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The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
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#2896
Join Date: Mar 2007
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DFW, maybe, but I think the real demand to/from HKG is with the financial sector out of JFK, ORD and LAX.
#2897
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 3,522
(I think Cathay is rumored to be interested in operating DFW-HKG.)
This might be getting kind of off-topic for a merger thread, though.
#2898
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: ORD
Programs: AA EXP,2MM, DL Gold,Starwood PLT
Posts: 3,876
Of course either us can know. it's easily available public information from required government reporting. It's just not a big market. It would be mostly connecting traffic. Now can they make that work is another question. It's just not a big O&D market.
#2899
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: RDU
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Posts: 314
Anyway, my point is it's more than O&D in DFW. O&D is a factor (maybe AA starts its own JKF-HKG or LAX where there is more O&D). But there is a complex feeder network to SE Asia plus general HKG traffic across all AA cities. DFW has more feeders but less O&D.
#2900
Join Date: Apr 2012
Programs: AAdvantage
Posts: 108
Good question - I have no idea.
AA went to war with the pilots, in part, to eliminate contractual limits on duty day, and today, AA is free to schedule any flight it wants, within FAA duty day limits. If the plane can fly there nonstop, then AA can unilaterally (w/o pilot consent) begin the route.
AA went to war with the pilots, in part, to eliminate contractual limits on duty day, and today, AA is free to schedule any flight it wants, within FAA duty day limits. If the plane can fly there nonstop, then AA can unilaterally (w/o pilot consent) begin the route.
#2901
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Location: BOS/UTH
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I don't see AA going head-to-head against CX at this point, despite the apparently high demand from the NYC area. Sure, AA does compete directly with JL, but JL was on very shaky ground just a few years ago. As I said, though, I could easily see AA initiating DFW/HKG.
#2902
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Also, without the issue of interlining fares (which seems to drive up prices on CX a lot), O/D is probably less of an issue for AA on DFW-HKG where you'd be getting one-stop fares through DFW wherever it would be a shorter domestic leg than ORD or the west coast.
#2903
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#2904
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Point of clarification - it wasn't pilot consent that AA was missing before, but rather union consent - not the same thing. I was chatting with a pilot and a FA on an ORD-PVG flight last summer and both were quite annoyed that a flight AA had tried to implement wasn't allowed by the union. According to them, AA had tried to implement a DFW-CAN route a couple years back and was denied by the union because it was a bit too long under the old contract. A lot of pilots and FAs would have loved to have that flight available.
#2905
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http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3119
I'd bet against it. AA may intiate DFW-HKG, but unless there are a lot of DFW-only small town HKG-bound passengers, it would make more sense to fly from a city with a lot of O&D (like LAX) and make those 20 DFW and unknown number of small-town DFW-only passengers O&D passengers connect at LAX.
Sure, that would require some of those small-town HKG passengers double-connect, but the higher O&D city will attract more nonstop fares (which tend to be higher). As I've said before, if DFW-HKG made a lot of financial sense, then wouldn't CX be all over that and flying from DFW already?
#2906
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I stand corrected on the joint business arrangement, I had overlooked it. But part of the reason is that I've always been skeptical of these, including the one with BA. Do they really share the revenue in a metal-neutral manner? How is it allocated? 50/50? I get the coordinating schedules, etc., but I'm still not sold on the complete financial metal-neutrality of these arrangements.
#2907
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Here's the AA press release announcing the joint venture from January 11, 2011:
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3119
http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3119
As I've said before, if DFW-HKG made a lot of financial sense, then wouldn't CX be all over that and flying from DFW already?
#2908
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
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I stand corrected on the joint business arrangement, I had overlooked it. But part of the reason is that I've always been skeptical of these, including the one with BA. Do they really share the revenue in a metal-neutral manner? How is it allocated? 50/50? I get the coordinating schedules, etc., but I'm still not sold on the complete financial metal-neutrality of these arrangements.
#2910
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(1) JL and AA would compete to some extent on Korea to US flights, e.g. ICN-NRT-ORD versus ICN-DFW-ORD.
(2) It's pretty common for business travelers to hit multiple Asian cities on one visit, e.g. MIA-DFW-ICN-NRT-ORD-MIA, where it would make sense for JL and AA to offer a coordinated fare and product.