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The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
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Jan 18, 2013, 6:35 pm
#2881
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Back to HKG for a minute, there's already lots of competition, both in alliance and out, at the traditional gateways. Why wouldn't AA consider DFW, for example, where there may well be a large market but no nonstops? According to Boeing, the 773-ER is capable.
Jan 18, 2013, 6:39 pm
#2882
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Jan 18, 2013, 6:45 pm
#2883
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Back to HKG for a minute, there's already lots of competition, both in alliance and out, at the traditional gateways. Why wouldn't AA consider DFW, for example, where there may well be a large market but no nonstops? According to Boeing, the 773-ER is capable.
But then again, rather than flying DFW-SYD themselves, they got Qantas to do it.
Jan 18, 2013, 6:54 pm
#2884
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Back to HKG for a minute, there's already lots of competition, both in alliance and out, at the traditional gateways. Why wouldn't AA consider DFW, for example, where there may well be a large market but no nonstops? According to Boeing, the 773-ER is capable.
Jan 18, 2013, 7:12 pm
#2885
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Educate me
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Jan 18, 2013, 8:28 pm
#2887
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It was reported a couple of years ago or so that AA was considering filing for a DFW-PEK route but that the pilot's union had nixed it in advance because it was around 15 minutes longer than their maximum flight time. DFW-HKG is roughly 1150 miles further than DFW-PEK. Has something changed in the new pilot's contract that would allow AA to fly DFW-HKG?
Jan 18, 2013, 8:36 pm
#2888
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It was reported a couple of years ago or so that AA was considering filing for a DFW-PEK route but that the pilot's union had nixed it in advance because it was around 15 minutes longer than their maximum flight time. DFW-HKG is roughly 1150 miles further than DFW-PEK. Has something changed in the new pilot's contract that would allow AA to fly DFW-HKG?
Jan 18, 2013, 9:00 pm
#2889
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It was reported a couple of years ago or so that AA was considering filing for a DFW-PEK route but that the pilot's union had nixed it in advance because it was around 15 minutes longer than their maximum flight time. DFW-HKG is roughly 1150 miles further than DFW-PEK. Has something changed in the new pilot's contract that would allow AA to fly DFW-HKG?
Jan 18, 2013, 9:01 pm
#2890
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Thanks. I did not know that.
Jan 18, 2013, 9:07 pm
#2891
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And folks said the exact same thing about the QF DFW-SYD flight when it started at 5 times a week. Then it went to daily. ExpertFlyer frequently shows it at or near sold out (like tonight).
Jan 19, 2013, 4:50 am
#2892
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I believe that you don't need "authority" to fly US-HKG, you just need the planes, the slots and the demand.
Jan 19, 2013, 5:08 am
#2893
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Neither you nor I know O&D for HKG but we do have to add in SE feeder flights into DFW and onward travel to KUL; SIN; BKK; Shenzin; etc.
Jan 19, 2013, 12:19 pm
#2894
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DL has figured out how to fill more of its new flights from LGA - shame Parker's US couldn't figure out how to do the same.
Your taking my thoughts to literally. Us gave up on NYC but didn't pull out completely. I just don't think they should focus many resources on adding capacity to Asia. Do they even have a partner in china to feed service? Delta may be bigger than ual to Tokyo, but star alliance really shines in Asia. Only reason I keep my us membership.
Not NYC but Chicago, yes. I saw a jp Morgan presentation on this somewhere and thought it was a good idea. They will never catch up to united in Chicago. I think aa should concentrate in new yorj on where they are strong and not get into a price war with ual and delta which they will loose - trying to duplicate what their competitors have. NYC may be the largest aviation market but I can fly from rdu to lga for 200 walkup or 80 a week out vs 480 and 225 to dca. There's just so much competition in NYC.
Jamie Baker, J.P. Morgan: J.P. Morgan’s analysts begin their note with three words: ”We were wrong.” Previously, J.P. Morgan had deemed a voluntary bankruptcy filing as highly unlikely. “‘The company has approximately $4.1 billion in unrestricted cash and short-term investments… [and] is anticipated to be more than sufficient to assure that its vendors, suppliers and other business partners will be paid timely and in full….’ So, this WASN’T about liquidity (liquidity is about 18% of LTM revenue).”
Whoops. Having missed the signs that AA was preparing to file Ch 11 (and told his clients a filing was highly unlikely, Baker went on to incorrectly predict that AA would shrink by about 10% while in Ch 11:
Analysts on Thursday predicted the Fort Worth, Texas-based carrier would slash its systemwide seat capacity as it dumps leasing contracts for old, fuel-guzzling MD-80s, 757s and 767s. In turn, that could leave some $1.4 billion in revenue for competitors to pick up, according to investment firm J.P. Morgan.
“We are modeling for a 10% AMR capacity cut,” J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker wrote in a note. “This equates to a 1% to 3% revenue improvement per competitor in 2012.”
“We are modeling for a 10% AMR capacity cut,” J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker wrote in a note. “This equates to a 1% to 3% revenue improvement per competitor in 2012.”
Jamie Baker is a stock analyst - and I'm not sure how that makes him qualified to opine that AA should abandon CHI to UA and WN. I doubt it influenced his statements, but I have to point out that Chase and UA have a long-standing and mutually beneficial relationship, and AA's departure from CHI would no doubt benefit UA (and thus, Chase). I'm certain that if a Citi analyst said that UA and DL should scale back in NYC and leave the flying to AA, someone would point out the obvious as well . . .
Us feeds a ton of business to star partners in Europe. They loose those and gain, what? Ba? They can't expand at lhr if they wAnted 2. Iberia and Spain are a joke compared to all the great European star members.
Also, dca is really the gem of us airways and they get a TON of big $$$$ ual and star spenders out of dca. I was on dca to phx with daughters and I was only us elite in first. All paid ual flyers. Moving to one world hurts us at dca. Even with the merger dca becomes less valuable than it currently is because of loss of ual ff. Us has a nice niche in star.
Also, dca is really the gem of us airways and they get a TON of big $$$$ ual and star spenders out of dca. I was on dca to phx with daughters and I was only us elite in first. All paid ual flyers. Moving to one world hurts us at dca. Even with the merger dca becomes less valuable than it currently is because of loss of ual ff. Us has a nice niche in star.
As to US' position in Star, US isn't part of the immunized joint venture across the Atlantic and thus must compete with UA and LH for transatlantic business. If US was so valuable to Star, then why hasn't Star invited US to join the joint venture?
So could lh. If things get so bad with the air markets that us files cap 11 I bet aa will be lying right next to them. Aa is still a sick puppy. I wouldn't invest a dime in the "cornerstone strategy". The only imminent labor action I see us aa unions revolting of they don't get their pay raises and Horton gets is post bankruptcy payout. I'm a betting man and l will put money on that one.
Oneworld adds nothing to us. Us could care less about Asia, the Middle East or loney non "cornerstone" elites. Star rules Europe and ual is a good partner in dca. That trumps anything one world can offer.
Oneworld adds nothing to us. Us could care less about Asia, the Middle East or loney non "cornerstone" elites. Star rules Europe and ual is a good partner in dca. That trumps anything one world can offer.
Jan 19, 2013, 6:54 pm
#2895
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I think we will see HKG connected to both DFW and MIA (MIAHKG is actually the largest Southeast U.S.-Hong Kong market) within five years.
