Mar 7, 2014, 1:36 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
The current thread for discussing the 767-323ER Thompson Vantage Business Seats is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1542143-boeing-767-300-763-thompson-vantage-business-seat-map-best-seats.html.
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"CIP" Cabin Improvement Program Full Lie Flat Thompson Vantage Seat and All-Aisle Access. 16 of 24 with WiFi, Business with tablets for IFE.
See American Airlines Business Class Seat video in first post [/b][/center]
Due to thread and interest growth, please see 763 / 767 CIP New (2014) Business Seat and Map (master thread). BUSINESS SEAT and BUSINESS CABIN posts have moved to that thread.
NOTE: All currently flying 763s are refurbished.
100% of the active fleet have been converted (as of 30OCT17) (* = wifi available):
- N342AN*, N343AN*, N344AN*, N346AN*, N347AN*, N348AN*, N349AN*, N350AN*, N379AA, N381AN*, N384AA*, N385AM, N388AA, N389AA, N390AA, N391AA, N392AN, N393AN, N394AN, N395AN, N396AN, N397AN*, N398AN, and N399AN*.
The following 34 aircraft have been retired (as of 30OCT17):
- N345AN, N351AA, N352AA, N353AA, N354AA, N355AA, N357AA, N358AA, N39356, N359AA, N360AA, N361AA, N362AA, N363AA, N39364, N39365, N366AA, N39367, N368AA, N369AA, N370AA, N371AA, N372AA, N373AA, N374AA, N7375A, N376AN, N377AN, N378AN, N382AN, N383AN, N386AA, N387AM, N380AN (with N373AA being the final NGBC aircraft retired to Roswell on 30OCT17)
Program details:
- ~26 (46%) of AA's fleet of 57 763 / 767-323ERs have been retained and upgraded with a Cabin Improvement Program - 28 new horizontal lie-flat Thompson Vantage business seats, 14 MCE seats (row 11 gets removed as the business cabin is enlarged), and 163 coach / economy (including 14 exit row) seats. Other upgrades include international satellite Wi-Fi (refit started in 2016), 110V AC power outlets in the business cabin (MCE and coach will retain 15V DC cigarette-lighter style power), new overhead monitors and audio systems, and a refurbishment of lavatories and main cabin seats. No personal in-seat video system was installed - the premium cabin retain the Samsung Galaxy tablets (docked to seatbacks) on international flights, and the main cabin, as well as the premium cabin on domestic flights, will stay with shared overhead screens.
- These aircraft were refurbished for one reason: the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic joint business agreement requires that AA have lie-flat seats for transatlantic routes.
- Link to post with artist's rendition of new J cabin. Link to post with new seat maps as they appear in AA.com
- Link to airchive article including pictures, and Link to mycrewlife blog post with more renderings showing the business cabin.
- Link to FT Trip Report with images
- Link to AA's widebody CIP announcement. For 777 upgrades, see thread 777-200ER / 772 No First; New Business Announced 2014 (767 stuff moved).
J-cabin seat map:
Code:
A D G J 2 0_ 0_0_ _0 2 3 _0 _0_0 0_ 3 4 0_ 0_0_ _0 4 5 _0 _0_0 0_ 5 6 0_ 0_0_ _0 6 7 _0 _0_0 0_ 7 8 0_ 0_0_ _0 8 A D G J Legend: 0 = seat; _ = table
Note: the seats in C behind seats with smaller consoles (inside center) have smaller foot cubbies; those with large feet or shoes will feel cramped. Those over six feet will feel cramped if they lie supine in the fully flattened seat; sleeping slanted or side sleeping with bent legs is possible.
In Business they offer a 110 VAC multi-socket in the e-pad front tray area, and another, as well as USB and audio mini jack at shoulder height over and at the rear of the console. Seat controls are touch controls, and can involuntarily be operated by resting your forearm on the console.
The tray table is released with a button; it pivots out and folds. Table height may impede those who are portly or have long legs. Overhead bins, IFE monitors, lavs etc. have not been upgraded.
JDiver's mini-report here.
Contributors: sensei, SDQBound(former B7e7US), Longboater, Econometrics[/COLOR]
ARCHIVE: Boeing 767-300 / 763 "CIP" with Lie Flat Business (2014 CIP)
Aug 18, 2013, 2:48 pm
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Aug 18, 2013, 2:50 pm
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The current 763 NGBC has five rows at 59 inches of pitch. The new 77W J seats require just 43 inches of pitch, because they're angled.
28 new lie-flat J seats would mean seven rows, instead of the existing five rows, and as each row probably requires less pitch, that might require taking away one MCE row.
Exactly. It's quite clear that the new seats will be 1-2-1 as they've been billed as "direct aisle access from every seat."
Aug 18, 2013, 3:54 pm
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As others have said, AA hasn't released any details beyond the announcement in May, 2012:
http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...widebody-fleet
From that release, the 763s will get "up to 28" new lie-flat seats. With the new seats requiring just 40-some inches of pitch, perhaps seven rows can occupy roughly the space occupied by the five rows of 60-some inch pitch NGBC.
