Baby Stroller Incident on AA591 SFO>DFW April 21st
#421
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Fire that flight attendant
The captain is clearly worthless. There is no leadership there. But the flight attendant is aggressive and making everything worse including provoking the agitated passenger who tries to come to the aid of the crying woman. Send the flight attendant to Fight Club. He would do a lot better there than he is doing in customer service. There is no customer service here just ego. He has no role interacting with the public.
#422
Join Date: Sep 2013
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That would be vindictive and be evidence that you are not a nice person. C'mon, flyertalkers are all nice people!
I am not convinced that the male passenger is not a hothead in real life but he may have some positive aspects in that he is not a sheep.
What I do know is that if all passengers were sheep, the US Capitol would have been destroyed on 9-11.
I am not convinced that the male passenger is not a hothead in real life but he may have some positive aspects in that he is not a sheep.
What I do know is that if all passengers were sheep, the US Capitol would have been destroyed on 9-11.
The passenger needlessly escalated the situation twice to appease his own ego. What if a brawl started and the female pax dropped her child? If he wanted to be a hero, he should have stood up, comforted the female pax, and maybe even offer her his seat.
#423
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http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/video...-dfw/433267921
#424
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That would be vindictive and be evidence that you are not a nice person. C'mon, flyertalkers are all nice people!
I am not convinced that the male passenger is not a hothead in real life but he may have some positive aspects in that he is not a sheep.
What I do know is that if all passengers were sheep, the US Capitol would have been destroyed on 9-11.
I am not convinced that the male passenger is not a hothead in real life but he may have some positive aspects in that he is not a sheep.
What I do know is that if all passengers were sheep, the US Capitol would have been destroyed on 9-11.
Argentine woman - was struck in the face with a metal object. Was either too demanding or unaware of carry on limitations. She turned out ok with a free F class to Argentina, $1000 voucher, and refund of her ticket.
Hot head FA - He is a hot head. To inflate his chest and say "Hit Me!" should make him subject to disciplinary action.
Meatheat male passenger - He is not a sheep. On 9-11, he might have done good. There are indications that he may be a hot head in real life, which is not good. His actions resulted in a free ticket for the woman. My assessment of him is mixed.
AA - their PR is better than United. Good that they didn't call the police or they didn't handcuff the 2 passengers.
#425
Join Date: Dec 2002
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What happened was that the passenger said - without leaving his seat or moving toward the FA, that IF the FA had done that to him, he would lay him out. That's not a threat because the condition in the statement hadn't been met, and the pax hadn't moved toward the FA. The FA then said bring it, and the pax got out of his seat and moved forward (which he shouldn't have done), and the FA moved forward aggressively.
The initial statement from the pax wasn't a threat, and the motion toward each other started only at the instigation of the FA.
The initial statement from the pax wasn't a threat, and the motion toward each other started only at the instigation of the FA.
If someone says on a plane, "If you murder someone here, you will be apprehended or cuffed or ... " that is NOT a threat. Just a statement.
Very disappointed that the Union statement did not get this right. Their assertion that the passenger threatened crew is a DISTORTION.
#426
Join Date: Sep 2013
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You're a little late. The passenger has already appeared on the news.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/video...-dfw/433267921
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/video...-dfw/433267921
#427
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The captain is clearly worthless. There is no leadership there. But the flight attendant is aggressive and making everything worse including provoking the agitated passenger who tries to come to the aid of the crying woman. Send the flight attendant to Fight Club. He would do a lot better there than he is doing in customer service. There is no customer service here just ego. He has no role interacting with the public.
A woman FA blocks the male FA from charging by holding her arm in front of him.
So a wrong can be committed without a Federal law enforcement officer saying so.
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#428
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Exactly!
If someone says on a plane, "If you murder someone here, you will be apprehended or cuffed or ... " that is NOT a threat. Just a statement.
Very disappointed that the Union statement did not get this right. Their assertion that the passenger threatened crew is a DISTORTION.
If someone says on a plane, "If you murder someone here, you will be apprehended or cuffed or ... " that is NOT a threat. Just a statement.
Very disappointed that the Union statement did not get this right. Their assertion that the passenger threatened crew is a DISTORTION.
No words even have to be spoken for intimidation to occur. A pax simply pointing at a flight attendant (or even their estranged ex-wife) then making a strangling or finger gun motion would count.
#429
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Does the FA's behaviour on video look like he "accidentally" hit the lady and gave her a goose egg and almost hit her children? Did he apologize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Did he empathisize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Would you have? Or you identify with the FA and would have behaved the way he did?
If the FA were right, then AA (and many in this world and on this board) are so terribly wrong. He should not have been suspended.
Perhaps the Union should call a strike to support the poor FA!?
#430
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I have seen two people murdered. The killer was not charged so it technically was not murder, maybe killing. That killer should be in jail but, instead, will be receiving an inheritance from the dead people.
So a wrong can be committed without a Federal law enforcement officer saying so.
So a wrong can be committed without a Federal law enforcement officer saying so.
#431
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You added "accidentally" - not sure of your basis for doing so.
Does the FA's behaviour on video look like he "accidentally" hit the lady and gave her a goose egg and almost hit her children? Did he apologize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Did he empathisize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Would you have? Or you identify with the FA and would have behaved the way he did?
If the FA were right, then AA (and many in this world and on this board) are so terribly wrong. He should not have been suspended.
Perhaps the Union should call a strike to support the poor FA!?
Does the FA's behaviour on video look like he "accidentally" hit the lady and gave her a goose egg and almost hit her children? Did he apologize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Did he empathisize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Would you have? Or you identify with the FA and would have behaved the way he did?
If the FA were right, then AA (and many in this world and on this board) are so terribly wrong. He should not have been suspended.
Perhaps the Union should call a strike to support the poor FA!?
It's possible the FA apologized for accidental contact, but she became irate/distraught and kept insisting it was intentional. After a few minutes of that, along with another unrelated male pax inserting himself into the situation, he could have become overly flustered.
If she was truly smacked in the face with it, I doubt she'd still be standing while holding a child. It doesn't even appear any medical attention was being given to her for lack of need.
Anyway, I hope every single person upset at the FA and/or AA decides to boycott them by cancelling non-refundable tickets and award flights. I donate every single mile I earn to charity and they could use make great use of more SAAver awards.
#432
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Hit me! Hit me! Go ahead, be a man and hit me.
Such offense is not tantamount to murder. Who said that?
The male FA is an example of bad professional judgement, being a hot head, and entrapment (instructing the male passenger to hit him with the intention of having him arrested if he complied with those instructions), and being ugly.
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#434
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The male pax would have been really useful when it came to removing Dr. Dao from that United flight.
#435
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You said male passenger is a hothead. What would you call the FA then? Cool head? He would be Nuke Head . He was the one who commanded the passenger
to fight him and his superior, the pilot, plus his colleague, the lady FA, had to physically deter him when he puffed up his chest and readied himself at the passenger. How uncharacteristic of a "hot head" for the passenger to shy away back to his seat.
Last edited by IncyWincy; Apr 23, 2017 at 12:11 am