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LUS: USDM oneworld Award Bookings - (Closed to new bookings) [Master FAQ and Help]

Old Mar 30, 2014, 12:53 pm
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WIKI POST: Using US Dividend Miles for oneworld Award Flights
As further details become available, please fill in this wikipost.

N.B. Booking opportunities for new Dividend Miles awards of all kinds ended 11:59 PM Wednesday, 25 March 2015. Please continue using this thread for trips booked or in progress through 24 March 2016.

Changes on USDM oneworld award tickets

This is the only official statement about changing issued USDM award tickets:

If I need to make changes to a Dividend Miles award reservation, which program’s rules will apply?


Minor changes such as date/time can be made provided seats are available without requiring a new award to be claimed. More substantive changes such as changes to stopovers or origin/destination may result in the need to reinstate the previously claimed Dividend Miles award, then claiming a new AAdvantage award under the existing AAdvantage program rules.
To make a change on a USDM ticket, you need to get an agent that is trained to use the US reservation system.
The old membership rules do 'generally' still appy to USDM tickets.

For awards ticketed / reticketed on 001- ticket stock, go to the AA Refunds site with your ticket number at hand (unsure if it works with 037- stock at this time)to:
  • Print a receipt with ticket number (instead of Request a refund)
  • See total fees, taxes, etc. attached to your ticket
  • See applicable detailed fare rules
  • Request a refund (may not be useful for awards)
(Go here to print in flight purchase receipts)
Some experiences about changes to tickets, reported by members:
  • Some were able to change their ticket without beeing charged the USD 150.- changing fee.
  • No chance to change a ticket after the first flight segment has been flown.
  • ...


Old stuff

oneworld member airlines - airberlin, American Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, Japan Airlines, LAN, Malaysia Airlines, Qantas, Qatar Airways, Royal Jordanian, S7 Airlines (Sibir), SriLankan Airlines, TAM Airlines, US Airways and their affiliates.

Award Chart for oneworld awards using US Dividend Miles:
http://shopping.usairways.com/en-US/...wardtravel.pdf

You can use the American Airlines, British Airways, JAL, or Qantas sites to search for oneworld award inventory. AA and QF also allows you to search for award inventory using a handy 30 day calendar view. However, availability on the calendar is dependent on site coverage (e.g. QF does not include JL or MH, AA does not include CX and others). Also, the calendar view may not be completely accurate on all partners, so use it as a guide but do not rely on it fully.

One of the easiest ways to search for oneworld availability is through the use of an outside tool such as Award Nexus, ExpertFlyer, KVS Tool, or The Wandering Aramean oneworld Search.

Award Nexus has a free community membership for flyertalk members, and award email alert with premium membership. ExpertFlyer has email alerts and direct GDS access to select oneworld award inventories, such as AA, QF, and US. ExpertFlyer can also search J class certificate upgrade inventory. With KVS Tool, you can search QF, BA, JL and CX's search engines, in addition to other alliances, on your PC (Mac / Linux with CrossOver). You can also set up an alert via The Wandering Aramean oneworld Search. This tool will automatically search on QF for your alert once per day with a free account and four times per day with a paid account.

N.B. With all of the above tools, it is best to search one segment at a time. Most oneworld search engines have difficulty marrying segments.

For route searching with itinerary information, use the interactive oneworld map and timetable.

For searching Intra-North America availability, the best tool is AA.com. Unlike the other oneworld engines, AA is pretty good at marrying segments, so you can search origin to destination.

Regarding availability, the strategy that has been most effective for people looking to book award travel on oneworld is to start searching right at 330 days prior to departure. This is generally when availability is at its best. After that, availability tends to be sporadic until starting 8 weeks prior to departure where some airlines open up availability, and will vary all the way up until the day of departure.

If you're having trouble finding availability, it may be best to look at alternate airports (JL, for example, serves SAN, YVR, and BOS, in addition to the larger markets of SFO, LAX, YYZ, ORD, and JFK).

