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ATTENTION! Before you post...
This thread is for the general discussion about the new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG routes.
Discussion about upgrades on the DFW-HKG flights are here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 Upgrade & Waitlist Discussion
Discussion and questions about flight experiences on the DFW-HKG flights can be found here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 flight experiences, questions
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"In summer 2014, we plan to introduce new nonstop service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Hong Kong (HKG), a first for any U.S. carrier. Plus, enjoy a world-class travel experience to Hong Kong on our brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Check back soon for booking details."
First DFW-HKG flight on June 11, 2014. First HKG-DFW flight on June 13, 2014.
Schedule will be as under, subject to approvals (source airlineroute.net):
● AA137 Departing Dallas 12:45PM arriving Hong Kong 6:05PM (+1 day) [duration 16:20]
● AA138 Departing Hong Kong 1:30PM arriving Dallas 4:30PM [duration 16:00]
● 8,111 AAdvantage miles in each direction
"We plan to introduce new service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Shanghai (PVG), with flights beginning [on 11 June 2014]. We're excited to be the first U.S. carrier to offer this convenient nonstop route, which will complement existing service between our Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX) hubs and Shanghai. Booking details available soon." Date as per 17 Oct 2013 filing with USDOT.
Schedule will be:
● Departing Dallas 10:55AM arriving Shanghai 2:55PM (+1 day) [duration 15:00]
● Departing Shanghai 4:50PM arriving Dallas 6:10PM [duration 14:20]
● 7,351 AAdvantage miles in each direction
In addition to these new routes, we currently offer you even more convenient nonstop flights to top destinations in Asia, including flights between:
Tokyo Narita (NRT) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX)
Tokyo Haneda (HND) and New York Kennedy (JFK) (to be dropped Nov 29)
Beijing (PEK) and Chicago (ORD)
Seoul (ICN) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)
Shanghai (PVG) and Chicago (ORD) Los Angeles (LAX) (not mentioned from AA announcement)
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ATTENTION! Before you post...
This thread is for the general discussion about the new DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG routes.
Discussion about upgrades on the DFW-HKG flights are here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 Upgrade & Waitlist Discussion
Discussion and questions about flight experiences on the DFW-HKG flights can be found here: 77W DFW-HKG AA 137 / 138 flight experiences, questions
Signed in members with 90 days / 90 posts can edit this Wikipost; wiki contents may be printed by using the
(lower right wiki corner)"In summer 2014, we plan to introduce new nonstop service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Hong Kong (HKG), a first for any U.S. carrier. Plus, enjoy a world-class travel experience to Hong Kong on our brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft. Check back soon for booking details."
First DFW-HKG flight on June 11, 2014. First HKG-DFW flight on June 13, 2014.
Schedule will be as under, subject to approvals (source airlineroute.net):
● AA137 Departing Dallas 12:45PM arriving Hong Kong 6:05PM (+1 day) [duration 16:20]
● AA138 Departing Hong Kong 1:30PM arriving Dallas 4:30PM [duration 16:00]
● 8,111 AAdvantage miles in each direction
"We plan to introduce new service between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and Shanghai (PVG), with flights beginning [on 11 June 2014]. We're excited to be the first U.S. carrier to offer this convenient nonstop route, which will complement existing service between our Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX) hubs and Shanghai. Booking details available soon." Date as per 17 Oct 2013 filing with USDOT.
Schedule will be:
● Departing Dallas 10:55AM arriving Shanghai 2:55PM (+1 day) [duration 15:00]
● Departing Shanghai 4:50PM arriving Dallas 6:10PM [duration 14:20]
● 7,351 AAdvantage miles in each direction
In addition to these new routes, we currently offer you even more convenient nonstop flights to top destinations in Asia, including flights between:
Tokyo Narita (NRT) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), Chicago (ORD) and Los Angeles (LAX)
Tokyo Haneda (HND) and New York Kennedy (JFK) (to be dropped Nov 29)
Beijing (PEK) and Chicago (ORD)
Seoul (ICN) and Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW)
Shanghai (PVG) and Chicago (ORD) Los Angeles (LAX) (not mentioned from AA announcement)
DFW-PVG and DFW-HKG Starting Summer 2014 [route discussion]
Oct 16, 2013, 11:54 am
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I predict that these flights will not be successful over the long term. If HKG and PVG made sense from DFW, then Delta would be starting HKG and PVG from ATL, which would be only slightly longer than these over-the-top long-haul routes. Instead, Delta is beginning an Asian build-up from SEA and not ATL.
