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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Feb 16, 2014, 11:58 pm
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It'll be a win for any caterer that only cater one or the other now. For stations qgwew both are now catered, it will depend on whether one or two caterers do AA and US now - if one it will win, if two one will lose and the other win.

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How many of you on the AA side will start using another airline if the meal availability is decreased?
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 7:52 am
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How many of you on the AA side will start using another airline if the meal availability is decreased?
I tend to fly lowest fare F/most convenient routing the exception being JFK-LAX pricing being ridiculous. Frankly there aren't many places to go. Ex-NYC VX has limited flying, UA is a mess and B6/WN are good back-ups if the discounted F fares are outrageous. I'm not current on DL's meal policy but I believe it is far less generous than AA. In fact, US used to be my main discount F alternative to AA where I could accumulate miles I could use.
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by NauticalWheeler
As someone else pointed out, I can likely get a much better meal at the airport for $25 (or less) per person.
...provided they 1) have the extra time and 2) wish to part with the extra $$.
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 11:43 am
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The first of many "enhancements" coming our way.
Perfectly summed up!
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by gpf590
How many of you on the AA side will start using another airline if the meal availability is decreased?
I wouldn't start using another airline, but I wouldn't bother buying stickers (so some loss of revenue for AA).
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I wouldn't start using another airline, but I wouldn't bother buying stickers (so some loss of revenue for AA).
US doesn't use stickers -- will be interesting how things are synced.
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A few thoughts...

If AA/US were really planning to downgrade the new AA service standards to 800/900mi or 1000nm, why not start in April for the AA side? The fact that the AA side of meal operations are staying exactly the same after April 1 (with the exception of Biz service changes) says a lot. If AA/US were planning to downgrade, they may as well reduce AA windows as well. It would be a rude awakening to AA customers in September to suddenly see 600+mi flights with meals/snacks abruptly lose meal service. Maybe the endgame is to lower the US thresholds a bit, then get catering provisions ready to match that of AA's current meal windows by September, and then align old US windows to current AA windows?

Another possibility: align both carriers to 800/900mi to match DL/UA. Makes sense as well, but why change what's working now? AA has one of the best meal service windows, differentiating themselves from the competition. They have done this for many years; why stop now? Maybe there's not that much paid F on shorter hops, but AA has made their F product unique by offering more generous windows. If this works, why change? AA can even market their shorter hops as having more meals than the competition, rather than just matching UA/DL and making their product boring. AA has spent the last few years investing in a more premium product, and it'd be sad to see it all go to a waste now.

Also, another thought: maybe the new expedited service for JFK-MAN/DUB/LHR was meant to be in Economy? The announcement did not say explicitly it was for Biz/F, but did make it clear that there would be a more streamlined Biz service for all eastbound flights to Europe, but specifically for JFK-MAN/DUB/LHR, did not mention class of service.

Originally Posted by Cloud1Heavy
For the international operation at American, on April 1 a new expedited meal service will be introduced on
JFK to London/Manchester and Dublin as the only option available. This simpler shorter service was designed to align our offerings with our partner, British Airways.
Nowhere in that quote does it say Business or First. Following that quote, the new streamlined service does mention Business. So, they could mean Economy for all we know.

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Old Feb 17, 2014, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by elitetraveler
US doesn't use stickers -- will be interesting how things are synced.
I'm new to AA - the whole stickers thing still mystifies me.... and seems a bit low-tech(?).
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Makes sense as well, but why change what's working now? AA has one of the best meal service windows, differentiating themselves from the competition. They have done this for many years; why stop now? Maybe there's not that much paid F on shorter hops, but AA has made their F product unique by offering more generous windows. If this works, why change? AA can even market their shorter hops as having more meals than the competition, rather than just matching UA/DL and making their product boring. AA has spent the last few years investing in a more premium product, and it'd be sad to see it all go to a waste now.
One possible reason: complexity. AA's service is excellent, but the intricacy of the rules is a little baffling -- meal threshold is 2h but only in semiunpublished meal windows, unless it's a high value route, and otherwise there may be a "snack" service, which is almost exactly like a meal, but the window is 2.5h instead of 2h and...yeah.

