For same sex couples, how do you handle hotel check-ins when you are travelling together?

If we are staying at non-gay properties, I usually go to the front desk alone to ask for one king size bed (will take QUEEN if forced - no SMART comments!) and two keys.

I figure there is no reason to give the hotel staff a chance to discriminate or ask questions...

What does everyone else do?

William

Admittedly single, however I travel with guy friends all the time. I do nothing differently, we both go up, and we get keys. And as annoying as the Langham was in London we had the same bed. (i like to joke about this, but i like my own bed). More and more hotels for me anyway assume I am together with him.

I've never had an issue.

Chris

Hmm.
Just happened to us in DC- Jury's at Dupont Circle of all places.

Asked for a king on the website, when we checked in the woman looked at us and gave us two full beds.

No biggie, but sometimes it bothers me.
If I don't know what the place will be like, I go in first while my partner parks the car.

I was staying at the Mark Hopkins with my brother last year and the woman automatically gave us a king size bed. We opted for two fulls. Makes some sense, we have the same last name and were bickering over who got to keep the miles. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

lala

It's beena w hile since we did the whole sending 1 person up thing, but the memories made me smile.

We both just walk up and check-in, and normally we're asked about the room type (I love that regardless of what type and rate you reserve, your still asked as if you'll suddenly decide on a less desirable room), and confirm the King Size bed.

However, we don't like to stay at small or vintage properties, so YMMV.

I tend to say at 4 & 5 star properties, and haven't had too much of an issue with it. We always check in together, and often get escorted to our room by someone on the staff without incident.

On the other hand, I wouldn't put up with any crap from the staff. Fortunately, I haven't really gotten any.

d

Actually, looking at it from the staff's side: you might be two associates and it might be a gaffe to put you both in one bed. The best way the staff can handle it is to ask:

" I see you're booked for a king bed, is that all right with you?" [Hilton BKK].

It's elegant, not awkward and leaves ample opportunity to correct any mistake.

In Japan once, we had to run out the door after trying to check in. The owner just got out screaming with a broom and we ran. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif




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Generally, we’ve not had a problem checking in a hotel together though sometimes, we are asked about our bedding selection. Just yesterday, when I checked into the Hyatt Sainte Claire in San Jose, the front desk clerk commented about our advance king size bedding selection by commenting, “You probably don’t want to sleep together” and proceeded to change the reservation to a room with 2 double beds. I said nothing, since I was really the only one staying in the room and simply added my partner to the reservation to enjoy his Platinum status with the hotel and to earn points.

The only humorous memory where this was an issue was when we were in Osaka, Japan and had walked into a small hotel to ask for directions to the nearby Kubuki theatre and were met with yells at the front desk of "No two boys!, no two boys!". We never even got the chance to ask where the theatre was at.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Droneklax:
..." I see you're booked for a king bed, is that all right with you?"
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On occasion, we have been greeted this way by a thoughtful desk clerk. More often, the clerk gets slightly flustered and says something like: "There seems to be a mistake with your reservation; I'll give you two beds." We quickly and quietly tell the clerk that a king bed is just fine. Never had any problems. But having said that, we found it is generally easier if only one of us registers while the other sits nearby in the lobby. There really is little point to having two bodies hovering at the desk, straight or gay.

Raffy
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">...a small hotel to ask for directions to the nearby Kubuki theatre and were met with yells at the front desk of "No two boys!, no two boys</font>

LOL!! I was also referring to a hotel in Ôsaka, between Shinsaibashi and Namba, so very close to the Kabuki theatre. It'd be too funny if it were the same.

It was a love hotel, though... http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif

Well, sometimes I'll just have my boyfriend sit on the sofa in the lobby while I check in. This is partially because he gets sleepy at night and since I always handle all the travel arrangements I have all the information. Also, I hate it when he stands there and they ask him if he needs help cause they don't realize that we are together. (Actually, do other couples get that?)

I do get occaisional confusion from hotel staff when requesting the king bed, but so far they just generally ask what we want for bedding and we haven't had anyone just switch it to 2 doubles without asking. I also agree that the higher-end properties tend to be less dense about it.

BillJ

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Well, sometimes I'll just have my boyfriend sit on the sofa in the lobby while I check in.</font>

Yep. Done that too. It's easier when the vibe of a place makes us feel that it's unlikely they would handle the situation smoothly. I'm all for avoiding drama. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif

Seeing this thread made me think of something funny that happened to me in Dallas.

I work for AA, and was sent on a training course last September, and decided to go a couple of days early, and enjoy Grapevine Mills for a day or so and do some early Christmas shopping.