For the same reasons, UA isn't starting routes to HKG and PVG from IAH.
For the same reasons, UA isn't starting routes to HKG and PVG from IAH.
DL 777: 45J/36Y+/188Y
DL 747: 48J/42Y+/286Y
DL A332: 34J/32Y+/168Y
AA 77W: 8F/52J/30Y+/220Y
Apparently AA thinks they can sell a lot of premium seats on these routes, because that's the only way those would work. (I'm comparing the AA plane that will have to fly that route against potential DL planes that would fly it.)
A 16 hour flight in the back in 3-4-3 Y... ugh.
The good news is is if it DOESN'T work well, presumably there will be some award seats available before the flight is cancelled...
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Oct 16, 2013 at 12:36 pm Reason: my bad, it's 16 hours, not 14
Oct 16, 2013, 11:55 am
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CX has a very decent Indian network. It would be awesome if AA allows flyers to use HKG to connect to India. AA please interline, codeshare and allow award redemption though HKG for India. While this might not have been AA's intension, the flight times seem to work well.
The flight could be expensive and high yielding given it can serve a lot of purpose.
- O&D DFW-HKG
- USA to HKG
- Latin America to HKG
- USA to India
The flight could be expensive and high yielding given it can serve a lot of purpose.
- O&D DFW-HKG
- USA to HKG
- Latin America to HKG
- USA to India
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Oct 16, 2013, 11:55 am
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Oct 16, 2013, 12:06 pm
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Bahaha, I won't be surprised if I fly that 4-6 times a year now 
Very happy to see the service, need to see what date is the inaugural but would love to be on it if possible.
I have the feeling DFW-HKG just became the hardest route to burn a EVIP the moment they fly it.
Very happy to see the service, need to see what date is the inaugural but would love to be on it if possible.
I have the feeling DFW-HKG just became the hardest route to burn a EVIP the moment they fly it.
just like UA, from/to HKG is always the hardest routine to burn SWU, eVIP will be the same
Oct 16, 2013, 12:09 pm
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Times are ok for East Coast, AA really made sure the times connect well for South America flights more though
I would have love a red-eye ex-DFW but that would screw up the scheduling
Now that the heavy money loser HND-JFK is gone,
Where's the next cut, I can't see ORD-PEK making any money either
I'm not at all:
(1) Far less competition from UA and Asian carriers at DFW
(2) The country is moving south as a general matter so DFW closer to growing feed
(3) The economy in Texas has been growing and will continue to grow as long as Texas remains a low-regulation, low-tax, business-friendly state - thus compounding the advantage of (2)
(1) Far less competition from UA and Asian carriers at DFW
(2) The country is moving south as a general matter so DFW closer to growing feed
(3) The economy in Texas has been growing and will continue to grow as long as Texas remains a low-regulation, low-tax, business-friendly state - thus compounding the advantage of (2)
Hmm.
DL 777: 45J/36Y+/188Y
DL 747: 48J/42Y+/286Y
DL A332: 34J/32Y+/168Y
AA 77W: 8F/52J/30Y+/220Y
Apparently AA thinks they can sell a lot of premium seats on these routes, because that's the only way those would work. (I'm comparing the AA plane that will have to fly that route against potential DL planes that would fly it.)
A 14 hour flight in the back in 3-4-3 Y... ugh.
The good news is is if it DOESN'T work well, presumably there will be some award seats available before the flight is cancelled...
DL 777: 45J/36Y+/188Y
DL 747: 48J/42Y+/286Y
DL A332: 34J/32Y+/168Y
AA 77W: 8F/52J/30Y+/220Y
Apparently AA thinks they can sell a lot of premium seats on these routes, because that's the only way those would work. (I'm comparing the AA plane that will have to fly that route against potential DL planes that would fly it.)
A 14 hour flight in the back in 3-4-3 Y... ugh.
The good news is is if it DOESN'T work well, presumably there will be some award seats available before the flight is cancelled...
