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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Apr 8, 2014, 9:45 pm
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I have seldom read a more negative bunch of scaremongering posts as on this page. How can an improvement in catering on US flights to bring them up to AA standards (which is pretty high for a US domestic airline) be interpreted as the start of a reduction of such catering overall? ...
The thing is, this change to 1100nm flights does not "bring them up to AA standards".

What it does do is bring the 3½ hour standard about ¾ hour (~½ way) closer to AA's current standard (2-2½ window).

It leaves plenty of room for speculation that come September, AA's standard would be pushed out ¾ hour to be aligned with this new "1100nm" standard of US.
There is still allowance for maybe US to move further to AA's, but I suspect not. I am thinking will be AA moving out - of course this is pure speculation.
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Originally Posted by LSUTigerWes
Why did US Airways move to 1000 NM April first? That isn't much different from 900 NM...
I'd bet a small amount that someone looked at the route map, counted the meals that would be served at 1000 mi vs 900 mi and saw enough savings from using 1000 mi to make it worthwhile. Pure flying time - takeoff to touchdown - it's about a 15 minute difference, ironically the same difference as 2:30 to 2:45.

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Has anyone seen the "finger sandwiches" yet?
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Originally Posted by Cloud1Heavy
Has anyone seen the "finger sandwiches" yet?
Yes, I will try and take a photo on my flight this evening. They are not impressive.
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Originally Posted by Cloud1Heavy
Has anyone seen the "finger sandwiches" yet?
In light of all the recent hostility to AA changes on many areas, Should that be the "finger " sandwiches or "the finger" sandwiches....
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Meals changes US & AA announced - international and domestic

are the US meals actually improved? Or do they just use fancier place settings now?

not that they were terrible, but there's always room for improvement
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CLT to DFW "Trip Report" on US Airways

US 2097 on 4/10/2013
CLT-DFW (937 miles)

Scheduled Departure: 6:15 PM
Actual Departure: 7:28 PM
Scheduled Arrival: 8:04 PM
Actual Arrival: 9:04 PM
Scheduled Duration: 2h 51m
Actual Duration: 2h 36m

Seat: 4D (First Class)


The plane arrived late from MIA due to a maintenance issue. As we took our seats in First, the flight attendant did not take coats or offer PDBs. After boarding was complete, the pilot welcomed the cabin over the PA and said they were running "a few minutes late" (yeah...ok ) due to a "maintenance issue."

The flight attendant announced to those in the F cabin she did not offer drinks to expedite boarding, but would be happy to get us drinks in air. The upside of leaving late was much less taxing time than usual, as the flight usually seems to be the last in the bank to leave, resulting in approximately 20-25 minutes of time on the ground at CLT. We were in the air within about 5-10 minutes of departing the gate.

Once we heard the ding indicating we had passed 10,000 ft, one of the other flight attendants came to the front to chat with the FA in First. There was 3 or 4 people who came from the main cabin to use the forward lavatory before the FA finally made an announcement reminding passengers there was 3 lavatories in the Main Cabin.

The flight attendant came around and took drinks orders from everyone. I ordered wine, but she served who ordered mixed drinks the cans and mini bottles unmixed (a pet peeve of mine), although the drinks were now served in a glass, rather than a plastic cup.

She then came around with the regular snack basket (the current usual assortment). After, she made a second pass with the "Lite Bites" snack basket. The lunch/dinner basket has prepackaged sandwiches, bananas, apples, and more chips.

The sandwiches choices are a "Hawaiian Square" (turkey, cheddar, and honey mustard) and "Rosemary Square" (arugula, pesto, and roasted tomato). The Rosemary Square is pretty good.



My First Class meal consisted of one of each of the prepackaged sandwishes, a bag of chips, and Milano cookies for dessert.

For comparison, below is a typical First Class meal served on the same route by AA. The last time I flew on AA in First a couple of months ago, I had the cornmeal crusted chicken with corn maque choux (the corn was delicious and well seasoned, which surprised me for an airline meal).



The shorter taxi time allowed us to make up some of the time, sp we arrived at DFW an hour late. At least it was better than last week, when we arrived in DFW at 11:30 (over 3 hours late).

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Offered the choice between a ravioli dish or the beef teriyaki.



Was also given a tiramisu for dessert.



Not a bad meal, though the beef teriyaki dish on AA is much better, IMO.



Originally Posted by Cloud1Heavy
Has anyone seen the "finger sandwiches" yet?
We had the snack basket, complete with finger sandwiches, on PHX-YVR two nights ago. I did not try them, but my seatmate did, and seemed to be pleased with them.
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Originally Posted by LSUTigerWes

The sandwiches choices are a "Hawaiian Square" (turkey, cheddar, and honey mustard) and "Rosemary Square" (arugula, pesto, and roasted tomato). The Rosemary Square is pretty good.
The Rosemary Square sounds like a salad sandwich- not very filling.
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LMFAO!!!!------What a complete ******* joke and embarrassment.

Cheers,
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Originally Posted by LSUTigerWes
US 2097 on 4/10/2013
CLT-DFW

Scheduled Departure: 6:15 PM
Actual Departure: 7:28 PM
Scheduled Arrival: 8:04 PM
Actual Arrival: 9:04 PM

Seat: 4D (First Class)


The plane arrived late from MIA due to a maintenance issue. As we took our seats in First, the flight attendant did not take coats or offer PDBs. After boarding was complete, the pilot welcomed the cabin over the PA and said they were running "a few minutes late" (yeah...ok ) due to a "maintenance issue."

