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Old Jan 15, 12, 2:52 pm   #1
 
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SO Mad at AAdvantageE-Shopping / ADT / AAdvantage Customer Service!

OK, here's the story:
Last April (2011) I was on the AAdvantage EShopping web site and noticed that ADT had an offer: 8,000 miles for signing up for a new security monitoring service contract. We were in the market, so I decided to take the offer. I made sure I was logged in and clicked the red "Shop Now" button.

The page the portal took me to had a contact form and also a banner that said, "Fill out this form OR call our toll-free number" so I did BOTH. When I called the toll-free number, I said that I had filled out the form as well, and they said, "Perfect. When they call you back, give them this number so they link that form to this account." I repeatedly confirmed with the ADT CSR that this was the AAdvantage offer, made sure she had my frequent flyer number, and scheduled setup of the service.

When they called to follow up on the form I'd filled out, I followed the instructions of the previous CSR and the person on the phone said, "Yep, I see it right here." I asked if she saw my frequent flyer number and she said she did, and that I would received my miles for the offer.

When they called to confirm the service appointment, I again confirmed that this was the AA frequent flyer mile offer and made sure they had my AA number.

When they came to install the service, I made the installer write my AA number on the order form and he said he would talk with the person in his company and make sure I received the miles.

By August, I still hadn't received the 8,000 miles, so I contacted AAdvantage and they directed me to the (really annoying and impersonal) online form for AAdvantage Eshopping. It took a month of back and forth e-mails with them to find out and send the exact information they needed, and then they had to do research on the matter.

I didn't receive an e-mail back from them until November, when they said, "Your transaction was not made through the proper AAdvantage eShopping channel."

No explanation, no nothing. Just that.

I called AAdvantage Customer Service and was told that all they could see in the notes on my account was that I didn't make my purchase properly, and maybe I didn't click right to get the cookie sent through when I ordered. I explained (repeatedly) that it wasn't an online order like one would make through, say, Barnes & Noble, but that it was a phone call and that I had called the number on the page I arrived on through the AAdvantage Eshopping portal, but the CSR said there was nothing she could do to help, so she passed me to her supervisor.

The supervisor, Bridget, who was extremely helpful, said she understood exactly the kind of offer I was talking about, but that from what she could see in the notes, it was ADT that said I didn't complete the offer properly. She gave me a phone number for the department at ADT that she said deals directly with AA.

I called ADT and talked with a woman named Mia. Mia said that I needed to talk to the billing department.

I called the billing department and was told that I actually needed to talk to the authorized affiliate, SafeStreetsUSA, who installed the system.

I called SafeStreetsUSA and was told that I had to talk to the authorizer reseller, Security Choice, who sold me the system.

I called Security Choice and spoke with Angie, who said she would absolutely help me. She looked up my account said, "I see your frequent flyer number right here, of course you should've gotten your miles." She said she'd take care of it the next day. She asked me to call her the next day to confirm.

This was in early November, and I explained to Angie that the cut-off date for the Million Miler program was December 1, and I needed to make sure the miles were in my account before the cut-off date. She reassured me that everything would be taken care of.

When I called the next day, Angie wasn't there, so I spoke with her supervisor, Selwyn, who said it would be taken care of.

December 1 came and went, and I had no miles. On December 6, I called Security Choice again and talked with Brian who apologized profoundly for how this had been handled. He said that what no one made clear in the offer was that you had to call Security Choice to get them to take care of your frequent flyer miles- that it wasn't automatic, and he didn't know why Angie hadn't taken care of it, but he would make sure I received the miles.

I explained to Brian that I wanted to make sure he contacted someone in AAdvantage and explained that the miles needed to be backdated because I really had earned them back in April, and he reassured me that he would take care of everything.

It's been over a month and I still haven't received the miles.

I called AAdvantage Customer Service today on an unrelated matter and ended up mentioning it and getting passed to a supervisor, who a) couldn't understand that there are offers on AAdvantageEshopping that aren't online purchases like you'd make at Amazon or Barnes & Noble, b) said that if Eshopping and ADT weren't willing to help me, it wasn't really her problem, and c) said there's nothing ANYONE could do to get the miles backdated anyway.

Now...look. Here's my take:
I've asked AAdvantage Customer Service for help and can't get anything done.

