The range increases when a longer range version is employed. As to number of 777s, I don't think that'll change; my understanding is that some 772s are being swapped for 77Ws on the South America and LHR routes.
The range increases when a longer range version is employed. As to number of 777s, I don't think that'll change; my understanding is that some 772s are being swapped for 77Ws on the South America and LHR routes.
AA ordered additional 777's which are due in for 2013. The increased size comes with increased range and I was indeed referring to the 772 to 77W swap. I guess AA wanted the added capacity but the additional range will be useless on the JFK to LHR route unless of course the added range does better with tailwind conditions or something.
AA has had the most 777s at JFK airport for the past decade. No other airline flies as many daily 777s from JFK as does AA.
So far, AA has not dropped many hints about where the freed-up 772s will fly as the 14 77Ws are delivered over the next 18 months.
The 77W's additional range is a mere 200nm, and is not the reason AA is acquiring them. As for JFK-LHR, the 77Ws represent more capacity (substantially more seats).
AA has had the most 777s at JFK airport for the past decade. No other airline flies as many daily 777s from JFK as does AA.
So far, AA has not dropped many hints about where the freed-up 772s will fly as the 14 77Ws are delivered over the next 18 months.
The 77W's additional range is a mere 200nm, and is not the reason AA is acquiring them. As for JFK-LHR, the 77Ws represent more capacity (substantially more seats).
Delta runs 747-400 on some routes which has more capacity I would assume but also smaller long range 767 on the JFK to LHR route for instance.
The 777's are excellent planes and the AA interiors are nice. The additional 777 orders which AA announced, I didn't think AA would actually be expanding capacity when other carriers were cutting back routes but it looks like for international AA is staying strong. Just hope the emergence from bankruptcy comes soon. It has been in bankruptcy for awhile now although it has been acquiring nice jets which it will have for 2013.
On the JFK to LHR route, competition is intense with lots of different equipment that will be flying the route from multiple carriers.
Delta runs 747-400 on some routes which has more capacity I would assume but also smaller long range 767 on the JFK to LHR route for instance.
DL doesn't fly many 744's out of JFK, and those that I ever see there are going to Asia. Step over to NRT (or even HNL some days) and it's crawling with DL 744's.
While O/D traffic on JFK-LHR is oneworld's bread and butter, LHR is an important European gateway for AA (whereas DL has a more substantial nonstop TATL route network to non-ST hubs).
The only routes DL flies a 744 out of JFK are TLV & NRT.
American Flies 777 out of JFK to
5x LHR I can't recall.
2x GRU
1x HND
1x EZE
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AA has had the most 777s at JFK airport for the past decade. No other airline flies as many daily 777s from JFK as does AA.
So far, AA has not dropped many hints about where the freed-up 772s will fly as the 14 77Ws are delivered over the next 18 months.
The 77W's additional range is a mere 200nm, and is not the reason AA is acquiring them. As for JFK-LHR, the 77Ws represent more capacity (substantially more seats).
Delta runs 747-400 on some routes which has more capacity I would assume but also smaller long range 767 on the JFK to LHR route for instance.
The 777's are excellent planes and the AA interiors are nice. The additional 777 orders which AA announced, I didn't think AA would actually be expanding capacity when other carriers were cutting back routes but it looks like for international AA is staying strong. Just hope the emergence from bankruptcy comes soon. It has been in bankruptcy for awhile now although it has been acquiring nice jets which it will have for 2013.
On the JFK to LHR route, competition is intense with lots of different equipment that will be flying the route from multiple carriers.
DL doesn't fly many 744's out of JFK, and those that I ever see there are going to Asia. Step over to NRT (or even HNL some days) and it's crawling with DL 744's.
While O/D traffic on JFK-LHR is oneworld's bread and butter, LHR is an important European gateway for AA (whereas DL has a more substantial nonstop TATL route network to non-ST hubs).
It is interesting in that the JFK to LHR route is experiencing larger planes coming in from the vast majority of carriers over the next few years which are adding seat capacity. I didn't realize the route was that heavily traveled.
The only routes DL flies a 744 out of JFK are TLV & NRT.
American Flies 777 out of JFK to
5x LHR I can't recall.
2x GRU
1x HND
1x EZE
Checking flightstats.com, you seem to be right. At the moment, the #2 777 operator at JFK appears to be CX with four a day; #3 appears to be a tie between NH and AF with two each. DL has zero 777s at JFK now, and BA has only one...
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So far, AA has not dropped many hints about where the freed-up 772s will fly as the 14 77Ws are delivered over the next 18 months.
Some will go to fly the new DFW-ICN route starting in May. I'm guessing they will use some others to put aside for the cabin refitting (772 F removal).
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Some will go to fly the new DFW-ICN route starting in May. I'm guessing they will use some others to put aside for the cabin refitting (772 F removal).
ICN will require about 1.5 airframes and those are freed up with the cancellation of JFK-NRT.
I don't know what you mean by "put aside for the cabin refitting" as that does not begin until sometime in 2014 and it will not take the planes out of service for any substantial amount of time.
The 14 new 77Ws (14 announced so far, could end up being 16) or the 772s they free up would support 9 or 10 new long-haul flights. Like I said, AA has not dropped many hints. I would think that most would agree that one flight to Korea isn't "many."
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ICN will require about 1.5 airframes and those are freed up with the cancellation of JFK-NRT.
I don't know what you mean by "put aside for the cabin refitting" as that does not begin until sometime in 2014 and it will not take the planes out of service for any substantial amount of time.
The 14 new 77Ws (14 announced so far, could end up being 16) or the 772s they free up would support 9 or 10 new long-haul flights. Like I said, AA has not dropped many hints. I would think that most would agree that one flight to Korea isn't "many."
But those have been freed for months now and we are 6 months out from ICN starting. Maybe use the 772s to replace some of the 767s on some routes and open new routes with the 767?
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