Feb 14, 2013, 9:50 am
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The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
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Feb 13, 2013, 1:35 pm
#3721
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Whatever AA's strategy is in Asia, "aggressive" is definitely not one of them. 
Not counting NRT, I can count exactly 4 TPAC routes on AA metal (you know, the ones I could actually use a systemwide upgrade on).
2 from ORD, 1 from LAX, 1 from DFW, and none from JFK or MIA.
So far AA's strategy with many of their JV partners has simply been more hub-to-hub. New long-haul hub-to-spoke growth has been somewhat unimpressive.
Not counting NRT, I can count exactly 4 TPAC routes on AA metal (you know, the ones I could actually use a systemwide upgrade on).2 from ORD, 1 from LAX, 1 from DFW, and none from JFK or MIA.
So far AA's strategy with many of their JV partners has simply been more hub-to-hub. New long-haul hub-to-spoke growth has been somewhat unimpressive.
ORD-NRT, ORD-PVG, ORD-PEK=3
LAX-NRT, LAX-PVG=2
DFW-NRT, DFW-ICN=2
JFK-HND=1
My math gives me 8 TPAC routes on AA metal to use EVIP's on.
Feb 13, 2013, 1:39 pm
#3722
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Feb 13, 2013, 1:42 pm
#3723
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Whatever AA's strategy is in Asia, "aggressive" is definitely not one of them. Not counting NRT, I can count exactly 4 TPAC routes on AA metal (you know, the ones I could actually use a systemwide upgrade on).
2 from ORD, 1 from LAX, 1 from DFW, and none from JFK or MIA.
So far AA's strategy with many of their JV partners has simply been more hub-to-hub. New long-haul hub-to-spoke growth has been somewhat unimpressive.
Not counting NRT, I can count exactly 4 TPAC routes on AA metal (you know, the ones I could actually use a systemwide upgrade on).2 from ORD, 1 from LAX, 1 from DFW, and none from JFK or MIA.
So far AA's strategy with many of their JV partners has simply been more hub-to-hub. New long-haul hub-to-spoke growth has been somewhat unimpressive.
Feb 13, 2013, 1:58 pm
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Star has been taking a beating over the past couple of years. With a BK exit and the soon-to-be announced departures of US/JJ(/and likely TP) for OW. Despite having more airlines in their alliance, I cannot think of a single reason why Star would still be better than OW. I guess, maybe if you are going to China or Mongolia. That aside, there are some major holes in the Star route map. IMHO, OW acquisitions now represent quality over quantity. This seems to be lacking at the other two alliances, which will take just about anyone.
US wasn't any crown jewel within Star to begin with, so losing it wasn't a really big deal. And bringing in Sri Lankan isn't going to help much either (that's assuming the hub airport is safe from the separatist militants).
Feb 13, 2013, 2:02 pm
#3725
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But between BA, QR and IB you have substantial service to Africa which is what people need far more than intra-Africa service. Frankly, other than SAA, there aren't too many African carriers I want to fly.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:05 pm
#3726
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While anything can happen I say 99.5% this deal is done. An announcement should likely be made after the market closes. Also, remember that a Plan of Reorganization still needs to be filed with the Court, sent to creditors for a vote and then approved by the Judge. There certainly is the risk of certain creditors trying to hold it up although if there is general consensus among most creditors the Judge would likely just overrule any objection.
It probably won't be until late spring or summer until the deal is actually done. It will take another several months before changes to take effect that would impact FFs.
It probably won't be until late spring or summer until the deal is actually done. It will take another several months before changes to take effect that would impact FFs.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:09 pm
#3727
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Feb 13, 2013, 2:11 pm
#3728
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While anything can happen I say 99.5% this deal is done. An announcement should likely be made after the market closes. Also, remember that a Plan of Reorganization still needs to be filed with the Court, sent to creditors for a vote and then approved by the Judge. There certainly is the risk of certain creditors trying to hold it up although if there is general consensus among most creditors the Judge would likely just overrule any objection.
It probably won't be until late spring or summer until the deal is actually done. It will take another several months before changes to take effect that would impact FFs.
It probably won't be until late spring or summer until the deal is actually done. It will take another several months before changes to take effect that would impact FFs.
That said if turns out to be true the boards approved ( which i expect is), i dont foresee any major roadblocks to being finalized. Parker did a great job of getting the creditors on board ( much to Horton's dislike) so shouldn't be any major issues there. Judge will just sign off on it. Say what you will about Parker, well played well played.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:12 pm
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If we're counting partners, I don't think BA+QR+IB can beat the access that SN+LH+TK gives.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:16 pm
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Probably at least a year before we start seeing changes to the FF program. 6 months probably before the deal is approved by all parties including regulators then changes will take some time to implement so realistically probably about a year. Dont expect to use US miles on AA this summer.
That said if turns out to be true the boards approved ( which i expect is), i dont foresee any major roadblocks to being finalized. Parker did a great job of getting the creditors on board ( much to Horton's dislike) so shouldn't be any major issues there. Judge will just sign off on it. Say what you will about Parker, well played well played.
That said if turns out to be true the boards approved ( which i expect is), i dont foresee any major roadblocks to being finalized. Parker did a great job of getting the creditors on board ( much to Horton's dislike) so shouldn't be any major issues there. Judge will just sign off on it. Say what you will about Parker, well played well played.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:21 pm
#3731
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Feb 14, 2013, 9:37 am
#3732
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Please continue the discussion in the AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion thread, as the merger is no longer a subject of speculation - it has been formally announced by AA and US Boards of Directors, and the factual information about that merger is contained in the new "Just the facts" AA-US merger sticky thread.
Just a matter of housekeeping and keeping threads on specific topics separate - as stated, the merger is a fait accompli (subject to the bankruptcy court and USDOJ), so no speculation about that bit is needed.
Topical posts after announcement of the merger have been / will be moved to that thread.
Thank you,
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Just a matter of housekeeping and keeping threads on specific topics separate - as stated, the merger is a fait accompli (subject to the bankruptcy court and USDOJ), so no speculation about that bit is needed.
Topical posts after announcement of the merger have been / will be moved to that thread.
Thank you,
American AAdvantage Forum Moderation Team