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Originally Posted by garimell
Thanks, Mr. Bean. Noticed that you are a Londoner; any guidance on how to get to Dublin and back either from London or preferably from Manchester? Aer Lingus's departure from OW's rather sad and unless I'm missing something, there just seems to be no OW routing between Dublin and England unless one goes to Chicago or Madrid or Budapest and back
A paid ticket is probably the easiest way (LON-DUB looks like only $65 o/w in Y). Just do a round trip paid ticket and pick up your trip where you left off.
If you really want to fly J, then I supposed you can try using BA miles (through the Chase CC offer, of course )
It is not an open jaw because the oneworld award ticket is not a round trip ticket, even if you do return to your origin. The easiest thing to do is a simplified comparison:
If you book JFK-LAX/LAX-IAD as a paid ticket, the two directions will often qualify each for a half round-trip fare, and treat IAD-JFK as an open jaw (the round-trip fare rule will say something like 'one open jaw permitted at either origin or destination', so JFK-LAX/SAN-JFK would work too).
In general A to B, and then B returning to C, will be "cheap" as long as C to A is the shortest leg of the triangle ABC. Likewise D to E, then F returning to D will be "cheap" so long as E to F is the shortest leg of the triangle DEF.
If you book JFK-LAX/LAX-IAD as a oneworld award, then it is just two segments. In fact, a oneworld award is a series of one-way trips between stopovers. In this case, it is a trip from JFK to IAD. There is no need to consider IAD-JFK--- it is not an open jaw, and it does not have to be the shortest leg of any triangle.
Notice, that means on the award you could just as easily go JFK-LAX/LAX-HKG as JFK-LAX/LAX-IAD. The former would never work as a paid ticket seeking a "round-trip" fare on the basis of having an open jaw, but it's allowable as a oneworld award.
So, going from Rome to Zurich on the oneworld award, via all those other places (Athens, Helsinki, Stockholm, Cairo), in the end is just the result of a bunch of one-ways. There is no Rome-Zurich-Rome "round-trip" being benchmarked against. Thus, ZRH-FCO is not an open jaw, and Bean is entitled to use that elsewhere in the trip.
Every oneworld award can have 16 total segments, and one open jaw amongst them that counts as a segment. Co-terminal changes also count as segments but not as open jaws.
OK, actually, this looks like it's not true anymore.
I just tried to ticket the following OW80C - all segments had availability on my dates:
The AAgent at the EXP Desk said this was not allowed due to two open jaws, and only one is allowed on this award. He initially through it was fine and said he was getting an error message. Then after conferring with another desk he said it was due to the two open jaws between LON-LIS and TXL-ZRH.
Now I need to think about how I want to tweak the routing, unless there is a way to override this "error."
Section Five of the first post in this thread indicates that originating in one city, and ending in a different city counts as an open jaw for oneworld purposes.
Section Five of the first post in this thread indicates that originating in one city, and ending in a different city counts as an open jaw for oneworld purposes.
if that's the case, then my apologies... the deletion would still work but would have to be the first or last segment, not an arbitrary segment.
Section Five of the first post in this thread indicates that originating in one city, and ending in a different city counts as an open jaw for oneworld purposes.
Correct. Our last OW award had different origin and destination and was counted as an open jaw.
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Originally Posted by martin33
if that's the case, then my apologies... the deletion would still work but would have to be the first or last segment, not an arbitrary segment.
Dont know about OP's mileage calculation - sometimes you can add a throw-away at the end to return to the origin but you would not actually fly it. If the reason of returning to different city is because of mileage restriction, then OP has to rework his itinerary.
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Also, is there any way to upgrade individual segments? Like on LHR-CAI, can I get an upgrade to F with more miles? Also for FRA-MAD (I think LAN has F on their A340, right?). Or would I have to actually do a OW100F?
Also, is there any way to upgrade individual segments? Like on LHR-CAI, can I get an upgrade to F with more miles? Also for FRA-MAD (I think LAN has F on their A340, right?). Or would I have to actually do a OW100F?
No you can't.
The only way is to redeem miles for F awards if you want to be in F.
...Also for FRA-MAD (I think LAN has F on their A340, right?)...
Not any longer, they've transitioned their whole long haul fleet to a highly regarded 2-class configuration. Premium Business is what they're calling the front of the plane now.
How many AA miles, or what OW category(Distance Zone) would the following itinerary in J. This is for a OW award:
OW award itinerary:
DAY-DFW-LAX on AA - overnight in LAX
LAX-MEL on QF26 overnight in MEL
MEL-HBA on QF overnight in HBA
Openjaw
DRW-CNS on QF overnight in CNS
CNS-SYD on QF overnight in SYD
SYD-HKG on CX overnight in HKG
HKG-LAX on CX overnight in LAX
LAX-DFW-DAY on AA
Is the above itinerary eligible and legal for a OW award ticket, and if booked J, how many AA miles would this cost me, or what OW Distance Zone would this fall under?
Using Great Circle Mapper, I am coming up with 28,577 miles, which would put me in Distance Zone 8, and cost me 190,000 AA miles. Is this correct, if not, please explain how miles are calculated. Thank you.
Miles are calculated between each take-off and each landing, except for the land segment which the distance does not count but the segment counted in the 16 segments allowed.