I got a great deal on the Embassy Suites, and was ready to go, when they asked if I would take this guy named Robbie out with me, as he had just started and had never been on a long flight before, only European flights. Well he wanted to come out early as well, so it was decided.

No I should add at this point, that I am 24 and look it, and Robbie is 17 and doesn't! When we get to check-in, they asked if my son (!) would need his own key! When I looked back shocked and Robbies answered yes, but he is not my dad, the guy gave me the drop dead look!

When we got to the room, we saw why, we had a kingsize bed! When we went downstairs the guy looked at us, and when we explained, he seemed so relaxed/relieved, and actually said that he is always apprehensive when same-sex couples come in, as he is so worried that he will slip up and offend someone.

I was upset that he thought I was the father of a teenager! The years have not been kind, and nor was the flight from LGW!

Just thought I would share that.

Matthew,

I can so totally understand your situation... unfortunately I get the "your son" comment also... and there are only 3 years difference between us... and he does not look THAT much younger!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

William

When travelling with partner - always check in together - as i used to get him to pay - maybe that's why i'm single again - when travelling with gay friend on adventures - get a king bed and make him sleep in (a) hotel lobby (b) the bath (c) some other man's place...

In Queenstown NZ we asked for just one bed and got it at a comfy bed and breakfast there. When we got to Te Anau, the room was two separate twin beds. We were too tired to change it for the single night we were there.

Most of the time I do the talking (status) and we get a king bed without problems. Depending on my mood, I may ask the boyfriend if he kicks in front of the desk agent.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by GK:
When travelling with partner - always check in together - as i used to get him to pay - maybe that's why i'm single again - when travelling with gay friend on adventures - get a king bed and make him sleep in (a) hotel lobby (b) the bath (c) some other man's place...</font>

Great post! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif

My partner and I ALWAYS go to the counter together (how else do you manage a good cop/ bad cop routine when they're not giving you what you want?). We have NEVER had problems with awkwardness or mixups. We don't ask either; we simply expect whatever we reserved is what we're going to get and we're more concerned with location and size (don't even! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif )

This isn't a flame, so please don't take it that way, but I couldn't imagine one of us standing back while we work out the room. I grew up with really cheap parents (one of four children) and they left us in the car while they got the room, then we had to schlep our bags to the rooms in twos so as not to alarm anyone about the number of people in the rooms. That was good for a couple months of therapy since we travelled so much. For me, it fits my view on "being out" which is you're as out as you behave... (again, I'm not knocking anyone else, just explaining my approach) I really don't think about it as an issue, unless someone else raises it. If they do, it is their issue, and treated as such. There's no place for such issues in the hospitality industry in my opinion, so I can't see it going anywhere.

Ok, maybe more than two cents worth, but there it is.

The only time I can really recall an issue was in Italy. We had asked for a single bed for the two of us and the women behind the counter (thinking we understood no Italian) went on about how funny it was two men would sleep in the same bed. We did get what we wanted however.

Some of the smaller B&Bs only have twin beds and when that happens we do not push the issue.

My partner and I travel together around the world. We normally stay at Starwood, Hilton, or Hyatt hotels or, sometimes, local aparthotels. We have never had any difficulty whatsoever with the bedding issue or any others that I can think of that might be related to us being together. We normally stand together at the front desk as this seems the natural thing to do. The only time I can recall when there was even any mention of bedding was right here, on a free weekend, at the Sheraton in our hometown of Rio de Janeiro. The desk clerk was very apologetic and said something like `there`s been a mistake ? you have a room with a king bed ? I`ll send up an extra bed immediately.` We told her there was no need and that was the end of it. We had a fine time, although it felt funny to be in a hotel in Rio.

My partner and/or friends have traveled extensively together and have not yet had a problem with requesting one bed. In Ibiza last year, my partner and I were shocked when the hotel clerk asked us if we WANTED one bed instead of two. I have found very few hotels in Europe which offer king sized beds, so if we are saddled with two beds, we move the center night stand out of the way and push the beds together. Not as comfy as one bed, but the goal is achieved.

I am not gay or lesbian but I was reading this and just wanted to say that I had never thought about anyone having problems checking in to a hotel.
I guess I just always thought...why should anyone care? But I see from this thread that you run in to lots of problems, and I must say that this kind of makes me sad. You should not have to worry about how to check in or if only one of you should go up.

Well, my partner and I have only been together for five years, so I don't remember a time when I would have been circumspect about this.