One thing that I think is very different about Parker and the folks who've come over from US is that they tend to value simplicity -- clear, easy to follow rules. Even if the quality of AA's offering is maintained, I could easily see the rules simplified. I wouldn't mind a move to UA/DL windows (or something slightly more generous) if the product was better.

I also think AA has room for improvement on flights that don't get a meal or "snack" -- and there are more of those flights on the pmUS side.
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 4:43 pm
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Originally Posted by gsupstate
I'm new to AA - the whole stickers thing still mystifies me.... and seems a bit low-tech(?).
We call them "stickers" because they used to be stickers affixed to your boarding pass, but they've been electronic for about 15 years now.

"electronic upgrade credits" (or whatever their official name is now) is a mouthful when "stickers" says the same thing.
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 4:56 pm
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I have seldom read a more negative bunch of scaremongering posts as on this page. How can an improvement in catering on US flights to bring them up to AA standards (which is pretty high for a US domestic airline) be interpreted as the start of a reduction of such catering overall? ...
The thing is, this change to 1100nm flights does not "bring them up to AA standards".

What it does do is bring the 3½ hour standard about ¾ hour (~½ way) closer to AA's current standard (2-2½ window).

It leaves plenty of room for speculation that come September, AA's standard would be pushed out ¾ hour to be aligned with this new "1100nm" standard of US.
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Perhaps part of the wait for further alignment until September is that most of the increase in catering will occur at PHX, CLT and PHL, all places US dominates. In fact in PHX where WN and US dominate there must be fairly limited additional catering capacity. Maybe the same situation at CLT.

I can imagine there is a bid process, time to assess the bids and then the winner of the bids would need time to ramp up additional facilities. No idea how long a window there is to order commercial kitchen equipment but I would think including that there is probably a buildout period for expanded kitchens once space is secured, health inspections and all types of bureaucracy that a six month window is fairly quick to order up lots more catering.

That said, AA could have alleviated any questions by stating in Sept US catering would be brought to current AA standards. Perhaps that is TBD based on costs of bids, etc.
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 7:52 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Also, another thought: maybe the new expedited service for JFK-MAN/DUB/LHR was meant to be in Economy? The announcement did not say explicitly it was for Biz/F, but did make it clear that there would be a more streamlined Biz service for all eastbound flights to Europe, but specifically for JFK-MAN/DUB/LHR, did not mention class of service.



Nowhere in that quote does it say Business or First. Following that quote, the new streamlined service does mention Business. So, they could mean Economy for all we know.
They definitely meant J. This will bring it in line with BA. The current meals provided aren't in line with what most business travelers want: either to eat in the lounge and sleep or eat quickly and sleep. The current AA set up doesn't allow that.

I think the distinction between LHR/MAN and DUB and the rest of Europe is length. LHR/MAN/DUB are 6 hours or less most of the time. The rest of Europe is a bit more and people are more willing to spend some of the flight eating. Furthermore, unlike BA and to a lesser extent VS, none of the other airlines flying eastbound TATL from the east coast emphasize pre-flight dining.

I for one am very excited about this change. I am curious though as to whether pre-flight dining will be offered a la BA. I am EXP so I get FL access but mere J passengers need something more substantive than the current offering if its going to become a truly BA-like "sleeper service."
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Old Feb 17, 2014, 8:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Cloud1Heavy
Additionally, on April 1, we will introduce a new streamlined meal presentation in business class on all eastbound markets to Europe.
Details will follow in a separate and more comprehensive communication.


This part worries me the most. I think we might be seeing the end of the special enhanced 2-class Business Class service currently offered on 763 and 75L equipment on IFS routes. (such as plated-on-board entrees, dessert 3-tiered trolley instead of service cart, etc.)

I suspect the reason and timing are because of the 772 conversions to 2-class. Those J cabins will be HUGE, so the meal service will take hours if the FAs have to plate entrees on board and hand-run to so many pax.

They made one concession: the made-to-order REAL sundaes are now available in J regardless of equipment type. But still, it is disappointing to think that the service will not be enhanced if there is no F cabin on the flight, and thus no need to differentiate.
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