Whatever mileage you get from Great Circle Mapper, would put you in the corresponding zone of OW award chart.
Miles are calculated between each take-off and each landing, except for the land segment which the distance does not count but the segment counted in the 16 segments allowed.
Whatever mileage you get from Great Circle Mapper, would put you in the corresponding zone of OW award chart.
Happy, thanks for your reply. I appreciate your help, but I am still confused, and unclear on how I would calculate my itinerary, and which Distance Zone I would qualify. I understand the "Miles are calculated between each take-off and each landing," but I am unclear on the "except for the land segment which the distance does not count but the segment counted in the 16 segments allowed ," and how this affects my itinerary. Can you elaborate? Maybe give me an example? Thanks.
Happy, thanks for your reply. I appreciate your help, but I am still confused, and unclear on how I would calculate my itinerary, and which Distance Zone I would qualify. I understand the "Miles are calculated between each take-off and each landing," but I am unclear on the "except for the land segment which the distance does not count but the segment counted in the 16 segments allowed ," and how this affects my itinerary. Can you elaborate? Maybe give me an example? Thanks.
For e.g., if you go JFK-LHR go by land to CDG and then fly to PRG, your distance flow is:
JFK-LHR 3451
CDG-PRG 531
Total 3983
Number of segments
JFK-LHR
LHR-CDG
CDG-PRG
Total 3
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How many AA miles, or what OW category(Distance Zone) would the following itinerary in J. This is for a OW award:
OW award itinerary:
DAY-DFW-LAX on AA - overnight in LAX
LAX-MEL on QF26 overnight in MEL
MEL-HBA on QF overnight in HBA
Openjaw
DRW-CNS on QF overnight in CNS
CNS-SYD on QF overnight in SYD
SYD-HKG on CX overnight in HKG
HKG-LAX on CX overnight in LAX
LAX-DFW-DAY on AA
Is the above itinerary eligible and legal for a OW award ticket, and if booked J, how many AA miles would this cost me, or what OW Distance Zone would this fall under?
Using Great Circle Mapper, I am coming up with 28,577 miles, which would put me in Distance Zone 8, and cost me 190,000 AA miles. Is this correct, if not, please explain how miles are calculated. Thank you.
swdke, if your calculations are correct, then you would be redeeming for an award that allows between 25,000 and 35,000 flown miles. That being the case, bear in mind that if you return to a nearby airport other than DAY (say, CMH or CVG) you could continue your oneworld award trip weeks or months later out of that other airport, and probably squeeze in an additional trip to Florida, the Caribbean, Northern California, etc., as long as you ended the extended trip in DAY and did not connect again in either DFW (and possibly LAX, depending on whether your "overnights" in LAX count as two connections, or one connection and one stopover). Just one more thing to consider.
How many AA miles, or what OW category(Distance Zone) would the following itinerary in J. This is for a OW award:
OW award itinerary:
DAY-DFW-LAX on AA - overnight in LAX
LAX-MEL on QF26 overnight in MEL
MEL-HBA on QF overnight in HBA
Openjaw
DRW-CNS on QF overnight in CNS
CNS-SYD on QF overnight in SYD
SYD-HKG on CX overnight in HKG
HKG-LAX on CX overnight in LAX
LAX-DFW-DAY on AA
Is the above itinerary eligible and legal for a OW award ticket, and if booked J, how many AA miles would this cost me, or what OW Distance Zone would this fall under?
Using Great Circle Mapper, I am coming up with 28,577 miles, which would put me in Distance Zone 8, and cost me 190,000 AA miles. Is this correct, if not, please explain how miles are calculated. Thank you.
It appears that you have two stopovers in LAX which is not allowed. Is one of the overnights in LAX caused by connection - last flight in LAX and first flight out the next day?
How many AA miles, or what OW category(Distance Zone) would the following itinerary in J. This is for a OW award:
OW award itinerary:
DAY-DFW-LAX on AA - overnight in LAX
LAX-MEL on QF26 overnight in MEL
MEL-HBA on QF overnight in HBA
Openjaw
DRW-CNS on QF overnight in CNS
CNS-SYD on QF overnight in SYD
SYD-HKG on CX overnight in HKG
HKG-LAX on CX overnight in LAX
LAX-DFW-DAY on AA
Is the above itinerary eligible and legal for a OW award ticket, and if booked J, how many AA miles would this cost me, or what OW Distance Zone would this fall under?
Using Great Circle Mapper, I am coming up with 28,577 miles, which would put me in Distance Zone 8, and cost me 190,000 AA miles. Is this correct, if not, please explain how miles are calculated. Thank you.
It's more like 26,000 or so. HBA-DRW does not count toward the total mileage since it is a land segment. It does count as one of your 16 allowed total segments. Zone 8 is valid up to 35,000 miles, so you might wish to add some travel, as noted above, or delete some to get below 25001 and hit Zone 7 instead. Also make sure your QF flights are on Qantas or a QF oneworld affiliate (most notably, that means no JetStar).
You will need to reroute the return home, or take an earlier connection at LAX, since you cannot overnight twice in LAX (technically you could, if one of them was last-in first out and so could count as a connection, but your desired flights don't work out for that). HKG-SFO, SFO-DFW-DAY would work, or HKG-YVR, YVR-DFW-DAY.
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), 80,000 AA miles.
