Mar 6, 2013, 10:37 am
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[B]Through / direct with same flight number on multiple segments credit as single non-stop
Through or direct flights are those that use one flight number but may not be nonstop. Takeaway: all nonstop flights are direct; direct flights might not be non-stop. When speaking to agents and you want a nonstop flight, specify nonstop.
AAdvantage Terms and Conditions (link):
If one takes a through / direct flight consisting of two or more segments operated as one flight number, the miles earned are as if the flight was a nonstop. E.g. AA111 FCO-ORD (772) and AA111 ORD-LAX (738) would render miles and segment credits as if you had flown nonstop FCO-LAX, even if you had a change of aircraft, terminals and gates in ORD.
It's not uncommon to have different aircraft carry out different segments, even different "gauges" (narrow and wide bodied) and different terminals. Normally, passengers flying both segments must disembark with cabin / hand baggage at the intermediate stops.
The exception is for round trips using same flight numbers, e.g. a mileage run using AA 123 SMF-DFW-SMF would credit separately and properly.
Seat selection will normally be for seats offered on all segments (as opposed to being able to select different seats on different segments.
Upgrades must normally clear on all segments to clear.
There are other peculiarities (affecting upgrade requests, Five Star Services, etc.) discussed in this thread. Booking through / direct flights can cause challenges one doesn’t experience on connections ting flights with different flight numbers or nonstop flights.
Through or direct flights are those that use one flight number but may not be nonstop. Takeaway: all nonstop flights are direct; direct flights might not be non-stop. When speaking to agents and you want a nonstop flight, specify nonstop.
A direct (or through) flight in the aviation industry is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, which includes one or more stops at an intermediate point(s).
For any flights that earn mileage credit based on a percentage of distance flown, the distance is determined on the basis of nonstop distances between the airports where your flight originates and terminates. On connecting flights with different flight numbers, the distance of each segment will be used. On single-plane, through, or change of gauge flights, the nonstop origin-destination distance will be used and credit for a single elite qualifying segment will be given.
[*]AAdvantage flight mileage credit is determined on the basis of nonstop distances between the airports where your flight originates and terminates. On connecting flights with different flight numbers, you'll receive mileage credit for each segment of your trip; on single-plane, through, or change of gauge flights, you'll receive the nonstop origin-destination mileage credit and credit for a single elite qualifying segment. On American Airlines and other AAdvantage airline participants, you'll receive AAdvantage mileage credit only for the class of service on which your fare is based when you are ticketed. American Airlines is the final authority on the methodology used to calculate mileage and the amount of flight credit for a particular flight or routing. American Airlines is the final authority on qualification for mileage credit and reserves the right to deny or revoke mileage credit at any time if American Airlines determines that mileage credit was improperly given.
[*]AAdvantage flight mileage credit is determined on the basis of nonstop distances between the airports where your flight originates and terminates. On connecting flights with different flight numbers, you'll receive mileage credit for each segment of your trip; on single-plane, through, or change of gauge flights, you'll receive the nonstop origin-destination mileage credit and credit for a single elite qualifying segment. On American Airlines and other AAdvantage airline participants, you'll receive AAdvantage mileage credit only for the class of service on which your fare is based when you are ticketed. American Airlines is the final authority on the methodology used to calculate mileage and the amount of flight credit for a particular flight or routing. American Airlines is the final authority on qualification for mileage credit and reserves the right to deny or revoke mileage credit at any time if American Airlines determines that mileage credit was improperly given.
It's not uncommon to have different aircraft carry out different segments, even different "gauges" (narrow and wide bodied) and different terminals. Normally, passengers flying both segments must disembark with cabin / hand baggage at the intermediate stops.
The exception is for round trips using same flight numbers, e.g. a mileage run using AA 123 SMF-DFW-SMF would credit separately and properly.
Seat selection will normally be for seats offered on all segments (as opposed to being able to select different seats on different segments.
Upgrades must normally clear on all segments to clear.
There are other peculiarities (affecting upgrade requests, Five Star Services, etc.) discussed in this thread. Booking through / direct flights can cause challenges one doesn’t experience on connections ting flights with different flight numbers or nonstop flights.
One or multi-stop, single flight numbers: through / direct flights (master thd)
Apr 15, 2017, 10:03 am
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If its the same a/c, same crew and you remain in the same seat you likely will be allowed to stay onboard. Sometimes crew wants you off the a/c so you are not an obstacle to cleaning. Years back I stayed on a 757 at ORD bound for SNA (comfortable in my F seat) and watching how quickly they turned that a/c was quite impressive.
Apr 15, 2017, 11:34 am
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that's why I'm asking... it seems to depend on the airline or the crew working the aircraft. same aircraft, same flight number, but sometimes they want continuing passenger to get off the aircraft with all carry-on items, sometimes they let you leave your stuff, and other times they simply let you stay inside the aircraft...
