one way award ticket advice ("free" stopover)
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one way award ticket advice ("free" stopover)
hello folks,
I am looking to get a OW from cph (or mxp) to sea, I can find the award available around the dates I want and with the fees it comes at around $50 on AA and $80 on UA. OW from europe to the US are quite expensive and since I don't know when I will return to europe I though to get a OW with my miles.
I will be based in SEA for a few years so I am trying to decide what's the best choice with the perspective of flying to australia/south america from SEA in the future with award miles. Also with AA it's possible to book one way to europe/south america off peak for only 20k, so it seems somewhat of a waste to use 30k on peak with AA.
Is there any way I can tack on a free one way to a OW with a stop over in my home airport? such as cph-sea-somewhere in a few months?
thanks
I am looking to get a OW from cph (or mxp) to sea, I can find the award available around the dates I want and with the fees it comes at around $50 on AA and $80 on UA. OW from europe to the US are quite expensive and since I don't know when I will return to europe I though to get a OW with my miles.
I will be based in SEA for a few years so I am trying to decide what's the best choice with the perspective of flying to australia/south america from SEA in the future with award miles. Also with AA it's possible to book one way to europe/south america off peak for only 20k, so it seems somewhat of a waste to use 30k on peak with AA.
Is there any way I can tack on a free one way to a OW with a stop over in my home airport? such as cph-sea-somewhere in a few months?
thanks
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Are you asking whether you can use Seattle as a stopover point as part of an award from Europe to another region? Sorry to be dense but I just want to be sure I understand your specific question... Also, when you say OW what do you mean? I'm a bit thrown off by the statement "tack on a free one way to a OW"...
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Are you asking whether you can use Seattle as a stopover point as part of an award from Europe to another region? Sorry to be dense but I just want to be sure I understand your specific question... Also, when you say OW what do you mean? I'm a bit thrown off by the statement "tack on a free one way to a OW"...
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Yes, it's allowed for no extra mileage, as long as SEA (your stopover point) is your point of entry into North America. So CPH-LHR-SEA / SEA-HNL is allowed as a single award, but CPH-JFK-SEA / SEA-HNL is not.
The "free one way" must be within North America. South America would require an additional award.
The "free one way" must be within North America. South America would require an additional award.
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and of course
flying LHR-SEA means BA whcih would tack on $400(?) in fuel surcharges, which could still be worth it if continuing onto hawaii (alaska flies non-stop from seattle), but just barely.
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OP - you'd asked this question before and I gave you the same answer as other folks have given you above. The YQ (fuel surcharges) on BA are going to make this very painful. The only thing that might dull that pain is if you're flying in Business or First as your free one-way would then also be in Domestic First.
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Your putative plans are expensive because you are planning to use SEA as your port of entry (POE - for departure or entry to the USA) and likely using British Airways to and from Europe - and BA has high YQ fees.
Back to the drawing board, please - you connect and use LAX as a POE, for example, and other oneworld airlines (such as AA) and have it work out for considerably less money.
Please be aware - cross-posting on FlyerTalk is prohibited, which is why your similar thread in the UAMP Forum has been closed by my colleague.
Back to the drawing board, please - you connect and use LAX as a POE, for example, and other oneworld airlines (such as AA) and have it work out for considerably less money.
Please be aware - cross-posting on FlyerTalk is prohibited, which is why your similar thread in the UAMP Forum has been closed by my colleague.
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Your putative plans are expensive because you are planning to use SEA as your port of entry (POE - for departure or entry to the USA) and likely using British Airways to and from Europe - and BA has high YQ fees.
Back to the drawing board, please - you connect and use LAX as a POE, for example, and other oneworld airlines (such as AA) and have it work out for considerably less money.
Please be aware - cross-posting on FlyerTalk is prohibited, which is why your similar thread in the UAMP Forum has been closed by my colleague.
Back to the drawing board, please - you connect and use LAX as a POE, for example, and other oneworld airlines (such as AA) and have it work out for considerably less money.
Please be aware - cross-posting on FlyerTalk is prohibited, which is why your similar thread in the UAMP Forum has been closed by my colleague.
