ARCHIVE: Airbus A321 Transcon / A321T / "32B" 3 class (consolidated 2012-2014)
Sep 1, 2013, 8:56 pm
#751
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Of course, we would like to say blah blah you will lose me as an EXP because I can't upgrade my $250 transcon one-ways. Is there anywhere to go though? UA Ex-JFK upgrades are not free and good luck upgrading ex-EWR. And Skypesos? Please. The reality is that I will simply connect more in order to maintain my upgrade rate. AA will not lose me as a customer.
Sep 1, 2013, 11:17 pm
#752
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Has anyone seen the number of 32Bs on order (i.e. A321s with the transcon interior)?
Last edited by hillrider; Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 am Reason: Dyslexia pointed out by Microwave in post #111 below (thanks)!
Sep 1, 2013, 11:21 pm
#753
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OK, sure. Well, VX doesn't have the network or frequency or the FF program/agreements. B6 is one class service and I fail to see why B6 Y is better than AA 321T MCE or even 738 MCE.
Your choice. It's a different calculus for everyone.
I fly between coasts pretty often (3-5 roundtrips a month). Generally my city-pairs are BOS/JFK/PHL/EWR --- SFO/SJC/LAX/SEA, depending on where exactly I am and where I am going.
Since UA got destroyed in the merger, I use AA almost exclusively and so I've basically relegated myself to connecting. It's fine. WiFi and F class makes me productive, as opposed to E+ and no wifi on UA.
I fly between coasts pretty often (3-5 roundtrips a month). Generally my city-pairs are BOS/JFK/PHL/EWR --- SFO/SJC/LAX/SEA, depending on where exactly I am and where I am going.
Since UA got destroyed in the merger, I use AA almost exclusively and so I've basically relegated myself to connecting. It's fine. WiFi and F class makes me productive, as opposed to E+ and no wifi on UA.
Sep 2, 2013, 1:58 am
#755
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Sep 2, 2013, 8:06 am
#756
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http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/compa...rs-deliveries/
Sep 2, 2013, 8:24 am
#757
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The XLS on Airbus' website (curr to May 31 2013) lists AA as having orders for 130 A321
http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/compa...rs-deliveries/
http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/compa...rs-deliveries/
Sep 2, 2013, 9:54 am
#758
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I fly JFK<->SFO once a month. There's no way I'm going to connect. If I'm not going to be able to reliably upgrade, that's fine--I'll just compare coach products. At that point, it's hard to imagine choosing AA. B6 and VX both have much better coach products; not sure about UA and DL, but I'd have to take a closer look to make the comparison. The main thing AA has going for it is its frequent flier program, so if that's not providing much benefit then it's time to take a look at what the overall landscape looks like on this route.
IMHO AA's A321T in Y won't be too bad.
IIRC, I wouldn't be surprised if B6 starts flying their new A321's on said route as well.
I think AA is hoping that it will be able to increase yields and decrease costs (obviously trip costs are going to be much lower than B762's and B763's) by flying the A321T's.
36 Y and 36 MCE's (using seatguru) is quite low.
I hope AA pulls it off but I'm not as sanguine as AA is.
We'll see what happens.
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Sep 2, 2013, 10:02 am
#759
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B6 is one class service and I fail to see why B6 Y is better than AA 321T MCE or even 738 MCE.
Since UA got destroyed in the merger, I use AA almost exclusively and so I've basically relegated myself to connecting. It's fine. WiFi and F class makes me productive, as opposed to E+ and no wifi on UA.
Sep 2, 2013, 10:16 am
#760
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As I've posted elsewhere, I have an itinerary in February that includes a Red Eye segment on the LAX-JFK A321 (at the moment I am the only reserved seat on the seat map in all classes). All my other flights (into international J) have been upgraded with eVIPs but this one. I suspect any upgrades for a while will be held back until days prior to the flights, or even at the gate so loads and demand can be balanced in the transition from B767s. With fewer premium seats, but more departures, it will take a while to know exactly what the migrations will be.
Sep 2, 2013, 10:28 am
#762
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Thanks all. So we can't surmise what a full schedule might look like.
Sep 2, 2013, 8:40 pm
#763
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I fly JFK<->SFO once a month. There's no way I'm going to connect. If I'm not going to be able to reliably upgrade, that's fine--I'll just compare coach products. At that point, it's hard to imagine choosing AA. B6 and VX both have much better coach products; not sure about UA and DL, but I'd have to take a closer look to make the comparison. The main thing AA has going for it is its frequent flier program, so if that's not providing much benefit then it's time to take a look at what the overall landscape looks like on this route.
Sep 2, 2013, 9:04 pm
#764
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Sep 2, 2013, 9:05 pm
#765
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Their frequent flier program is pretty lame, but I've at least been able to use it to upgrade to F at a reasonable price most of the times I've flown them. Being able to redeem on OneWorld is a really nice perk of AA, but I'm not sure it makes up for dealing with a crap Y product on a regular basis. It's possible that the AA 32B Y product will be better than VX in Y.
More legroom, better IFE, generally nicer and more enthusiastic employees.
Yeah, I don't see myself shifting any flights to UA. Now that AA has MCE on most flights, there's really no upside to flying UA.
More legroom, better IFE, generally nicer and more enthusiastic employees.
Yeah, I don't see myself shifting any flights to UA. Now that AA has MCE on most flights, there's really no upside to flying UA.