We stay mostly in four-star hotels, or gay B&Bs in major European capitals, but even in the random chain hotel after a family wedding (the family wedding I was aprehensive about) in BGM, our method is always the same. He comes in and stands next to me quietly at the counter. He won't say anything, as he doesn't like confrontation, and just rolls his eyes as I patiently but firmly insist that I get the level of service they promised. (Like the two occasions the desk clerk at the AMS Hilton couldn't find our reservation, because they don't like to honor the low price; but, I digress.)

In all cases I treat the bedding choice as a formality, and act like I don't expect it to be questioned. I find if I don't make a big deal of it, they take the cue, but I certainly wouldn't try to hide my partner -- if there's going to be a problem with a hotel, I'd like to know BEFORE I check in.

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Many years ago (well about 8) when I was in my early 20s (isn't getting old horrible) I was on a first date with someone who was to becoem a boyfriend.

Both of us were living at home and he was very closeted (wouldn't, at that point, even admit to himself that he was gay but subsequently he ended up on TV as Mr Edinburgh when they televised the Mr Gay UK contest!!).

We decided to "spend the night togther" (we were young) so we checked into a small hotel in a small town outside Edinburgh (we didn't have much money).

We explained that we were from Aberdeen and our car had broken down and to save cash we'd just share a room.

The hotel took pity on us and - so that we didn't have to sleep togther - gave us two rooms for the price of one!!!

Memories!

Stephen

generally, my partner and i haven't had much trouble, though some of the places that we have just astound me.

the example used at the hilton in BKK is the most common. we get that 80 to 90 percent of the time.

but we're not always that lucky. the Doubletree Southcenter in Seattle just wouldn't give us one bed (fortunately, years of dorm life have taught me how to share a twin, much less a full! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif ), and we got static at a Radisson in Montreal, though once i grabbed the manager and got going in French about it, he handled it with style and grace.

i'm afraid this is probably one situation where it's going to hit harder on gay boys; because it's more culturally accepted that women might share a bed without *sharing* a bed, it's not going to be quite as much an issue. that could frankly call up an entirely separate rant, but let's not go there. *grin*

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gwendolynaoife:

i'm afraid this is probably one situation where it's going to hit harder on gay boys; because it's more culturally accepted that women might share a bed without *sharing* a bed, it's not going to be quite as much an issue.</font>

This thread has been very interesting but I did notice that all the respondents have been men. Have any women come across the same kind of roadblocks as the men have or are men somehow targeted?

I find it outrageous that some hotels are making their guests feel uncomfortable about fulfilling their requests---like a king bed for example. Hotel are in the business of making money. To alienate and even antogonize their clientele to me is beyond moronic.

The ex and I only traveled together a couple of times. We checked in together. I wanted the points and we used her US Government Retired Military ID to get a discount. And we all know that there are no gays in the military!

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Analise:

I find it outrageous that some hotels are making their guests feel uncomfortable about fulfilling their requests---like a king bed for example. Hotel are in the business of making money. To alienate and even antogonize their clientele to me is beyond moronic.
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This sadly can sometimes be the case with businesses. They want to make money, just not *gay* money. They'd rather forego the business than tarnish their reputation.

Granted, I live in Boston, and travel mostly to large metropolitan cities, so I encounter situations like this very infrequently. Most of the time, the reaction is like many have described....it's almost like watching the sun rise on the face of the desk clerk as he/she clues in! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gwendolynaoife:

but we're not always that lucky. the Doubletree Southcenter in Seattle just wouldn't give us one bed (fortunately, years of dorm life have taught me how to share a twin, much less a full! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif ), and we got static at a Radisson in Montreal, though once i grabbed the manager and got going in French about it, he handled it with style and grace.</font>

What exactly happened in Seattle? I can't imagine checking into a hotel that just wouldn't allow us to have one bed. Seattle is a relatively metropolitan city, I'm kind of surprised to hear that you got a flat out refusal.

In a foreign country with a language barrier, I might be a little more apt to accept the situation, but certainly not in the US. That's a case where I'd turn around and walk out.

Personally, I think the whole issue is such nonsense. If I were working a hotel front desk I wouldn't care who was checking in or what they were doing. As long as they had money, weren't going to break the hotel rules (like have 20 people stay in one room) or set the place on fire, it would be fine with me.

Do these same people who have a problem with gays sharing a bed also make sure that all straights who share a bed are married? It amazes me how many people use "it's a sin" to justify their dislike for gays, yet have no problem with premarital straight sex, which is also a sin, according to most religions.

d

Doppy,

I had just assumed in the Seattle situation that there were not any single bed rooms left... that has happenned to us before... and had nothing to do with our orientation.

COMICWOMAN: There are gay people in the military? SAY IT ISN'T SO!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!

