoor.com/) is tops.

peteropny

Aug 15, 02, 8:38 am

Originally posted by jeffo:
8/30 - 9/2 SAN - I grew up in Northern CA, but have always wanted to spend time in SAN. So, I'm grabbing the hubby and taking off for a quickie...Any suggestions?


jeffo - check out http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/Forum53/HTML/000122.html

UAPremierExec

Aug 15, 02, 8:46 am

SFO1K and I had the BEST mojitos in the world @ the Ritz Carlton Battery Park's RISE bar in NYC this past weekend!

a must drink!!!!

JustinMSP

Aug 15, 02, 3:57 pm

8/22:
CO 171, MSP-EWR
CO 1032, EWR-OAK

8/24:
CO 1533, OAK-EWR
NW 301, EWR-MSP

8/30:
NW 595, MSP-IAH
CO 612, IAH-PDX

8/31:
CO 784, PDX-ANC

9/1:
CO 120, ANC-IAH

9/2:
NW 1293, IAH-MSP

9/21:
CO 729, MSP-IAH
CO 504, IAH-LAX
CO 8896, LAX-SAN

9/23:
CO 557, SAN-IAH
NW 1267, IAH-MSP

10/5:
NW 44, MSP-LGW

10/16:
NW 43, LGW-MSP

UAPremierExec

Aug 16, 02, 9:17 pm

here are all of my upcoming trips:

1 UA 117F 28AUG WE FLLORD SS1 805A 1006A/O $ E
2 UA 101C 28AUG WE ORDLAX SS1 1200N 212P/O $ E
3 UA 935F 28AUG WE LAXLAS SS1 345P 449P/O $ E
4 UA1501F 04SEP WE LASLAX SS1 850A 956A/O $ E
5 UA 108F 04SEP WE LAXORD SS1 1055A 501P/O $ E
6 UA1854F 04SEP WE ORDFLL SS1 610P 1010P/O $ E
7 UA1493Y 10SEP TU FLLORD SS1 148P 346P/O $ E
8 UA 797Y 10SEP TU ORDLAS SS1 445P 632P/O $ E
9 N7 973F 11SEP WE LASMIA SS1 1250P 825P/O $ E
10 UA1493F 04OCT FR FLLORD SS1 148P 346P/O $ E
11 UA 577F 04OCT FR ORDSMF SS1 505P 720P/O $ E
12*UA6445Y 04OCT FR SMFSFO SS1 800P 845P/O $ E
13 UA 762F 04OCT FR SFOLAS SS1 1010P 1133P/O $ E

1 MX 306D 13FEB TH MIAMEX SS1 800A 1150A/O $ E
2 MX 578D 13FEB TH MEXPVR SS1 145P 305P/O $ E
3 MX 593D 17FEB MO PVRMEX SS1 1200N 125P/O $ E
4 MX 307D 17FEB MO MEXMIA SS1 310P 830P/O $ E

DKM

Aug 19, 02, 4:29 pm

Don't have my itinerary handy, but I'll be arriving in Rio on August 29th and departing on September 1st. Part mileage run and the rest FUN.

travelboy

Aug 19, 02, 5:43 pm

Here we go:

24AUG UA7749 PHLIAD
24AUG UA449 IADORD
24AUG UA1009 ORDPHX
24AUG UA6936 PHXLAX
24AUG UA 754 LAXLAS
25AUG UA1143 LASSJC
25AUG UA1642 SJCDEN
25AUG UA 390 DENPHL
29AUG UA1871 PHLORD
29AUG UA1283 ORDMSY
02SEP UA1432 MSYORD
02SEP UA1868 ORDPHL
14SEP UA1861 PHLORD
14SEP UA1128 ORDFLL
14SEP UA1493 FLLORD
14SEP UA 115 ORDLAX
14SEP UA6955 LAXSJC
15SEP UA6946 SJCLAX
15SEP UA 108 LAXORD
15SEP UA1854 ORDFLL
16SEP UA1493 FLLORD
16SEP UA1886 ORDPHL
13NOV UA1873 PHLORD
14NOV MX0803 ORDMEX
14NOV MX0578 MEXPVR
18NOV MX0593 PVRMEX
18NOV MX0802 MEXORD
18NOV UA1976 ORDPHL

We will also have to make a few more runs in October .. whooohooooo ..

[This message has been edited by travelboy (edited 08-20-2002).]

UAPremierExec

Aug 20, 02, 8:33 am

travelboy... cute name.. i'm normally travelBOI79..

anyway, SFO1K and I just did the IAD-PHX-LAX-LAS run.... it's not a bad layover in PHX but the Red Carpet Club closes at 6 pm http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/frown.gif The food is a bit expensive @ PHX but decent.... also the lines through security are very fast and UA has an elite line. It's also a cool walk to the SkyWest gate from the main terminal... it's enclosed by a fence, so no air conditioning, but awesome views of the ramp!

enjoy Ft Laud while yer here.... If I'm in town, look me up unless i'm swamped w/ work...