(N.B. Although US was not adding fuel surcharges to awards, there are reports that they have started doing this for awards containing BA flights.) With the exception of BA & IB, no oneworld carriers require you to pay a fuel surcharge for awards. With BA, be aware that you may have to pay both a fuel surcharge as well as the UK Air Passenger Duty departure tax for intercontinental J and F flights out of UK. These fees vary with class of service and length of flight and are determined by BA; the Air Passenger Duty (see specific thread) is due for all UK departures not under 24 hour connecting flights. APD applies to coach tickets, too, but at a reduced rate. The fuel /YQ surcharge with IB is generally considered minimal.

Known Problems / Workaround:
  • Dep 00:00AM : Some agents have difficulty finding flights leaving between midnight and 2 AM. This is because the US systems show it leaving the day before. If the agent cannot find it, please ask to look at the day before. > source <
  • LA : Flights put on hold will be cancelled after 24h. Workaround: Issue the ticket immediately. > source <
  • JL : US Rep cannot find available seats. Workaround: "Always have to remind Rep to open JL reservations on a new screen". > source <
  • MH : US Rep cannot find awards in First Class. Workaround: First class needs to be booked in P-cl instead of Z-cl (as on most other OW carriers). > source < booking classes: > KVS <
  • All : If you are booking outbound flights at the US Air 335 day window US Air will often allow you to put your reservation on a longer than 3 day hold to capture the return seats once they open up at T+335. There is a report of this for 30 days here, and FT user beofotch was successful in getting a 13 day hold here. Workaround: Huaca until you get an agent who is competent enough to do this. It may help to act naive and ask for your return flight on your preferred date even if it is after T+335 days. Once they get an error from the computer may be a good time to bring it up.
  • ...

Fixed Problems:
  • CX : US Rep cannot find seats on flight CX 645 HKG-DOH. Workaround: none so far, search for different routing/carrier (CMB/DXB/...?)... > source < > fixed <
    > fixed <
  • CX : US Rep cannot find seats on flight CX 640 DOH-HKG. They admit, the flight exists, but are unable to book <source>. Workaround: none so far, search for different routing/carrier
    > fixed <
  • BA/Comair : US rep could not see / or unable to book intra-South Africa flights in BA flight number operated by Comair despite AA treats Comair a full fledged oneworld member under BA, in the same context as KA under CX. Only one reported success booking - poster reported agent had trouble at first but on consulting a supervisor was told "where to look"; the agent did not give any further information. Most everyone else reported unable to book Comair flights.
    > fixed <
  • IB : Flights will be cancelled after ticket issued. Workaround: None yet... > source <
    > fixed <
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LUS: USDM oneworld Award Bookings - (Closed to new bookings) [Master FAQ and Help]

Old Dec 22, 2015, 9:33 am
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you could always show up early and try to do standby
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Old Dec 22, 2015, 10:10 am
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It's an award ticketed in "Z" inventory/fare code for you and your wife, but for your friend it is in "U", is that correct?

Simply changing a flight to a different time or date on an award ticket can be done at any time (without charge most of the time) If you know that the flight you want has the same inventory/fare code, you simply call AAdvantage to change it. Setting an alert for these in Expert Flyer is a good way to find something. Make sure to confirm that your reservation is re-ticketed, and the remainder of your itinerary is intact, including seat assignments.

Changing a flight to a different time or date, but to a different inventory/fare code requires more work for the agent, and may involve a re-deposit fee in some cases for your mileage, then a re-booking and re-issue of tickets. If you and your wife are down-gauging to "U" and you are not EXP status, expect to pay a redeposit fee of mileage. If you up-guage your friend to "Z", they are not supposed to charge the re-deposit fee, but the re-booking and re-issue of tickets still takes place.

