The Death Spiral of the Centurion Card
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Palm Beach/Hungary 3.9MM AA EXP, UA GOLD 1MM, DL PLT, MARR LIFE PLT
Posts: 238
The Death Spiral of the Centurion Card
Frankly, I am getting sick of how Amex is handling the Centurion program.
1. They increase the free on the second card from $1,500 to $2,500. Yikes...
Then you have the unending slide in benefits
1. Some years back SPG Platinum became Gold.
2. Mandarin Oriental hotels rarely still offer the buy 1 night, get 1 night deal once per year at any of their properties.
3. Virgin Gold is going away
4. US Air Platinum is going away
5. AA lounge access is gone (yes they add a credit but why not reduce my membership fee?)
With this downward spiral the question is: How Many Centurion Cardholders are going away?
I for one am very pissed with a card that is more like a slow bait and switch.
1. They increase the free on the second card from $1,500 to $2,500. Yikes...
Then you have the unending slide in benefits
1. Some years back SPG Platinum became Gold.
2. Mandarin Oriental hotels rarely still offer the buy 1 night, get 1 night deal once per year at any of their properties.
3. Virgin Gold is going away
4. US Air Platinum is going away
5. AA lounge access is gone (yes they add a credit but why not reduce my membership fee?)
With this downward spiral the question is: How Many Centurion Cardholders are going away?
I for one am very pissed with a card that is more like a slow bait and switch.
#2
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Out West
Programs: AA lifetime Platinum, Marriott lifetime Titanium Elite, Avis Chairman, most programs from the start
Posts: 9
You left off
6. Continental went away
7. Priority Pass was downgraded to worthless in the US
8. Upgrade to best room in house at arrival has been replaced with one catagory upgrade at time of booking.
I changed my supplemental card from Centurion to Platinum yesterday. I'll wait a bit before I make a decision on dropping the Centurion card altogether.
6. Continental went away
7. Priority Pass was downgraded to worthless in the US
8. Upgrade to best room in house at arrival has been replaced with one catagory upgrade at time of booking.
I changed my supplemental card from Centurion to Platinum yesterday. I'll wait a bit before I make a decision on dropping the Centurion card altogether.
#3
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 648
Frankly, I am getting sick of how Amex is handling the Centurion program.
1. They increase the free on the second card from $1,500 to $2,500. Yikes...
Then you have the unending slide in benefits
1. Some years back SPG Platinum became Gold.
2. Mandarin Oriental hotels rarely still offer the buy 1 night, get 1 night deal once per year at any of their properties.
3. Virgin Gold is going away
4. US Air Platinum is going away
5. AA lounge access is gone (yes they add a credit but why not reduce my membership fee?)
With this downward spiral the question is: How Many Centurion Cardholders are going away?
I for one am very pissed with a card that is more like a slow bait and switch.
1. They increase the free on the second card from $1,500 to $2,500. Yikes...
Then you have the unending slide in benefits
1. Some years back SPG Platinum became Gold.
2. Mandarin Oriental hotels rarely still offer the buy 1 night, get 1 night deal once per year at any of their properties.
3. Virgin Gold is going away
4. US Air Platinum is going away
5. AA lounge access is gone (yes they add a credit but why not reduce my membership fee?)
With this downward spiral the question is: How Many Centurion Cardholders are going away?
I for one am very pissed with a card that is more like a slow bait and switch.
Why i admit that it isn't the reason i got the card i did get a small kick out of the reaction it got sometimes. What i see now is people with Visa black and winking like 'hey you too huh....lol'.
I wonder if Amex has addressed this. Those with a cent know the difference but those with the copy cats mostly do not.
I guess it really shouldn't matter, should it.......
Last edited by bizorbetter; Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 pm
#4
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Out West
Programs: AA lifetime Platinum, Marriott lifetime Titanium Elite, Avis Chairman, most programs from the start
Posts: 9
This message board is monitored by AMEX. It would be refreshing for them to respond with what AMEX perceives as the remaining value of the Centurion card. What does a new Centurion Card member get for $5,000 initiation AND $2,500 a year????
#5
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Palm Beach/Hungary 3.9MM AA EXP, UA GOLD 1MM, DL PLT, MARR LIFE PLT
Posts: 238
IMHO not worth $7500 and the recurring $2500. They should waive the fee on a second card otherwise I will downgrade it, just not worth it anymore, scandalously overpriced.
#7
Join Date: Oct 2005
Programs: DL 2MM PM;VSGld;EKGld; HilDia; HrtzPC; AvisPC; PP; AmbPlt; JumeiGld; MeliaPlt; TajPlt; ShangriDia
Posts: 953
LOL, I guess you can say $2500 is an exceptional deal for DL Plat status alone when you consider that Delta is actually trying to sell frequent flyers 10,000 medallion qualifying miles toward status for $1,995! At that computation, it would value 75K Platinum status as being worth about $14,962.50 ! On a serious note though, it is interesting that AMEX has not allowed foreign Cents to enter the US market for a number of years through the Global Transfer Program. As the crown jewel airline status benefits disappear in the US market, I suppose foreign Cents can be grateful to have retained their respective overseas cards as some of the foreign AMEX Cent markets have tried to make up for the lack of airline status with more hotel relationships, rental car rates that include CDW, travel insurance irrespective of charging travel to the card, and other fringe benefits that the US card does not have.
