dclocation

I had a flight from JFK to LAX today. I arrived at AC around T-45 and found out that my upgrade has been cleared. The agent printed me the new boarding pass showing Business class cabin – everything seemed to be good so far. I then went to the restroom and changed for more comfortable clothes for the 6-hour flight. When I arrived at the departure gate at T-25, the GA told me that I lost my upgrade and confirmed seat. I can’t believe what I heard. Following is our conversation continued…

GA: I called you for a couple of times but you did not show up
Me: But my upgrade is confirmed and I have my boarding pass printed out already
GA: You should come to the gate earlier. It’s already 23 minutes prior to departure
Me: I believe AA recommends confirmed passengers arrive at the gate 15 minutes prior to departure

The GA finally realized she made a mistake. She handled me a boarding pass with a coach seat far back in cabin. She said that’s the last seat she has on the plane. She did apologize but she said there is nothing she can do at that moment. I was very upset. However, since I have a connection to make in LAX, I had no choice but to take the seat.

I noticed that AA recently intends to start the boarding process earlier than T-30. That’s inconvenient but I can live with it. However, losing a confirmed seat at T-25 is just not too much.

Do we need to forget about the AC and always appear at the gate 45 minutes before departure? I don’t mind of doing so if I travel a few times a year. However, with 120+ flights a year, I really don’t want to do so…

rjw242

Sounds like the gate agent didn't realize you'd rechecked and received your boarding pass at the AC, and gave your seat to the next person on the list. If your upgrade had cleared in advance, it probably wouldn't have been necessary to get to the gate at T-45 or T-30.

It's interesting that we're seeing multiple reports of this happening lately, though:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...e-counter.html

dclocation

This is likely the case. However, shouldn't the GA being able to see that my PB has been re-issued in AC?

fastflyer

The agent at the gate does not see if the boarding card has been duplicated in the Admirals Club. Since the flight is under airport control, s/he may assume that all pax awaiting upgrades are present in the boarding area, and start to page them right before boarding at T-30 (and maybe soon T-40 like DL).

Technically, the gate agent shouldn't un-board anyone until T-15, but I understand the confusion, particularly while paging someone and the next guy in line is standing at the gate making comments like, "he's not here, I'd like that upgrade so I can board."

I've seen JFK-LAX pax be fully processed through the gate (although largely standing on the jetway) at T-20 because the agent boarded early, and I've had to hustle to board. JFK has such long taxi timings that I think the gate agents there try to close-out their flights as soon as possible.

Best practice when the upgrade has cleared during airport control (within a couple hours before departure): go to the gate at the beginning of boarding.

QueenOfCoach

Just out of curiosity, when did you arrive the gate in relation to the printed boarding time? Were you there before, at or after the printed boarding time?

ChiFlyer

Not sure they don't know you're in the club. I was upgraded last week while in the club at Philadelphia (noticed it on my phone) and usually would stop by to get a new boarding pass before leaving the club but the club desk was busy. I went to the gate and handed the gate agent my old boarding pass and she gave me a new one. Someone had written in rather large letters on the boarding pass the word 'club'. So it appears to me that they knew I was there. Now maybe they don't know if a passenger has picked up a new boarding pass at the club.

FWAAA

It's not a recommendation, it's an absolute requirement.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/customerServ...ge.jsp#Minimum

There was something she could have done, and that's admit her mistake to the passenger she mistakenly upgraded and restore your upgraded seat to you.

AA needs to fix its IT so that the agents can see that passengers have claimed their upgrades, either via reprinting the boarding passes themselves or via the mobile phone boarding pass system. Either that or the Admirals Clubs agents need to be locked out of reprinting upgraded boarding passes in situations like yours.

dclocation

Good suggestion. Will definitely do it next time.

I arrived at T-25. The flight was delayed for 2 hours. I was in the AC all the time.

Often1

And there is the problem. AA requires (not recommends) that pax be at the gate by T-15 from scheduled departure. That does not change because the flight is delayed. What OP states is T-25 is actually T+95. The agent had not only downgraded OP, but off-loaded as well and, but for the vacant seat, OP would have been SOL.

This would also account for the unapologetic GA who likely figured that he was doing OP a solid.

The best practice during a delay is to confirm with the GA that it's OK to leave the gate.

jordyn

That's absurd. With a two hour delay posted in advance, there won't even be a GA until T+60.

mattsteg

What is accomplished by calling people up anyway? Just give them the new bp as they board.

tom911

Complain, please. I frequently pick up my upgraded boarding pass in the Admiral's Club and show up at the gate after boarding has commenced, just like you did. Never a problem. Something is wrong with the system if the gate agent will not honor a boarding pass that has been properly issued for a seat in business class. When you write AA, ask them how it's possible for an upgraded passenger to be downgraded when you're at the gate in plenty of time. This should not have happened.

Agree. The passenger should not be blamed for AA's issues, be they with a gate agent or technology, once they have a boarding pass in hand.

The best practice during a delay is to look at your boarding pass that says "business class" and show up at the gate for the new boarding time. You should not have to jump through any other hoops. Why should a plane full of passengers have to all go up and check with the agent? Listen to the announcements made and just follow the instructions.

Often1

If you think it's absurd, just do what OP did. Give the GA who is looking for a reason to UG someone else a basis to do it and you get this.

mikew99

The problem is that, IME, it's impossible to know when boarding begins unless you are already at the gate! This is difficult when flights are on time and nearly impossible when flights are delayed.

Yes, there is a boarding time printed on the bp. I try to schedule my arrival at the gate for that time, but there is an 80% chance that either (1) everyone is still standing around waiting for boarding to begin, which might or might not happen for another 5, 10, or 15+ minutes; or (2) the gate area is nearly empty and the GA are already inviting Boarding Group 3 to board.

I'd gladly be at the gate when boarding begins if only I had accurate information when that will be!

Viajero Millero

Had a somewhat similar experience. On a recent DFW-JFK flight I checked in about 20hrs before my flight. At an airport kiosk.

The next day, about 3hrs before the flight I checked the upgrade list on my phone and as EXP was first.

About 60mins out, I dropped the rental car and on the shuttle I was happy to see my upgrade had cleared and I was assigned the last seat available in F.

I used my phone to go through TSA and 35mins before departure I go to the gate to get a paper copy of my new boarding pass and I'm giving a seat in coach. Saying an "EXP showed up."

Obviously I complained but the agent didn't care.

Why confirm an upgrade and then take it back 30mins before departure? The person was not an Air Marshall and once on the plane I checked the upgrade list and I was magically 2nd.

Is there any official policy on this? Can/should I complain?