The flight attendant announced to those in the F cabin she did not offer drinks to expedite boarding, but would be happy to get us drinks in air. The upside of leaving late was much less taxing time than usual, as the flight usually seems to be the last in the bank to leave, resulting in approximately 20-25 minutes of time on the ground at CLT. We were in the air within about 5-10 minutes of departing the gate.

Once we heard the ding indicating we had passed 10,000 ft, one of the other flight attendants came to the front to chat with the FA in First. There was 3 or 4 people who came from the main cabin to use the forward lavatory before the FA finally made an announcement reminding passengers there was 3 lavatories in the Main Cabin.

The flight attendant came around and took drinks orders from everyone. I ordered wine, but she served who ordered mixed drinks the cans and mini bottles unmixed (a pet peeve of mine), although the drinks were now served in a glass, rather than a plastic cup.

She then came around with the regular snack basket (the current usual assortment). After, she made a second pass with the "Lite Bites" snack basket. The lunch/dinner basket has prepackaged sandwiches, bananas, apples, and more chips.

The sandwiches choices are a "Hawaiian Square" (turkey, cheddar, and honey mustard) and "Rosemary Square" (arugula, pesto, and roasted tomato). The Rosemary Square is pretty good.



My First Class meal consisted of one of each of the prepackaged sandwishes, a bag of chips, and Milano cookies for dessert.

For comparison, below is a typical First Class meal served on the same route by AA. The last time I flew on AA in First a couple of months ago, I had the cornmeal crusted chicken with corn maque choux (the corn was delicious and well seasoned, which surprised me for an airline meal).



The shorter taxi time allowed us to make up some of the time, sp we arrived at DFW an hour late. At least it was better than last week, when we arrived in DFW at 11:30 (over 3 hours late).
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What's the Commuter FA policy? Do commuting FAs now get a different boarding priority than other NRSAs? They should not as they commute by choice. Any chance a commuting FA could now trump a revenue standby?
Not to worry... The commuter policy, for both FAs and pilots, doesn't deal with priority on the standby list. Rather, it is the disciplinary policy for commuting crewmembers who are not able to report for their trip on time due to commuting issues. I'm not sure about the FA policy, but for the pilots it applies not only to commutes by air, but also by car/train/bus/etc.
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FWIW, the current snack service AA offers on 'snack/brunch' flights is actually very similar to what US newly offers - a single plate (nothing else on the tray, so the plate looks a bit lonely) with a couple small wraps and dipping sauces, and a few crudities or fruit/cheese.

Put the US finger sandwiches along with snack basket items such as fruit/candy, and you'll actually get pretty much near to the same portions you do with AA. The difference just feels substantial because AA places their snacks on a plate on top of a linen-covered tray. AA used to treat their coded snack&brunch flights as a full lunch (sandwich/entree-sized salad/meat) but changed this in Autumn 2012.

Not saying the pictured US finger sandwiches look like gourmet snacks/meals, but just putting a different perspective out there. I included a quoted picture of AA's snack service as a comparison.

Originally Posted by dat4life

Originally Posted by AA777
LMFAO!!!!------What a complete ******* joke and embarrassment.

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Old Apr 12, 2014, 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
FWIW, the current snack service AA offers on 'snack/brunch' flights is actually very similar to what US newly offers - a single plate (nothing else on the tray, so the plate looks a bit lonely) with a couple small wraps and dipping sauces, and a few crudities or fruit/cheese.

Put the US finger sandwiches along with snack basket items such as fruit/candy, and you'll actually get pretty much near to the same portions you do with AA. The difference just feels substantial because AA places their snacks on a plate on top of a linen-covered tray. AA used to treat their coded snack&brunch flights as a full lunch (sandwich/entree-sized salad/meat) but changed this in Autumn 2012.

Not saying the pictured US finger sandwiches look like gourmet snacks/meals, but just putting a different perspective out there. I included a quoted picture of AA's snack service as a comparison.
How long was the flight the meal you posted served on? The flight I was on was 937 miles and booked at nearly 3 hours right at meal time.

Further, it is not merely about the amount of food. The presentation of it is also important. Peddling sandwiches packaged in plastic is not appropriate for first class.

Nothing about my experience was very "premium." If I had paid to sit there you can bet I would be livid.
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Old Apr 12, 2014, 3:00 pm
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Folks, an April 11th update:

- Remote gates at LAX is an issue.
- Base tours are ongoing, with this feedback from FAs: catering inconsistency, galley equipment issues, IFE inconsistency, and LAX catering problems.
- Focus on onboard recycling.
- Very short flight inflight service to be changed to US's current standard.
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That was on DFW-SFO, beyond dinner hours (>8pm).

Originally Posted by LSUTigerWes
How long was the flight the meal you posted served on? The flight I was on was 937 miles and booked at nearly 3 hours right at meal time.

Further, it is not merely about the amount of food. The presentation of it is also important. Peddling sandwiches packaged in plastic is not appropriate for first class.

Nothing about my experience was very "premium." If I had paid to sit there you can bet I would be livid.
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