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Old Jan 2, 07, 6:56 am   #16
 
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I hear that eBay will offer up any information about a buyer/seller if he/she is suspected of illegal activity -- though I don't think there is any "law" that restricts one from bartering airline perks...
Am I the only one who finds it very disturbing that ebay is giving away personal information just because someone violates some third company's T&C? Were not talking about breaking a law here, are we?
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Old Jan 2, 07, 7:01 am   #17
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Am I the only one who finds it very disturbing that ebay is giving away personal information just because someone violates some third company's T&C? Were not talking about breaking a law here, are we?
A lot of companies -- including ebay -- are data surrender monkeys. An examination of eBay's T&Cs would tell more, including data disclosure rights to parties other than those two parties engaged in the transaction. I'd guess that eBay is rather comfortable in disclosing what it discloses to whichever third parties it discloses material.

Also, there are ways for a third party to track down a party to an eBay transaction that don't even require eBay directly disclosing identifying information. A party engaged in the transaction can do that to themselves.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 7:29 am   #18
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If you going to sell stuff like this on ebay why not have your friend do it for you so if they do get the info from ebay it will be useless anyway.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 7:37 am   #19
 
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So, the new venture was to move from illegally selling United stuff to illegally selling American stuff. Why are you even posting this here???
Between "I am ready to start on a new venture to assist people like yourselves" (paraphrasing) and the OP trolling for ways around retribution for selling UA/AA vouchers, this whole thing seems pretty fishy.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 7:48 am   #20
 
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I think most program rules include prohibiting "bartering" as well as selling, so I don't think even the Coupon Connection site should be used. I'm surprised they allow us to even give stuff away.
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So, the new venture was to move from illegally selling United stuff to illegally selling American stuff. Why are you even posting this here???
Technically there's nothing illegal about it... But I guess you could say he's in frequent flyer jail.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 8:50 am   #22
 
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Am I the only one who finds it very disturbing that ebay is giving away personal information just because someone violates some third company's T&C? Were not talking about breaking a law here, are we?
HIs Ebay Username (according to the deleted wikipedia entry) was the_early_air_way. A simple google of that without the "_"s would yield the website which clearly states his full name and where he lives (or lived as it were). If the AAdvantage folks weren't that sharp, they could also just contact him and say "I have a question, blah blah" When he emailed back, AA would have his email address and maybe full name.

Also, this all assumes that he didn't link to his website from the auction for "advertising".
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Old Jan 2, 07, 8:59 am   #23
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Am I the only one who finds it very disturbing that ebay is giving away personal information just because someone violates some third company's T&C? Were not talking about breaking a law here, are we?
I'm not disturbed at all. A seller does not have a right to privacy on ebay, nor does a buyer. Read the agreement.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 9:00 am   #24
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If you going to sell stuff like this on ebay why not have your friend do it for you so if they do get the info from ebay it will be useless anyway.
Why would you help this guy be a habitual abuser?
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So you think AA would come down on someone *buying* his product, too?
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Why would you help this guy be a habitual abuser?
Does it really matter? Apparently NYU doesn't give lessons in how not to be a "repeat offender" and not get caught.

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So you think AA would come down on someone *buying* his product, too?
Perhaps, but I'd guess that buyers usually have less to lose than a seller when it comes to these kind of things. Also, it may be a bit easier to track down a seller than a buyer, particularly in this situation. (It's obviously not too difficult to track down both, since both buyer and sellers have been contacted by some airlines before.)
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Old Jan 2, 07, 9:17 am   #27
 
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Perhaps, but I'd guess that buyers usually have less to lose than a seller when it comes to these kind of things.
Well, they could wind up with a useless piece of paper that cost them several hundred dollars.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 9:26 am   #28
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Well, they could wind up with a useless piece of paper that cost them several hundred dollars.
In the situation mentioned by the OP, it seems like the person out the most will be the seller. The buyer could wind up with a useless piece of paper that cost them money, but from the sound of the OP it seems like the seller is taking more of a hit than the buyers. Are buyers paying several hundred dollars for "domestic upgrade from a full-fare economy class ticket"? Sounds like thoughtlessness to me too.
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Old Jan 2, 07, 9:29 am   #29
 
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Are buyers paying several hundred dollars for "domestic upgrade from a full-fare economy class ticket"? Sounds like thoughtlessness to me too.
A shrewd seller going to eBay rather than, say, here to sell his upgrade because eBay has more buyers that are ignorant of the mechanics of airlines and, therefore, more likely to pay more money for transportation vouchers etc.? Sounds pretty reasonable to me (and well-thought-out by the seller!)
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