-nate

catwood

Aug 20, 02, 10:18 am

I am feeling depressed, everyone is going somewhere except me....but I am moving into a new apartment in Wilmington, so that should count for something!

Chris

CDF

Aug 20, 02, 1:58 pm

My first itinerary post here!

08/22 NW 3632 CVG - DTW 06:55p 08:16p
08/25 NW 3537 DTW - CVG 08:56p 10:07p

08/28 NW 3632 CVG - DTW 06:55p 08:16p
08/29 NW 0739 DTW - MSP 06:55a 07:50a
08/29 NW 1025 MSP - ONT 09:41a 10:51a

Driving to Palm Springs - Santiago Resort over Labor Day! (PeterOpny - I miss you by 2 days http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/frown.gif )

09/02 NW 1028 ONT - MSP 12:10p 05:37p
09/02 NW 0752 MSP - DTW 07:04p 09:57p
09/03 NW 3537 DTW - CVG 08:56p 10:07p

Then it's back to my weekly DTW/CVG commute. I also have tentatively planned:

11/07 NW 3632 CVG - DTW 06:55p 08:16p
11/07 NW 0032 DTW - LGW 09:25p 10:00a +1
11/11 NW 0031 LGW - DTW 01:45p 05:20p
11/11 NW 3537 DTW - CVG 08:56p 10:07p

travelboy

Aug 20, 02, 2:21 pm

Thanks for the heads up on the RCC in Phoenix .. UAPremierExec I will totally try to look you up .. although I just looked at the times and it looks like we get in at 1010p ..

MapleLeaf

Aug 20, 02, 3:02 pm

Originally posted by catwood:
I am feeling depressed, everyone is going somewhere except me....but I am moving into a new apartment in Wilmington, so that should count for something!

Chris

Don't be depressed Chris - I did offer to go on a date with you last weekend http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif That should have perked you up more than the new apartment.

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umguy

Aug 20, 02, 4:08 pm

UAPremierExec, when did you get down here? Last I knew u were still in Vegas. What part of town are you in? Oh PS I got ur instant message today, I'll get that info over to you

umguy

Aug 20, 02, 4:36 pm

Also, let me post my current travel plans for the near future.

8/23/02
CO
Depart: FLL 9:10 AM
Arrive: Tampa, FL 10:15 AM
CO
Depart: Tampa, FL 11:40 AM
Arrive: Newark, NJ 2:25 PM
CO
Depart: Newark, NJ 5:45 PM
Arrive: Los Angeles, CA 8:55 PM

8/26/02
CO
Depart: Los Angeles, CA ( 9:25 AM
Arrive: Houston, TX 2:53 PM
CO
Depart: Houston, TX 3:40 PM
Arrive: Fort Lauderdale, FL 7:14 PM

8/27/02
CO
Depart: Fort Lauderdale, FL 9:20
Arrive: Houston, TX 10:50
CO
Depart: Houston, TX 1:20pm
Arrive: Detroit, MI 5:04pm
NW
Depart: Detroit, MI 7:10pm
Arrive: Minneapolis, MN 8:04pm
NW
Depart: Minneapolis, MN 8:56pm
Arrive: Albuquerque, NM 10:31pm

8/28
NW
Depart: Albquerque, NM 8:35am
Arrive: Minneapolis, MN 12:09pm
NW
Depart: Minneapolis, MN 12:56
Arrive: Newark, NJ 4:50
CO
Depart: Newark, NJ 6:30pm
Arrive: Fort Lauderdale, FL 9:34pm

8/30/02
CO
Depart: FT LAUDERDALE, FL 559P
Arrive: HOUSTON,TX 730P
CO
Depart: HOUSTON, TX 830P
Arrive: New Orleans, LA 937P
9/1/02
CO
Depart: New Orleans, LA 440
Arrive: Houston, TX 546
CO
Depart: Houston, TX 653
Arrive: Fort Lauderdale, FL 1027

That's it for now http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

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Somewhere in the world a Boeing jet is taking off or landing every second —24 hours a day, seven days a week.

UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 9:27 am

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[This message has been edited by UAPremierExec (edited 08-22-2002).]

UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 9:30 am

Originally posted by travelboy:
Thanks for the heads up on the RCC in Phoenix .. UAPremierExec I will totally try to look you up .. although I just looked at the times and it looks like we get in at 1010p .. 

