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oneworld / AA Explorer award with AA Miles (discuss, questions) [ENDED 8 APR 2014]
N.B. new oneworld/AA Explorer awards are no longer available as of the end of the day on April 7th, 2014.
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Oneworld Explorer Awards Eliminated -- Effective Immediately [8 Apr 2014]
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oneworld / AA Explorer award with AA Miles (discuss, questions) [ENDED 8 APR 2014]
Mar 9, 2012, 2:31 pm
#271
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So far BA site does not seem to show many direct flights AY operates from HEL.
RJ and AB are not any better, though AB seems to show up more often than either AY or RJ.
Does anyone know other tool(s) for search purpose other than subscription to pay sites? which I believe pull their info from the BA's anyway - just that it is sort of one-stop "shopping" so the subscribers can see everything in one single place. But if BA does not work well, I can't imagine the pay sites would work for those partner airlines' award seats?
RJ and AB are not any better, though AB seems to show up more often than either AY or RJ.
Does anyone know other tool(s) for search purpose other than subscription to pay sites? which I believe pull their info from the BA's anyway - just that it is sort of one-stop "shopping" so the subscribers can see everything in one single place. But if BA does not work well, I can't imagine the pay sites would work for those partner airlines' award seats?
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes
AY is currently covered by 2 Engines, but only the BA Engine supports RJ & AB (at least until AB joins OneWorld later on this month).
S7 is experiencing system connectivity issues with its partners and S7 Award Availability is currently not accessible via any Tool, service or website: http://Help.KVSTool.com/#S7
Mar 9, 2012, 3:53 pm
#272
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Does anyone know other tool(s) for search purpose other than subscription to pay sites? which I believe pull their info from the BA's anyway - just that it is sort of one-stop "shopping" so the subscribers can see everything in one single place. But if BA does not work well, I can't imagine the pay sites would work for those partner airlines' award seats?
Mar 9, 2012, 8:48 pm
#273
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to what extent can open jaws be used to make a oneworld award almost effectively a one-way? For example, is this below a legal oneworld award?
CLT - MIA - LIM (Stop) - MDZ (Stop) - EZE (STOP) // Open Jaw // YVR - JFK/LGA - CLT [uses LAN & Cathay]
I am looking into making an around the world trip using a oneworld award and a combination of ANA award bookings [which allow 4 stopovers]
Therefore the Open Jaw above, hypothetically (and very aspirationally), would have in it booked by ANA award ticket:
ANA Ticket A: EZE - JNB (Stop) - ZRH - GVA (Stop) - FRA - LED (Stop) - IST - BKK (Stop) // Open Jaw // ASU - EZE [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away ASU-EZE]
ANA Ticket B: BKK - MEL (Stop) - AKL - NOU (Stop) - AKL (Stop) - AKL - LAX - YVR // Open Jaw // PEN - BKK [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away PEN - BKK]
To summarize (if my proposed one-world routing above is allowed), the three tickets would be three open-jaw award tickets starting in CLT and joined at EZE, BKK, and YVR and finally stopping at CLT :
CLT - EZE - BKK - YVR - CLT
CLT - MIA - LIM (Stop) - MDZ (Stop) - EZE (STOP) // Open Jaw // YVR - JFK/LGA - CLT [uses LAN & Cathay]
I am looking into making an around the world trip using a oneworld award and a combination of ANA award bookings [which allow 4 stopovers]
Therefore the Open Jaw above, hypothetically (and very aspirationally), would have in it booked by ANA award ticket:
ANA Ticket A: EZE - JNB (Stop) - ZRH - GVA (Stop) - FRA - LED (Stop) - IST - BKK (Stop) // Open Jaw // ASU - EZE [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away ASU-EZE]
ANA Ticket B: BKK - MEL (Stop) - AKL - NOU (Stop) - AKL (Stop) - AKL - LAX - YVR // Open Jaw // PEN - BKK [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away PEN - BKK]
To summarize (if my proposed one-world routing above is allowed), the three tickets would be three open-jaw award tickets starting in CLT and joined at EZE, BKK, and YVR and finally stopping at CLT :
CLT - EZE - BKK - YVR - CLT
Mar 9, 2012, 9:00 pm
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Yep, that's a perfectly valid oneworld award. 60k/80k/100k for Y/J/F.
