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Jul 28, 2005, 11:15 pm
#31
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: too far from the airport
Posts: 3,297
If you have a QF FF number (easy to get if you don't), you can check availability for your preferred flights on QF's online award booking engine. Within the 330 day window, availability should be similar to what AA would offer. Find some dates where F is available on CX and not on BA/QF and it should be no problem for the AAgent to book that (not that there is any rule that I'm aware of that would force the more direct itinerary). As for not taking the SYD-PPT, it's only available twice weekly, whereas (IIRC) AKL-PPT should be available three times weekly. One thing they probably won't let you do is spend more than 24 hrs in Tahiti waiting for a connection to/from IPC. They'll insist on finding a connection within 24 hrs as this type of ticket doesn't allow for a stopover. At least that's what happened when I booked our Oz-IPC... perhaps you'll find an AAgent who's willing to bend the rules, if that's what you're after.
I'm not sure why you'd prefer to route through AKL, though. The nonstop SYD-PPT sounds great.
I'm not sure why you'd prefer to route through AKL, though. The nonstop SYD-PPT sounds great.
Jul 29, 2005, 2:04 am
#32
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Pampanga, Philippines
Programs: TK Elite Plus, FB Platinum, Emirates
Posts: 1,619
Originally Posted by honu
If you have a QF FF number (easy to get if you don't), you can check availability for your preferred flights on QF's online award booking engine. Within the 330 day window, availability should be similar to what AA would offer. Find some dates where F is available on CX and not on BA/QF and it should be no problem for the AAgent to book that (not that there is any rule that I'm aware of that would force the more direct itinerary). As for not taking the SYD-PPT, it's only available twice weekly, whereas (IIRC) AKL-PPT should be available three times weekly. One thing they probably won't let you do is spend more than 24 hrs in Tahiti waiting for a connection to/from IPC. They'll insist on finding a connection within 24 hrs as this type of ticket doesn't allow for a stopover. At least that's what happened when I booked our Oz-IPC... perhaps you'll find an AAgent who's willing to bend the rules, if that's what you're after.
I'm not sure why you'd prefer to route through AKL, though. The nonstop SYD-PPT sounds great.
I'm not sure why you'd prefer to route through AKL, though. The nonstop SYD-PPT sounds great.
Papeete is the problem as you said... I was under the impression that one stopover is allowed, and PPT is on the only possible routing to IPC so I don't quite understand. I have no way to fit a <24h connection in PPT within my dates. Dropped AKL as well, 2 weekly SYD/IPC flights makes this difficult enough!
So I got this on hold:
CX F BKK-SIN
BA F SIN-SYD
TN Y SYD-PPT
LA C PPT-IPC
LA C IPC-PPT
TN C PPT-SYD
BA F SYD-SIN
CX C SIN-BKK
No F available on the TN flights... and only Y on SYD-PPT. But it still looks like a decent deal if I can somehow get that approved by AA.
Jul 30, 2005, 4:09 am
#33
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: too far from the airport
Posts: 3,297
I booked our awards as early as possible (nearly 330 days ahead), so we were able to find availability in C (or Z, depending on the airline) for the whole itinerary. I've heard elsewhere that TN tends to have good availability for premium cabins. Perhaps you'll get lucky if you can extend your hold... how long of a connection do you have in PPT?
Jul 30, 2005, 9:29 am
#34
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Pampanga, Philippines
Programs: TK Elite Plus, FB Platinum, Emirates
Posts: 1,619
Originally Posted by honu
I booked our awards as early as possible (nearly 330 days ahead), so we were able to find availability in C (or Z, depending on the airline) for the whole itinerary. I've heard elsewhere that TN tends to have good availability for premium cabins. Perhaps you'll get lucky if you can extend your hold... how long of a connection do you have in PPT?
I actually found a better itinerary for the other possible week, hopefully that will satisfy the rules as well. LA back from IPC on Wednesday, then TN to AKL Thursday morning. However this one has lengthy layovers (but <24h) at AKL and SYD as well. This itin would have me in CX F BKK-HKG-MEL, and TN in C (I) both ways. Returning in BA F to BKK. I haven't found a single TN F award seat (AA told me A class). Will report how this goes hopefully on Tuesday.
Last edited by LH747FTL; Jul 30, 2005 at 9:31 am
Jul 30, 2005, 10:27 pm
#35
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: too far from the airport
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I hope you get the best itin. for your purposes. FYI, NZ's departure tax (NZD 25), payable in cash or credit card at the airport when you leave, is not required if you stop < 24 hrs. You need to keep your BP from the previous flight to get the exemption.
Aug 1, 2005, 10:37 am
#36
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,743
Extra Stopover permitted to EXPs on Domestic all-AA AAwards?
Originally Posted by JonNYC
...Within North America:
One stopover is allowed in addition to the final destination, at the natural connecting point. This would be the connection which is shown in the most direct routing as determined by the schedules of the carriers involved.
Co-terminals are considered the same point...
One stopover is allowed in addition to the final destination, at the natural connecting point. This would be the connection which is shown in the most direct routing as determined by the schedules of the carriers involved.
Co-terminals are considered the same point...
Aug 1, 2005, 6:43 pm
#37
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,697
Never mind - Itinerary worked fine...
Last edited by 777lover; Aug 2, 2005 at 6:24 am
Aug 3, 2005, 4:10 am
#38
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Location: Pampanga, Philippines
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I now have BKK-IPC on hold with no stopovers and TN F seats both ways. BUT, AA is not accepting my 20h AKL layover, never mind that there is no way to connect to BKK on the same day. 
