Curiosity: 737-800 to Hawaii?
Jun 28, 2002, 9:27 pm
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Curiosity: 737-800 to Hawaii?
Has AA ever flown their 737-800's to Hawaii? I'm currently booked to fly to HNL on a 757, which does not appear to be selling as well as one would expect. Talking to an AA employee about this, it was suggested that a 737 might be substituted as the seat layout is the same (with less seats, of course). I didn't give it much thought at the time until visiting the new AA extension of seatguru.com, and he indicates that AA 737-800's sometimes fly to Hawaii. Is anyone aware of this happening? I'll want to track my upgrade seats in case they change.
Jun 28, 2002, 11:06 pm
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I've never heard of an AA 738 to HNL. Furthermore (and I could be wrong here), I don't think 737's are or can be ETOPS certified.
Just my 2 cents....
Just my 2 cents....
Jun 28, 2002, 11:10 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dallasnewsman:
I've never heard of an AA 738 to HNL. Furthermore (and I could be wrong here), I don't think 737's are or can be ETOPS certified.
Just my 2 cents....</font>
I've never heard of an AA 738 to HNL. Furthermore (and I could be wrong here), I don't think 737's are or can be ETOPS certified.
Just my 2 cents....</font>
Can a 737-800 do it? Sure, but with no pax and for transport purposes only. So can a DC-9. But you won't be flying either of those.
Jun 28, 2002, 11:14 pm
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Don't know if a 737-800 has the range for it, and don't know if AA's 738's are ETOPS, but there definitely are 737-700's that are ETOPS and do scheduled flights between Hawaii and the North American west coast. See for example: http://www.alohaairlines.com/aq/pres...8032120,28894,
Jun 28, 2002, 11:22 pm
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737-800 will be used between Germany and the US in an ALL business class config. by Luth. starting in early fall - they are trying this as a boutique service - with under 80 seats - geared to business travelers to larger secondary markets.
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Jun 28, 2002, 11:31 pm
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Yes, 738s can fly from the mainland to Hawaii. They can also attain ETOPS ratings using the same criteria as any other aircraft. However, the AA 738s are NOT certified to operate these routes, so there is no possibility of an equipment substitution. The LH service is being operated by a BBJ which is a seperate variant of the 73G and should not be considered to be a standard commercial 737.
Jun 28, 2002, 11:54 pm
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The Aloha 737 from BUR-HNL flies right over my LA home and I wish I was on it!
Jun 29, 2002, 6:16 am
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CO has at least one ETOPS 738 for Micronesia.
Jun 29, 2002, 10:38 am
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Aloha also flies 737-700's from OAK to OGG and OAK to HNL.
Jun 29, 2002, 10:50 am
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Continental has a fleet of 737-800s that fly from GUM to Cairns Australia, Manila, Bali, Japan and the islandhopper from HNL to GUM. They are certified for ETOPS up to 180 minutes. So HNL to the mainland would be easily done by a 737-800.
Jun 29, 2002, 11:31 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by askworldtraveler:
737-800 will be used between Germany and the US in an ALL business class config. by Luth. starting in early fall - they are trying this as a boutique service - with under 80 seats - geared to business travelers to larger secondary markets.
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737-800 will be used between Germany and the US in an ALL business class config. by Luth. starting in early fall - they are trying this as a boutique service - with under 80 seats - geared to business travelers to larger secondary markets.
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Jun 29, 2002, 7:49 pm
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Why in the world wouldn't a 738 be okay for LAX-HNL?
Air Pacific flies from Honolulu to Fiji with 737-800 series (6 1/2 hour flight) -- going on to Sydney (3 1/2 hours) one NAN-BNE flight (2 1/2 hours) as well as Auckland, etc.
No 757s in the south pacific/Australia in pax svc, which is perhaps why the 738 is favoured here.
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Air Pacific flies from Honolulu to Fiji with 737-800 series (6 1/2 hour flight) -- going on to Sydney (3 1/2 hours) one NAN-BNE flight (2 1/2 hours) as well as Auckland, etc.
No 757s in the south pacific/Australia in pax svc, which is perhaps why the 738 is favoured here.
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Jun 29, 2002, 8:08 pm
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Pardon for being ignorant... but what is ETOPS ?
Jun 29, 2002, 8:50 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by jshort:
Pardon for being ignorant... but what is ETOPS ?</font>
Pardon for being ignorant... but what is ETOPS ?</font>
Jun 29, 2002, 9:15 pm
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I like YYZ's definition, but ETOPS stands for:
Extended-range twin-engine operations
From the Boeing site:
In 1953, the United States developed regulations that prohibited two-engine airplanes from routes more than 60 min (single-engine flying time) from an adequate airport. These regulations were later formalized in U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Federal Aviation Regulation 121.161. The ETOPS program, as outlined in FAA Advisory Circular (AC) 120-42A, allows operators to deviate from this rule under certain conditions. By incorporating specific hardware improvements and establishing specific maintenance and operational procedures, operators can fly extended distances up to 180 min from the alternate airport. These hardware improvements were designed into Boeing 737-600/-700/ -800/-900 and 777 airplanes.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer..._07/etops.html
Extended-range twin-engine operations
From the Boeing site:
In 1953, the United States developed regulations that prohibited two-engine airplanes from routes more than 60 min (single-engine flying time) from an adequate airport. These regulations were later formalized in U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Federal Aviation Regulation 121.161. The ETOPS program, as outlined in FAA Advisory Circular (AC) 120-42A, allows operators to deviate from this rule under certain conditions. By incorporating specific hardware improvements and establishing specific maintenance and operational procedures, operators can fly extended distances up to 180 min from the alternate airport. These hardware improvements were designed into Boeing 737-600/-700/ -800/-900 and 777 airplanes.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer..._07/etops.html