Mar 9, 2012, 10:24 pm
#275
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As noted by BrewerSEA, your proposed oneworld award itinerary is fine.
With respect to your proposed ANA redemptions, you might want to price the one originating in South America with an origination from Brazil, rather than Argentina. I believe that Brazilian law prohibits airlines from assessing fuel surcharges on tickets -- even award tickets -- for travel originating from Brazil.
Originally Posted by beofotch
to what extent can open jaws be used to make a oneworld award almost effectively a one-way? For example, is this below a legal oneworld award?
CLT - MIA - LIM (Stop) - MDZ (Stop) - EZE (STOP) // Open Jaw // YVR - JFK/LGA - CLT [uses LAN & Cathay]
I am looking into making an around the world trip using a oneworld award and a combination of ANA award bookings [which allow 4 stopovers]
Therefore the Open Jaw above, hypothetically (and very aspirationally), would have in it booked by ANA award ticket:
ANA Ticket A: EZE - JNB (Stop) - ZRH - GVA (Stop) - FRA - LED (Stop) - IST - BKK (Stop) // Open Jaw // ASU - EZE [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away ASU-EZE]
ANA Ticket B: BKK - MEL (Stop) - AKL - NOU (Stop) - AKL (Stop) - AKL - LAX - YVR // Open Jaw // PEN - BKK [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away PEN - BKK]
To summarize (if my proposed one-world routing above is allowed), the three tickets would be three open-jaw award tickets starting in CLT and joined at EZE, BKK, and YVR and finally stopping at CLT :
CLT - EZE - BKK - YVR - CLT
CLT - MIA - LIM (Stop) - MDZ (Stop) - EZE (STOP) // Open Jaw // YVR - JFK/LGA - CLT [uses LAN & Cathay]
I am looking into making an around the world trip using a oneworld award and a combination of ANA award bookings [which allow 4 stopovers]
Therefore the Open Jaw above, hypothetically (and very aspirationally), would have in it booked by ANA award ticket:
ANA Ticket A: EZE - JNB (Stop) - ZRH - GVA (Stop) - FRA - LED (Stop) - IST - BKK (Stop) // Open Jaw // ASU - EZE [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away ASU-EZE]
ANA Ticket B: BKK - MEL (Stop) - AKL - NOU (Stop) - AKL (Stop) - AKL - LAX - YVR // Open Jaw // PEN - BKK [effectively this is a big open jaw by adding a throw-away PEN - BKK]
To summarize (if my proposed one-world routing above is allowed), the three tickets would be three open-jaw award tickets starting in CLT and joined at EZE, BKK, and YVR and finally stopping at CLT :
CLT - EZE - BKK - YVR - CLT
With respect to your proposed ANA redemptions, you might want to price the one originating in South America with an origination from Brazil, rather than Argentina. I believe that Brazilian law prohibits airlines from assessing fuel surcharges on tickets -- even award tickets -- for travel originating from Brazil.
Mar 10, 2012, 6:56 am
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Thanks for the responses. Also, would this open jaw be allowed for an AA ?
CLT - LGA/JFK - ZRH (STOP) - HEL - LED (STOP) - DME (STOP) // Open-Jaw // NOU - SYD (STOP) - EZE (STOP) - LIM (STOP) - MIA - CLT (Destination).
Am I allowed to have such a large open jaw in the middle of the trip?
CLT - LGA/JFK - ZRH (STOP) - HEL - LED (STOP) - DME (STOP) // Open-Jaw // NOU - SYD (STOP) - EZE (STOP) - LIM (STOP) - MIA - CLT (Destination).
Am I allowed to have such a large open jaw in the middle of the trip?