CX 4 Class 77W: 6F/53J/34Y+/182Y
CX 3 Class 77W: 40J/32Y+/268Y
Oct 16, 2013, 12:09 pm
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This makes connecting and arriving at other destination a very late arrivals.
and taking an early flight, for those of us who are working, means wasting 1 day of PTO
But other than that it is a GREAT news. can't wait!
Oct 16, 2013, 12:10 pm
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Oct 16, 2013, 12:17 pm
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Oct 16, 2013, 12:19 pm
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Not necessarily. The F/J to Y ratio will be better on AA than UA. Furthermore, the dynamics of the feed may be different. I doubt it will be easy but not sure we can say it just jumps up to hardest route to upgrade, especially for EXPs (I think DFW/LAX-LHR take the cake for that for EXPs - might be different for lower level).
Oct 16, 2013, 12:23 pm
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Not super, but CX has 8pm-ish departures to SIN/BKK/MNL, all of which get in earlier than the comparable JL connections out of NRT. That's a small something, at least.
Oct 16, 2013, 12:23 pm
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Nope, there are plenty of available, unallocated frequencies to PVG and PEK that CO could have grabbed and that UA could have grabbed following the merger. HKG? As UA already has three flights to HKG (SFO, ORD and EWR), it could have easily obtained rights to begin IAH if the finances made sense.
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Oct 16, 2013, 12:24 pm
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I predict that these flights will not be successful over the long term. If HKG and PVG made sense from DFW, then Delta would be starting HKG and PVG from ATL, which would be only slightly longer than these over-the-top long-haul routes. Instead, Delta is beginning an Asian build-up from SEA and not ATL.
For the same reasons, UA isn't starting routes to HKG and PVG from IAH.
For the same reasons, UA isn't starting routes to HKG and PVG from IAH.
I do believe DFW-HKG will be a successful-especially with a B789. The B77W is the only plane in the fleet which will probably be able to fly DFW-HKG with decent range/payload. Also other reasons (see below).
I'm not at all:
(1) Far less competition from UA and Asian carriers at DFW
(2) The country is moving south as a general matter so DFW closer to growing feed
(3) The economy in Texas has been growing and will continue to grow as long as Texas remains a low-regulation, low-tax, business-friendly state - thus compounding the advantage of (2)
(1) Far less competition from UA and Asian carriers at DFW
(2) The country is moving south as a general matter so DFW closer to growing feed
(3) The economy in Texas has been growing and will continue to grow as long as Texas remains a low-regulation, low-tax, business-friendly state - thus compounding the advantage of (2)
Hmm.
DL 777: 45J/36Y+/188Y
DL 747: 48J/42Y+/286Y
DL A332: 34J/32Y+/168Y
AA 77W: 8F/52J/30Y+/220Y
Apparently AA thinks they can sell a lot of premium seats on these routes, because that's the only way those would work. (I'm comparing the AA plane that will have to fly that route against potential DL planes that would fly it.)
A 14 hour flight in the back in 3-4-3 Y... ugh.
The good news is is if it DOESN'T work well, presumably there will be some award seats available before the flight is cancelled...
DL 777: 45J/36Y+/188Y
DL 747: 48J/42Y+/286Y
DL A332: 34J/32Y+/168Y
AA 77W: 8F/52J/30Y+/220Y
Apparently AA thinks they can sell a lot of premium seats on these routes, because that's the only way those would work. (I'm comparing the AA plane that will have to fly that route against potential DL planes that would fly it.)
A 14 hour flight in the back in 3-4-3 Y... ugh.
The good news is is if it DOESN'T work well, presumably there will be some award seats available before the flight is cancelled...
EK flies LAX/SFO-DXB with their 3-4-3 B77W's-it hasn't really stopped them. Actually, 3-4-3 isn't all that bad.
I wouldn't be surprised if AA/CX do some kind of JV/ATI down the road. They do work rather closely as it is.
Oct 16, 2013, 12:25 pm
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Oct 16, 2013, 12:35 pm
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Not necessarily. The F/J to Y ratio will be better on AA than UA. Furthermore, the dynamics of the feed may be different. I doubt it will be easy but not sure we can say it just jumps up to hardest route to upgrade, especially for EXPs (I think DFW/LAX-LHR take the cake for that for EXPs - might be different for lower level).