William

The way you handle it is to walk up to the desk and say to the person checking you in "We have a reservation and we'd like to check in" (with your partner, traveling companion, etc. next to you).

She asks for your last name, credit card, etc and then confirmed the room with a King bed and you say "yes", she swipes your card, hands you your keys and you depart for the elevators.

No questions asked, no embarrasment. You are a PAYING guest in the hotel (as in $$$). Nothing to explain or be ashamed of.

My problems with this tend to be in Europe: in a relatively large city in Poland last year, and, believe it or not, in Paris years ago.

The Paris story is interesting. I was there for the Bicentennial, and a hetero friend, John, was traveling with me. My brother had leased an apartment in the sixth for the Summer, but another brother had arrived with friends unexpectedly early. So, after my long trip, John and I checked into a hotel. The owner, who was clerking, had one vacancy, and was very reluctant to sell it to us. I realized a bit later why: the room had one, narrow Queen bed.

John and I had a good laugh by putting on a show for the owner at check-out the next morning.

I spent several years in the US of A Marine Corps, so I speak from personal knowledge: I am happy to confirm there are NO gays in the military.. But for some reason, I have had a lot of friends turn gay after getting out http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif.

I have several gay family members. From watching their check-in process, I've seen the whole range of reactions. My wild, out-there queen cousin always handles it with extreme humor: "oh, yes sweetheart we most certainly do want a king bed - unless of course you have something larger? He does tend to thrash about and kick wildly! I just don't know WHY I continue to endure it.. an oh, by the way, I LOVE your hair! Are those Pradas??? ".. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Doppy:
What exactly happened in Seattle? I can't imagine checking into a hotel that just wouldn't allow us to have one bed. Seattle is a relatively metropolitan city, I'm kind of surprised to hear that you got a flat out refusal.
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aaactually, i had reserved a room with a king bed.

though one could intuit that each bed in Seattle is a King bed (tee hee), seriously, the hotel wasn't full and i just was so tired and really didn't want to fight that we just ever-so-kindly left one of the full beds untouched to save housekeeping some work.

i didn't see it as the end of the world or even that much of a slap in the face as a moment of blindingly stupid homophobia contributing to poor customer service.

no matter how metropolitan the area, it's not that determining. i've been called some horrible variations on a certain ephitet for lesbians in NYC, and i've been treated pleasantly and kindly in Rocky Mount, NC. it's not that easy. it's simple to have one person with a Problem mess it up, though.

(and yeah, i did send in a comment card. look, another Be My Guest cert. heh.)

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by svpii:
I am happy to confirm there are NO gays in the military.. But for some reason, I have had a lot of friends turn gay after getting out http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif. </font>

Yep and that was the case here too. How do you think I got my toaster oven?

I have to officially disagree..a friend of mine racks up her FF miles by speaking about being the highest ranking military office to get kicked out the army....Col. Grethe Cammermeyer.

It was VERY tongue in cheek catwood http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

Yes, but that was not the regular Army, those were the Reserves.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by svpii:
It was VERY tongue in cheek catwood http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif</font>

I know! I just felt the need to chime in. I know my fair share of "straight" military people who probably have no issues checking into hotels with other military buddies. (heaven forbid we get back on topic).

Hmmmm....can't recall any negative experiences when checking in for 1 room/1 bed with 2 men. But have been upgraded several times http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

Yes, don't forget, not all hotel staff are straight http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/wink.gif Sometimes you do get special treatment.

I'm tired of hearing of all of these people getting upgrades or special treatment in the air.

I've never gotten anything!

I usually have better luck with the ladies for some reason; I don't know what the story is.

d

Some part of this is hotels not predicting very well what their customers want, straight or gay.

When I travel with Mrs. Law Lord (who is always distinctly of the opposite gender), and book a king bed, about half the time when we arrive at the hotel we're told that the hotel is out of king beds and would we mind a room with two double beds instead?

I once asked a hotel manager about that... and he told me that hotels prefer to have more double bed rooms... because it gives them more flexibility. You can always put a person who wanted a queen/king bed into a room with two double beds... however, it is more difficult to put two people who wanted two double beds into a queen/king bed.

I had a tough time arguing the logic...

William

I don't think we've ever had a problem with this. I seem to vaguely recall a few situations where the clerk sort of hesitantly asked along the lines of "you're booked in king room, is that what you want."

There have also been a few times, such as a small hotel in Instanbul, where we just took whatever they gave us.

