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Old Aug 18, 2013, 3:03 pm
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NOTE: The last C45 777-223ER was retrofitted to C37 and Premium Economy at KPAE and returned to service 11 December 2018. Please see the new Which 777-200ER? thread here.
Boeing 777-223ER "777" to "772" - now creferred to as 777 on aa.com - Refit. No Flagship First; Fully horizontally flat all aisle access Business seats; Premium Economy; Main Cabin Extra; Main Cabin / Economy.

- Two J seats, two configurations as of 1/1/2019: Two, 37J Zodiac in 20 772 and Super Diamond in 27.

The final two Boeing 777-200 left to be retrofit (aircraft registrations N759AN and N795AN) entered the shop at the end of November. With these out of service, all 777-200s operating going forward will have the following configuration:

37 Business (1-2-1 arrangement)
24 Premium Economy (2-4-2)
66 Main Cabin Extra (3-4-3)
146 Economy (3-4-3)

link to American Airlines Retrofits Its 100th Widebody Aircraft With Premium Economy, TPG, 5 Dec 2018


- Premium Economy installation began June 2017, over December 2018 for the 45J - now converted to 37J.

- Route Deployment, "How can I tell?" and General Discussion

NOTE: On aa.com, seat charts make it difficult to identify which 777 has Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats. See post #1 for the AA seat diagrams of the 777 Business cabins.

If the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front signifying aft (backward) facing seats, its a Zodiac Concept D Business Suite equipped aircraft.

If the available (blue) seats have NO notch in the front (are perfectly square), its a B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo equipped aircraft.


Boeing 777-223ER 777 / 772 (47 total in fleet)

FOR THREADS ON 777-200ER SEATS AND SEAT SELECTION

See
See: AA reducing 45 Business Class seats to 37 from the 45 777s

See: LAA "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER Zodiac Business Seat / Seats for Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite seating discussion. Zodiac fitted aircraft have aft and forward facing seats.

See: "77D" / 772 CIP Refitted 777-223ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats for B/E Aerospace "Super Diamond" Solo Business seating discussion. All seats are "reverse herringbone" forward facing.

See: Best 772 "V2", "V3" Zodiac J Refitted 777-200 MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

See: Best "772 V4" B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200 MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Link to unofficial AA Fleet 772 page with configuration updates.

NOTE: Which Business seats a particular aircraft has is fairly opaque on aa.com, but if the available (blue) seats have a notch in the front, its a Zodiac equipped aircraft; un-notched blue square indicates Super Diamond. See post #1.

See American Completes Two-Class Retrofits for Entire Boeing 777-200 Fleet
July 25, 2017 AirlineGeeks.com Staff

See HAECO interviews AA article here.

Longboater states the last 777 pre-CIP changes to CIP flight was 772 MIA-SCL July 5, 2017. The last old "NGBC" aircraft went to HAECO HKG 23 July 2017 for refitting.

The Points Guy (link) states AA will begin retrofitting 772s with three rows of 2-4-2 seating Premium Economy in June 2017 and finish in Q2 of 2018. AA will treat these as Main Cabin Extra for sales purposes until 15 Dec 2017.

There are 47 Boeing 777-223ER total in the AA fleet. They may be as follows:

13 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with 45 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 55 Main Cabin Extra and 160 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 2" seat chart.

6 refurbished 777-200ER (AA coded "772") with with 37 Business seats with full flat solo suites with all aisle access, forward and aft facing, with the Zodiac Concept D Business Suite in Business, 58 Main Cabin Extra and 194 Economy seats. Link to SeatGuru "version 3" with 37 J seats.

The remainder of the 28 777-200ER fleet (currently AA coded as "772") is comprised of aircraft with 37 B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Solo all forward facing (at an angle to the fuselage center line) Business class, 58 MCE and 194 Economy seats. (No seat chart on SeatGuru yet, but the "Version 3" will probably suffice for MCE and Economy.)"

NOTE:,Premium Economy seating to be added (completion June 2018) resulting in loss of some Economy seats.