I am not sure why but I the single one-way award are available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX, does anybody know why?
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I didn't mean to cross post because I wanted people opinion about using AA miles for future uses based in SEA. I am not sure why everybody is mentioning BA because the options I see go through Germany, so the fees are minimal.
I am not sure why but I the single one-way award are available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX, does anybody know why?
I am not sure why but I the single one-way award are available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX, does anybody know why?
http://milevalue.com/a-list-of-all-p...vantage-miles/
CPH - SEA - LAX will use Star Alliance miles and UA is not as generous as AA when it comes to free one-ways as UA only allows that on a roundtrip purchase while AA allows it on each one way.
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If an option is via Germany, and it's AA or AB, it's not Seattle that's your POE into / out of the USA. And that is the issue - BA has significant charges for award flights using AA miles, and one can only make a USA stopover at the POE on arrival or departure. E.g. AA from Germany means departing FRA or DUS, to DFW or ORD - those are your POEs. AB currently flys to JFK, LAX, MIA, RSW and SFO, iirc - those would be your POEs with AB.
Using the oneworld interactive route map / schedule here, there is one international oneworld route to / from Seattle, and that is BA flying SEA-LHR.
Using the oneworld interactive route map / schedule here, there is one international oneworld route to / from Seattle, and that is BA flying SEA-LHR.
I didn't mean to cross post because I wanted people opinion about using AA miles for future uses based in SEA. I am not sure why everybody is mentioning BA because the options I see go through Germany, so the fees are minimal.
I am not sure why but I the single one-way award are available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX, does anybody know why?
I am not sure why but I the single one-way award are available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX, does anybody know why?
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I gotcha guys. I have been able to tack on a one way to HNL or SJU but I have to stop in LAX and so I would have to buy a separate LAX-SEA and HNL-SEA. The fee is about $100 for the CPH-LAX-HNL. I am thinking about if it's worth it.
Does anybody know why single one way award is available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX. That's strange, this is on AA.
Does anybody know why single one way award is available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX. That's strange, this is on AA.
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Maybe because when you search just CPH-SEA you are probably given a connecting itinerary not a non-stop (don't believe AA or it's partners have non-stops on this route). If there was a non-stop flight into SEA from CPH then you could get another free segment in North America.
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I gotcha guys. I have been able to tack on a one way to HNL or SJU but I have to stop in LAX and so I would have to buy a separate LAX-SEA and HNL-SEA. The fee is about $100 for the CPH-LAX-HNL. I am thinking about if it's worth it.
Does anybody know why single one way award is available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX. That's strange, this is on AA.
Does anybody know why single one way award is available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX. That's strange, this is on AA.
On your question on availability, it's due to the difference in applicable routing rules. For more detail and questions on that subject there is a whole thread in this forum on that. It's readily searchable, and usually on page 1 or page 2.
Also don't forget with the LAX stoppover, you'd also need to factor in a SEA-LAX flight, in addition to LAX-SEA and HNL-SEA.
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I gotcha guys. I have been able to tack on a one way to HNL or SJU but I have to stop in LAX and so I would have to buy a separate LAX-SEA and HNL-SEA. The fee is about $100 for the CPH-LAX-HNL. I am thinking about if it's worth it.
Does anybody know why single one way award is available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX. That's strange, this is on AA.
Does anybody know why single one way award is available from CPH-SEA and SEA-HNL but if I do CPH-SEA-HNL with a stopover in SEA it doesn't give me any availability. Not even with a CPH-SEA-LAX. That's strange, this is on AA.
Here is an example. I wanted to fly HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR. The only availability on the HNL-LAX portion was on Hawaiin Airlines. Since they do not have a fare HNL-LHR, I could not use HA. An all AA routing was OK. And I could fly HNL-LAX-JFK with HA and AA, but not to LHR.
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Here is an example. I wanted to fly HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR. The only availability on the HNL-LAX portion was on Hawaiin Airlines. Since they do not have a fare HNL-LHR, I could not use HA. An all AA routing was OK. And I could fly HNL-LAX-JFK with HA and AA, but not to LHR.
I hope this fare rule basis will be scrapped with the merger. That would probably be the only good thing in my book.