I travel with my boyfriend most of the time. The only time I experienced some "negative vibes" was in Ireland at the Hilton Dublin, where the guy at the desk clearly did not want two men sharing a room, let alone a king size bed. At first he started checking me in normally, then did a very theatrical double-take of my boyfriend and then proceeded to very loudly explain to me that I had booked a king room, yet there were clearly two of us. Assuming he was just double checking, I agreed to this. He then continued (by now the rest of the check-in staff were looking as well) "there is only one bed in the room". I agreed again. "But you are two, and there is only one kingsize bed". At this point it really started to become tiresome and embarrassing, but we got our room in the end (there was not much he could do about it, as there are no laws against it in Ireland - anymore - but you could see he clearly would have preferred not to have such 'riff-raff' in 'his' hotel).
On the positive side, in the hilton in Brussels, the lady at check-in could not have been more charming and even upgraded us to a far superior room http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

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My recent experiences were:

W Union Sq: Couldn't have been better about it. Even upgraded to a large corner Mega Room with King! http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/thumbsup.gif

Four Points Miami Beach: Bit of a battle. Reserved an Ocean View King, told they only had doubles for Ocean View. Pointed out that I had reserved a King and dug out the confirmation. Clerk told us that no Kings left that night (we got in fairly late, and I had even rung from JFK to the front desk to notify of a late arrival). Told that you could only request a certain bed size and it wasn't guarenteed -rubbish. Held our guns and insisted on a king. Eventually given a non-ocean view, but would be moved to ocaean view in the AM. Open door to find a startled woman in bed. Agent now very apologetic when we come back down to front desk. He gives us another room and comps it for that night. Did score a suite finally the next day. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/thumbsdown.gif Cannot wait for W Miami Beach!

KW: Went for a lovely gay resort and no problems whatsoever!

What about at high end 5-star properties?

Some hotels have various category of rooms:

Surperior (1 queen or 2 twins)

Deluxe (1 queen, or 1 king)

Grand Deluxe etc. (only 1 king available)

then the Junior Suites, Junior Executive, and Deluxe Suites (all of the suites have only 1 king)

What if at a particular hotel only the "Surperior" room category have "two twin beds" available, and a gay couple is booked into a "Grand Deluxe" room which costs more and have only one king sized bed?

Will the hotel clerk insist on them to "downgrade" to a "Superior" room just because they are two men and assuming they want two beds instead of one?

Is the argument "But, we prefer to have a larger room (Grand Deluxe) with a nicer view instead" a good argument if asked whether you want to downgrade to a lower category for two beds a good one?

Worse yet, how about the chance of a "gay couple" being denied the right to stay in a high end "suite" just because they only come in "1 king bed" configurations?

I couldn't imagine a four-star hotel ever causing even the slightest hint of discomfort in handling this situation.

We stayed at the Trump International in NYC last year, and everything was handled in an utterly gracious manner (even my great cab adventure at 4:00 am - Have I told that story here?).

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Droneklax:
I'm all for avoiding drama. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/biggrin.gif</font>

I question your sexual preference Drone!! Drama is what WE'RE supposively all about!

-n

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">even my great cab adventure at 4:00 am - Have I told that story here?</font>

No, but we're all ears http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttravel_forum/smile.gif

Well we just got back from Vegas and stayed at the Barbary Coast (good location and cheap). Now, it isn't a 5-star hotel, but it is in vegas, so I did not expect to be asked if we wanted 2 doubles. My boyfriend was with me at the counter and the front desk person asked us when she saw "king" on our reservation.

Sometimes I do wonder if this is a racial thing for the two of us. Are we seen as less of a couple since our skin color isn't the same?

BillJ

i put in an appearance at the W Chicago city center this weekend.

apparently, my genius better half had gotten whatever she could and didn't specify bed type. trust me, you live in a dorm, you get used to two people in a twin, much less a full.

anywho, the desk clerk takes one look at us and says "it says you have 2 beds. perchance you'd like to change that?"

sometimes it happens in reverse. *laugh*
(and we had a great stay. of course. i adore that hotel. i'd live there if i ever won the lottery...)

My limited experience of W hotels (W Union Square and W Sydney) has been that they are exceptionally gay-friendly - as well as being faaabulous hotels. Is this borne out by people's experience of the other W hotels in the chain?

The only time I've ever had a problem at a hotel was checking into a small hotel in Barcelona. Suddenly the desk clerk didn't speak English when we tried to insist on a double/king bed. The entire city was full so we just had to put up with it.

I'm going to Stay at Hilton Chicago on S. Michigan Ave. this weekend. Due to a special rate, I can't specify that I want to researve a king-size bed until upon check-in. I'll keep you updated what happens.... ;-)

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