Last edited by LAXRuss; Dec 5, 2013 at 10:36 am
#9
Join Date: Mar 2011
Programs: Marriott LT Platinum+Titanium Elite, Hyatt Globalist, AA EXP, Delta Plat, United Silver, AX Biz Cent
Posts: 705
Not defending the erosion of benefits, but just wanted to point out that the fast-track to HH Diamond with 2 stays (which can be one night each), is potentially valuable as well. I would say the value of that alone has been >$1,000 for me this year.
Delta Platinum status should hopefully be worth slightly more next year than this year with MQD decreasing the ranks of top-tier elites.
That said, if AX does not replace the USAir benefit with something else, it will be harder to justify the cost.
Delta Platinum status should hopefully be worth slightly more next year than this year with MQD decreasing the ranks of top-tier elites.
That said, if AX does not replace the USAir benefit with something else, it will be harder to justify the cost.
#10
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 413
The only real benefit of Hilton Diamond is guaranteed lounge access and in my opinion I only care about that when I am traveling outside of the USA.
Even Diamond is obtainable for spending $40k on their credit card which is pretty easy to accomplish for most people.
#11
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Southern California
Programs: Alaska MVP 75K, Delta Plat, Bonvoy Ambasador, Hilton diamond.
Posts: 527
I'm personally justifying my centurion through the extended warranty program...(double the mfg warranty up to 5 years, vs double up to 1 additional year on the platinum).
card pays for itself from my perspective on that benefit.
I am upset about the erosion of benefits, but short of cancelling there is nothing we can do. AMEX wants the centurion to be exclusive...or more exclusive...so erosion of benefits means people with common sense canceling vs the celebrity & ultra high net worth holders not caring at all. I see amex doing very little to stem the bloodbath.
card pays for itself from my perspective on that benefit.
I am upset about the erosion of benefits, but short of cancelling there is nothing we can do. AMEX wants the centurion to be exclusive...or more exclusive...so erosion of benefits means people with common sense canceling vs the celebrity & ultra high net worth holders not caring at all. I see amex doing very little to stem the bloodbath.
#12
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Marin County, California
Programs: Amex Centurion
Posts: 412
Then you have the unending slide in benefits
1. Some years back SPG Platinum became Gold.
2. Mandarin Oriental hotels rarely still offer the buy 1 night, get 1 night deal once per year at any of their properties.
3. Virgin Gold is going away
4. US Air Platinum is going away
5. AA lounge access is gone (yes they add a credit but why not reduce my membership fee?)
6. Continental went away
7. Priority Pass was downgraded to worthless in the US
8. Upgrade to best room in house at arrival has been replaced with one catagory upgrade at time of booking.
1. Some years back SPG Platinum became Gold.
2. Mandarin Oriental hotels rarely still offer the buy 1 night, get 1 night deal once per year at any of their properties.
3. Virgin Gold is going away
4. US Air Platinum is going away
5. AA lounge access is gone (yes they add a credit but why not reduce my membership fee?)
6. Continental went away
7. Priority Pass was downgraded to worthless in the US
8. Upgrade to best room in house at arrival has been replaced with one catagory upgrade at time of booking.
I really miss that one!
#13
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 648
I'm personally justifying my centurion through the extended warranty program...(double the mfg warranty up to 5 years, vs double up to 1 additional year on the platinum).
card pays for itself from my perspective on that benefit.
I am upset about the erosion of benefits, but short of cancelling there is nothing we can do. AMEX wants the centurion to be exclusive...or more exclusive...so erosion of benefits means people with common sense canceling vs the celebrity & ultra high net worth holders not caring at all. I see amex doing very little to stem the bloodbath.
card pays for itself from my perspective on that benefit.
I am upset about the erosion of benefits, but short of cancelling there is nothing we can do. AMEX wants the centurion to be exclusive...or more exclusive...so erosion of benefits means people with common sense canceling vs the celebrity & ultra high net worth holders not caring at all. I see amex doing very little to stem the bloodbath.
Interesting
#14
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: CDG
Programs: A bit of this and a bit of that
Posts: 777
It all depends on each country i guess.. or mostly. In Argentina, I'm getting more of what i spend on the anual fee. (From Free Stays at Top-End Hotels (with no minimum night required, so free), to discounts on air travel (saved 10% on Emirates Business class, which was 5k USD), to my birthday present (a $300-400 Dollar Nespresso, or restaurant invites/discounts/free champagne bottles when we leave, and some other stuff..).. but on the other hand we don't get such exclusive benefits, and most of the people i know who have it here, are complaining all the time about the lack of perks.
#15
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: DEN
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Bonvoy Titanium, CX DM, SQ Gold
Posts: 1,607
Definitely, the US market and International Euro/Dollar cards aren't even the worst.
In Hong Kong the annual fee is now ~5000.00 USD and we get very, very little for it.
In Hong Kong the annual fee is now ~5000.00 USD and we get very, very little for it.