It is against the rules that each and everyone of us agreed to in order to participate in the program. If you don't like the rules then don't participate. They will still let you fly if you are not a member of the ffp. If you want the benefits, follow the rules. The miles are NOT YOURS! You do NOT own them in any way, shape or fassion. Get over it. They belong to the airlines and they are theirs to do with as they please, including but not limited to, cancelling, deleting, reducing, closing, etc...
Well, not each and everyone that's an AAdvantage member has agreed to the rules. Even more have never read the rules. Of course ignorance of the rules is no defence in this case.
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This indeed is true. However, I do fly about 45k to 60k of paid fare per year, and AA won all of that. Since the GOLD comp a few months ago, I have indeed flown the 25k EQMs
First of all, I will comment on "the website." I indeed did once engage in the sale of UA vouchers, and UA vouchers ONLY though that website.
My infraction with AA really is limited to a couple that I just threw on eBay one day... I never had any type of source for obtaining mass amounts of AA upgrades. Whenever I fly AA (which is now my airline of choice), I either upgrade with miles, 500-mile stickers, or just fly Y. I have never used an illegitimate or purchased upgrade on AA.
Further, "that website" no longer engages in the sale or trade of any vouchers whatsoever; it stays up right now to assist travelers on a no-charge basis. Indeed there is the "VIP" page which charges $30/month, but that was an absolute flop and has no paying customers -- of course, why would I expect anyone to pay when I advise any questions anyone asks me for free.
Essentially right now, I had a few AA vouchers I was not going to use, and I threw them up on eBay amongst many others one day -- that does represent my total offense to AA.
Finally, one of you guys quoted the VIP forum saying that we know "EVERYTHING" about the airline industry... thanks for pointing that out, I will be fixing that now, don't know why I ever wrote that...
Have you considered the possibility that all of this disclosure on here will dig you further into the ditch than you already have?
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Mind you, the OP has a website offering services as a "personal assistant" for a monthly fee. How much trust and personal information would I put in someone's hands when I know the individual violates contractual agreements and apparently pirates information that is protected by copyright to make a living from it? How likely would I be to buy an upgrade, etc. when I know perfectly well the airline could reasonably and rightfully intercept me at the ticket counter and demand the voucher / instrument - and require I pay full walk-up fare for my fraudulently acquired seat or forfeit my ticket?
Not bloody likely! How would I expect, if I ran my business on similar principles, that any client would maintain any loyalty to me or my products, much less trust me? I think the OP's karma just ran over his dogma - at least twice. Full stop.
(Stated as views of an individual member of the FlyerTalk community.)
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First of all, I will comment on "the website." I indeed did once engage in the sale of UA vouchers, and UA vouchers ONLY though that website.
My infraction with AA really is limited to a couple that I just threw on eBay one day... I never had any type of source for obtaining mass amounts of AA upgrades. Whenever I fly AA (which is now my airline of choice), I either upgrade with miles, 500-mile stickers, or just fly Y. I have never used an illegitimate or purchased upgrade on AA.
Further, "that website" no longer engages in the sale or trade of any vouchers whatsoever; it stays up right now to assist travelers on a no-charge basis. Indeed there is the "VIP" page which charges $30/month, but that was an absolute flop and has no paying customers -- of course, why would I expect anyone to pay when I advise any questions anyone asks me for free.
Essentially right now, I had a few AA vouchers I was not going to use, and I threw them up on eBay amongst many others one day -- that does represent my total offense to AA.
Finally, one of you guys quoted the VIP forum saying that we know "EVERYTHING" about the airline industry... thanks for pointing that out, I will be fixing that now, don't know why I ever wrote that...
Your website is full of fraudulent and laughable content and would need to be taken down in order to keep the owner from being subject to a lawsuit on one end and a laughing stock on the other.
I am glad that you are starting to see the err of your ways and I hope you do. I am afraid however, that the problem might be more deep rooted. I hope you are not just fixing things that are point out.
There is zero reason to believe that ebay gave up the info in this case-- zero.