If its the same a/c, same crew and you remain in the same seat you likely will be allowed to stay onboard. Sometimes crew wants you off the a/c so you are not an obstacle to cleaning. Years back I stayed on a 757 at ORD bound for SNA (comfortable in my F seat) and watching how quickly they turned that a/c was quite impressive.
Apr 15, 2017, 11:53 am
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that's why I'm asking... it seems to depend on the airline or the crew working the aircraft. same aircraft, same flight number, but sometimes they want continuing passenger to get off the aircraft with all carry-on items, sometimes they let you leave your stuff, and other times they simply let you stay inside the aircraft...
that's why I'm asking... it seems to depend on the airline or the crew working the aircraft. same aircraft, same flight number, but sometimes they want continuing passenger to get off the aircraft with all carry-on items, sometimes they let you leave your stuff, and other times they simply let you stay inside the aircraft...
Apr 17, 2017, 7:07 am
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that's why I'm asking... it seems to depend on the airline or the crew working the aircraft. same aircraft, same flight number, but sometimes they want continuing passenger to get off the aircraft with all carry-on items, sometimes they let you leave your stuff, and other times they simply let you stay inside the aircraft...
that's why I'm asking... it seems to depend on the airline or the crew working the aircraft. same aircraft, same flight number, but sometimes they want continuing passenger to get off the aircraft with all carry-on items, sometimes they let you leave your stuff, and other times they simply let you stay inside the aircraft...
Apr 17, 2017, 8:02 am
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If you're a thru passenger you are allowed to leave your stuff. Not the smartest thing to do, but unless something has changed, not required. It's been 10 years since I was on a direct flight that was actually a truly direct flight and no change of plane involved.
Apr 17, 2017, 9:05 am
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If you leave it, there's too much of a chance that your belongings will "walk."
Apr 17, 2017, 9:26 am
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You must not fly WN often. It was rare for me, too, until I started flying them. Direct flights are surprisingly common with them.
I've seen it go both ways, but never on AA. On WN, they'll sometimes let you leave your stuff onboard (but I feel like this is because they do not catch you). Other times, I've seen FAs instruct pax to take their belongings with them.
If you leave it, there's too much of a chance that your belongings will "walk."
I've seen it go both ways, but never on AA. On WN, they'll sometimes let you leave your stuff onboard (but I feel like this is because they do not catch you). Other times, I've seen FAs instruct pax to take their belongings with them.
If you leave it, there's too much of a chance that your belongings will "walk."
Apr 17, 2017, 10:40 am
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long story short, he filed a claim with United and his credit card company. the Tummi carry-on was purchase only a couple of weeks before his flight at a cost of around $600(plus tax). United gave him $200 within a week, but not really sure why they thought they were responsible at all? Two months later, his credit card company reimbursed him the whole $600. So he actually came out on top. (the contents of the carry-on were just old clothes and toiletries, which he said was very little value) Another lesson he earned was to never buy a fancy $600 carry-on case again. He later went and bought the popular $99 Costco Kirkland carry-on. Nothing like a thief with good taste.
Edit: it was this one https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LW4190Q/
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Apr 27, 2017, 2:20 pm
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What's the latest on through flights with same number? They're such a PITA, but I can't avoid it at this point since AA made a schedule change to my itinerary. AA 104 DCA-JFK-LHR. Do I need C inventory to open on both legs in order to clear a SWU from Y to J on the flight to LHR? I don't care about the DCA-JFK leg, but I'm worried that C will never open on that J0 flight and I don't want to lose the chance of upgrading on the int'l flight.
Thanks,
Thanks,
Apr 27, 2017, 2:38 pm
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What's the latest on through flights with same number? They're such a PITA, but I can't avoid it at this point since AA made a schedule change to my itinerary. AA 104 DCA-JFK-LHR. Do I need C inventory to open on both legs in order to clear a SWU from Y to J on the flight to LHR? I don't care about the DCA-JFK leg, but I'm worried that C will never open on that J0 flight and I don't want to lose the chance of upgrading on the int'l flight.
Thanks,
Thanks,
Apr 28, 2017, 8:32 am
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These continue to be an issue for me via PHX. I typically have to force the multicity fare. Thankfully, I usually get two lower fare buckets versus the through fare.
I have never gotten upgraded unless I booked the individual segments. Even getting the same MCE seat would not be possible, and I would be stuck with much fewer seat choices.
Rasheed
I have never gotten upgraded unless I booked the individual segments. Even getting the same MCE seat would not be possible, and I would be stuck with much fewer seat choices.
Rasheed
Apr 28, 2017, 11:51 am
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Which means unfortunately there is no way to know. Even in midflight a decision might be made to change crew or a/c. I've heard the lead FA get on the interphone and tell other FAs they would be changing routes or a/c instead of going on after a call from the Captain.