NOTES ON 777-200ER Configuration
From Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area": (24 Sep 2015)

That means there will be two different new business class seats on Americans reconfigured 777-200s:

They will not be changing seats for 777-300ERs or 787-8 aircraft.

Heres the full detail on Americans seat plans for ...777-200 aircraft:

"The B777-200 260-seat configuration (13 aircraft) that we are retrofitting now will be completed with the Zodiac (Concept D) Business Suite.

The B777-200 289-seat configuration (34 aircraft) will be mixed between the Zodiac Business Suite and the new Business Class seat."
AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal

For the full article see here for Gary's full information.

The Zodiac fleet of 20 will be justified to all Zodiac aircraft offering 37 Business Suites. Link to Gary Leffs article.

The following 47 777-223ER (100% of the fleet of 47) have been converted as of 08SEP2017:

"45J/215Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:

None, conversion to 37J/252Y has finished on December 18 2018

"37J/252Y" configuration with Zodiac seats with alternating front/back facing seating:
N781AN*, N782AN*, N770AN*,
N752AN*, N774AN*, N765AN*,
N788AN*, N756AM*,N761AJ*,
N785AN*, N751AN* N757AN*
N754AN* N773AN* N798AN*
N795AN* N759AN*


"37J/252Y" configuration with BEA Super Diamond (front facing only) seats:
N750AN*
N753AN*
N755AN*
N758AN*
N762AN*
N766AN*
N767AJ*
N771AN*
N772AN*
N775AN*
N776AN*
N777AN*
N778AN*
N779AN*
N780AN*
N783AN*
N784AN*
N786AN*
N787AL*
N789AN*
N790AN*
N791AN*
N792AN*
N793AN*
N794AN*
N796AN*
N797AN*
N799AN*


Note: 100% of the 777-200 fleet have been converted to lie-flat in J as of 08SEP2017.

The following 47 aircraft (100% of the entire active fleet of 47) have been retrofitted with Premium Economy Seating as of 18DEC18. (All of the 37J 772's are refitted with PE seating):

N750AN
N751AN
N757AN
N752AN
N753AN
N754AN
N755AN
N756AM
N758AN
N759AN
N760AN
N761AJ
N762AN
N765AN
N766AN
N767AJ
N768AA
N770AN
N771AN
N772AN
N773AN
N774AN
N775AN
N776AN
N777AN
N778AN
N779AN
N780AN
N781AN
N782AN
N783AN
N784AN
N785AN
N786AN
N787AL
N788AN
N789AN
N790AN
N791AN
N792AN
N793AN
N794AN
N795AN
N796AN
N797AN
N798AN
N799AN

The following aircraft(s) currently getting PEY at PAE

Last 772 N759AN left PAE on 12/18/2018


Estimated time of completion: end of December 2018


Program details:
  • AA's Boeing 772 / 777-200ER / 777-223ER CIP (Cabin Improvement Program) / refurbishment was to begin Q1 2014 with the test article. First flights with the new configuration occurred October 2014.
    • Cabin changes from the pre-October 2014 777-200 (now coded "777" in the schedule):
      • First class is eliminated
        • Business class seats are replaced with fully flat horizontal seats with direct aisle access initially by Zodiac
          • Zodiac contract terminated, new supplier to be selected (9/15)
            • Main cabin extra is added with 9 abreast seating
              • Economy class seats are replaced with 10-abreast seating, up from 9-abreast seating
                • International (Panasonic satellite-based) Wi-Fi is installed
                  • In-seat IFE to be upgraded, and every seat will have 110V and USB power
                    • A walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like on the 777-300ER is installed for business class passengers.
                      • All 13 45J Zodiac aircraft reducing to 37J
      • New cabin configuration (now coded "772" in the schedule) - first wave of conversions "45J/215Y":
        • 45 Business cabin seats in a 1-2-1 reverse herringbone configuration in a yin-yang arrangement with half the seats facing backwards (foot end towards aisle -- seatguru is incorrect). Seats are lie-flat and have all aisle access and a walk-up self-serve snacks / non-alcohol drinks bar like in the 777-300ER.
          • 45 Main Cabin Extra 18"-wide seats 9-abreast in a 3-3-3-configuration
            • 170 Main Cabin 17"-wide seats 10-abreast in a 3-4-3 configuration, as on the 777-300ER.