As others have pointed out, this kid has gone out of his way to hang himself-- he has a WEBSITE for this purpose.
Again, stop blaming ebay's privacy, etc. policy-- has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
TM, IK.
As for those who might like to occasionally barter or whatever-- cases like this make that FAR MORE difficult and should be punished in the most severe way possible lest we end up with "use miles for account holder's name only" type restriction.
Ebay wouldn't need to get involved at all. All you'd need to do is purchase something off the seller and you can pull up their contact information right away. It's pretty plausible that AA, UA and others just have someone pretend to buy something and use that to pull the user information.
Well, not each and everyone that's an AAdvantage member has agreed to the rules. Even more have never read the rules. Of course ignorance of the rules is no defence in this case.
Whether you read them or not, by accepting membership you agree to them.
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OK, OK, so I was wrong.
But selling vouchers is slightly different to shooting someone.
BUT BEFORE YOU CAN SAY I AM DEFENDING HIM, IT IS AGAINST THE T&C OF THE VOUCHERS AS THEIR RESALE VALUE IS VIRTUALLY NIL. I KNOW THAT, but at the end of the day, shooting someone is different to petty things like selling a few vouchers on ebay. I now know however that it is more than a few vouchers, so it is not really petty.
I still say though, if there is an opportunity (for things like a few bucks for a voucher u aren't going to use/free upgrade etc) people will take it. It's not an excuse but it is a reason/
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"If the opportunity is there, people normally take it" I'll remember that the next time someone cuts me off in traffic, and I have my gun and he/she is an easy target. I wonder what that excuse would get me?
This could not have been a well thought out post. C'mon, that is like saying I understand why the employee took the money from the safe, it was there and no one was watching so I had an opportunity and took it.
The nerve of some people to take this attitude about things.
My infraction with AA really is limited to a couple that I just threw on eBay one day... I never had any type of source for obtaining mass amounts of AA upgrades. Whenever I fly AA (which is now my airline of choice), I either upgrade with miles, 500-mile stickers, or just fly Y. I have never used an illegitimate or purchased upgrade on AA.
Requirements for coupon connection might need to be increased:
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Actually, that makes sense.
AA: Buy voucher
AA: Block account
Customer: phones AA told to get voucher back
AA sell voucher back to customer for a profit
customer gives voucher from AA back to AA...
AA make a profit and end up with the voucher.
Everyone is happy.
Ok, so it wouldn't happen, but I bet it is possible and has happened with other companies.
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Ebay wouldn't need to get involved at all. All you'd need to do is purchase something off the seller and you can pull up their contact information right away. It's pretty plausible that AA, UA and others just have someone pretend to buy something and use that to pull the user information.
What? You mean if I do not read a contract, I will be held to its terms? Zounds! Next you will be telling me I can be stopped by the highway patrol / state troopers for speeding or violating traffic laws even if I haven't read the Motor Vehicle Code.
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Whether you read them or not, by accepting membership you agree to them.
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Mind you, the OP has a website offering services as a "personal assistant" for a monthly fee. How much trust and personal information would I put in someone's hands when I know the individual violates contractual agreements and apparently pirates information that is protected by copyright to make a living from it? How likely would I be to buy an upgrade, etc. when I know perfectly well the airline could reasonably and rightfully intercept me at the ticket counter and demand the voucher / instrument - and require I pay full walk-up fare for my fraudulently acquired seat or forfeit my ticket?
Not bloody likely! How would I expect, if I ran my business on similar principles, that any client would maintain any loyalty to me or my products, much less trust me? I think the OP's karma just ran over his dogma - at least twice. Full stop.
(Stated as views of an individual member of the FlyerTalk community.)
This is what I have hinted at. If someone starts a business with a mindset of how can I make the most profit no matter what it takes, then they are of the telemarketing, con artist nature IMHO. And anyone that does business on that premises should be shut down, paraded through the streets, put in stocks, have rotten fruit and vegetables thrown at them, locked up an have the key thrown away.
The OP needs to learn NOW at this very moment that the only good business is honest business. Spends some time learning before trying to sell knowledge stolen from other sources.
