Hawaii: AA to resume ORD - HNL seasonally
Aug 14, 2017, 6:33 pm
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I'd tend to think/wonder if it isn't a utilization issue-- as in must leave at that time to get back in time for wherever it goes next. But just a guess on my part.
Aug 14, 2017, 8:56 pm
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AA wants to consolidate wide body flying at its bases to make things more efficient. The only remaining 777 at ORD is ORD-FCO right now, which will be downgraded to 787 this spring. Also, the only remaining int'l 767 flight is ORD-MAN - domestic is to DFW and MIA.
EDIT: I see that over the winter, the prime-time ORD-LHR flight (AA86) is getting a 44J seat 772. That is a complete surprise to me (and should make SWU usage fairly easy).
EDIT: I see that over the winter, the prime-time ORD-LHR flight (AA86) is getting a 44J seat 772. That is a complete surprise to me (and should make SWU usage fairly easy).
Aug 15, 2017, 7:14 am
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Sort of related to this topic -- when AA moved to the 777 DFW-HNL, on some days they cut the old ~1100 flight and kept only the ~0900 flight. I can understand why they cut one of the flights, but I'm really puzzled by them keeping the earlier flight...it has a much more limited set of connections that apply than the ~1100. Any insight why they did this?
IMHO, AA doesn't make (much, if any) money on ticket revenue on the Hawaii routes, which are almost exclusively leisure markets. These routes operate so that AAdvantage members can redeem their miles to go on vacation, as well as for US Military (to move troops to/from the islands) and for cAArgo. Cargo is a big business for airlines on transoceanic routes. In fact, I've heard that there are some routes where an airline could operate a flight with the passenger cabin empty and still make money because of cargo!
I've gotten so I fly down to DFW the night before in order to catch AA 123, the 9am departure. As noted, I'd rather get to HNL sooner to avoid the horrible traffic that develops by mid-afternoon on the H1/Nimitz/Dillingham heading into town.
Aug 15, 2017, 7:31 am
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^we do the same thing. Love getting to HNL around Noon.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:45 am
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wow, thanks. i just flew ORD-CDG on the 789 at the beginning of the month, so it must have changed over in just the past 1-2 weeks. anyway, this widebody consolidation plan is as per AA VP network planning.
Aug 15, 2017, 9:18 am
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AA wants to consolidate wide body flying at its bases to make things more efficient. The only remaining 777 at ORD is ORD-FCO right now, which will be downgraded to 787 this spring. Also, the only remaining int'l 767 flight is ORD-MAN - domestic is to DFW and MIA.
EDIT: I see that over the winter, the prime-time ORD-LHR flight (AA86) is getting a 44J seat 772. That is a complete surprise to me (and should make SWU usage fairly easy).
EDIT: I see that over the winter, the prime-time ORD-LHR flight (AA86) is getting a 44J seat 772. That is a complete surprise to me (and should make SWU usage fairly easy).
Aug 15, 2017, 9:25 am
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Aug 16, 2017, 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by ESpen36 View Post
I've gotten so I fly down to DFW the night before in order to catch AA 123, the 9am departure. As noted, I'd rather get to HNL sooner to avoid the horrible traffic that develops by mid-afternoon on the H1/Nimitz/Dillingham heading into town.
we do the same thing. Love getting to HNL around Noon.
I stay at ORD the night and get the 5am flight to DFW to take the AA123
Originally Posted by ESpen36 View Post
I've gotten so I fly down to DFW the night before in order to catch AA 123, the 9am departure. As noted, I'd rather get to HNL sooner to avoid the horrible traffic that develops by mid-afternoon on the H1/Nimitz/Dillingham heading into town.
we do the same thing. Love getting to HNL around Noon.
I stay at ORD the night and get the 5am flight to DFW to take the AA123
Aug 16, 2017, 4:49 pm
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But we noticed that AA clamped down on that, including making special provisions preventing us from booking into the "A" bucket, and then zeroing the "P" bucket on the civilized non-red-eyes (back when we had F/A/P buckets on the route). No other route in the Americas got that special exemption. They also started to exclude Hawaii from their better F and J deals to the USA of late.
They must have made some money if they wanted to discourage free loaders like me from buying revenue F tickets on the route.
Aye, that's true enough in general, but don't forget that AA is now weight-restricted on its 321 flights to Hawaii. The 321 doesn't have the range to get to Hawaii against a headwind if it's fully loaded with cargo and pax.
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Aug 16, 2017, 11:15 pm
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AA wants to consolidate wide body flying at its bases to make things more efficient. The only remaining 777 at ORD is ORD-FCO right now, which will be downgraded to 787 this spring. Also, the only remaining int'l 767 flight is ORD-MAN - domestic is to DFW and MIA.
EDIT: I see that over the winter, the prime-time ORD-LHR flight (AA86) is getting a 44J seat 772. That is a complete surprise to me (and should make SWU usage fairly easy).
EDIT: I see that over the winter, the prime-time ORD-LHR flight (AA86) is getting a 44J seat 772. That is a complete surprise to me (and should make SWU usage fairly easy).
Aug 17, 2017, 1:42 am
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AA has been progressively going back to the strategy they had used several years ago, segregating fleets in certain hubs, where possible. It cuts down the need for spares and consolidates pilot bases.
Which is a ridiculous thought.
I'm guessing that is working a triangle over CDG.
The concept that Hawaii is unprofitable is simply untrue. Hawaii is never a home run, but is always a solid single, double or walk, to use baseball references.
Depends on how you value the aircraft's features.
Which is a ridiculous thought.
IMHO, AA doesn't make (much, if any) money on ticket revenue on the Hawaii routes, which are almost exclusively leisure markets. These routes operate so that AAdvantage members can redeem their miles to go on vacation, as well as for US Military (to move troops to/from the islands) and for cAArgo. Cargo is a big business for airlines on transoceanic routes. In fact, I've heard that there are some routes where an airline could operate a flight with the passenger cabin empty and still make money because of cargo!
I've gotten so I fly down to DFW the night before in order to catch AA 123, the 9am departure. As noted, I'd rather get to HNL sooner to avoid the horrible traffic that develops by mid-afternoon on the H1/Nimitz/Dillingham heading into town.
I've gotten so I fly down to DFW the night before in order to catch AA 123, the 9am departure. As noted, I'd rather get to HNL sooner to avoid the horrible traffic that develops by mid-afternoon on the H1/Nimitz/Dillingham heading into town.
Depends on how you value the aircraft's features.
Aug 17, 2017, 10:09 am
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I think Austin787 might have been referring to AA's recent gun-shyness when it comes to competing against the other legacies, particularly with UA at ORD. They seem to prefer to operate "secondary" long-haul routes where they face no or little competition. "Primary" routes, such as ORD-LHR and CDG, will of course stick, but take a look at the history of their "secondary" routes. They launched ORD-BCN this year and will launch ORD-VCE next year, routes on which no other carrier operates nonstop. Meanwhile, since 2010 or so they've ceased "secondary" service to FRA, BRU, and HNL (routes that UA operate).