They rebooked me on a 25min transfer at SYD which is impossible.
They rebooked me on a 25min transfer at SYD which is impossible.
Aug 3, 2005, 9:39 am
#39
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My understanding is that the connecting rule is as follows:
"Passenger has 6 hours to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within 6 hours, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but may not exceed 24 hours. Any connection of more than 24 hours is always considered a stopover."
If I were you, I would argue to AA that the 25 minute connection is not legal; therefore, the connection is not a "scheduled flight" for purposes of the above 6/24 hour rule.
Are you sure AA is not saying that your desired itinerary violates the "must use the most direct routing" rule?
"Passenger has 6 hours to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within 6 hours, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but may not exceed 24 hours. Any connection of more than 24 hours is always considered a stopover."
If I were you, I would argue to AA that the 25 minute connection is not legal; therefore, the connection is not a "scheduled flight" for purposes of the above 6/24 hour rule.
Are you sure AA is not saying that your desired itinerary violates the "must use the most direct routing" rule?
Aug 3, 2005, 5:23 pm
#40
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Pampanga, Philippines
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Originally Posted by Austinrunner
My understanding is that the connecting rule is as follows:
"Passenger has 6 hours to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within 6 hours, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but may not exceed 24 hours. Any connection of more than 24 hours is always considered a stopover."
If I were you, I would argue to AA that the 25 minute connection is not legal; therefore, the connection is not a "scheduled flight" for purposes of the above 6/24 hour rule.
Are you sure AA is not saying that your desired itinerary violates the "must use the most direct routing" rule?
"Passenger has 6 hours to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within 6 hours, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but may not exceed 24 hours. Any connection of more than 24 hours is always considered a stopover."
If I were you, I would argue to AA that the 25 minute connection is not legal; therefore, the connection is not a "scheduled flight" for purposes of the above 6/24 hour rule.
Are you sure AA is not saying that your desired itinerary violates the "must use the most direct routing" rule?
I wonder which rule is more strict - theoretically they could route me on some Y connecting flights with 8hr layovers or so. Neither most direct routing nor less than 6 hours.
I'm going back to the office today - see how this unfolds.
Aug 3, 2005, 9:57 pm
#41
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I'm sorry guys, I just read every post in this thread twice and just still don't understand. Help me with just one simple question if you would, can I fly AUS-LAX(stopover)-JFK(destination)-AUS for 40k in F/J? I know that you could do that under the old rules, I think I take it that you still can, just want to confirm. THANK YOU!
Aug 4, 2005, 6:48 am
#42
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Originally Posted by dspringer28
I'm sorry guys, I just read every post in this thread twice and just still don't understand. Help me with just one simple question if you would, can I fly AUS-LAX(stopover)-JFK(destination)-AUS for 40k in F/J? I know that you could do that under the old rules, I think I take it that you still can, just want to confirm. THANK YOU!
In business/first, the awards were raised to 45k and you can do it for that.
Aug 4, 2005, 8:57 am
#43
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Post #12 in this thread lists the rules for all-AA awards.
Aug 4, 2005, 10:11 am
#44
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Location: Pampanga, Philippines
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Got my Easter Island itinerary finally ticketed today.
BKK-SIN CX C
SIN-SYD BA F
SYD-PPT TN F
PPT-IPC LA C
IPC-PPT LA C
PPT-AKL TN F
AKL-SYD QF Y
SYD-HKG CX C
HKG-BKK CX F
Fingers crossed the CX SYD-HKG flight would open up in F later.
BKK-SIN CX C
SIN-SYD BA F
SYD-PPT TN F
PPT-IPC LA C
IPC-PPT LA C
PPT-AKL TN F
AKL-SYD QF Y
SYD-HKG CX C
HKG-BKK CX F
Fingers crossed the CX SYD-HKG flight would open up in F later.
Aug 7, 2005, 11:56 am
#45
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: San Francisco
Programs: UA 1k, SPG/Marriott Plat, IHG Plat
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I think I understand the rules from this thread, but would someone mind checking my situation below - thanks!
Flying SFO-JFK /stopover/ JFK-SJU-PTP (Guadeloupe- destination) then back PTP-SJU-DFW-SFO
When I work on JFK-SJU-PTP AA insists I have to take the last flight out of JFK (a nasty 10pm dep, 2:30am arrival into SJU). The first connecting flight out of SJU to PTP is at 1pm later that day. Since this is more than 4 hours, I guess they are applying the last flight in/first flight out so that SJU is not seen as a stopover.
My question - is there any way I can legally take an earlier departure out of JFK that same day - my time in SJU would be less than 24 hours but greater than 4 hours. I would not be on the last flight in but would be on the first flight out.
Second option - can I somehow manage an earlier departure out of NY by leaving from LGA or EWR either non-stop or via MIA to SJU?
Thanks for the help!
Flying SFO-JFK /stopover/ JFK-SJU-PTP (Guadeloupe- destination) then back PTP-SJU-DFW-SFO
When I work on JFK-SJU-PTP AA insists I have to take the last flight out of JFK (a nasty 10pm dep, 2:30am arrival into SJU). The first connecting flight out of SJU to PTP is at 1pm later that day. Since this is more than 4 hours, I guess they are applying the last flight in/first flight out so that SJU is not seen as a stopover.
My question - is there any way I can legally take an earlier departure out of JFK that same day - my time in SJU would be less than 24 hours but greater than 4 hours. I would not be on the last flight in but would be on the first flight out.
Second option - can I somehow manage an earlier departure out of NY by leaving from LGA or EWR either non-stop or via MIA to SJU?
Thanks for the help!