Mar 10, 2012, 8:59 am
#277
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Thanks for the responses. Also, would this open jaw be allowed for an AA ?
CLT - LGA/JFK - ZRH (STOP) - HEL - LED (STOP) - DME (STOP) // Open-Jaw // NOU - SYD (STOP) - EZE (STOP) - LIM (STOP) - MIA - CLT (Destination).
Am I allowed to have such a large open jaw in the middle of the trip?
CLT - LGA/JFK - ZRH (STOP) - HEL - LED (STOP) - DME (STOP) // Open-Jaw // NOU - SYD (STOP) - EZE (STOP) - LIM (STOP) - MIA - CLT (Destination).
Am I allowed to have such a large open jaw in the middle of the trip?
Mar 11, 2012, 8:28 pm
#278
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Valid Open Jaw / Co-terminals question
I've read this entire thread, and done some searches, and don't seem to find anything directly on point, so....
1) Here is a OW award routing that I think has a valid open jaw:
LAX - SFO - HKG (stop) -SYD (stop) //Open-Jaw// HKG - HND (stop) - LAX
Travel from SYD to HKG will be on a separate PNR, revenue ticket. According to what I've read, the open jaw departure city (HKG) does not count as either a stopover or a connection, so this routing should not get invalidated due to more than one stopover in HKG, right?
2) Here is another similar OW routing which appears to be valid, with one possible exception due to the "next flight out" rule:
LAX - SFO - HKG(stop) - SYD(stop)- HKG - HND(stop) - LAX
The flight from SYD to HKG lands at 5:50pm, and the next flight out to HND (searching ALL OW carriers) takes off at 8:30 AM the next day, which breaks the "6 hour rule", but is within 24 hours. However, there is a 1:05 AM flight from HKG to NRT. Since HND and NRT are designated as co-terminals for OW award purposes, would I have to take the 1:05AM flight to NRT even though I want to land at HND?
Again, trying to avoid the double stopover in HKG.
Thanks in advance for any help you can throw my way on this.
1) Here is a OW award routing that I think has a valid open jaw:
LAX - SFO - HKG (stop) -SYD (stop) //Open-Jaw// HKG - HND (stop) - LAX
Travel from SYD to HKG will be on a separate PNR, revenue ticket. According to what I've read, the open jaw departure city (HKG) does not count as either a stopover or a connection, so this routing should not get invalidated due to more than one stopover in HKG, right?
2) Here is another similar OW routing which appears to be valid, with one possible exception due to the "next flight out" rule:
LAX - SFO - HKG(stop) - SYD(stop)- HKG - HND(stop) - LAX
The flight from SYD to HKG lands at 5:50pm, and the next flight out to HND (searching ALL OW carriers) takes off at 8:30 AM the next day, which breaks the "6 hour rule", but is within 24 hours. However, there is a 1:05 AM flight from HKG to NRT. Since HND and NRT are designated as co-terminals for OW award purposes, would I have to take the 1:05AM flight to NRT even though I want to land at HND?
Again, trying to avoid the double stopover in HKG.Thanks in advance for any help you can throw my way on this.
Mar 12, 2012, 8:47 am
#279
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Still waiting for protection ...
FYI ... A supervisor at American called me this morning to let me know that the AA Liaison Desk has still not finalized protection and she will call me back when she does. I will let anybody else in the same situation (on Iberia cancelled flights) know the outcome as soon as I do.
Also, if anybody else receives protection, let us know how and if they incurred any extra charges or whatnot.
Thanks.
Also, if anybody else receives protection, let us know how and if they incurred any extra charges or whatnot.
Thanks.
Mar 13, 2012, 9:10 am
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Update
I spoke with the supervisor handling my case and she told me that American Airlines has come to an agreement for the dates between May 16th and 19th (my flight is on the 31st). So I am waiting for American Airlines to come to an agreement for the latter dates.