The United flight from Chicago is never on time. You are going to be 15 minutes early or 40 minutes late... even when they change times or aircraft types. Fortunately, I've been early 9/10 times and the one time we were late it was obvious from the thunderstorms over the 'glades. Gave us some awesome views of lightning though!

umguy

Aug 21, 02, 10:45 am

I was living on Key Biscayne, not in the Grove. Plus, Miami is bigger than Lauderdale, so it would be more correct to say, I've moved from Civilization.

CanadianGuy

Aug 21, 02, 12:29 pm

Upcoming travel plans for me - nothing too exciting:

25AUG MIA-MEX Aeromexico
27AUG MEX-CUN-MIA Mexicana

03SEP MIA-MEX Mexicana
04SEP MEX-MIA Mexicana

01OCT MIA-YYZ AC
04OCT YYZ-MIA AC

If anyone is around in Mexico City these days let me know.....

CanGuy

UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 12:37 pm

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UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 1:04 pm

hum

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blairvanhorn

Aug 21, 02, 1:35 pm

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Originally posted by umguy:
I was living on Key Biscayne, not in the Grove. Plus, Miami is bigger than Lauderdale, so it would be more correct to say, I've moved from Civilization.
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Sorry, but I must comment on your unbelievable post, Nate. I don't have to be anywhere to understand "racist comments", and the ones you have made above don't belong anywhere on FlyerTalk, especially not in this forum. Of course, this is just my opinion, as is my belief that you should use better judgment when posting.

Thanks for listening.

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UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 1:50 pm

got milk?

look at the cute condo gargoyles flying around!!

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dgolds

Aug 21, 02, 7:46 pm

I have e-mailed UALPremierExec three times, politely asking him to remove the anti-semitic and anti-Cuban remarks he posted above. I received three refusals. I am stunned that he refused to temper his comments.

It baffles me that a member of a minority community would post in this manner to begin with, and then refuse to moderate his comments when approached discreetly. So I've decided to not be so discrete.

UALPremierExec, your remarks above are in unimaginably poor taste.

I would be more than glad to edit this posts - after you have edited yours.

UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 8:05 pm

for everyone else out there, beware of the condo nazis!

http://usa.venus.co.uk/weed/agifs/images83/gargman8.gif

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dgolds

Aug 21, 02, 8:19 pm

And the reason you can't clean up your side of the street - immediately - is ???

UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 8:31 pm

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robb

Aug 21, 02, 11:25 pm

Wow! First I have flight drama today (my LAX-JFK flight cancelled and there was a mad scramble for alternate arrangements, then I have baggage drama (I went to Newark and I hope my bags went to Kennedy, cause they didn't go to EWR), then I go into total shock over American Idol drama (they eliminated who??!!??, and finally this drama!

I can't take any more!!!

Let's all return to our regularly scheduled jealousy over how much others get to travel (travelboy is putting us all to shame!).

As for me:

8/21 UA 890 LAX-JFK (cancelled)
8/21 UA 84 LAX-EWR
8/28 UA 23 JFK-LAX (I hope!)

UAPremierExec

Aug 21, 02, 11:42 pm

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UAPremierExec

Aug 22, 02, 8:49 pm

Originally posted by dgolds:
I have e-mailed UALPremierExec three times, politely asking him to remove the anti-semitic and anti-Cuban remarks he posted above. I received three refusals. I am stunned that he refused to temper his comments. 

maybe because I emailed a moderator to strike the threads??? did you miss that in your e-mails before making a big deal about all of this?

It baffles me that a member of a minority community

that's the fundamental difference between you and me david. I don't "feel" like I'm part of a minority. I just used to date guys. If you want to throw the minority card around, be my guest, but I don't put myself in that 'category'... I'm just a human who makes mistakes, and obivously coming to flyertalk is. Especially seeing how much HYPOCRACY there is with this board.

UALPremierExec, your remarks above are in unimaginably poor taste.

I would be more than glad to edit this posts - after you have edited yours. 

My posts have been edited since about 30 mins after you posted it in the community thread. I at least keep my ends of deals. And yes, the gargoyle is to poke fun of all of the attention you drug into this. If I get banned from Flyertalk, big whoop. I have a company to help run, will just be one less distraction for me.

So if you get upset that I talked about the "jew and cuban" fights in miami and condo "nazis" then I apologize. If you expect a high level of morals and values, then I suspect that you and everyone else who criticized my post cease turning FlyerTalk DOs into brothels and beer fests, including letting underage people drink. To me, letting someone under 21 drink is a worse offense than calling someone a "......" on the streets.

I've said my peace, and probably done posting on FlyerTalk. I'm glad you had your glorious time as the Morals Policeman. I suspect you'll do a wonderful job of it. Just have fun policing the inflated sensitivities and "political" correctness here.

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