Sep 25, 2014, 9:04 am
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American Airlines Flight Attendant Tentative Agreement Highlights
“Top of scale” pay rises to $53.52 an hour, an increase from $49.05 for AA cabin crew and $47.62 for those at US Airways. New lead pay for AA narrow bodies added.
Other highlights: yearly pay raises for the duration of the contract (2% for the second, third, and fourth years and 3% for the final year) and the pay ladder has been shortened from 15 to 13 years. Improvements in vacation benefits, holiday pay, and deadheading and training pay.
Newly added: minimum required work hours for all benefits changed from 40 hours per month to 480 hours per annum (greater flexibility for accruing benefits).
Above from American Flight Attendant Contract to Provide ‘Industry Leading’ Pay and Benefits (published Wednesday in our newsroom)
“Top of scale” pay rises to $53.52 an hour, an increase from $49.05 for AA cabin crew and $47.62 for those at US Airways. New lead pay for AA narrow bodies added.
Other highlights: yearly pay raises for the duration of the contract (2% for the second, third, and fourth years and 3% for the final year) and the pay ladder has been shortened from 15 to 13 years. Improvements in vacation benefits, holiday pay, and deadheading and training pay.
Newly added: minimum required work hours for all benefits changed from 40 hours per month to 480 hours per annum (greater flexibility for accruing benefits).
Above from American Flight Attendant Contract to Provide ‘Industry Leading’ Pay and Benefits (published Wednesday in our newsroom)
APFA Announces a Tentative Flight Attendant Agreement (merged threads)
Sep 29, 2014, 8:01 am
#31
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While there is typically no "direct pay" for F/A's for anything other than actual block time (gate to gate), they are paid indirectly.
1. Expense money actually applies from one hour before sign-in at base until the end of their trip (1-6 days later).
2. F/As are also guaranteed 1 minute for every 2 minutes of duty time. So to use a simple example (and ignoring the minimum average day requirement) if they have a 2 hour delay and the flight was only scheduled for one hour they would get paid 2:15 hours of flight pay (duty day 4:30 = 1:30 signin and debrief + 1 hour flight time + 2 hours delay)/2 = 2:15.
3. Similar to above, they also are gauranteed 1 minute for every 3.5 minutes away from base (so if signin to end of debrief is 48 hours, flight pay would be (48 x 60)/3.5).
4. Plus they also are guranteed an average of 5 hours for every duty period in the trip
5. In addition to all of this, if they are onboard the aircraft more than 30 minutes passed scheduled departure with passengers, they receive holding time of $15/hour.
All of these complex formulas are meant to compensate them for any "unproductive" time (meaning time that the flight pay clock isn't ticking because of actual flying).
1. Expense money actually applies from one hour before sign-in at base until the end of their trip (1-6 days later).
2. F/As are also guaranteed 1 minute for every 2 minutes of duty time. So to use a simple example (and ignoring the minimum average day requirement) if they have a 2 hour delay and the flight was only scheduled for one hour they would get paid 2:15 hours of flight pay (duty day 4:30 = 1:30 signin and debrief + 1 hour flight time + 2 hours delay)/2 = 2:15.
3. Similar to above, they also are gauranteed 1 minute for every 3.5 minutes away from base (so if signin to end of debrief is 48 hours, flight pay would be (48 x 60)/3.5).
4. Plus they also are guranteed an average of 5 hours for every duty period in the trip
5. In addition to all of this, if they are onboard the aircraft more than 30 minutes passed scheduled departure with passengers, they receive holding time of $15/hour.
All of these complex formulas are meant to compensate them for any "unproductive" time (meaning time that the flight pay clock isn't ticking because of actual flying).
Sep 30, 2014, 12:20 am
#34
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While there is typically no "direct pay" for F/A's for anything other than actual block time (gate to gate), they are paid indirectly.
1. Expense money actually applies from one hour before sign-in at base until the end of their trip (1-6 days later).
2. F/As are also guaranteed 1 minute for every 2 minutes of duty time. So to use a simple example (and ignoring the minimum average day requirement) if they have a 2 hour delay and the flight was only scheduled for one hour they would get paid 2:15 hours of flight pay (duty day 4:30 = 1:30 signin and debrief + 1 hour flight time + 2 hours delay)/2 = 2:15.
3. Similar to above, they also are gauranteed 1 minute for every 3.5 minutes away from base (so if signin to end of debrief is 48 hours, flight pay would be (48 x 60)/3.5).
4. Plus they also are guranteed an average of 5 hours for every duty period in the trip
5. In addition to all of this, if they are onboard the aircraft more than 30 minutes passed scheduled departure with passengers, they receive holding time of $15/hour.
All of these complex formulas are meant to compensate them for any "unproductive" time (meaning time that the flight pay clock isn't ticking because of actual flying).
1. Expense money actually applies from one hour before sign-in at base until the end of their trip (1-6 days later).
2. F/As are also guaranteed 1 minute for every 2 minutes of duty time. So to use a simple example (and ignoring the minimum average day requirement) if they have a 2 hour delay and the flight was only scheduled for one hour they would get paid 2:15 hours of flight pay (duty day 4:30 = 1:30 signin and debrief + 1 hour flight time + 2 hours delay)/2 = 2:15.
3. Similar to above, they also are gauranteed 1 minute for every 3.5 minutes away from base (so if signin to end of debrief is 48 hours, flight pay would be (48 x 60)/3.5).
4. Plus they also are guranteed an average of 5 hours for every duty period in the trip
5. In addition to all of this, if they are onboard the aircraft more than 30 minutes passed scheduled departure with passengers, they receive holding time of $15/hour.
All of these complex formulas are meant to compensate them for any "unproductive" time (meaning time that the flight pay clock isn't ticking because of actual flying).
Sep 30, 2014, 5:52 am
#35
Join Date: Mar 2013
Programs: AA ExPlt, UA Gold, HH Diamond
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https://www.apfa.org/images/contract/ODCG-121713.pdf
The Ground Time and Holding Time provisions are found on Page 2. The "Duty Rigs" and "Trip Rigs" are found on page 4.
Oct 23, 2014, 11:38 am
#37
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Chula Vista, CA
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Okay, so what's so great about this industry leading contract? There is a lot of fine print in the 300 pages of the T/A that APFA doesn't mention that is not so great.
Maybe the vote will be swayed by all the new-hires or the USAir f/a's.
Oct 23, 2014, 11:44 am
#38
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Oct 24, 2014, 11:53 am
#39
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: SAN
Programs: A3 Blue, SPG
Posts: 78
No pension.
A normal month for an AA FA is 75 hours. So at $58.50, that's $52,650 annually, plus other bennies like health contribution, pension, etc. So while they may not be making a six figure salary, they're far from impoverished.
I always wondered about the pay only when the doors are closed thing. How do they get away with requiring FAs to report for work an hour before departure, plus extra time for delays, but not pay them. Isn't this covered by labor laws?
I always wondered about the pay only when the doors are closed thing. How do they get away with requiring FAs to report for work an hour before departure, plus extra time for delays, but not pay them. Isn't this covered by labor laws?
Oct 24, 2014, 12:04 pm
#40
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: SAN
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Hours worked?
They don't get paid for all that stressful boarding time. Boarding is the worst part of a flight. People are nuts, and boarding is a freebie. Only when delayed more than 30 minutes, is when they get paid "something".
In this elitist, capitalistic world we live in, the middle class is shrinking. Who are we to judge what someone else should be making?