See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER Business Seat / Seats for Business seating discussion.

See: Trip reportwith images by TokinaMaso.

See: Boeing 772 / CIP Refitted 777-223ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats for MCE / MC - Economy seating discussion.

Zodiac Concept D Business Suite seat production problem slowed the CIP / refit to a crawl. (The Zodiac contract was terminated and a suit filed against Zodiac 24 Sep 2015.)

The airframes required infrastructure changes to support the new seats etc. and the reconfiguration was accomplished at the airframe's scheduled maintenance "C" check (performed by HAECO at HKG):

Widebody "C" Checks

Because of the complexity of widebody aircraft, all "C" checks are "Heavy C" checks. The complete airframe inspection and service is done every 24 - 30 months. It takes approximately 10,000 man-hours and from two to four weeks to accomplish a widebody "C" check.
Current AA Boeing 777 nomenclature as used by AA, various GDS, etc. as mentioned in several posts, especially hillrider and mall.
  • 772 is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane.
    • 77D is a reconfigured 777-223ER plane, but not used in AA timetables, etc.
      • 77W is the three class 777-323ER.

For the 763 / 767-323ERs Cabin Improvement Program, see the thread Renovated 767-300 / 763 with New Business Class Announced for 1 Apr 2014.

ARCHIVED THREADS OF OBSOLETE 777-200ER with Flagship F, "NGBC" J


Thanks to econometrics, longboater and fedechat for the many updates

updated 18 December 2018 by Fedechat
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ARCHIVE: Which 777-200ER / "772"? J, MCE, PEY, 45J to 37J

Old Jul 15, 2017, 1:31 pm
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I'm booked on award tickets in coach from LAX -->HNL and back in Feb (hoping the upgrAAdes clear), but now the seat map is showing the 772 will have PE. We are in seated in PE, but I'm thinking that's only because we had originally chosen the first row in economy. I don't have the ability to choose any other seat in the PE cabin.
anyone else seeing this for their future trips? I guess it's a roll of the dice as to what aircraft shows up that day.
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Old Jul 16, 2017, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by chicagoflyer1976
I'm booked on award tickets in coach from LAX -->HNL and back in Feb (hoping the upgrAAdes clear), but now the seat map is showing the 772 will have PE. We are in seated in PE, but I'm thinking that's only because we had originally chosen the first row in economy. I don't have the ability to choose any other seat in the PE cabin.
anyone else seeing this for their future trips? I guess it's a roll of the dice as to what aircraft shows up that day.
Schedule change happened last night, and the aircraft went from a 772 to 321B. Guess we'll have to try and re-route through Dallas.
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Old Jul 16, 2017, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by chicagoflyer1976
Schedule change happened last night, and the aircraft went from a 772 to 321B. Guess we'll have to try and re-route through Dallas.
HUGE difference between an A321H ("32B" designation includes the A321T) and a 772!
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HUGE difference between an A321H ("32B" designation includes the A321T) and a 772!
Indeed, but AA's Network Planning team has never been known as customer-friendly and they could care less about the passenger experience... in this case they didn't even try to sub for a different widebody.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 1:00 pm
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Looks like N794AN- the last 777 in the original configuration- will be heading for a cabin rebuild soon. Right now, it's scheduled to operate flight 61 from DFW-NRT on Friday, July 21st. We'll have to see if it will head on to HAECO in HKG or operate back to DFW, although the timing seems about right for it to be heading to HKG...
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I remember how excited I was to fly the NGBC when I made my first TATL trip in J.

Oh, how times have changed.

I'm now more excited to see the NGBC fade into aviation history. ^
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 2:11 pm
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Yes, as I said 2 weeks ago N792AN is due 7/22~7/25 which means N794AN must fly this weekend to NRT/HKG.