She did tell me that passengers between the 16th and 19th were booked on the same class of service (which would be 1st class in my ticket) without incurring the extra BA surcharges and taxes (so I hope the same is true of my ticket); she also told me that the extra segment and miles will not matter for my around-the-world ticket.
She did tell me that passengers between the 16th and 19th were booked on the same class of service (which would be 1st class in my ticket) without incurring the extra BA surcharges and taxes (so I hope the same is true of my ticket); she also told me that the extra segment and miles will not matter for my around-the-world ticket.
Mar 13, 2012, 9:29 am
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I spoke with the supervisor handling my case and she told me that American Airlines has come to an agreement for the dates between May 16th and 19th (my flight is on the 31st). So I am waiting for American Airlines to come to an agreement for the latter dates.
She did tell me that passengers between the 16th and 19th were booked on the same class of service (which would be 1st class in my ticket) without incurring the extra BA surcharges and taxes (so I hope the same is true of my ticket); she also told me that the extra segment and miles will not matter for my around-the-world ticket.
She did tell me that passengers between the 16th and 19th were booked on the same class of service (which would be 1st class in my ticket) without incurring the extra BA surcharges and taxes (so I hope the same is true of my ticket); she also told me that the extra segment and miles will not matter for my around-the-world ticket.
Mar 13, 2012, 9:33 am
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1st Class/Business Class
Agreed it is uncertain. However, since Iberia only operated Business/Coach on JNB-MAD nobody would have been put in 1st Class. But I am pretty sure she told me that people were placed in whatever their original award was.
However, if the final solution is that I fly Business Class JNB-LHR and Business Class LHR-MAD without paying any additional surcharges or taxes, I can live with that. Or in other words, I would rather have Business Class without surcharges then First Class with surcharges.
How does BA's Business Class compare with Iberia's Business Class for long haul?
However, if the final solution is that I fly Business Class JNB-LHR and Business Class LHR-MAD without paying any additional surcharges or taxes, I can live with that. Or in other words, I would rather have Business Class without surcharges then First Class with surcharges.
How does BA's Business Class compare with Iberia's Business Class for long haul?
Mar 13, 2012, 1:13 pm
#283
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IMO, better. Check the BAEC Forum for seating recommendations. Most of us like the SUD (stretched upper deck0 if it's a 747, and there are very decent solo seats both in the main fuselage deck and SUD.
Agreed it is uncertain. However, since Iberia only operated Business/Coach on JNB-MAD nobody would have been put in 1st Class. But I am pretty sure she told me that people were placed in whatever their original award was.
However, if the final solution is that I fly Business Class JNB-LHR and Business Class LHR-MAD without paying any additional surcharges or taxes, I can live with that. Or in other words, I would rather have Business Class without surcharges then First Class with surcharges.
How does BA's Business Class compare with Iberia's Business Class for long haul?
However, if the final solution is that I fly Business Class JNB-LHR and Business Class LHR-MAD without paying any additional surcharges or taxes, I can live with that. Or in other words, I would rather have Business Class without surcharges then First Class with surcharges.
How does BA's Business Class compare with Iberia's Business Class for long haul?
Mar 13, 2012, 2:34 pm
#284
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Codeshare
I am now seeing JNB-LHR showing up as an American Airlines codeshared flight AA6446 on Expert Flyer. Does that mean that AA has arranged for protection for these dates (since neither city is a U.S. City)?
I am still relatively new so I might be confusing concepts here. Thanks.
I am still relatively new so I might be confusing concepts here. Thanks.
Mar 14, 2012, 7:19 am
#285
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I am just off the phone (a more than 1 hour conversation) with AA - who have "reprotected" me on BA in coach (despite the fact that I am on a J award ticket) AND will charge me the additional BA taxes and surcharges! Now really confused as to what to do. Worst part is that the section already flown amounts to just over 26k so even if I opted to forgo the remainder of the ticket JNB-MAD-SJO-MIA/HEL-MAD-JNB-CPT all I would get back is 30,000 miles! Not happy with OW right now!