If you really want to make the changes, I'd recommend NOT waiting until you get to the airport. The chance that something gets goofed up or held up is greater if you get an agent who is not so familiar with award bookings, some may not even do it. Save yourself some frustration, and call in (or keep calling in) until you find what you want. Verify ALL flights and seat assignments if any changes are made to your reservation. This would be my advice.
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Old Dec 22, 2015, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by Robt760
Changing a flight to a different time or date, but to a different inventory/fare code requires more work for the agent, and may involve a re-deposit fee in some cases for your mileage, then a re-booking and re-issue of tickets. If you and your wife are down-gauging to "U" and you are not EXP status, expect to pay a redeposit fee of mileage. If you up-guage your friend to "Z", they are not supposed to charge the re-deposit fee, but the re-booking and re-issue of tickets still takes place.
OP doesn't want that, he's on a US award with a RTW routing ("mini-rtw from USAir"), which could make an award reissue VERY expensive (at least three one way awards, possibly even more because of AA's rules like "must be published fare" and "can't transit certain regions on some awards").

I agree that showing up at the airport and asking for a redo on a complicated US award an AA gate agent in MIA is probably not all that familiar with might not be the best idea, though... if SDC works automagically, use it (and it sounds like it might if award inventory is available), otherwise... "suffer" through being apart for 12 hours or so?

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Old Dec 22, 2015, 12:25 pm
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date/time changes should be possible as long as there is award inventory , but changing to 1st class is something that , even when US was separate, had a rule requiring that need to rebook from scratch

If availability opens in business on the same flight, should be able to all travel on same flight, but would not expect to be able to get higher class of service

As far as just getting on the earlier flight at the airport, AA does not have a policy which allows this, so unless you like sitting around airports would suggest just meeting up in London
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Old Dec 26, 2015, 7:59 pm
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I did a search and couldn't find anything.

My US Airways award booking was transferred over to AA and the new record locator doesn't bring up my reservation on AA. I called up AA and they said I am fine even though it's not showing up. It's for a flight in Feb., but I booked it earlier this year.

Is anyone else having this issue? Am I right to assume everything is okay and I don't have anything to worry about?
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Old Dec 26, 2015, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by ang2383
My US Airways award booking was transferred over to AA and the new record locator doesn't bring up my reservation on AA. I called up AA and they said I am fine even though it's not showing up. It's for a flight in Feb., but I booked it earlier this year.

Is anyone else having this issue? Am I right to assume everything is okay and I don't have anything to worry about?
I have an award issued by US that I won't be flying for a few more months. It shows up in my list of AA reservations, and if I look at it I see all my flights.

What exactly do you see when you try to look at your itinerary on AA's web site? Does it show in your list of upcoming trips? If you click it, or put in the PNR and your name on the "My Trips" or "Find a Reservation" forms, what happens? If it says the reservation ca't be found, you might have the PNR wrong. If it says it is unable to display the reservation details, there might be a problem that makes AA's web site unable to display it yet it may look fine to an agent. This can happen if segments are out of order, for example.

In addition to the steps above, you can ask an agent to email the itinerary to you. Check that all your flights are listed, in the right order (also check your seat assignments).
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Old Dec 26, 2015, 11:20 pm
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Originally Posted by ang2383
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I did a search and couldn't find anything.

My US Airways award booking was transferred over to AA and the new record locator doesn't bring up my reservation on AA. I called up AA and they said I am fine even though it's not showing up. It's for a flight in Feb., but I booked it earlier this year.

Is anyone else having this issue? Am I right to assume everything is okay and I don't have anything to worry about?
What exactly is happening?

Is it saying that the booking cannot be found or that it cannot show you the contents of the booking

If the latter , there may have been some schedule change or similar that has occurred and a phone call to AA will be able to sort out the ireegularity and then the booking will display ok

If the booking cannot be found , then either you have the PNR incorrect or there could be a problem
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Old Dec 26, 2015, 11:55 pm
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Thanks Dave and Anabolism. So I was given a new record locator from AA. I used the new # from AA to try to locate my US Airways flights on AA.com. I keep getting an error. I called AA and I was transferred over to their IT and they said they can see my reservation on their end and everything looks okay. They can't figure out why I can't view my reservation in my account.

This is the error I get "We are unable to retrieve your reservation with the information provided. Please verify your information and re-submit. Otherwise, if you need assistance, please contact AA.com Web Services."