I've asked ADT/Security Choice for help and despite their repeated confirmation that I did complete the offer properly and their promises to take care of things, I can't get anything done.

I followed the rules of the offer and did exactly what I was supposed to do. I average 7-10 Eshopping purchases every month and believe me, I know how to use the portal better than most of the CSRs I've talked to. So I know I did exactly what I was supposed to do.

But now, coming up on a year later, I still don't have those 8,000 miles. And I'm really mad about it- not just about the miles, but about the miles that should've counted toward my Million Miler status (regardless of what you think of the goal), about the inefficiency, the ineffectiveness, and about the fact that someone should be able to fix this.

Here's what I want:
I want the 8,000 miles and I want them backdated so they count toward my Million Miler status because it's the right thing to do. And frankly, I wouldn't mind a few compensatory miles to say, "Gee, we're awfully sorry you spent so much time on the phone arguing with people so you could get something that was rightfully owed to you per the terms of the offer that you completed properly."

But the question is, who the heck can help me? I have no doubt that someone can- someone makes the rules, and that someone should be able to make this right.

Any suggestions about who I can talk to?

Thanks,
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Old Jan 15, 12, 3:40 pm   #2
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Maybe it's time to take it to :gasp: snailmail?

Check the thread AA contacts for complaint / complaints information (consolidated) for some possibly useful information.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 3:56 pm   #3
 
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I'm sorry you are having problems.

The main culprit here is a company called CARTERA, they handle all of the shopping portals of many airlines and other companies. Do a search in FT under CARTERA, and you will see numerous post regarding their practice. Many have commented the length of time it takes to get miles credited. I will send an email to usersupport@cartera.com. I would send an email along the lines like:

I signed for ADT service in April 2011 and completed the registration process form in order to qualify for 8000 AA miles in accord with the requirements on your site at the time. I'm a current ADT customer, give them the order # and maybe acct #, but the 8000 miles did not show up on my AAdvantage account nor is their any record of my transaction on your site that I can locate. Please send my 8000 miles to AA AAdvantage as advertised on your site. Thank you.

I've had my share of issues in the past with shopping portals that I no longer use them. My wife, on the other hand uses them. Just last week she receive AA miles credit for a March 2011 Itunes purchase.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 4:24 pm   #4
 
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I have a similar experience. I made a sears.com purchase for $1500 in August during the 10 mi/$ promotion. After complaining almost weekly I finally got my 15,000 miles... The purchase is dated last week.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 4:32 pm   #5
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Use the Contact Us on the eShopping site and fill in your complaint as suggested by the other poster.

If you are lucky, you may get a response in a few weeks, to your email inbox and address you as "American Escalation"

I had to follow up with them for 3 months to get one resolved. I gave up on other smallish purchases that made on these airlines / hotels shopping portals which, you guess, are all run by Cartera, which also seems to be extremely understaffed.

Yes, it is the company Cartera that handles many of these e-Shopping portals these days and they are truly screwed up things badly (you ought to see that humongous mess that UA and Cartera have created on UA's FUBR promo Months of Miles last year that is dubbed Months of Misery with a long running thread in the UA forum.)

Some merchants are also notoriously in delaying or not posting at all the transactions, Sears and Home Depot are among some of those. If the merchants do not report the transactions, Cartera would also have difficulty to track those transactions down - it seems to be a very manual, labor-intensive process based on the very frustrating experiences from the UA mucked up promotion.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 5:44 pm   #6
 
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Good luck with this. I signed up with ADT in March, confirmed the code showed for 8000 AAdvantage miles with phone rep. Yes, he saw my AA number online. Sent email to AAdvantage Shopping in July as they did not post, got reply in Aug that they are investigating and will respond in 2-4 weeks. I have sent follow up requests to both AAdvantage Shopping, opened a new issue request with them and have copied ADT Customer Service. No response to 4 requests to AAdvantge and 3 to ADT requesting the 8000 miles. I'm beginning to believe this is a fraudulent offer. Has anyone had any success in actually getting the miles posted? Like GEO Girl I was planning to use these towards lifetime status.
Pretty bad that a "security firm" participates with a vendor of such questionable business practices. Perhaps when I cancel my contract at the end of the year ADT will figure out how to post the miles??
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Old Jan 15, 12, 5:57 pm   #7
 
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OK, I've e-mailed Cartera. Contacting AAdvantage Eshopping resulted in nothing at all. I could try it again, I suppose.