AA also announced that the 763s would feature 14 MCE seats, or just two rows. Sounds like the 28 new J seats would require giving up one row of MCE in the mini-cabin.
http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...widebody-fleet
From that release, the 763s will get "up to 28" new lie-flat seats. With the new seats requiring just 40-some inches of pitch, perhaps seven rows can occupy roughly the space occupied by the five rows of 60-some inch pitch NGBC.
AA also announced that the 763s would feature 14 MCE seats, or just two rows. Sounds like the 28 new J seats would require giving up one row of MCE in the mini-cabin.
We have merged two threads into the existing thread on the 772 and 763 CIP / cabin upgrades and reconfiguration. This makes it easier for those using search to find information, and not ignore the valuable contributions already provided by members (as provided for by the TOS). /Moderator
Aug 18, 2013, 4:03 pm
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No worries; FWAAA's info is in the wikipost at the top of every page rendering of this thread. As for search, it can be tricky - but the basics can be had here, courtesy of Canarsie, a black belt master.
Aug 19, 2013, 12:15 am
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I'm a little confused with the 763 refurbishment. AA says the new configuration will be 28J/14Y+/167Y for a total of 209 seats. But according to the AA website, the current 763s have 195 seats in coach. Whereas the reconfigured ones will have 181. Which is a difference of 14 seats (2 rows). Is the AA website showing the pre-MCE numbers, and there are now only 188 seats in coach?
Aug 19, 2013, 1:52 am
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I'm a little confused with the 763 refurbishment. AA says the new configuration will be 28J/14Y+/167Y for a total of 209 seats. But according to the AA website, the current 763s have 195 seats in coach. Whereas the reconfigured ones will have 181. Which is a difference of 14 seats (2 rows). Is the AA website showing the pre-MCE numbers, and there are now only 188 seats in coach?
Nov 17, 2013, 10:56 pm
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I presume the J seats on the refurbed 763s will look similar to JAL's on their 763s, which are horizontal lie-flat, 100% aisle access, staggered seats with a 52cm/20.5" width.
JL's reconfigured 763s are at 24J/175Y, so an extra row of J seats would bring the count up to 28J for HPdbaAA, while extra-crusher seats would take Y from 175 to 181 even with the loss of space to the extra row of J seats. Maybe a few toilets less as well, along with less catering.
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/newsky/ss6/business/seat/
JL's reconfigured 763s are at 24J/175Y, so an extra row of J seats would bring the count up to 28J for HPdbaAA, while extra-crusher seats would take Y from 175 to 181 even with the loss of space to the extra row of J seats. Maybe a few toilets less as well, along with less catering.
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/newsky/ss6/business/seat/
Nov 17, 2013, 11:25 pm
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I presume the J seats on the refurbed 763s will look similar to JAL's on their 763s, which are horizontal lie-flat, 100% aisle access, staggered seats with a 52cm/20.5" width.
JL's reconfigured 763s are at 24J/175Y, so an extra row of J seats would bring the count up to 28J for HPdbaAA, while extra-crusher seats would take Y from 175 to 181 even with the loss of space to the extra row of J seats. Maybe a few toilets less as well, along with less catering.
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/newsky/ss6/business/seat/
JL's reconfigured 763s are at 24J/175Y, so an extra row of J seats would bring the count up to 28J for HPdbaAA, while extra-crusher seats would take Y from 175 to 181 even with the loss of space to the extra row of J seats. Maybe a few toilets less as well, along with less catering.
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/newsky/ss6/business/seat/
Jan 16, 2014, 8:09 am
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Fascinating. Interested to see how these compare to the J seats on the 77W/proposed 772 seats.
Jan 16, 2014, 8:33 am
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Calling row 20 A/B/H/J MCE is atrocious... The seats are narrower and don't recline--for an intercontinental flight I believe a seat marketed as MCE should recline the normal amount, if not more.
Jan 16, 2014, 9:23 am
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Looks like the new config will have 28 J seats, with 1 row of MCE taken out from the mini section before the lavs and galleys.
While it's nice the number of J seats won't be dramatically reduced, it's unfortunately we're losing some MCE seats. (Especially considering some of the remaining MCE seats are the exit row seats in Row 20 with limited recline.)
While it's nice the number of J seats won't be dramatically reduced, it's unfortunately we're losing some MCE seats. (Especially considering some of the remaining MCE seats are the exit row seats in Row 20 with limited recline.)
Jan 16, 2014, 9:32 am
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The issue that concerns me more as an EXP is the loss of 2 J seats and the loss of 7 MCE seats. Competition for premium upgrades and better than regular Y just went up!
Jan 16, 2014, 7:06 pm
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This is getting complicated. I am looking at the seat map for my coach flight to Rome #236 in May and there is a new code, "Reserved for elite and full fare customers" and most, but not all of the MCEs have that gray triangle in the upper left hand corner, as do some Preferred.It's almost random. Any ideas? No description on the legend.
Jan 16, 2014, 7:20 pm
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This is getting complicated. I am looking at the seat map for my coach flight to Rome #236 in May and there is a new code, "Reserved for elite and full fare customers" and most, but not all of the MCEs have that gray triangle in the upper left hand corner, as do some Preferred.It's almost random. Any ideas? No description on the legend.