GilpinGal

The captain is clearly worthless. There is no leadership there. But the flight attendant is aggressive and making everything worse including provoking the agitated passenger who tries to come to the aid of the crying woman. Send the flight attendant to Fight Club. He would do a lot better there than he is doing in customer service. There is no customer service here just ego. He has no role interacting with the public.

MDJennings

If you can't see the difference between passengers stopping a terrorist attack and the selfish actions of a passenger inserting himself into the middle of another mundane issue, then that's your prerogative.

The passenger needlessly escalated the situation twice to appease his own ego. What if a brawl started and the female pax dropped her child? If he wanted to be a hero, he should have stood up, comforted the female pax, and maybe even offer her his seat.

tom911

You're a little late. The passenger has already appeared on the news.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/video...-dfw/433267921

Toshbaf

The bottom line is:

Argentine woman - was struck in the face with a metal object. Was either too demanding or unaware of carry on limitations. She turned out ok with a free F class to Argentina, $1000 voucher, and refund of her ticket.

Hot head FA - He is a hot head. To inflate his chest and say "Hit Me!" should make him subject to disciplinary action.

Meatheat male passenger - He is not a sheep. On 9-11, he might have done good. There are indications that he may be a hot head in real life, which is not good. His actions resulted in a free ticket for the woman. My assessment of him is mixed.

AA - their PR is better than United. Good that they didn't call the police or they didn't handcuff the 2 passengers.

IncyWincy

Exactly!

If someone says on a plane, "If you murder someone here, you will be apprehended or cuffed or ... " that is NOT a threat. Just a statement.

Very disappointed that the Union statement did not get this right. Their assertion that the passenger threatened crew is a DISTORTION.

MDJennings

Perfect! I guess I'll let my colleague know that his name is public so he won't be blowing his cover by coming here and posting what he knows about him. ^

Toshbaf

The captain grabbed the male FA's left shoulder to keep him from charging at the male passenger. The captain is not worthless but professional.

A woman FA blocks the male FA from charging by holding her arm in front of him.

I have seen two people murdered. The killer was not charged so it technically was not murder, maybe killing. That killer should be in jail but, instead, will be receiving an inheritance from the dead people.

So a wrong can be committed without a Federal law enforcement officer saying so.

MDJennings

A hypothetical, "if you serve me cold coffee, I'm going to find where you live and kill you," is more representative of the pax's intended action-threat relationship.

No words even have to be spoken for intimidation to occur. A pax simply pointing at a flight attendant (or even their estranged ex-wife) then making a strangling or finger gun motion would count.

IncyWincy

You added "accidentally" - not sure of your basis for doing so.

Does the FA's behaviour on video look like he "accidentally" hit the lady and gave her a goose egg and almost hit her children? Did he apologize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Did he empathisize? Anyone would have, esp if it were an accident. Would you have? Or you identify with the FA and would have behaved the way he did?

If the FA were right, then AA (and many in this world and on this board) are so terribly wrong. He should not have been suspended.

Perhaps the Union should call a strike to support the poor FA!?

rjw242

But you said the male pax committed a crime by not punching the FA (and in the above quote stated that such a crime is tantamount to murder). So, I'll ask again - is this your official statement on the matter as a Federal official? Will you be pressing charges?

MDJennings

Where in the video was the female pax struck by any object?

It's possible the FA apologized for accidental contact, but she became irate/distraught and kept insisting it was intentional. After a few minutes of that, along with another unrelated male pax inserting himself into the situation, he could have become overly flustered.

If she was truly smacked in the face with it, I doubt she'd still be standing while holding a child. It doesn't even appear any medical attention was being given to her for lack of need.

Anyway, I hope every single person upset at the FA and/or AA decides to boycott them by cancelling non-refundable tickets and award flights. I donate every single mile I earn to charity and they could use make great use of more SAAver awards.

Toshbaf

Ha ha, you are like the male passenger!

Hit me! Hit me! Go ahead, be a man and hit me.

The male passenger did not (and correctly so) obey the instructions of a crew member to hit him. No charges should be filed because the airline is not United ().

Such offense is not tantamount to murder. Who said that?

The male FA is an example of bad professional judgement, being a hot head, and entrapment (instructing the male passenger to hit him with the intention of having him arrested if he complied with those instructions), and being ugly.

IncyWincy

Plus an Easter egg on the forehead.

MDJennings

I think you need to do a little research on the concept of a lawful order or a reasonable request.

The male pax would have been really useful when it came to removing Dr. Dao from that United flight.

IncyWincy

Is your colleague the FA or related to him?

You said male passenger is a hothead. What would you call the FA then? Cool head? He would be Nuke Head . He was the one who commanded the passenger
to fight him and his superior, the pilot, plus his colleague, the lady FA, had to physically deter him when he puffed up his chest and readied himself at the passenger. How uncharacteristic of a "hot head" for the passenger to shy away back to his seat.