Thanks for the tip anabolism. I will call again tomorrow and ask them to email me my itinerary.
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Old Dec 27, 2015, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
OP doesn't want that, he's on a US award with a RTW routing ("mini-rtw from USAir"), which could make an award reissue VERY expensive (at least three one way awards, possibly even more because of AA's rules like "must be published fare" and "can't transit certain regions on some awards").

I agree that showing up at the airport and asking for a redo on a complicated US award an AA gate agent in MIA is probably not all that familiar with might not be the best idea, though... if SDC works automagically, use it (and it sounds like it might if award inventory is available), otherwise... "suffer" through being apart for 12 hours or so?
That leg has passed, and I figured I would update the thread with how it went.

Went to Flagship First checkin at MIA. They said that even though there was plenty of availability in both J cabin on friend's flight and F cabin on our flight, the change could not be done for either of us (even accepting a F -> J downgrade) unless there was Z or U buckets available, which it was not. Was not offered standby.

We have done the MIA-LHR leg without problem, the LHR-CDG leg had a minor issue for myself and my wife as the BA record apparently got corrupted due to a schedule change on a later JAL leg. Tomorrow will be JAL CDG-HND in F for all three ... The first leg which our whole group will actually be in the same cabin

This trip has certainly been the most problematic I've ever done as far as confusing the phone agents with an involuntary schedule change on a complex itinerary, but you can't beat the value we got out of this trip ... London, Paris and Tokyo essentially all in F ... All for ~125k miles per person. (and we are doing Tokyo -> Hong Kong - Osaka -> Hiroshima -> Okinawa -> Tokyo on separate tickets).

The other flights are mixed awards and cash, but includes CX F HND-HKG on a 747 ... One of the memorable trips I've ever done as far as premium cabins.
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Old Jan 7, 2016, 6:01 am
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A few days ago, I finished my last US Airways award. This marks the end of an era of fantastic value and an era of being able to grab those elusive QF awards a few days before the AAdvantage users!
125k miles on QR/AA/QF:
PER-DOH-ORD-SEA in C
SEA-PHX-LAX-MEL in F
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Old Jan 21, 2016, 6:31 pm
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Canceled two award flights booked with USDM miles last Sunday. In one case, miles were re-deposited immediately. In the other case, not so, after 6 calendar days. I have 4 new award flights on hold - holds expire tomorrow. This evening, I called AA to inquire as to the redeposit status. After a long hold time, the agent explained that I needed to go through the website to cancel and she gave me my ticket number to do so (and she apologized that I had not been told that before).

She stayed on the line while I went through the process. Well, the ticket was canceled, but in 'pending review' status. I asked what that meant, and she said 'that is a good sign, but it could still take days'.

I do not have days. While she was able to extend the hold of one of my 4 awards, I am still short the number of miles due to be re-deposited.

Has anyone else run into this? Any suggestions for direction? Thanks much.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by lamphs
Canceled two award flights booked with USDM miles last Sunday. In one case, miles were re-deposited immediately. In the other case, not so, after 6 calendar days. I have 4 new award flights on hold - holds expire tomorrow. This evening, I called AA to inquire as to the redeposit status. After a long hold time, the agent explained that I needed to go through the website to cancel and she gave me my ticket number to do so (and she apologized that I had not been told that before).

She stayed on the line while I went through the process. Well, the ticket was canceled, but in 'pending review' status. I asked what that meant, and she said 'that is a good sign, but it could still take days'.

I do not have days. While she was able to extend the hold of one of my 4 awards, I am still short the number of miles due to be re-deposited.

Has anyone else run into this? Any suggestions for direction? Thanks much.
This is really an AA issue, unrelated to the fact that you booked originally via US. That said, agents do have the ability to manually force awards to be redeposited, but it's a bit of work (they need to dig out the certificate numbers from the tickets). Agents also have the ability to keep an award from expiring in exceptional circumstances such as this. Also, AAdvantage Customer Service can force a redeposit and also can allow an account to go negative. So, you have three options that would work: call back and ask the agent to manually process the award redeposit; call back and ask the agent to stop the award from expiring while the redeposit is pending; call AAdvantage Customer Service and ask them to force the deposit or to allow your account to go negative.
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