I think is time to say

Hasta la vista, NGBC!
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 2:23 pm
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It's not quite the end of NGBC yet. There are still some 767s flying with NGBC, and they won't be retired until later this year or early next year. But once the last 772 is reconfigured it will be the end of NGBC for the 777 fleet.

Some personal notes about NGBC:
My first flight in NGBC was in January 2010, DFW-MIA on a 777. My first long haul flight in business was in December 2013, DFW-LHR in NGBC. In both cases, I was excited to fly NGBC (I flew economy exclusively prior to those flights). But after experiencing true lie flat seats, I agree it's time for NGBC to be retired.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 2:26 pm
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Some personal notes about NGBC:
My first flight in NGBC was in January 2010, DFW-MIA on a 777. My first long haul flight in business was in December 2013, DFW-LHR in NGBC. In both cases, I was excited to fly NGBC (I flew economy exclusively prior to those flights). But after experiencing true lie flat seats, I agree it's time for NGBC to be retired.
Similar experience. Flew LIM-MIA in July 2011 in the NGBC on the 763, then DFW-FRA a couple days later, too.

I remember being so excited about it. ...then trying to really sleep and being very disappointed as I slowly slid down the slope. Lol
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I switched to flying US/AA pretty much exclusively in 2014, prior to that it was mostly AC for me. I may be an anomaly here, but I've never flown the 777 NGBC J or even Y on that plane- have only flown it in F, primarily between DFW and FRA. Having read reviews about the NGBC seats when switching from Air Canada, and being used to flat beds in longhaul J for several years, I did my best to avoid it. Can't say I regret it. The Flagship F suites were nice but the IFE was painfully outdated.

I've flown the reconfigured 772 many times in J and find the BAE product to be especially good- enough so that I don't miss the old F suite seats. Service and catering is about the same anyway.

Glad the old version is finally history!
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Updated to Wiki to reflect the last plane headed to HKG for refurbishment. No more sloped business class seats in the system, although sadly no more F either.

Based upon the arrival date in HKG, I would guess the last plane will be back in service in mid-September.

Nothing left to do now other than figuring out how PE installs are going!
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Originally Posted by nyc6035
Updated to Wiki to reflect the last plane headed to HKG for refurbishment. No more sloped business class seats in the system, although sadly no more F either.

Based upon the arrival date in HKG, I would guess the last plane will be back in service in mid-September.

Nothing left to do now other than figuring out how PE installs are going!
So all planes are being refurbished at HKG?
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So all planes are being refurbished at HKG?
The Business Class seat upgrade was done exclusively at HAECO in HKG as a part of the C/D-Check. The 1 confirmed Premium economy upgrade was done I believe at Boeing Field (IIRC). It's not clear just yet (to me) where the remaining PE updates will be accomplished.
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Originally Posted by nyc6035
Updated to Wiki to reflect the last plane headed to HKG for refurbishment. No more sloped business class seats in the system, although sadly no more F either.

Based upon the arrival date in HKG, I would guess the last plane will be back in service in mid-September.

Nothing left to do now other than figuring out how PE installs are going!
Hooray! The 777-200ER NGBC is dead. Long live the Business Suite. (Adios, Flagship Suite.)

Thank you for updating the Wikipost, which will go to HAECO for a heavy C check and refurbishment be revised soon for the new conditions.

Of course, this thread's "Will my aircraft have NGBC / sloppy seats / wedgie seats." will be replaced mostly by

"Will my aircraft have Zodiac or B/E Aerospace seats?" (There are separate threads for each, linked to in the Wikipost.)

"Will my aircraft have 37 or 45 J seats?" and "What happens if a 37 J seat aircraft is substituted for my scheduled 45 seat aircraft?"

And soon, "Will my aircraft have Premium Economy?" (The first A330-200 with 21 PE and 50 MCE is already flying, so it may not be long... and the 777 Economy seating thread will be revised as well to include Main Cabin, Main Cabin Extra and Premium Economy.)

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The first A330-200 with 21 PE and 50 MCE is already flying
I realize this is the 772 thread, but do you happen to know which A332 registration already has the PE seats?
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