Seriously, though, when I had a problem with British Airways, someone posted the address and phone number for the CEO, Willie something-or-other. And several years ago, when I had a problem with AA, I was able to call some "higher-up's" office and get results. I just don't know who it was I called. :S


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Old Jan 15, 12, 6:05 pm   #8
 
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There's tons of material about this in the forum already. Many, if not most of us who foolishly signed up for the AA card and AAdvantage Shopping have gotten the runaround from merchants/AA/Cartera when trying to get the miles we were promised.

Fact is, no one cares. They have your money and that's the end of the story really. What have they to lose by stonewalling you and/or giving you the runaround? I've had about a 75% success rate now, by fighting tooth-and-nail, but the time it has required means that these are by far the most expensive FF miles I've ever managed to obtain.

After my current war (Discount Tire) I'm giving up the card and never shopping at the AAdvantage portal again. It's not remotely worth the trouble.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 6:37 pm   #9
 
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Unfortunately, it was a banner year for Cartera last year, that is in terms of "bait & switch", a complete lack of customer service, and overall non-fullfillment of offers and incentives:

AA Miles for $0.00072 per mile (AA Shopping) - NOT HONORED

2515 miles for registering at sittercity.com via AA eShopping (not honored)

The Cartera Comedy Club

Eshopping miles reclaimed?

Frustrations with eShopping?
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Old Jan 15, 12, 7:11 pm   #10
 
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Ultimately, the best way

to fight and win against this company, Cartera, is to NOT use its services. Once retailer realize that their products are not selling through Cartera, they will stop using them. The hassle you go through to get your miles to post is just not worth at all.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 7:13 pm   #11
 
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I called the billing department and was told that I actually needed to talk to the authorized affiliate, SafeStreetsUSA, who installed the system.

I called SafeStreetsUSA and was told that I had to talk to the authorizer reseller, Security Choice, who sold me the system.
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I had almost this exact problem with DirecTV because it was an authorized affiliate who processed my order & installed my system. I was supposed to get 10,000 miles. My problem was because I live in a condo that I had to use an affliate, which in the end, meant I was not eligible for the miles even though it is not stated anywhere in the terms & conditions. I gave up the fight. I have been a loyal FF member w/American for as long as I can remember and it left a horrible taste in my mouth. They give out tens of thousands of free miles left and right as credit card bonuses, you would think they would want to give out a few thousand to right a wrong and keep a customer happy.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 7:17 pm   #12
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"Cartera" in Spanish / Castilian means "wallet" - and they are after yours.

Aggravating the situation is the nearly comedic setup with ADT, which is a group of franchisees and companies that sell, others install, etc. The Marx brothers could have had a great time with ADT. But the situation is a bit like flying after buying codeshare tickets from an online agent - it enables multiple blame systems with each body tossing the blame to another, the operator, the codeshare airline and the ticket agent of record.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 7:28 pm   #13
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There is an active e-shopping thread still going on this topic.

I have worked very hard to get all the AA-eshopping miles I'm owed and have ended 2011 with only 300 Groupon AA miles missing.

It should be a wonderful way to shop that benefits all concerned....doesn't.

And JDiver, wasn't there a name for a call called 'Cartera'?
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Old Jan 15, 12, 7:57 pm   #14
 
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Gotta love Cartera

Good luck. Persistence sometimes pays off with them and sometimes not.
I don't shop there anymore because they continually do this type of scam.
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Old Jan 15, 12, 8:22 pm   #15
 
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Good luck. Persistence sometimes pays off with them and sometimes not.
I don't shop there anymore because they continually do this type of scam.
Cartera has their tentacles everywhere now--UA,AA,DL,US and Ultimate Rewards. At least Chase is willing to credit you points if they see the transaction on your card.

I doubt Cartera is going to change its business model and I would really like to put them out of business. I used to complain to the airline whenever Cartera scammed me, which was almost always the case with bonus miles promos. I would get the miles but I don't know if they ever gave a second thought about their partnership with Cartera. Maybe a website which details their scams and comes up first in Google search results would have more effect.

Right now, I am only willing to deal with Ultimate Rewards since I just email Chase if I don't see the points. No dealings with Cartera whatsoever.
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